Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread

[ITExpert]

I wonder how many years it will be before we see another exception like Leverkusen’s championship in the 2023–2024 season in the Bundesliga? It’s pretty hard to make a guess out of nothing, but I don’t think anyone other than Bayern Munich will win the title for at least 3 or 4 years. As we’ve always said, they’re in a league of their own. They might have been a team capable of reaching the Champions League final, but they lost to another finalist. In fact, their first match against PSG felt like a Champions League final. Looking back now, Leverkusen achieved something truly remarkable in the 2023-24 season.

Bayern Munich really has a very great dominance in this season of Bundesliga which makes them more efficient. And Bayern Munich give tough time to all the other teams in the Bundesliga and no team is proven themselves as the great opponent of the Bayern Munich. And this dominance of the Bayern Munich was not only in this season in fact they were dominating Bundesliga consecutively from some years. But if we talk about Bayern Leverkusen they were good in the Bundesliga under the supervision of xabi Alonso and this is also said over here that  Bayern Leverkusen still holds their great record of not losing even a single match in his certain year of winning and Bayern not break this record despite having a heavy influence on all the teams in Bundesliga.

[jaberwock]

Yes, I think this is true that the league will be no more enjoyable if everybody knows the results before its end and Bayern Munich really make the league boring in this sense.

Yeah, you are right Bayern's dominance has ruined the real thrill of winning the league trophy for many football fans. Actually when a team is sitting at the top of the table with huge point lead over the rest at the start of the season there is no more suspense or doubt about who will be the current champion

However it would not be right to call the entire Bundesliga boring. The fight for Champions League ticket there and the death blow of small teams to escape the relegation zone are still at a dangerous level that I enjoy a lot. Anyway, I sincerely hope that the other clubs will keep Bayern under constant pressure so that the glory of the German league remains intact.

I disagree. While it is obvious that Bayern will win the league, and I am saying this in June, one year before the league ends, and few months before it even starts. That still doesn't mean every other position is taken. Dortmund for example has a task, which is becoming second place, if they do become second place, that is fine, they will go to to UCL and then use all of that money to build a better squad, and if they keep doing that, they will get better and better. Leipzig has another one, which is need to be top four, and possibly fight for second place. As you can see, every team has their own.

[Nheer]

Yes, I think this is true that the league will be no more enjoyable if everybody knows the results before its end and Bayern Munich really make the league boring in this sense.

Yeah, you are right Bayern's dominance has ruined the real thrill of winning the league trophy for many football fans. Actually when a team is sitting at the top of the table with huge point lead over the rest at the start of the season there is no more suspense or doubt about who will be the current champion

However it would not be right to call the entire Bundesliga boring. The fight for Champions League ticket there and the death blow of small teams to escape the relegation zone are still at a dangerous level that I enjoy a lot. Anyway, I sincerely hope that the other clubs will keep Bayern under constant pressure so that the glory of the German league remains intact.

I disagree. While it is obvious that Bayern will win the league, and I am saying this in June, one year before the league ends, and few months before it even starts. That still doesn't mean every other position is taken. Dortmund for example has a task, which is becoming second place, if they do become second place, that is fine, they will go to to UCL and then use all of that money to build a better squad, and if they keep doing that, they will get better and better. Leipzig has another one, which is need to be top four, and possibly fight for second place. As you can see, every team has their own.

The most anticipated position is first place which is the team winning the league title so basically it's more thrilling when many teams are fight for that spot. Bayern Munich dominance has made the winner too predictable. Other positions doesn't matter much, winning 2nd place, 3rd or 4th place doesn't matter, it's all the same because other teams are going to have to settle for other positions and the best would be champions league qualification.

The league is far too boring that way. And that why the English premier league will always be the most competitive because many teams battle themselves for the title and even top 4 spot is a competition for many. La Liga is also fair because at least 2 teams challenge themselves but it's not the same with the Bundesliga. All this doesn't take away the fun and maybe since Bayer Leverkusen took the title from them once other teams will try their luck too.

[snipie]

The league is far too boring that way. And that why the English premier league will always be the most competitive because many teams battle themselves for the title and even top 4 spot is a competition for many. La Liga is also fair because at least 2 teams challenge themselves but it's not the same with the Bundesliga. All this doesn't take away the fun and maybe since Bayer Leverkusen took the title from them once other teams will try their luck too.

