Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A)

[rachman mahesa]

I heard Juve is going for De Gea and a couple other United players this January.  Could this be an opportunity for Ronaldo (and his agent) to engineer 'a return'?  

Juventus seems very complete in all positions to my eyes. I wonder why they are going to buy more players, still Manchester United is a good market for buying some quality.
As for Ronaldo, It would be interesting to see them returning to Utd, but I don't think that he is interested in that move.

I see that Ronaldo is very comfortable at Juve and will most likely retire from football at Juve (seeing Christiano Ronaldo is 34 years old now)... so, the possibility he will not be interested in returning to MU is very large.

With Ronaldo current status and physique, he could still play very close to age 40 or thereabout at top level, he's just that fit and his winning mentality wouldn't change a bit, that I'm sure very of. It is to be seen if he'll end his career at Juventus ( I strongly doubt he will, though).

In my opinion Ronaldo will remain at Juventus even until his retirement (If he can win UCL for Juventus) After that he will be seen retiring or moving to another club for his retirement. It must be admitted that Ronaldo's age is no longer young, but his mentality and enthusiasm never fade. That is one of the advantages that Ronaldo has.

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[Naida_BR]

I heard Juve is going for De Gea and a couple other United players this January.  Could this be an opportunity for Ronaldo (and his agent) to engineer 'a return'? 

Actually, the rumor bounced here in Italy too!

The good part of this rumor is that if he will come here it will be a free player and he will cost 0.
His contract will end next year!

So Juventus can sell Szczesny for 35-40 M € https://www.transfermarkt.it/wojciech-szczesny/profil/spieler/44058 and take DeGea for 0.

What's about of salary?

Szczesny as today cost at Juventus around 8m€ with taxes.

DeGea now gains 11.6 m € without taxes from ManU.

If he keeps the same salary for Juventus will be 11.6+25%(11.6)= 14.5 m € with taxes.

So basically DeGea will cost 6.5m €/y more then Szczesny, but Juventus can take around 40m € from the sell.

Now if we do 40/6.5 we will have around 6 years if DeGea comes and signs a contract of max 5 years this operation it will +EV for Juventus.

After all those math done, i still believe that De Gea would be a great addition to Juve.
Sczencny is a valuable player and has saved Juventus in many difficult matches but the difference in those prices are not so of a deal for Juventus.

[rachman mahesa]

I heard Juve is going for De Gea and a couple other United players this January.  Could this be an opportunity for Ronaldo (and his agent) to engineer 'a return'? 

Actually, the rumor bounced here in Italy too!

The good part of this rumor is that if he will come here it will be a free player and he will cost 0.
His contract will end next year!

So Juventus can sell Szczesny for 35-40 M € https://www.transfermarkt.it/wojciech-szczesny/profil/spieler/44058 and take DeGea for 0.

What's about of salary?

Szczesny as today cost at Juventus around 8m€ with taxes.

DeGea now gains 11.6 m € without taxes from ManU.

If he keeps the same salary for Juventus will be 11.6+25%(11.6)= 14.5 m € with taxes.

So basically DeGea will cost 6.5m €/y more then Szczesny, but Juventus can take around 40m € from the sell.

Now if we do 40/6.5 we will have around 6 years if DeGea comes and signs a contract of max 5 years this operation it will +EV for Juventus.

After all those math done, i still believe that De Gea would be a great addition to Juve.
Sczencny is a valuable player and has saved Juventus in many difficult matches but the difference in those prices are not so of a deal for Juventus.

The price difference for Juventus is very important. If you get De Gea for free and sell Szczesny, of course that is an absolute advantage for juventus.

But, what is said by @Naida_BR has a point. That it is also possible for Juventus to get de gea and Szczesny to stay together, it will be even more beautiful.

[coinlocket$]

The price difference for Juventus is very important. If you get De Gea for free and sell Szczesny, of course that is an absolute advantage for juventus.

But, what is said by @Naida_BR has a point. That it is also possible for Juventus to get de gea and Szczesny to stay together, it will be even more beautiful.

Although I would like the idea of ​​having both DeGea and Szczesny on the same team, I don't think it's as economically positive

At the moment  Juventus has 4 goalkeepers

Szczesny
Buffon
Perin
Pinsoglio

Of these four goalkeepers Perin should leave in January, he has not left now because he is hospitalized from the accident.

Having said that, next year Buffon probably leaves, Pinsoglio expires in 2020 but should renew and Perin should be sold outright.
Szczesny and Pinsoglio would find themselves again and the second goalkeeper would be missing.

The value of Perin is about 15 million with a gross expense of 4. The value of Buffon is 0 with a gross expense of 2.
Having said that they would save 21 million which would be equal to DeGea's engagement for even 2 years.

