just make a "BitcoinXT" section somewhere on the forum.

[subSTRATA]

just take a glance at the meta section: lots of complaining about censorship, lying, etc. just have a section made for all xt related/fork discussion stuff instead.

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[iCEBREAKER]

NACK

XT already has a thread here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1115016.0

[dukeneptun]

So whenever we see "lots of complaining about censorship, lying etc." do they open a section somewhere on the forum? What if other altcoins do the same? Remember, this is Bitcoin forum.
If they don't like rules here they are free to open bitcoinxttalk.org.

[subSTRATA]

So whenever we see "lots of complaining about censorship, lying etc." do they open a section somewhere on the forum? What if other altcoins do the same? Remember, this is Bitcoin forum.
If they don't like rules here they are free to open bitcoinxttalk.org.

valid point, I'm mostly just putting the idea out there as xt is one of the bigger topics of the present. mostly just an idea to consider.

[shorena]

So whenever we see "lots of complaining about censorship, lying etc." do they open a section somewhere on the forum? What if other altcoins do the same? Remember, this is Bitcoin forum.
If they don't like rules here they are free to open bitcoinxttalk.org.

valid point, I'm mostly just putting the idea out there as xt is one of the bigger topics of the present. mostly just an idea to consider.

It will pass, just like the other big topics. Afterwards we have a subboard that is no longer needed.

[Lauda]

Definitely no. The problem isn't XT nor the forum's policy. It is the users that are constantly opening threads for the same topics in the wrong subsection.
If BitcoinXT deserves a section for itself, doesn't DASH (just used as example, I'm not advocating it) deserve one too? Are you trying to tell me there are more posts about XT than about DASH (currently ~105k)?

To simplify, the main reason for which neither have or are going to have their section is because this is BITCOINtalk, not bitcoinXTtalk, nor DASHtalk.
Update:

Dash is an altcoin, XT isn't.

It is a programmed altcoin. Your point?

What do you think altcoins are?
99% of all altcoins ARE disputed forks of bitcoin.
An altcoin is THE RESULT OF someone creating a fork that only a portion of users decide to mine and use.

Ergo, it is (or will be; whatever suits you) an altcoin.

[eyeknock]

To simplify, the main reason for which neither have or are going to have their section is because this is BITCOINtalk, not bitcoinXTtalk, nor DASHtalk.

exactly!

i will never understand it, even if  there is mods and admins who already write about it, people still asking about it, cmon guys they already sayd that BitcoinXT is just like an alt coin, please dont ask anymore about it!!! they wont change it.

[marcotheminer]

Definitely no. The problem isn't XT nor the forum's policy. It is the users that are constantly opening threads for the same topics in the wrong subsection.
If BitcoinXT deserves a section for itself, doesn't DASH (just used as example, I'm not advocating it) deserve one too? Are you trying to tell me there are more posts about XT than about DASH (currently ~105k)?

To simplify, the main reason for which neither have or are going to have their section is because this is BITCOINtalk, not bitcoinXTtalk, nor DASHtalk.

Dash is an altcoin, XT isn't.

[Muhammed Zakir]

Definitely no. The problem isn't XT nor the forum's policy. It is the users that are constantly opening threads for the same topics in the wrong subsection.
If BitcoinXT deserves a section for itself, doesn't DASH (just used as example, I'm not advocating it) deserve one too? Are you trying to tell me there are more posts about XT than about DASH (currently ~105k)?

To simplify, the main reason for which neither have or are going to have their section is because this is BITCOINtalk, not bitcoinXTtalk, nor DASHtalk.

Dash is an altcoin, XT isn't.

XT is.

[YarkoL]

Technically XT may be an altcoin, but at least
for historical reasons it is in category of it's own.

The mods could dedicate a child board for XT in
the altcoin section, and that might even have
a positive effect and encourage more constructive
dialogue.

I say this as an altcoin dev, who mostly posts
into the altcoin section, and I'm impartial in regard
to the Core/XT dispute.

[dogie]

The mods could dedicate a child board for XT in
the altcoin section, and that might even have
a positive effect and encourage more constructive
dialogue.

