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November 26, 2015, 04:09:09 PM
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No they aren't. Checks are ran electronically these days my friend. The process is no different than a check card. If the funds are not there, they know it instantly.

So? Checks can be forged, stolen, washed, etc. They're extremely unreliable.

Best Buy doesn't accept personal checks, almost no one does anymore. How old are you anyway, grandpa? lol

Walmart still does. They take the check from you, put it through some scanner thingy which spits it back out in ~1 second, then the teller hands the check back to you along with the receipt. The entire process takes ~5 seconds. 10 seconds if the teller has an attitude. 15 seconds if the teller is a space cadet. 20 seconds if the teller is also a manger.

That's not really a check Bruno. The scanner thingy reads the account number and instantly electronically debits your account. If you don't have money in the account the scan fails.

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November 26, 2015, 08:24:58 PM
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Best Buy doesn't accept personal checks, almost no one does anymore. How old are you anyway, grandpa? lol

Old and very wise to the ways of the world.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/help-topics/payment-options/pcmcat203400050003.c?id=pcmcat203400050003
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November 26, 2015, 08:37:35 PM
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Best Buy doesn't accept personal checks, almost no one does anymore. How old are you anyway, grandpa? lol

Old and very wise to the ways of the world.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/help-topics/payment-options/pcmcat203400050003.c?id=pcmcat203400050003
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  • Personal checks, business checks, traveler's checks, cashier's checks


Dude, you must be a dinosaur. First, travelers checks and cashiers checks are just other forms of cash. Business checks and personal checks are verified with banking register systems that make them no different than debit cards today. The old days way back when is over. They're not taking checks like you imagine from your youth where, as you put it, "checks can be forged, stolen and washed". That's almost impossible today with electronic verification. Almost no one except the smallest businesses take checks without verification. See Bruno's example above. What do you suppose that thingy is doing with the paper you hand them. lol

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November 28, 2015, 10:14:38 AM
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how many years will BFL executives spend in prison? Zero

If Sonny, at least, doesn't go back in the slammer for his shenanigans while at Butterfly Labs, then the entire legal system will have failed us IMO. (get ready to be disappointed)

A lot more of the BFL staff deserve prison time, but my gut is telling me this settlement is going to be totally softball with the Butterfly Labs management getting away without penalties. (our guts are in agreement)

I would love to be wrong and have the opportunity to send some post-cards to Josh Zerlan in jail. (more likely he'll be sending us postcards from Aruba I'm afraid :/)
I keep all my useless BFL hardware in plain site as a constant reminder to never spend BTC on asic pre-orders.

The industry will never support preorders again, I hope my work over the last 2 years has contributed to that.

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November 28, 2015, 12:45:42 PM
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how many years will BFL executives spend in prison? Zero

If Sonny, at least, doesn't go back in the slammer for his shenanigans while at Butterfly Labs, then the entire legal system will have failed us IMO. (get ready to be disappointed)

A lot more of the BFL staff deserve prison time, but my gut is telling me this settlement is going to be totally softball with the Butterfly Labs management getting away without penalties. (our guts are in agreement)

I would love to be wrong and have the opportunity to send some post-cards to Josh Zerlan in jail. (more likely he'll be sending us postcards from Aruba I'm afraid :/)
I keep all my useless BFL hardware in plain site as a constant reminder to never spend BTC on asic pre-orders.

The industry will never support preorders again, I hope my work over the last 2 years has contributed to that.


All evidence to the contrary or am I misinformed? I'm thinking Spondoolies Data Halls and such stuff ..still a pre-order racket imho...they are just now getting 'pre-order' newbie IPO money to build data halls first...same shtick imho Smiley

As to any home miners ..they will be like the SFARDS stuff too high priced lots of 100 just to wave the flag on their product so yeah you at least will see the 'prototype working' maybe so not a pre-order but getting one and roi'ing on such as a home miner will be about as likely as finding a unicorn and learning to ride it...possible I suppose but unlikely as a home miner

my 2 satoshi's worth (not that i know zip at one time i was a BFL kool aid drinker Smiley



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November 28, 2015, 11:16:06 PM
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That's almost impossible today with electronic verification.

Riiiiight.

http://www.stopcheckfraud.com/statistics.html

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According to the 2013 Federal Reserve Payments Study:
* Checks (consumer and business) were the payment instrument with the highest average value of unauthorized transactions in 2012.

