Should we kick more people off welfare?

[Linuld]

Kicking people off welfare isn't enough. All welfare programs should be terminated. They were invented by Bismarck and later promoted by Mussolini. Both fascists looking for supporters. Welfare programs are the greatest inequalities in the world. Nigerians or Ethiopians do not have access to any kind of welfare, and yet they manage to survive. Better than that, their population is growing fast. Sorry to point it out but this proves that the average African is much smarter than the average first world guy on welfare.

Welfare programs are also a strong reason for Africans to immigrate to rich countries, which close their borders very precisely not to let foreigners gain access to welfare. Welfare and borders are the same thing: restrictions to freedom.

Then be prepared to a huge social unrest that will kill the country for sure. You definitely can't take that away.

And every party trying that will be dead instantly.

And yes... Ehtiopians are the big example right? I guess you don't care about all the people that die there because of hunger and missing medicine. I doubt you really want that for your country.

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[countryfree]

Kicking people off welfare isn't enough. All welfare programs should be terminated. They were invented by Bismarck and later promoted by Mussolini. Both fascists looking for supporters. Welfare programs are the greatest inequalities in the world. Nigerians or Ethiopians do not have access to any kind of welfare, and yet they manage to survive. Better than that, their population is growing fast. Sorry to point it out but this proves that the average African is much smarter than the average first world guy on welfare.

Welfare programs are also a strong reason for Africans to immigrate to rich countries, which close their borders very precisely not to let foreigners gain access to welfare. Welfare and borders are the same thing: restrictions to freedom.

Then be prepared to a huge social unrest that will kill the country for sure. You definitely can't take that away.

And every party trying that will be dead instantly.

And yes... Ehtiopians are the big example right? I guess you don't care about all the people that die there because of hunger and missing medicine. I doubt you really want that for your country.

Since I don't have a country (I had one but I left it), I want this for the whole world, and people may want it or not, it's coming. Countries which provide the most generous welfare packages are also the countries with the biggest debts.

[omahapoker]

Welfare benefits are soon becoming the easy way to get out of working, which is wrong. Of course the elderly and completely disabled should get it, however those who claim they 'cannot find a job' should be found a job by the government and forced to do it properly for their pay or sent into military service. There is always a lack of manual labor in almost every country, forcing those who are too lazy to find a job into those spaces will both help the economy and increase the amount of manual labor done.

Where do you life where "is always lack of manual labor"? That is definitely not true. I mean you mean paid labor. Otherwise it would not make sense to take their welfare away and force them to work without them being paid for it then.

No, in my country every work that can be taken is taken already. Even worse, even jobs that only would pay 1/10th of a normal hourly wage has to be taken by force. Otherwise no welfare. In fact it does not help at all.

[omahapoker]

Also, when Kuwait gave every citizen 4000$/month for a year the result was the lowest inflation they knew for several years.

Interesting. I'm a fan of the basic income too. And it seems practically every party already has thought about it and created their own system. It simply can work when done.

I did not know that kuwait did something like that. Why isn't that taken as a model role for what would happen when a basic income would be paid? I mean there should be many things you can learn from that happening. What happened with the work done. Did they work less or more and so on.

[BADecker]

Kicking people off welfare isn't enough. All welfare programs should be terminated. They were invented by Bismarck and later promoted by Mussolini. Both fascists looking for supporters. Welfare programs are the greatest inequalities in the world. Nigerians or Ethiopians do not have access to any kind of welfare, and yet they manage to survive. Better than that, their population is growing fast. Sorry to point it out but this proves that the average African is much smarter than the average first world guy on welfare.

Welfare programs are also a strong reason for Africans to immigrate to rich countries, which close their borders very precisely not to let foreigners gain access to welfare. Welfare and borders are the same thing: restrictions to freedom.

Then be prepared to a huge social unrest that will kill the country for sure. You definitely can't take that away.

And every party trying that will be dead instantly.

And yes... Ehtiopians are the big example right? I guess you don't care about all the people that die there because of hunger and missing medicine. I doubt you really want that for your country.

Since I don't have a country (I had one but I left it), I want this for the whole world, and people may want it or not, it's coming. Countries which provide the most generous welfare packages are also the countries with the biggest debts.

