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August 27, 2015, 06:40:28 AM
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Reporter shooting fake?

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August 27, 2015, 06:55:31 AM
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I'm just going to state my thoughts from my first viewing of this event from the shooter's footage - first thing that raised red flags was how the shooter is standing closely to the victims and what one would think easy visibility of the reporter and woman she is interviewing, let alone the fact he is standing directly behind the cameraman yet not once does anyone look towards him. When shots are fired, you see no visible contact or spray and the slow-motion footage is slowed to where you can see along the ground and notice no blood whatsoever. These are bizarre times we are living in and I trust nothing coming out of this country's media at this point and time.
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August 27, 2015, 07:36:02 AM
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let alone the fact he is standing directly behind the cameraman yet not once does anyone look towards him.

I know on camera personalities are trained to ignore people around them.

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August 27, 2015, 08:42:46 AM
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So, all of these people were in on it and now 3 people have to change their identities and move far away to perpetuate the hoax.

Or...one guy shot 3 people, one of which survived, then shot himself.

As for the lack of movie/TV/video game blood splatter, it appears that he used a small caliber weapon. The longer video records 14 shots after that short video. Even when he tried to shoot himself in the head he survived long enough to be taken to the hospital. Obviously something like a 9mm that does not leave a huge exit wound and likely does not even go all the way through the body.

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August 27, 2015, 12:25:48 PM
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So, all of these people were in on it and now 3 people have to change their identities and move far away to perpetuate the hoax.

Or...one guy shot 3 people, one of which survived, then shot himself.

As for the lack of movie/TV/video game blood splatter, it appears that he used a small caliber weapon. The longer video records 14 shots after that short video. Even when he tried to shoot himself in the head he survived long enough to be taken to the hospital. Obviously something like a 9mm that does not leave a huge exit wound and likely does not even go all the way through the body.
This is not accurate.

You would have to get to .22 to expect those characteristics.

Projectile velocity and shape is more important than caliber. 9mm can be had anywhere from 800 fps to 1300+ fps, and full jacketed vs hollow point, etc.
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August 27, 2015, 12:40:48 PM
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So, all of these people were in on it and now 3 people have to change their identities and move far away to perpetuate the hoax.

Or...one guy shot 3 people, one of which survived, then shot himself.

As for the lack of movie/TV/video game blood splatter, it appears that he used a small caliber weapon. The longer video records 14 shots after that short video. Even when he tried to shoot himself in the head he survived long enough to be taken to the hospital. Obviously something like a 9mm that does not leave a huge exit wound and likely does not even go all the way through the body.
This is not accurate.

You would have to get to .22 to expect those characteristics.

Projectile velocity and shape is more important than caliber. 9mm can be had anywhere from 800 fps to 1300+ fps, and full jacketed vs hollow point, etc.

My gun knowledge is very sparse so I will defer to you on that one. Same concept though, it took almost 20 shots to kill 2 people so obviously not high caliber.

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August 27, 2015, 01:37:05 PM
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So, all of these people were in on it and now 3 people have to change their identities and move far away to perpetuate the hoax.

Or...one guy shot 3 people, one of which survived, then shot himself.

Exactly. Conspiracy theorists will make a conspiracy out of absolutely anything at all. Please someone tell me what would be the benefit of faking this incident and for what motives?

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August 27, 2015, 01:50:15 PM
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So, all of these people were in on it and now 3 people have to change their identities and move far away to perpetuate the hoax.

Or...one guy shot 3 people, one of which survived, then shot himself.

Exactly. Conspiracy theorists will make a conspiracy out of absolutely anything at all. Please someone tell me what would be the benefit of faking this incident and for what motives?


This shooting looks obviously staged, so much so, I thought it was a joke.

However, there have been many shooting "drills" in the recent month, and it just so happens these reporters, and news company in particular, reported on one at a school about a week ago. I Forget the exact link on this webpage but they had dates for drills scheduled where supposed "fatal shootings' were reported on my mainstream media... I believe the Church Shooting was one fletc.gov

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it was the charleston shooting that the dates matched up to the "event"

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August 27, 2015, 04:04:07 PM
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So, all of these people were in on it and now 3 people have to change their identities and move far away to perpetuate the hoax.

Or...one guy shot 3 people, one of which survived, then shot himself.

Exactly. Conspiracy theorists will make a conspiracy out of absolutely anything at all. Please someone tell me what would be the benefit of faking this incident and for what motives?