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2015 AFP Payments Fraud and Control Survey findings show:
* Checks remain the payment type most vulnerable to fraud attacks.

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“While the exciting and glamorous fraud topics today involve wire fraud, account takeovers, ID theft, and skimming, the results of the Association for Financial Professionals’ annual corporate fraud survey remind us that the most fraud vulnerable instrument available today is the paper check.”


http://www.relyco.com/blog/laser-check-printing/check-fraud-statistics-techniques-know/

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* The FBI estimates that losses from check fraud total $18.7 billion annually.


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November 29, 2015, 01:51:00 AM
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Goodbye, BFL.  Cry Cry Cry No more mention on the premise's signage.  Cry Cry Cry No more bitcoin mining burn-in trailer where Bruce Peterson used to steal bitcoins.  Cry Cry Cry Sonny Vleisides best be able to show gainful employment to his probation officer, Courtney, otherwise he'll be back in the slammer quicker than when eventually found guilty of thief to the tune of millions of dollars via the now defunct Butterfly Labs, among other charges. HAHAHA
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November 29, 2015, 02:15:55 AM
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Goodbye, BFL.  Cry Cry Cry No more mention on the premise's signage.  Cry Cry Cry No more bitcoin mining burn-in trailer where Bruce Peterson used to steal bitcoins.  Cry Cry Cry Sonny Vleisides best be able to show gainful employment to his probation officer, Courtney, otherwise he'll be back in the slammer quicker than when eventually found guilty of thief to the tune of millions of dollars via the now defunct Butterfly Labs, among other charges. HAHAHA

If you find where those guys (don't forget Josh) start working next, let us know.

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November 29, 2015, 02:30:26 AM
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Goodbye, BFL.  Cry Cry Cry No more mention on the premise's signage.  Cry Cry Cry No more bitcoin mining burn-in trailer where Bruce Peterson used to steal bitcoins.  Cry Cry Cry Sonny Vleisides best be able to show gainful employment to his probation officer, Courtney, otherwise he'll be back in the slammer quicker than when eventually found guilty of thief to the tune of millions of dollars via the now defunct Butterfly Labs, among other charges. HAHAHA

If you find where those guys (don't forget Josh) start working next, let us know.


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November 29, 2015, 02:32:07 AM
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That's almost impossible today with electronic verification.

Riiiiight.

http://www.stopcheckfraud.com/statistics.html

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According to the 2013 Federal Reserve Payments Study:
* Checks (consumer and business) were the payment instrument with the highest average value of unauthorized transactions in 2012.

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2015 AFP Payments Fraud and Control Survey findings show:
* Checks remain the payment type most vulnerable to fraud attacks.

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“While the exciting and glamorous fraud topics today involve wire fraud, account takeovers, ID theft, and skimming, the results of the Association for Financial Professionals’ annual corporate fraud survey remind us that the most fraud vulnerable instrument available today is the paper check.”


http://www.relyco.com/blog/laser-check-printing/check-fraud-statistics-techniques-know/

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* The FBI estimates that losses from check fraud total $18.7 billion annually.



Sure, if the business is small and stupid. Large businesses use telecheck. That's the machine Best Buy and Walmart run your check through. The link you provided is selling a service. I'm not sure how much of their info I believe.

"The TeleCheck Electronic Check Acceptance® (ECA®) service converts a paper check into an electronic item at the point of sale. The ECA service allows retailers to accept checks as quickly, safely and easily as they accept credit cards.


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November 29, 2015, 03:15:05 AM
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retailers accept checks



You finally get it, lol.




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November 29, 2015, 06:36:21 AM
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Goodbye, BFL.  Cry Cry Cry No more mention on the premise's signage.  Cry Cry Cry No more bitcoin mining burn-in trailer where Bruce Peterson used to steal bitcoins.  Cry Cry Cry Sonny Vleisides best be able to show gainful employment to his probation officer, Courtney, otherwise he'll be back in the slammer quicker than when eventually found guilty of thief to the tune of millions of dollars via the now defunct Butterfly Labs, among other charges. HAHAHA

What a sad tale. Predictably, Josh and his alts post shit about this forum and anything touched by theymos. One story of a miserable shitbag who doesn't deserve a fortune.