Although DeGea is free but with a 4/5-year contract, it has an expense of around 100 million with taxes, it is not a small expense especially if we consider the thickness of a possible second goalkeeper like Szczesny.

In my opinion, the only possible way to take DeGea is to sell Szczesny.

You can't put 2 (expensive) roosters in the same house.

[stigmacryptonight]

In my opinion, the only possible way to take DeGea is to sell Szczesny.

You can't put 2 (expensive) roosters in the same house.

This may later be done by the Juventus. You're right, there's no way De Gea and Szczesny will be in the same place. I did not realize that the De Gea 4 - 5 year Contract reached 100 million.

If Juventus still want to get de gea, they inevitably have to sell Szczesny.

[elda34b]

This may later be done by the Juventus. You're right, there's no way De Gea and Szczesny will be in the same place. I did not realize that the De Gea 4 - 5 year Contract reached 100 million.

I could not imagine why they would buy De Gea or why United wants to sell him. They're not that desperate for money and I believe there is no other good goalkeeper for United. Szczesny is not that old either, still a good goalkeeper for Juventus.

Instead of buying a goalkeeper, strengthening their other areas or youth talents might be better.

[Juggy777]

In my opinion, the only possible way to take DeGea is to sell Szczesny.

You can't put 2 (expensive) roosters in the same house.

This may later be done by the Juventus. You're right, there's no way De Gea and Szczesny will be in the same place. I did not realize that the De Gea 4 - 5 year Contract reached 100 million.

If Juventus still want to get de gea, they inevitably have to sell Szczesny.

@stigmacryptonight if De Gea indeed signs for Juventus as a free agent, then they’ll have to sell Szczesny to balance their books. It’s pertinent to note that he has not agreed to sign for Juventus, as Manchester United are doing all they can to tie De Gea to a new contract. Juventus will become very strong if they can land him as he’s one of the best goal keepers in the world.

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/sep/09/david-de-gea-close-to-signing-new-manchester-united-contract

[coinlocket$]

Instead of buying a goalkeeper, strengthening their other areas or youth talents might be better.

The point is very simple to explain.

DeGea's contract expires in June 2020, if it does not renew in this 8 months on July 2020 1st, he can leave Manchester for free.

Juventus currently has a great goalkeeper but De Gea's potential is undoubtedly greater, so if it is not an economical suicide (if you can sell the current goalkeeper for 35-50 million) it is an operation to be done.

If Manchester does not renew with him, it cannot do anything.

(As with Pogba, time in Manchester is about to expire, he still has a 22-month contract and after he can leave for free, and "usually" a player will not renew on his last year.)

[mu_enrico]

DeGea's contract expires in June 2020, if it does not renew in this 8 months on July 2020 1st, he can leave Manchester for free.

DeGea isn't going to leave England for Italy mate. Most likely he will choose Spain (his country), perhaps Madrid or Barcelona, and end his career there.

Pogba

You can take that guy, no one in Manchester would complain

Bet?

Code:

Fiorentina vs Juventus
Napoli vs Sampdoria
Inter Milan vs Udinese	
Genoa vs Atalanta	
Brescia vs Bologna	
Parma vs Cagliari
Spal vs Lazio
Roma vs Sassuolo	
Verona vs AC Milan
Torino vs Lecce

[tazmantasik]

DeGea's contract expires in June 2020, if it does not renew in this 8 months on July 2020 1st, he can leave Manchester for free.

DeGea isn't going to leave England for Italy mate. Most likely he will choose Spain (his country), perhaps Madrid or Barcelona, and end his career there.

All that is said here, is possible. He could have been to Spain and could also be to Italy or even he would still survive in Britain again. All of the things that I mentioned could happen, we just need to wait for the time again.

[coinlocket$]

DeGea isn't going to leave England for Italy mate. Most likely he will choose Spain (his country), perhaps Madrid or Barcelona, and end his career there.

Any specific reason for it or only your opinion?

Prepare yourself to see more and more top player in Italy, we have a new law, they will pay fewer taxes so they can pay more money as salary to players.

If Juventus will pay 15m /y to him, he will leave even tomorrow.

#Pogback? Yes please, he can win the Ballon d'Or here.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q01k9-PmAD8

[Coyster]

If Juventus will pay 15m /y to him, he will leave even tomorrow.

#Pogback? Yes please, he can win the Ballon d'Or here.

De gea has always been enthusiastic to go to Spain, Madrid to be precise, but I doubt how possible that is right now as Madrid have already bought courtois recently and there is no way they will be spending another huge amount on a goalkeeper soon.
I do not know if juventus are interested in de gea, but if they are, it looks a sound move to me and one that could be tempting to the player, juve are a top top club remember.