Well, I'm no conspiracy theorist, but given the fact that Hillary Clinton and Obama both immediately jumped on the gun control wagon, yet again, I would say a lot stands to benefit. Of course, the rational side of me thinks that Hillary jumped on it so quickly because she wanted to use this tragedy to deflect some of the heat away from her email mess. She is heartless.

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August 27, 2015, 08:37:08 PM
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So, all of these people were in on it and now 3 people have to change their identities and move far away to perpetuate the hoax.

Or...one guy shot 3 people, one of which survived, then shot himself.

Exactly. Conspiracy theorists will make a conspiracy out of absolutely anything at all. Please someone tell me what would be the benefit of faking this incident and for what motives?

Well, I'm no conspiracy theorist, but given the fact that Hillary Clinton and Obama both immediately jumped on the gun control wagon, yet again, I would say a lot stands to benefit. Of course, the rational side of me thinks that Hillary jumped on it so quickly because she wanted to use this tragedy to deflect some of the heat away from her email mess. She is heartless.

WOW...do you think before you write stuff like this? Of course they would, they're for gun control and this tragedy represents an opportunity for them to point the finger and say "see, guns are bad, we need to control them!"

The fact that you can try to spin their logical response into a weave of conspiracy theory that has zero logic or motive or reason behind it is hilarious (first) and sad (second).

Reporter shooting fake?

m.liveleak.com/view?i=b0c_1440615353


The person who posted this video implies a tone of inaccuracies too. The station was just reporting on a shooting drill at college, they weren't in on it or "working with authorities". There are impacts, you can see the woman's body move in reaction.

What conspiracy, what reason for "faking" this would exist? That's one key bit of information that no one can seem to come up with...

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August 27, 2015, 08:41:00 PM
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I was going to post about this. I find it incredibly sick that people who love her are talking on the news all day... and tweeting about it, etc.

But it "could" be real. Don't you think it's a bit sad that we have to wonder if it's real or not?

Here's a couple videos to check out:

Virginia Shooting Hoax Agenda 'We’ve Got to Do Something About Crazy People Getting Guns’

Virginia WDBJ Shooting Hoax FULLY Exposed! Complete Breakdown Of The Event - 100% Busted

You may not belief everything you hear, but there's some good discussion about tweets and video.
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I was going to post about this. I find it incredibly sick that people who love her are talking on the news all day... and tweeting about it, etc.

But it "could" be real. Don't you think it's a bit sad that we have to wonder if it's real or not?

Here's a couple videos to check out:

Virginia Shooting Hoax Agenda 'We’ve Got to Do Something About Crazy People Getting Guns’

Virginia WDBJ Shooting Hoax FULLY Exposed! Complete Breakdown Of The Event - 100% Busted

You may not belief everything you hear, but there's some good discussion about tweets and video.

Dude, you just posted links to the people who produced the live leak video talking about their video...of course they're going to support there bullshit conspiracy claims.

They probably could see someone standing there, out of the "corner of their eye" but could easily not see that there was a gun (since they would never expect there to be one) and they're not going to stop the interview just because someone walks up. That kind of stuff happens all the time when a newscast is being broadcast.

I can explain away all of the points that they're spending the entire discussion repeating.

The only thing that's suspect about this is that there were people ready to claim "hoax" within 48 hours of it happening...almost like they were waiting for anything to come along to use as an opportunity to gain some fame. These guys disgrace Canada!

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August 27, 2015, 09:27:36 PM
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Because it didn't look like it does in movies it must be fake.

Right?

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August 27, 2015, 11:10:04 PM
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I can explain away all of the points that they're spending the entire discussion repeating.

Sometimes you have to take a step back and look at something again in a different light to get better picture. Whether or not you can explain everything that anyone could bring up... people will argue their way for eternity on a multitude of issues.

But put yourself in the place of the father or the fiance. Then think about being on interview after interview the day or day after you learned she had died. The finance seemed to even have a smile in one.

I certainly wouldn't want to be a loved one of either of them.

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I lost my dog last year, and I had to take care of her, and bring her to the vet, and I cried and cried, I could not even think about doing anything else but lying in bed crying. How can these people think about going on air the day of.....and smiling.

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August 27, 2015, 11:47:17 PM
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I should invest in tinfoil instead of Bitcoins... with all these conspiracy theorists, I could make a fortune....