I hope bcp19 is taking an interminable hiatus from his beloved bfl kool-aid.
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Goodbye, BFL.  Cry Cry Cry No more mention on the premise's signage.  Cry Cry Cry No more bitcoin mining burn-in trailer where Bruce Peterson used to steal bitcoins.  Cry Cry Cry Sonny Vleisides best be able to show gainful employment to his probation officer, Courtney, otherwise he'll be back in the slammer quicker than when eventually found guilty of thief to the tune of millions of dollars via the now defunct Butterfly Labs, among other charges. HAHAHA

What a sad tale. Predictably, Josh and his alts post shit about this forum and anything touched by theymos. One story of a miserable shitbag who doesn't deserve a fortune.


I hope bcp19 is taking an interminable hiatus from his beloved bfl kool-aid.

Bruce Peterson is gaming in his mother's basement in Nevada, Iowa, and back to milking satoshis off faucets to parlay them on Cryptsy. HAHAHA
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November 30, 2015, 11:20:59 PM
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Sure, if the business is small and stupid. Large businesses use telecheck. That's the machine Best Buy and Walmart run your check through.

Walmart, huh? No check fraud?

http://consumerist.com/2015/08/18/couple-accused-of-pulling-shoulder-surfing-scam-to-cash-400k-in-counterfeit-checks-at-walmart/

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November 30, 2015, 11:39:53 PM
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Sure, if the business is small and stupid. Large businesses use telecheck. That's the machine Best Buy and Walmart run your check through.

Walmart, huh? No check fraud?

http://consumerist.com/2015/08/18/couple-accused-of-pulling-shoulder-surfing-scam-to-cash-400k-in-counterfeit-checks-at-walmart/

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The couple accused of stealing more than $400,000 from Walmart


The duo lifted 900 SSN, in essence conducted no less 1,000 transactions before they were caught. Something doesn't sound right. After the first fraud was committed, Walmart could've easily rewound the tapes and knew who the bad guys were, up to and including the getaway car's tag number. If not on the first attempt, surely by the tenth, but no fuckin' way letting 1,000+ acts of fraud slip by before they were able to catch the team.
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December 01, 2015, 06:46:21 AM
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Am surprised their still allowed to conduct business even after their law suite that closes them down and then gets re opened BFL must paid the high courts off to get that approved. How on earth can get away with orders never deliver on time and sill produce more mining equipment to sell in pre order but now in stock and well out dated on price and speed.

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December 01, 2015, 07:03:06 AM
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If anyone spent any time on BFLs forum you might remember this.

HOW CAN YOU TELL IF BUTTERFLY LABS HAS DRIVEN YOU NUTS....

You have already named your single SCs, Josh and Jody
Your psychologist now understands what a bitcoin is
You have been logged onto butterfly labs for 2 weeks straight.
Your Mailman knows about the “package” and to look out for it so he can deliver to you first
Butterfly labs Forum is now your home page.
Your now on Prozac and Xanax. So you can remain calm and not care how long ASIC release date is
All your credit cards are now maxxed out in hopes to be rich before the coin reward drop
You built your own testnet to see, just how fast it will be….
You check forum in 15 minute intervals…. 7/24
You will call off sick from work the day of delivery because you could not sleep…
You will call off sick from work the day After delivery because your still awake..
You have a special room called “THE CLAIM” just for your mining hardware.
You printed BitCoin cash from BitAddress.org and tried to get the guy from 7-11 to accept it.
You are paranoid your order sheet is put on the bottom of the pile
You have tried every combination for upgrading your 3 jalapenos orders to 1 single SC
Your special App emails you of any new forum posts
You know Hash rate to bitcoin price conversitions in your head
You have asked you psychologist if he will take Bitcoins for your Co Pay
You have run every combination for your preorder hashrate through bitcoin calculator
Your old wristwatch is modifyed to tell bitcoin clock time...
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If anyone spent any time on BFLs forum you might remember this.

HOW CAN YOU TELL IF BUTTERFLY LABS HAS DRIVEN YOU NUTS....