The only healthy dialogue regarding XT is that it should die immediately. Nevermind double spends, nevermind "51%s", nevermind transaction malleability, forking is the true threat.

[GermanGiant]

Definitely no. The problem isn't XT nor the forum's policy. It is the users that are constantly opening threads for the same topics in the wrong subsection.
If BitcoinXT deserves a section for itself, doesn't DASH (just used as example, I'm not advocating it) deserve one too? Are you trying to tell me there are more posts about XT than about DASH (currently ~105k)?

To simplify, the main reason for which neither have or are going to have their section is because this is BITCOINtalk, not bitcoinXTtalk, nor DASHtalk.

Dash is an altcoin, XT isn't.

XT is.

Not yet. But, it will be. Right now, XT is just an alternative client. If they can gain 75%+ hash power, they'll allow bigger blocks and then that would be an alt coin.

[dogie]

Definitely no. The problem isn't XT nor the forum's policy. It is the users that are constantly opening threads for the same topics in the wrong subsection.
If BitcoinXT deserves a section for itself, doesn't DASH (just used as example, I'm not advocating it) deserve one too? Are you trying to tell me there are more posts about XT than about DASH (currently ~105k)?

To simplify, the main reason for which neither have or are going to have their section is because this is BITCOINtalk, not bitcoinXTtalk, nor DASHtalk.

Dash is an altcoin, XT isn't.

XT is.

Not yet. But, it will be. Right now, XT is just an alternative coin. If they can gain 75%+ hash power, they'll allow bigger blocks and then that would be an alt coin.

It won't happen, the CN pools won't support anything along the lines of a fork even if it does allow for larger block sizes. Even Bitmain alone can block a fork.

[YarkoL]

The only healthy dialogue regarding XT is that it should die immediately.

Reading this forum is like visiting Middle Ages.

[GermanGiant]

Definitely no. The problem isn't XT nor the forum's policy. It is the users that are constantly opening threads for the same topics in the wrong subsection.
If BitcoinXT deserves a section for itself, doesn't DASH (just used as example, I'm not advocating it) deserve one too? Are you trying to tell me there are more posts about XT than about DASH (currently ~105k)?

To simplify, the main reason for which neither have or are going to have their section is because this is BITCOINtalk, not bitcoinXTtalk, nor DASHtalk.

Dash is an altcoin, XT isn't.

XT is.

Not yet. But, it will be. Right now, XT is just an alternative coin. If they can gain 75%+ hash power, they'll allow bigger blocks and then that would be an alt coin.

It won't happen, the CN pools won't support anything along the lines of a fork even if it does allow for larger block sizes. Even Bitmain alone can block a fork.

I wish they dont. But, did not bitmain sign the letter supporting 8MB block ?

[dogie]

Definitely no. The problem isn't XT nor the forum's policy. It is the users that are constantly opening threads for the same topics in the wrong subsection.
If BitcoinXT deserves a section for itself, doesn't DASH (just used as example, I'm not advocating it) deserve one too? Are you trying to tell me there are more posts about XT than about DASH (currently ~105k)?

To simplify, the main reason for which neither have or are going to have their section is because this is BITCOINtalk, not bitcoinXTtalk, nor DASHtalk.

Dash is an altcoin, XT isn't.

XT is.

Not yet. But, it will be. Right now, XT is just an alternative coin. If they can gain 75%+ hash power, they'll allow bigger blocks and then that would be an alt coin.

It won't happen, the CN pools won't support anything along the lines of a fork even if it does allow for larger block sizes. Even Bitmain alone can block a fork.

I wish they dont. But, did not bitmain sign the letter supporting 8MB block ?

Supporting the idea that block sizes should increase, NOT any form of forming or XT which is considered dangerous. They want the core devs to work together.

[iCEBREAKER]

Reading this forum is like visiting Middle Ages.   

Your already unseemly self-pity is becoming nauseating.  The sooner you Gavinistas are herded into /v/bitcoinxt to circlejerk yourselves the better.

[YarkoL]

Your already unseemly self-pity is becoming nauseating.  The sooner you Gavinistas are herded into /v/bitcoinxt to circlejerk yourselves the better.