Could well be a .22 gun. If you take the video and analyse the frames, you see that a bullet is moving her clothes. So there is an impact. And for all the desktop-soldiers who know shooting wounds only from their video games: If you hit the stomach with a .22 bullet, the victim isn't killed immedeately. Also, there is normally not a lot of blood splattering around as you may know it from video games. Often, the bleeding starts after some seconds because the projectile hasn't so much velocity on impact with a smaller gun and the there is a compression of the structures when the bullet enters.

In this video, it looks as if the first shoot hit the lower abdomen, i.e. the inner organs were hit. This doesn't kill immedeately, but will easily kill you.

And just use some logics: IF this were a conspiracy (with what goal???), there would be many persons involved. Four on the spot of the crime. All relatives. All employees. A lot of cops. All this only to make a political statement regarding gun controls? That is just plain paranoia...
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August 28, 2015, 12:30:16 AM
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So, all of these people were in on it and now 3 people have to change their identities and move far away to perpetuate the hoax.

Or...one guy shot 3 people, one of which survived, then shot himself.

Exactly. Conspiracy theorists will make a conspiracy out of absolutely anything at all. Please someone tell me what would be the benefit of faking this incident and for what motives?

Well, I'm no conspiracy theorist, but given the fact that Hillary Clinton and Obama both immediately jumped on the gun control wagon, yet again, I would say a lot stands to benefit. Of course, the rational side of me thinks that Hillary jumped on it so quickly because she wanted to use this tragedy to deflect some of the heat away from her email mess. She is heartless.

WOW...do you think before you write stuff like this? Of course they would, they're for gun control and this tragedy represents an opportunity for them to point the finger and say "see, guns are bad, we need to control them!"

The fact that you can try to spin their logical response into a weave of conspiracy theory that has zero logic or motive or reason behind it is hilarious (first) and sad (second).

Reporter shooting fake?

m.liveleak.com/view?i=b0c_1440615353


The person who posted this video implies a tone of inaccuracies too. The station was just reporting on a shooting drill at college, they weren't in on it or "working with authorities". There are impacts, you can see the woman's body move in reaction.

What conspiracy, what reason for "faking" this would exist? That's one key bit of information that no one can seem to come up with...

I guess reading comprehension isn't your strong point. Did you miss the part where I said I'm not a conspiracy theorist? Did you fail to comprehend that I said Hillary and Obama are using it to further their agenda? That's the same exact thing you said in your failed rebuttal, just worded differently.
The fact that you failed to comprehend what I wrote and immediately tried to spin it to make me seem like a conspiracy nut is, in your words, hilarious and sad. Maybe next time you should make sure you understand what a person wrote before you jump in and throw insults.

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August 28, 2015, 07:10:23 AM
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I should invest in tinfoil instead of Bitcoins... with all these conspiracy theorists, I could make a fortune....

Could well be a .22 gun. If you take the video and analyse the frames, you see that a bullet is moving her clothes. So there is an impact. And for all the desktop-soldiers who know shooting wounds only from their video games: If you hit the stomach with a .22 bullet, the victim isn't killed immedeately. Also, there is normally not a lot of blood splattering around as you may know it from video games. Often, the bleeding starts after some seconds because the projectile hasn't so much velocity on impact with a smaller gun and the there is a compression of the structures when the bullet enters.

In this video, it looks as if the first shoot hit the lower abdomen, i.e. the inner organs were hit. This doesn't kill immedeately, but will easily kill you.

And just use some logics: IF this were a conspiracy (with what goal???), there would be many persons involved. Four on the spot of the crime. All relatives. All employees. A lot of cops. All this only to make a political statement regarding gun controls? That is just plain paranoia...

It was a Glock 9mm seen in the video, not a .22
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I should invest in tinfoil instead of Bitcoins... with all these conspiracy theorists, I could make a fortune....

Could well be a .22 gun. If you take the video and analyse the frames, you see that a bullet is moving her clothes. So there is an impact. And for all the desktop-soldiers who know shooting wounds only from their video games: If you hit the stomach with a .22 bullet, the victim isn't killed immedeately. Also, there is normally not a lot of blood splattering around as you may know it from video games. Often, the bleeding starts after some seconds because the projectile hasn't so much velocity on impact with a smaller gun and the there is a compression of the structures when the bullet enters.

In this video, it looks as if the first shoot hit the lower abdomen, i.e. the inner organs were hit. This doesn't kill immedeately, but will easily kill you.

And just use some logics: IF this were a conspiracy (with what goal???), there would be many persons involved. Four on the spot of the crime. All relatives. All employees. A lot of cops. All this only to make a political statement regarding gun controls? That is just plain paranoia...