Pogba would definitely leave united, I doubt if he is happy playing for united anymore, going back to juve yet again isn't bad and it'll be a great addition, but I doubt if Pogba has what it takes to win the ballon d'or.

[coinlocket$]

Pogba would definitely leave united, I doubt if he is happy playing for united anymore, going back to juve yet again isn't bad and it'll be a great addition, but I doubt if Pogba has what it takes to win the ballon d'or.

The Juventus Pogba got everything needed for aiming to that.

2014 22°    Paul Pogba 22yo

2015 15°    Paul Pogba 23yo

He went to ManU shortly after and lost his way. (According to Wikipedia)

Pogba was amazing with Juventus. That was a reason that he was the most paid player in the world.

[tomahawk9]

Fiorentina 0 - 0 Juventus

Well, didn't expect this game to end without goals (i had over 1.5 in a parlay), especially with Ribery, CR7, Higuain, Chiesa, etc, on the pitch. Btw, embarrassing performance from Juventus, yikes.

And bad news for Juve: Danilo, Pjanic, and Douglas Costa, are injured and could possibly miss the Champions League debut against Atletico next week.

[Naida_BR]

DeGea's contract expires in June 2020, if it does not renew in this 8 months on July 2020 1st, he can leave Manchester for free.

DeGea isn't going to leave England for Italy mate. Most likely he will choose Spain (his country), perhaps Madrid or Barcelona, and end his career there.

Pogba

You can take that guy, no one in Manchester would complain

Bet?

Code:

Fiorentina vs Juventus
Napoli vs Sampdoria
Inter Milan vs Udinese	
Genoa vs Atalanta	
Brescia vs Bologna	
Parma vs Cagliari
Spal vs Lazio
Roma vs Sassuolo	
Verona vs AC Milan
Torino vs Lecce

My bet is going to go at Inter Milan vs Udinese.
I am going to bet for Inter as I expect them to continue their great performance. I think they are going to hit a good position in the league this season, better than last season and why not compete with Juventus for the title.

[coinlocket$]

I think the match between Juventus and Fiorentina was the worse match for Juventus in the past 5 Years.
Nothing went on the right side, Juventus is lucky with the draw.
2 players injured( Pjanic and D.Costa) they probably will skip Atletico on Champions, 1 shoot on the door and nothing else.
I hope this only a case with a hot day, international matches with national teams or this year it will be a hard year.

In the time Inter won and now they are leading the League. It could be a good bet for the title.

[Barracuda]

I think the match between Juventus and Fiorentina was the worse match for Juventus in the past 5 Years.

In the time Inter won and now they are leading the League. It could be a good bet for the title.

That is indeed very surprising. I don't think that Juventus will play Draw when against Fiorentina. It's very appropriate now that Inter is leading the Serie A standings now. This season is really difficult for Juventus to maintain Serie A as before.

[Naida_BR]

I think the match between Juventus and Fiorentina was the worse match for Juventus in the past 5 Years.
Nothing went on the right side, Juventus is lucky with the draw.
2 players injured( Pjanic and D.Costa) they probably will skip Atletico on Champions, 1 shoot on the door and nothing else.
I hope this only a case with a hot day, international matches with national teams or this year it will be a hard year.

In the time Inter won and now they are leading the League. It could be a good bet for the title.

They lost 2 key players that add value in the starting lineup, but I believe that Sarri will find a way to cover their positions.
The Champions league game would be a difficult one but a draw is a result that fits both teams.

[Harkorede]

I think the match between Juventus and Fiorentina was the worse match for Juventus in the past 5 Years.
Nothing went on the right side, Juventus is lucky with the draw.
2 players injured( Pjanic and D.Costa) they probably will skip Atletico on Champions, 1 shoot on the door and nothing else.
I hope this only a case with a hot day, international matches with national teams or this year it will be a hard year.

Maybe Indeed Juventus dominance is about to come to an end this season, Derby matches like the ones against Fiorentina used to be a one sided affair.

In the time Inter won and now they are leading the League. It could be a good bet for the title.

Conte's army as I would rather call them now, remain my favorites for the title this year.

[tazmantasik]

I think the match between Juventus and Fiorentina was the worse match for Juventus in the past 5 Years.

In the time Inter won and now they are leading the League. It could be a good bet for the title.

That is indeed very surprising. I don't think that Juventus will play Draw when against Fiorentina. It's very appropriate now that Inter is leading the Serie A standings now. This season is really difficult for Juventus to maintain Serie A as before.

Juventus really should win and get 3 points. Imagine, Fiorentina who are ranked below could have been able to draw with Juventus. This still proves that Juventus must be prepared with a great rival in Serie A, one of which is Inter.