There is a reason why Bundesliga and Ligue 1 aren't holding the first and second spot, because simply, aside from players skills and the wealth, there is a lack of competitiveness comparing to even lower leagues than them like Eredivise, Liga Portugal and Turkish league. In these leagues there are like 2, 3 teams having some sort of competitions between them and some rotation for the first spot. Thing that's lacking with Bayern Munich and Paris Saint-Germain totally dominating their leagues and this will not change unless some huge investment is done which I doubt it will occur with the recession happening over the world. Even rich people and nations will try to reduce the amount they spend nowadays. Teams like Bayer Leverkusen and Borussia Dortmund have to count on themselves and their young talents to win something.

[Nheer]

The league is far too boring that way. And that why the English premier league will always be the most competitive because many teams battle themselves for the title and even top 4 spot is a competition for many. La Liga is also fair because at least 2 teams challenge themselves but it's not the same with the Bundesliga. All this doesn't take away the fun and maybe since Bayer Leverkusen took the title from them once other teams will try their luck too.

There is a reason why Bundesliga and Ligue 1 aren't holding the first and second spot, because simply, aside from players skills and the wealth, there is a lack of competitiveness comparing to even lower leagues than them like Eredivise, Liga Portugal and Turkish league. In these leagues there are like 2, 3 teams having some sort of competitions between them and some rotation for the first spot. Thing that's lacking with Bayern Munich and Paris Saint-Germain totally dominating their leagues and this will not change unless some huge investment is done which I doubt it will occur with the recession happening over the world. Even rich people and nations will try to reduce the amount they spend nowadays. Teams like Bayer Leverkusen and Borussia Dortmund have to count on themselves and their young talents to win something.

Of course that's the major problem they are facing and it's more like every other team in the Bundesliga have given up and accepted that they can't compete with Bayern and so they are not doing anything to challenge them. You're right there's no form of competitiveness in the Ligue 1 and Bundesliga and it's even more surprising that even lower leagues as you mentioned are more competitive than them.

Investing so much on other teams to make them competitive can be difficult because bringing in good players or even a good coach will be difficult now but the major problem will be keeping those players. Players always want to player for a bigger team and when they come calling they can't ignore and same thing goes with the coaches, if top teams see how impressive he is they will come for him and he will want to join a bigger team so that's how these top teams are able to maintain dominance. They are at the top of the chain so it's easier to lure players from other teams and small teams have accepted their role of selling players to make profit so challenging will always be difficult.

[wakier]

I wonder how many years it will be before we see another exception like Leverkusen’s championship in the 2023–2024 season in the Bundesliga? It’s pretty hard to make a guess out of nothing, but I don’t think anyone other than Bayern Munich will win the title for at least 3 or 4 years. As we’ve always said, they’re in a league of their own. They might have been a team capable of reaching the Champions League final, but they lost to another finalist. In fact, their first match against PSG felt like a Champions League final. Looking back now, Leverkusen achieved something truly remarkable in the 2023-24 season.

Bayern Munich really has a very great dominance in this season of Bundesliga which makes them more efficient. And Bayern Munich give tough time to all the other teams in the Bundesliga and no team is proven themselves as the great opponent of the Bayern Munich. And this dominance of the Bayern Munich was not only in this season in fact they were dominating Bundesliga consecutively from some years. But if we talk about Bayern Leverkusen they were good in the Bundesliga under the supervision of xabi Alonso and this is also said over here that  Bayern Leverkusen still holds their great record of not losing even a single match in his certain year of winning and Bayern not break this record despite having a heavy influence on all the teams in Bundesliga.

It cannot be denied that Bayern Munich is indeed the strongest club among other clubs in the Bundesliga, that is what makes it always dominate the Bundesliga title. The only team that always competes with Bayern Munich is Dortmund, but this club still cannot match Bayern Munich. There is also Bayer Leverkusen, but that happened only once when it was still coached by Xabi Alonso, while currently Leverkusen can no longer compete with Bayern Munich in the title race.
Yes, Leverkusen did record a history of being undefeated in a full season when winning the Bundesliga title, but Bayern Munich also recorded a history of winning the Bundesliga title for more than a decade from the 2012/13 season to 2022/23, so which do you think is greater?

[Pandu Geddon]

Yes, Leverkusen did record a history of being undefeated in a full season when winning the Bundesliga title, but Bayern Munich also recorded a history of winning the Bundesliga title for more than a decade from the 2012/13 season to 2022/23, so which do you think is greater?

We don't need to judge which team is better. We will look at the team's performance in each season. At least, that's the perspective of a bettor. History can be a reference, but the team's current performance will be considered more. 
We know Munich's dominance, and in fact, that makes the Bundesliga not good enough. Other teams are not competitive and consistent enough as Munich's challengers.