It was a Glock 9mm seen in the video, not a .22


You most probably are right. And this would also explain why there's no blood visible and why the shoots were deadly. There are, of course, a lot of factors when you examine the wound of a shooting. However, a good base in forensics is the vulnerability index. A 9mm bullet in laboratory conditions has its biggest effect about 5 centimeters in the body. Then, the bullet loses most of energy. For those who are interested: There's a lot of scientific material available regarding "relative incapacitation index". This is partly outdated, but gives an idea about the effectivity of bullets. In correlation with the "vulnerability index", you will understand why the reality hasn't a lot to do what we see in movies and games.
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Congress is remain silent on Gun Control. What they are waiting for? Such tragedies should not happen with anyone.

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Congress is remain silent on Gun Control. What they are waiting for? Such tragedies should not happen with anyone.

They are also silent on anti-depressant control.

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This clearly isn't a hoax. If you think this looks fake, you need to re-evaluate what you expect would look real, because you're out of touch with reality.

The "blood splatter" you're expecting simply doesn't happen in real life; unless the end of the muzzle is very close to the point of impact, where the rapidly expanding gasses leave the barrel at a high velocity and deflect, imparting additional energy, and displacing additional blood and small pieces of tissue. Even then, it would only be a small amount of blood for the vast majority of handgun calibers. It's based on the lb/ft. energy of the projectile (a factor of velocity and mass), the penetration distance of peak energy transference (a factor of velocity and coefficient of friction, which varies by the physical geometry and material properties of the projectile, and slightly by the mass of the projectile where an increase in inertia will increase the "area under the curve" mathematically speaking when graphing these relationships, while not necessarily affecting the peak energy transfer by an appreciable amount), and the anatomical structure of the impact location (fat tissue, muscle tissue, and bone will all react differently). You simply won't get the Hollywood effect in real life, not with anything much less powerful than a .308... Nobody goes hunting anymore, I guess it's easy to understand how Hollywood grabs so many imaginations. I suppose every car that falls off a cliff explodes too, right?

The shooter and the target victim were co-workers, the reporter who fell victim was in a secret office relationship; engaged to another co-worker. The camera man and the third (wounded but surviving) victim weren't the intended targets, rather they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. This wasn't some random killing, where gun control could even conceptually make a difference. This was an act of desperation by a deranged man who wanted the world to see his wrath unfold, for whatever yet unknown reason...

He worked for the news station, waited for a live broadcast, attempted murder on three people, killing two and critically wounding the third. Had he not used a gun, this broadcast would have been orders of magnitude more graphic, and the victims would have suffered. This murder couldn't have been stopped, the weapon was simply a choice for the killer who premeditated the murder. I don't see how this murder could've been prevented, unless the victim actually noticed early warning signs before the crime. Aside from having an awareness of a threat, and taking steps preeminently to protect yourself, sometimes it's only a question of "when" and not "if". Gun control isn't even a factor in this scenario...

The conspiracy theories surrounding the obvious and easily verifiable cases like this one, in my opinion, are likely fabricated in order to discount the veracity of other legitimate conspiracy theories; divide-and-conquer. The fact that some news publications don't fact check only results in inconsistent reporting, the spread of inaccurate information, and the misdirection of some individuals who can't sort through the conflicting information...

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REAL LOVE MATTERS - THE VIRGINIA SHOOTING TRUTH!

First image is the news reporter on a trip in 2013, and the second one is her with her fiance (that image was uploaded 6 days ago - but wait he was only going out with her for half a year right? They didn't have time to have an anniversary, which would have meant a whole year.) Did she seriously wear the same outfit and same hat and take the same tube (notice the 'C' on the tube in both pics) on a couple years later?





Video: From Twitter "Delete footage" WDBJ7 Hoax

Update: Virginia police order BBC journalists to delete footage of suspected shooter's crash

"BBC reporters Franz Strasser and Tara McKelvey encountered a big obstacle in their coverage of a double slaying of journalists at a Virginia mall.

The two reporters were covering the manhunt of the suspected shooter when they were ordered to delete footage by police....."


BBC journalists covering Virginia shooting 'threatened by police,' forced to delete footage

" Two BBC journalists say they were threatened by Virginia police after filming the scene where gunman Bryce Williams crashed and shot himself on Wednesday. They say a cop threatened to confiscate their camera and car if they did not delete their footage.