Debt when it is from legal lending institutions (banks) is fake. It is creations of new money. Actually the banks owe the debts to the people. Payments people make in paying off the fake loans are moneys the banks owe back to the people.

[BADecker]

Welfare benefits are soon becoming the easy way to get out of working, which is wrong. Of course the elderly and completely disabled should get it, however those who claim they 'cannot find a job' should be found a job by the government and forced to do it properly for their pay or sent into military service. There is always a lack of manual labor in almost every country, forcing those who are too lazy to find a job into those spaces will both help the economy and increase the amount of manual labor done.

Where do you life where "is always lack of manual labor"? That is definitely not true. I mean you mean paid labor. Otherwise it would not make sense to take their welfare away and force them to work without them being paid for it then.

No, in my country every work that can be taken is taken already. Even worse, even jobs that only would pay 1/10th of a normal hourly wage has to be taken by force. Otherwise no welfare. In fact it does not help at all.

Think about this. Work to live life is rather easy. All people need is land and a little help from their neighbors. We could be living the easy life if there were no taxes, and if the government opened up the unused land to the people.

[BADecker]

Also, when Kuwait gave every citizen 4000$/month for a year the result was the lowest inflation they knew for several years.

Interesting. I'm a fan of the basic income too. And it seems practically every party already has thought about it and created their own system. It simply can work when done.

I did not know that kuwait did something like that. Why isn't that taken as a model role for what would happen when a basic income would be paid? I mean there should be many things you can learn from that happening. What happened with the work done. Did they work less or more and so on.

Kuwait could do this because they enjoined themselves to America through big oil. It was the petrodollar that made this work for them.

What's interesting is, this is the same kind of thing the U.S. is trying to make happen in Iraq. It is slowly working. Within the last two weeks, a USDollar is worth about 1145 Iraqi Dinars. Previously it took 1160 to 1190 Dinars to buy a Dollar. This doesn't really predict anything. But it is a trend that might continue... the Dollar dropping in value against the Iraqi Dinar.

This is what happened in Kuwait in the mid '90s. But it happened a lot faster in Kuwait back then than it is happening for Iraq now.

[Swordsoffreedom]

First of all before I begin this post I would like to explain my financial situation. I live in a social assistance building in downtown Vancouver and I collect $541 from the provincial government after paying rent. I filed my taxes and I get a $100 GST cheque from the government every two months. I am currently saving up money to service my Windows laptop and get my projects off that laptop.

A lot of people who live in my building spend their disability cheques on drugs and alcohol. The residents get quite irritable and angry when free lunches are canceled. They push themselves ahead in line when asking for meds, and do a poor job keeping the building secure. Drug dealers roam the building selling drugs to residents because the dealers friend who lives here buzzed them in.

I just think that it's public money not being sufficiently spent. I am one of only 5 people on welfare who work in my building or have any kind of job skills whatsoever. That being said, bitcoin is not hardcore computer science, they could at least buy a cheap netbook and earn from Bitcoinget and other sites to go buy themselves lunch. I suppose begging other people to feed them just sounds easier than planning and working.

It's a tough call, while there are certainly individuals who have good intents and want to establish a better life for themselves and deserve social assistance just as often there are those who abuse the free government aid to further get themselves wasted on the taxpayers dollar with no respect for money or willingness to take responsibility (Scum)

Social assistance is a good tool to help people get out of tough situations if they deserve it but just as equally it can be exploited which is why its concerning when new immigrants get a job quit or claim injury to their knee when the work is to hard for them then decide to just get government payments by switching between doctors, or saying it was the government that brought them to the country and that they should give them money for doing that. (Sickens me sometimes that sense of self-entitlement when they sure as heck haven't got off their lazy buts to do anything about it)

If they don't want to get off the bootstraps do some hard work and participate in making the country better then I would prefer they send them back, but just as equally those who are down on their ropes and serious about getting back up deserve that safety net.

In summary it depends on how it is used and who uses it just as much as anything else.

[bryant.coleman]

Kuwait could do this because they enjoined themselves to America through big oil. It was the petrodollar that made this work for them.

That was an one-time measure (which has been revoked long back) by the Kuwaiti government. Kuwait used to receive a huge amount of money (they are still receiving some of it), in the form of repatriations from Iraq. The government decided to handout a part of it to their citizens, as a form of  compensation for their suffering during the 1990 Iraqi invasion of Kuwait.