‘Hamas-Israel deal imminent,’ to the dismay of Palestinian factions

[qikager]

Oh I see, that's what explains the fact that Israel supporters in this thread are cheering for truce with Hamas, skeptical as we may be, while self-proclaimed Palestinian advocates are conspicuously quiet at best or spewing venom and hatred at worst. Thanks pal for proving my point.

I was effectively parodying your post.

[rio3232]

He has no idea what he wants, give him a few days to digest what we said all along, Hamas will eventually have to come in terms with Israel - shame on all the lives they sacrificed this far, and Israel isnt about to disappear....

Like others, he probably want Palestinians to remain perpetual victims, for this gives Israel haters the ability to do what they do best - hate Israel. So, peace between Hamas and Israel does not play well with them.

[abasin]

Israel officially denied Monday night that it is conducting direct or indirect negotiations with Hamas on a long-term cease-fire agreement.

“There are no meetings with Hamas,” the prime minister’s bureau said in a statement, adding: “There are no direct contacts, no contacts through other countries and no contacts through intermediaries.”


http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.671642

I thought this smelled. Israel would NEVER negotiate a short term hudna with hamas. It is of zero benefit to themselves and massive benefit to Hamas.

[godlyitems]

Israel officially denied Monday night that it is conducting direct or indirect negotiations with Hamas on a long-term cease-fire agreement.

“There are no meetings with Hamas,” the prime minister’s bureau said in a statement, adding: “There are no direct contacts, no contacts through other countries and no contacts through intermediaries.”


http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.671642

I thought this smelled. Israel would NEVER negotiate a short term hudna with hamas. It is of zero benefit to themselves and massive benefit to Hamas.

These negotiations been there for a while and all along Israel denied it in front of PLO, there have been former denials as well but we still hear of it, so it depends on who you belive.

[rio3232]

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.671642

I thought this smelled. Israel would NEVER negotiate a short term hudna with hamas. It is of zero benefit to themselves and massive benefit to Hamas.

You would desperately hope the peace would not happen... why?

[abasin]

You would desperately hope the peace would not happen... why?

Strawman.

You think that a hudna with Hamas would bring about actual peace?
somebody floated a fairy tale that some wish to believe with all their little hearts is true.

Israel gets bupkiss. Hamas gets the lollipop and Israel gets the stick. doubt there are many Israelis stupid enough to accept such a deal, but every Hamas member would be drooling at the prospect.

[abasin]

These negotiations been there for a while and all along Israel denied it in front of PLO, there have been former denials as well but we still hear of it, so it depends on who you belive.

All along Israel has denied the rumours that continue to persist. I sure as hell don't believe the rumour mill especially since it is being propagate by non-Palestinian Arabic sources.

[rio3232]

Strawman.

You think that a hudna with Hamas would bring about actual peace?
somebody floated a fairy tale that some wish to believe with all their little hearts is true.

Israel gets bupkiss. Hamas gets the lollipop and Israel gets the stick. doubt there are many Israelis stupid enough to accept such a deal, but every Hamas member would be drooling at the prospect.

So... Hamas is drooling at the prospect of peace, but there's not many Israelis who want it?

I've tried to find logic in what you've wrote, but hurt myself

[abasin]

So... Hamas is drooling at the prospect of peace, but there's not many Israelis who want it?

I've tried to find logic in what you've wrote, but hurt myself

amazing. a hudna is not a peace, it is a temporary cease-fire.

But of course you not actually understanding the nature of a hudna thinking it was a peace deal is not surprising.

Hamas would be drooling that embargo restrictions would lifted, and that gazan workers could actually go back to work in Israel, and at what price? A promise not to fire rockets into Israel or dig a tunnel?

They already deny they are shooting rockets into Israel claiming its other groups doing it and they can't police everyone.

[KriszDev]

amazing. a hudna is not a peace, it is a temporary cease-fire.

But of course you not actually understanding the nature of a hudna thinking it was a peace deal is not surprising.

Hamas would be drooling that embargo restrictions would lifted, and that gazan workers could actually go back to work in Israel, and at what price? A promise not to fire rockets into Israel or dig a tunnel?

They already deny they are shooting rockets into Israel claiming its other groups doing it and they can't police everyone.

Your views of the conflict are diametrically opposite to reality. Israel wants peace, Hamas wants the annihilation of Israel. Granted hudna is no peace, it's still 8 years of calm and 8 years of potential cooperation and trust building with Hamas. While peace is impossible now, a long term truce is a giant step in the right direction.

Israel gets more than bupkiss, it gets what it has always been seeking, a chance at peace, it's Hamas who is softening its rhetoric, expectations and demands.

[rio3232]

amazing. a hudna is not a peace, it is a temporary cease-fire.

But of course you not actually understanding the nature of a hudna thinking it was a peace deal is not surprising.

Hamas would be drooling that embargo restrictions would lifted, and that gazan workers could actually go back to work in Israel, and at what price? A promise not to fire rockets into Israel or dig a tunnel?

They already deny they are shooting rockets into Israel claiming its other groups doing it and they can't police everyone.

What KriszDev says in post #50

[abasin]

Your views of the conflict are diametrically opposite to reality. Israel wants peace, Hamas wants the annihilation of Israel. Granted hudna is no peace, it's still 8 years of calm and 8 years of potential cooperation and trust building with Hamas. While peace is impossible now, a long term truce is a giant step in the right direction.

Israel gets more than bupkiss, it gets what it has always been seeking, a chance at peace, it's Hamas who is softening its rhetoric, expectations and demands.

I see no evidence of Hamas "softening" its rhetoric, expectations or demands. Can you substantiate this claim?

Israel gets bupkiss. All of the benefit flows to Hamas and enables it to tighten its grip on Gaza. they can claim they won, and in fact, they would if this was a real deal. Seems the "punching bag" strategy works with many.

the stopping of rockets, is bogus since Hamas already claims they can't control all the "resistance groups" within Gaza. Not that they are raining down on Israel these days, there hasn't been more than 10 since the start of 2015.

But feel free to think this is a legit step towards peace. Its nothing more than a hudna.

[saddampbuh]

israel needs continued violence to justify the occupation. sooner or later some rogue islamic group will launch a firecracker in israels general direction and netanyahu will claim the palestinians broke the cease fire and start another war. what is needed is a comprehensive settlement with palestinians getting full control over their borders and the jews withdrawing from all the territories they illegitimately occupy.this can only happen once the stupid american goyim slaves stop providing them with free weapons and money.