[Humblevirus]

I wonder how many years it will be before we see another exception like Leverkusen’s championship in the 2023–2024 season in the Bundesliga? It’s pretty hard to make a guess out of nothing, but I don’t think anyone other than Bayern Munich will win the title for at least 3 or 4 years. As we’ve always said, they’re in a league of their own. They might have been a team capable of reaching the Champions League final, but they lost to another finalist. In fact, their first match against PSG felt like a Champions League final. Looking back now, Leverkusen achieved something truly remarkable in the 2023-24 season.

Bayern Munich really has a very great dominance in this season of Bundesliga which makes them more efficient. And Bayern Munich give tough time to all the other teams in the Bundesliga and no team is proven themselves as the great opponent of the Bayern Munich. And this dominance of the Bayern Munich was not only in this season in fact they were dominating Bundesliga consecutively from some years. But if we talk about Bayern Leverkusen they were good in the Bundesliga under the supervision of xabi Alonso and this is also said over here that  Bayern Leverkusen still holds their great record of not losing even a single match in his certain year of winning and Bayern not break this record despite having a heavy influence on all the teams in Bundesliga.

Bayern Munich will remain the team that continues to dominate the Bundesliga for the long term because other teams are not serious or ready to compete with them. We see every season that Bayern Munich keeps adding more players to their squad to strengthen the team's performance. Despite already having a strong squad, they hardly sell their key players.On the other hand, other teams often sell their quality players and replace them with average ones. This shows that they are not really ready to compete with Bayern Munich. That is the reason why, at the beginning of almost every season, many people believe that Bayern Munich will win the Bundesliga, and it usually happens.As a result, there is little real competition in the Bundesliga, and that is why I believe Bayern Munich will continue dominating the league.

[KTChampions]

As a professional manager, I think his statement is a wrong statement, he should not spread pessimism. Borussia Dortmund has a strong culture that they're Bayern Munich's strongest rivals, if that statement comes out from him, then how will the managers of clubs that are considered weaker than Borussia Dortmund respond?

In conclusion, it's not good at all.

What if Hamburg's coach says the same thing? Where is the line between objective assessment and pessimism? I don't think there's anything wrong with unconditionally recognizing Bayern's leadership and advantage in the Bundesliga, as this is 100% true. Let's wait until the season starts. I'm sure another Bayern title will be priced at 1.10 at best. And even that's probably too much, as getting a 10% profit (with a 99.5% guarantee) after eight months of waiting is too lucrative. In the Champions League, Bayern will also be among the top three favorites 100%.

[Halifat]

First of all, you need to understand that the first reason why the Ballon Dor was created was mainly to promote European football through the various leagues, there were times when the players who weren't from European countries weren't eligible to be nominated for the award and secondly, the World Cup and European Cup isn't played as often as the UCL hence the reason why the UCL and some top league are used as the yard stick to determine the winners.

Yes, but they should do something well every year. For me, this contest has become incredibly unbelievable; it's not the same anymore. I don't even want to watch it because it's all corrupt, everything revolves around money, around what benefits someone or some people. So the value of football is left out. Last year I did like Dembele's selection; in fact, if they were aware of the importance of football, Dembele should win it again.

Well, there have being lots of complains here and there before now about how the Ballon Dor has always being awarded in the past decade when Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi were mainly the highest contender for every season, and I think there was a season when Schweinsteiger was expected to be given the awarded but fans were disappointed that they didn't give it to him even after all that marvelous performance in that season. But for that of Dembele last season it was just too obvious to denying him of the award since those behind didn't even achieve anything special in the season. And most likely he would still win it again this year but he has to give a good performance in the World Cup too to seal it.

Last season dembele cannot be denied because just as you said there is no any player that come close to him and honestly he make a very good record for Paris Saint-Germain. I doubt him this season unless if he can do more in the World Cup because checking throughout his performance this season he did not make serious impact. There are a lot of things that are happening currently when it comes to rewarding this award, in some past years they didn't pay on their own interest bringing silly excuse which is not necessary. So many people were disappointed during the era of Schweinsteiger because the all thoughts that they will for once do Justice follow their arts and do what they want awarded it to Messi.

[Velvet78]

Leipzig had a really decent season this time unlike their 7th finish in the previous season... They are actually not a broke team financially but they can't compete with teams like Bayern Munich in squad building. 

Otherwise they would also have a really strong squad now. They have sold many talents so far just like Dortmund have done. This is keeping Bayern Munich comfortable in their domination of the Bundesliga.