Even though you Core supporters really make a laudable effort
at being utter dickheads, I'm still maintaining my impartial stance
on this bitcoin brouhaha.

[iCEBREAKER]

Your already unseemly self-pity is becoming nauseating.  The sooner you Gavinistas are herded into /v/bitcoinxt to circlejerk yourselves the better.

Even though you Core supporters really make a laudable effort
at being utter dickheads, I'm still maintaining my impartial stance
on this bitcoin brouhaha.

Fine, pretend to be impartial while picking one side to scold for not meeting your standards of genteel conduct.   

There's no group of "utter dickheads" in which I'd rather be included than the one boasting Szabo, Back, BramCohen, theymos, gmax, pwuille, MeniR, laawj, ptodd, drak, davout, MP, hdbuck, and MoA.

If you haven't noticed, your XT-BECAUSE-OFFENDED meme (after some initial success while theymos took the weekend off) has failed.

I guess people love privacy and Tor more than they hate the core devs and theymos!   

[Quickseller]

It won't happen, the CN pools won't support anything along the lines of a fork even if it does allow for larger block sizes. Even Bitmain alone can block a fork.

It is my understanding that the chinese pools, for the most part do not own the hardware they are mining with, so switching pools to one that does support XT (or any other fork) would be as simple as changing a few settings.

It is also possible that something could change in the future that would convince the Chinese pools to support XT, perhaps if major a major payment processor were to publicly support XT.....I am not sure if any of them will though.

I don't think that XT should have it's own section, although I also don't think it should be in the altcoin section.

For the most part, any discussion that has to do with XT will almost always also have to do with Bitcoin......and discussions regarding Bitcoin belong in the main section.

[dogie]

It won't happen, the CN pools won't support anything along the lines of a fork even if it does allow for larger block sizes. Even Bitmain alone can block a fork.

It is my understanding that the chinese pools, for the most part do not own the hardware they are mining with, so switching pools to one that does support XT (or any other fork) would be as simple as changing a few settings. It is also possible that something could change in the future that would convince the Chinese pools to support XT, perhaps if major a major payment processor were to publicly support XT.....I am not sure if any of them will though.

Many of the CN pools control large amounts of hash rate which they may not own but instead manage (inc cloud) so they can dictate what we do. And that will not be supporting XT (unless there is an overwhelming consensus). What everyone wants is for the developers to stop acting like children and just agree on a block size. Make it 1.1MB as a first step, see if everyone magically runs out of hard drive space and go from there.

[meono]

It won't happen, the CN pools won't support anything along the lines of a fork even if it does allow for larger block sizes. Even Bitmain alone can block a fork.

It is my understanding that the chinese pools, for the most part do not own the hardware they are mining with, so switching pools to one that does support XT (or any other fork) would be as simple as changing a few settings. It is also possible that something could change in the future that would convince the Chinese pools to support XT, perhaps if major a major payment processor were to publicly support XT.....I am not sure if any of them will though.

Many of the CN pools control large amounts of hash rate which they may not own but instead manage (inc cloud) so they can dictate what we do. And that will not be supporting XT (unless there is an overwhelming consensus). What everyone wants is for the developers to stop acting like children and just agree on a block size. Make it 1.1MB as a first step, see if everyone magically runs out of hard drive space and go from there.

Go from there? You mean another hard fork? You never cease to amaze me with your intelligence, dogie alldick.

[YarkoL]

Fine, pretend to be impartial while picking one side to scold for not meeting your standards of genteel conduct.   

There's no group of "utter dickheads" in which I'd rather be included than the one boasting Szabo, Back, BramCohen, theymos, gmax, pwuille, MeniR, laawj, ptodd, drak, davout, MP, hdbuck, and MoA.

If you haven't noticed, your XT-BECAUSE-OFFENDED meme (after some initial success while theymos took the weekend off) has failed.

I guess people love privacy and Tor more than they hate the core devs and theymos!   

"XT-BECAUSE-OFFENDED meme"? what the hell are you talking about.
I was away from the forum for ten days, and I haven't kept up with
this squabble.