You have already named your single SCs, Josh and Jody
Your psychologist now understands what a bitcoin is
You have been logged onto butterfly labs for 2 weeks straight.
Your Mailman knows about the “package” and to look out for it so he can deliver to you first
Butterfly labs Forum is now your home page.
Your now on Prozac and Xanax. So you can remain calm and not care how long ASIC release date is
All your credit cards are now maxxed out in hopes to be rich before the coin reward drop
You built your own testnet to see, just how fast it will be….
You check forum in 15 minute intervals…. 7/24
You will call off sick from work the day of delivery because you could not sleep…
You will call off sick from work the day After delivery because your still awake..
You have a special room called “THE CLAIM” just for your mining hardware.
You printed BitCoin cash from BitAddress.org and tried to get the guy from 7-11 to accept it.
You are paranoid your order sheet is put on the bottom of the pile
You have tried every combination for upgrading your 3 jalapenos orders to 1 single SC
Your special App emails you of any new forum posts
You know Hash rate to bitcoin price conversitions in your head
You have asked you psychologist if he will take Bitcoins for your Co Pay
You have run every combination for your preorder hashrate through bitcoin calculator
Your old wristwatch is modifyed to tell bitcoin clock time...

You forgot one: "Difficulty will never reach 20 billion. That's totally unrealistic." Guess who said it?
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If anyone spent any time on BFLs forum you might remember this.

HOW CAN YOU TELL IF BUTTERFLY LABS HAS DRIVEN YOU NUTS....

You have already named your single SCs, Josh and Jody
Your psychologist now understands what a bitcoin is
You have been logged onto butterfly labs for 2 weeks straight.
Your Mailman knows about the “package” and to look out for it so he can deliver to you first
Butterfly labs Forum is now your home page.
Your now on Prozac and Xanax. So you can remain calm and not care how long ASIC release date is
All your credit cards are now maxxed out in hopes to be rich before the coin reward drop
You built your own testnet to see, just how fast it will be….
You check forum in 15 minute intervals…. 7/24
You will call off sick from work the day of delivery because you could not sleep…
You will call off sick from work the day After delivery because your still awake..
You have a special room called “THE CLAIM” just for your mining hardware.
You printed BitCoin cash from BitAddress.org and tried to get the guy from 7-11 to accept it.
You are paranoid your order sheet is put on the bottom of the pile
You have tried every combination for upgrading your 3 jalapenos orders to 1 single SC
Your special App emails you of any new forum posts
You know Hash rate to bitcoin price conversitions in your head
You have asked you psychologist if he will take Bitcoins for your Co Pay
You have run every combination for your preorder hashrate through bitcoin calculator
Your old wristwatch is modifyed to tell bitcoin clock time...

You forgot one: "Difficulty will never reach 20 billion. That's totally unrealistic." Guess who said it?

That is a good one. And I wonder who actually said it hmmmmmm king of all BS and announcements of BFL  still BFL make announcements and it is funny to see what their trying so hard to do but no fker wants to know unless its people who are new to the game or you just get ignored.

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Am surprised their still allowed to conduct business even after their law suite that closes them down and then gets re opened BFL must paid the high courts off to get that approved. How on earth can get away with orders never deliver on time and sill produce more mining equipment to sell in pre order but now in stock and well out dated on price and speed.


The protection of the BFL Corporation itself.......they go bankrupt the $$$ lost goes away because of that ....and 'viola' the BFL execs and those involved 'walk' or at least that is what the BFL side is shooting for in court imho

The above is more 'dire' imho in the weakness of consumer protection in this country..many folk around the world were directed to the district attorney of the county BFL was in on non delivery and 'fraud' nothing was done..(they are gonna go and shut down the prime $$$ maker in that county or one of them) went no place

that it took the FTC so long even to act and longer probably to reach any settlement...and likely (imho hope I'm wrong) to let the persons all go and bfl corp take the fall
in bankruptcy

well that and GM hiding and ignition switch problem the lawyers proved against GM of 146 folk I think it was and hid it for 10 years and NO ONE IS GOING TO JAIL ..just a large
fine the Gov't gets of 900 million bucks or some such

the track record of GM and other stuff has not made me very optimistic anyone but the bfl corp will suffer anything

remember the 2007 finacial crisis ..same deal....not one of 15,000 or so Bankers nor associates went to jail (well 1 guy but he felt guilty as hell and volunteered)
again such actions were all under the 'choice' of district attorneys etc in those states and counties and not ONE thought it 'prudent' to do this against the 'moinied bankers'

yeah ..I managed thru dumb luck to get my $$$ back from BFL ..so that is not what keeps me on this forum ..it is to see what happens with FTC suit

.the other eye opener for me was just how 'weak' consumer protection under FTC etc is now....quite frankly was
shocked and still am (color me naive)

anyway at least the site of the 'crime' the BLF mnfg place is 'kaput' (from prev posts pics) hey its something


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