[Webutxo]

It cannot be denied that Bayern Munich is indeed the strongest club among other clubs in the Bundesliga, that is what makes it always dominate the Bundesliga title. The only team that always competes with Bayern Munich is Dortmund, but this club still cannot match Bayern Munich. There is also Bayer Leverkusen, but that happened only once when it was still coached by Xabi Alonso, while currently Leverkusen can no longer compete with Bayern Munich in the title race.
Yes, Leverkusen did record a history of being undefeated in a full season when winning the Bundesliga title, but Bayern Munich also recorded a history of winning the Bundesliga title for more than a decade from the 2012/13 season to 2022/23, so which do you think is greater?

They were the strongest until Leverkusen took the place last two season and that was what earned Xabi a good place as their head coach but things didn't go well for them. He was supposed to be the competitor with Bayern but he left when things were too good for him. Winning the League with no loss is one of the biggest flex any club would want to have but later loss one but they already won the league already, Bayern did the same this season.

Before Bayern will have a strong opponent in Bundesliga, it's going to take a lot of time, even Leverkusen that goes hard on them last two season knows what they went through but now they are nowhere to be found. The person that even made it possible has left. However, as they are doing better I want them to reposition their place in the Champions League, they always go far only to be removed by a team that they could have won with ease.

[SquallLeonhart]

Bayern Munich has all the money in the world compared to all other German teams. For a while, they were very good because they bought all good players from other German clubs, and up until that Leverkusen period, that is what they did, and won every single year, because they were buying players from other German clubs which made Bayern better and other teams worse.

And then other German teams started to not sell to Bayern, and sell to other clubs, which forced Bayern to buy players from other leagues mainly. Look at the premier league attack scheme they have, Diaz, Kane, Olise, all from premier league. So from that period to this period, they had 1-2 bad seasons but aside from that they seem like they fixed the issue.

[mv1986]

I wonder how many years it will be before we see another exception like Leverkusen’s championship in the 2023–2024 season in the Bundesliga? It’s pretty hard to make a guess out of nothing, but I don’t think anyone other than Bayern Munich will win the title for at least 3 or 4 years. As we’ve always said, they’re in a league of their own. They might have been a team capable of reaching the Champions League final, but they lost to another finalist. In fact, their first match against PSG felt like a Champions League final. Looking back now, Leverkusen achieved something truly remarkable in the 2023-24 season.

Bayern Munich really has a very great dominance in this season of Bundesliga which makes them more efficient. And Bayern Munich give tough time to all the other teams in the Bundesliga and no team is proven themselves as the great opponent of the Bayern Munich. And this dominance of the Bayern Munich was not only in this season in fact they were dominating Bundesliga consecutively from some years. But if we talk about Bayern Leverkusen they were good in the Bundesliga under the supervision of xabi Alonso and this is also said over here that  Bayern Leverkusen still holds their great record of not losing even a single match in his certain year of winning and Bayern not break this record despite having a heavy influence on all the teams in Bundesliga.

No, they were not dominating the Bundesliga consecutively for some years. Leverkusen's record breaking season is two years ago. What is true is that they have been dominating in the grand scheme of things for decades and they will keep doing so. It has financial reasons and the snowball effect comes into play. With every year passing by, their financial situation literally automatically improves while other teams can only achieve a decent bottom line at the end of the season if they sell valuable players. Bayern doesn't have to do that. That's the big difference and only exceptions, like the one with Leverkusen, will break Bayern's dominance for a moment.

[len01]

Otherwise they would also have a really strong squad now. They have sold many talents so far just like Dortmund have done. This is keeping Bayern Munich comfortable in their domination of the Bundesliga.

It seems as if other teams in the Bundesliga are frustrated and reluctant to compete for titles, preferring to focus on developing talented players and then selling them to make money. 

So, mentality is also a factor here. As a team that has never won the Bundesliga, they often lack a strong plan to compete for the title, instead pursuing titles in other competitions.

[Barikui1]

Yes, Leverkusen did record a history of being undefeated in a full season when winning the Bundesliga title, but Bayern Munich also recorded a history of winning the Bundesliga title for more than a decade from the 2012/13 season to 2022/23, so which do you think is greater?

We don't need to judge which team is better. We will look at the team's performance in each season. At least, that's the perspective of a bettor. History can be a reference, but the team's current performance will be considered more. 
We know Munich's dominance, and in fact, that makes the Bundesliga not good enough. Other teams are not competitive and consistent enough as Munich's challengers.

This is the exact reason the German bundesliga is not as exciting as other top five european leagues because even in their worst form, they will still manages to win the league because they have no rivals. And if any team spring up to challenge them this season, the team will be severely weakened the following season, because Bayern munich and other top teams will start signing their best players, this is why I can not take the German bundesliga as serious as the Spanish laliga or the English premier league.