All I was saying that give XT a child board on its own, instead of
dumping all that stuff into regular altcoin section which is already
a chaotic cesspool.

But I guess during that ten days I forgot that making serious posts
into Bitcointalk is an exercise in futility.

Anyway, enjoy your civil war. Bitcoin being split into two doesn't really concern
me. <shrugs>

[iCEBREAKER]

Fine, pretend to be impartial while picking one side to scold for not meeting your standards of genteel conduct.   

There's no group of "utter dickheads" in which I'd rather be included than the one boasting Szabo, Back, BramCohen, theymos, gmax, pwuille, MeniR, laawj, ptodd, drak, davout, MP, hdbuck, and MoA.

If you haven't noticed, your XT-BECAUSE-OFFENDED meme (after some initial success while theymos took the weekend off) has failed.

I guess people love privacy and Tor more than they hate the core devs and theymos!   

"XT-BECAUSE-OFFENDED meme"? what the hell are you talking about.
I was away from the forum for ten days, and I haven't kept up with
this squabble.

All I was saying that give XT a child board on its own, instead of
dumping all that stuff into regular altcoin section which is already
a chaotic cesspool.

XT is a perfect fit for the chaotic cesspool.

If you thought Litecoin and altcoins dilute the value of Bitcoin, wait til you see what BTCXT does to the price! Actually, the market is already giving us a hint as to why BitcoinXT is such a bad idea.

A more responsible option would have been to set the trigger threshold at a real super majority of 90% miner vote. If it was set at 90%, the chance of a bad fork would be far less likely. But Mike & Gavin knows that there's no way they can get 90% support, so they would rather risk hurting Bitcoin in order to get their way. Mike has even mention using checkpoints to force the issue if XT doesn't get the hashrate majority (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1089283.0). That is scary.

The "XT-BECAUSE-OFFENDED meme" refers to the last ditch attempt of the Gavinistas to justify their attack using theymo's so-called "censorship" and/or rude conduct of Core supporters.

[RocketSingh]

Definitely no. The problem isn't XT nor the forum's policy. It is the users that are constantly opening threads for the same topics in the wrong subsection.
If BitcoinXT deserves a section for itself, doesn't DASH (just used as example, I'm not advocating it) deserve one too? Are you trying to tell me there are more posts about XT than about DASH (currently ~105k)?

To simplify, the main reason for which neither have or are going to have their section is because this is BITCOINtalk, not bitcoinXTtalk, nor DASHtalk.

Dash is an altcoin, XT isn't.

XT is.

Not yet. But, it will be. Right now, XT is just an alternative coin. If they can gain 75%+ hash power, they'll allow bigger blocks and then that would be an alt coin.

It won't happen, the CN pools won't support anything along the lines of a fork even if it does allow for larger block sizes. Even Bitmain alone can block a fork.

I wish they dont. But, did not bitmain sign the letter supporting 8MB block ?

Supporting the idea that block sizes should increase, NOT any form of forming or XT which is considered dangerous. They want the core devs to work together.

Does not seem like you had any internal info. This is straight from the co-founder of Bitmain...

I support increasing the block size. @BITMAINtech 's AntPool will be prepared to switch to XT, IF we see majority has switched.

https://twitter.com/JihanWu/status/633288343338381314

It is high time that core devs take proposals like BIP 100, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1154536.0 or BIP 103 seriously.

[trinaldao]

Yeahh...
may be move all Thread about Bitcoin XT to trashcan

and only 1 Thread, because i see so many troller at Create bitcoinXT Thread

[Zarathustra]

The "XT-BECAUSE-OFFENDED meme" refers to the last ditch attempt of the Gavinistas to justify their attack using theymo's so-called "censorship" and/or rude conduct of Core supporters.

Gavinist: XT is open source!

iCEstream: It is an attack! It is an attack!

[Sourgummies]

The problem with a lot of these threads the people may believe in XT but its coming across like a pushy religious guy at the front door when all you want to do Is eat.
Think the thread depth on this topic is getting past shoulder height,in other words we neck deep in it.

Glad I could help