[Iamgoat]

Bayern Munich really has a very great dominance in this season of Bundesliga which makes them more efficient. And Bayern Munich give tough time to all the other teams in the Bundesliga and no team is proven themselves as the great opponent of the Bayern Munich. And this dominance of the Bayern Munich was not only in this season in fact they were dominating Bundesliga consecutively from some years. But if we talk about Bayern Leverkusen they were good in the Bundesliga under the supervision of xabi Alonso and this is also said over here that  Bayern Leverkusen still holds their great record of not losing even a single match in his certain year of winning and Bayern not break this record despite having a heavy influence on all the teams in Bundesliga.

You are right. I agree Bayern Munich has been the dominant force in the bundesliga for more than a decade but what Bayer Leverkusen achieved under Xabi Alonso was something very commendable and truly special to me. Going through a league campaign unbeaten is an extraordinary accomplishment for a team like Bayer and it is one thing Bayern Munich have continued to find difficult the kind of invincible season despite having won more titles than any other team. The only problem now is can Leverkusen sustain the level after Alonso’s departure?

[kriminall]

Bayern Munich really has a very great dominance in this season of Bundesliga which makes them more efficient. And Bayern Munich give tough time to all the other teams in the Bundesliga and no team is proven themselves as the great opponent of the Bayern Munich. And this dominance of the Bayern Munich was not only in this season in fact they were dominating Bundesliga consecutively from some years. But if we talk about Bayern Leverkusen they were good in the Bundesliga under the supervision of xabi Alonso and this is also said over here that  Bayern Leverkusen still holds their great record of not losing even a single match in his certain year of winning and Bayern not break this record despite having a heavy influence on all the teams in Bundesliga.

You are right. I agree Bayern Munich has been the dominant force in the bundesliga for more than a decade but what Bayer Leverkusen achieved under Xabi Alonso was something very commendable and truly special to me. Going through a league campaign unbeaten is an extraordinary accomplishment for a team like Bayer and it is one thing Bayern Munich have continued to find difficult the kind of invincible season despite having won more titles than any other team. The only problem now is can Leverkusen sustain the level after Alonso’s departure?

They didn't look very good last year, but maybe things will change this year. We expect them to be as successful as they were under the Spanish manager, but last year wasn't successful at all for them. Bayer Leverkusen experienced their peak with Xabi Alonso. It will probably be difficult to repeat that, and Leverkusen will likely be the last to hold the record for going unbeaten in a season until Bayern Munich breaks it.

[Wake Up]

Yes, Leverkusen did record a history of being undefeated in a full season when winning the Bundesliga title, but Bayern Munich also recorded a history of winning the Bundesliga title for more than a decade from the 2012/13 season to 2022/23, so which do you think is greater?

We don't need to judge which team is better. We will look at the team's performance in each season. At least, that's the perspective of a bettor. History can be a reference, but the team's current performance will be considered more. 
We know Munich's dominance, and in fact, that makes the Bundesliga not good enough. Other teams are not competitive and consistent enough as Munich's challengers.

This is the exact reason the German bundesliga is not as exciting as other top five european leagues because even in their worst form, they will still manages to win the league because they have no rivals. And if any team spring up to challenge them this season, the team will be severely weakened the following season, because Bayern munich and other top teams will start signing their best players, this is why I can not take the German bundesliga as serious as the Spanish laliga or the English premier league.

Although there are many strong teams in Germany, Bayern Munich is considered far superior, making it seem as if there's no real competition. However, Borussia Dortmund has reached the Champions League final, and Bayer Leverkusen has reached the Europa League final. In fact, there are teams from Spain or the Premier League that are more successful in Europe, but even they are overshadowed by Bayern Munich. Bayern Munich has comfortably won that league for years. Perhaps if a wealthy German club were to buy one, this competition could intensify.

[wakier]

This is the exact reason the German bundesliga is not as exciting as other top five european leagues because even in their worst form, they will still manages to win the league because they have no rivals. And if any team spring up to challenge them this season, the team will be severely weakened the following season, because Bayern munich and other top teams will start signing their best players, this is why I can not take the German bundesliga as serious as the Spanish laliga or the English premier league.

If you say the Bundesliga isn't as exciting as the other top five European leagues, does that include the French Ligue 1 too? Personally, I think the Bundesliga is way better than Ligue 1, which just gets dominated by the exact same team every single year. To me, Bundesliga is still much more interesting. Of course, neither of them can match La Liga or the Premier League, but there is a clear reason for that other clubs in Germany and France simply don't have the financial muscle to sign tons of top tier talent. Bayern Munich and PSG always have the money to bring in world class players, so it makes perfect sense that they always dominate. Even when a random club steps up to challenge them, it’s never something they can sustain year after year.