White House reporter Tara McKelvey and videojournalist Fraz Strasser were among the first to arrive at the scene on I-66, where Bryce Williams – also known as Vester Flanagan – crashed his vehicle and shot himself hours after killing journalists Alison Parker and Adam Ward during a live news broadcast in Virginia.

Strasser tweeted that he and McKelvey were told the footage “could be evidence,” and that they were forced to delete it. He added that a cop by the name of Officer Clark threatened to tow their car because it was apparently illegally parked....."
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August 29, 2015, 06:01:23 PM
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This discussion is hilarious.

All the "funny details" to support the hoax are easy to explain away. I won't go into all of them, but here's a few on the recent claims: The anniversary could have been for the first session hanging out (rather than the first romantic date), or all of us might not know exactly how long they were dating (which is much more probable), wearing the same thing for rafting is probable because these people may not go rafting often (anyone who has gone rafting knows that are are specific, dedicated shirts and jackets (he's wearing a rafting jacket in one photo), who doesn't where the same hat over and over again, and the "C" on the raft is similar because they probably went back to the same rafting service for the anniversary.

As for the "smile" - the boyfriend isn't smiling in this screenshot of the same interview:


Plus, the boyfriend is trained to be on TV and the relationship was young and new...you don't know how deep the feelings really were. It's possible that in a time of tragedy the love for someone can seem greater than it may have actually been (completely speculating here), especially if they weren't talking about it much to anyone. P.S. the guy standing next to him is the Station Manager not the woman's father...get your few facts straight.

The only thing that's logical here is that people will come up with whatever excuses and rationale they need to prove their theory...and I include myself in this category.

Fortunately for me and everyone else that realizes this is a major tragedy is that we have video proof that this mentally ill terrorist shot the female reporter and pointed the gun at the cameraman. We also have the support that people giving up their lives for some yet-to-be-determined motive to make a hoax out of this is incredibly illogical.

You all should be ashamed for pouncing on this as an opportunity to get some attention. Go back to the 9/11 truther's threads...

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Plus, the boyfriend is trained to be on TV and the relationship was young and new...you don't know how deep the feelings really were. It's possible that in a time of tragedy the love for someone can seem greater than it may have actually been (completely speculating here), especially if they weren't talking about it much to anyone. P.S. the guy standing next to him is the Station Manager not the woman's father...get your few facts straight.

The only thing that's logical here is that people will come up with whatever excuses and rationale they need to prove their theory...and I include myself in this category.

Fortunately for me and everyone else that realizes this is a major tragedy is that we have video proof that this mentally ill terrorist shot the female reporter and pointed the gun at the cameraman. We also have the support that people giving up their lives for some yet-to-be-determined motive to make a hoax out of this is incredibly illogical.

You all should be ashamed for pouncing on this as an opportunity to get some attention. Go back to the 9/11 truther's threads...

The father was on tv the first day, so get your facts straight. I didn't say he was in the picture. The picture clearly said it was the station manager.

It is indeed a shame that people use this as an opportunity to get some attention.
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August 29, 2015, 07:31:37 PM
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Cui bono? This questions remains unanswered, and all the people shouting "hoax" should really get a newer version of a tinfoil hat...



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August 30, 2015, 02:34:25 AM
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So, all of these people were in on it and now 3 people have to change their identities and move far away to perpetuate the hoax.

Or...one guy shot 3 people, one of which survived, then shot himself.

Exactly. Conspiracy theorists will make a conspiracy out of absolutely anything at all. Please someone tell me what would be the benefit of faking this incident and for what motives?
For the liberals to push their gun control motives.

I don't think it was faked though, there are enough people who are very high profile that would make this nearly impossible to fake because the people killed would be easily recognized if spotted in public.

I think the likes of Obama will continue to take advantage of dead children to push his agenda
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I've been looking at these events with interest lately and they are coming 'fast and furious' so to speak.  To me is is highly probable that almost all are completely fake.

It is interesting to note that in the 2012 NDAA our leadership saw fit to 'modernize' (aka 'shitcan') the Smith-Mundt act of 1948 which placed limits on the types of psychological operations directly targetting the domestic population.  A thinking person has to ask why they would want to do that.  The explanation was something along the lines of needing to keep up with the propaganda offered by Islamic radicals.  Huh?

Sandy Hook was the event that really got people asking questions and got citizen journalists involved.  A lot of effort was put into it and a lot of information was produced which makes it nearly impossible to think anything other than that the event was a FEMA 'capstone' excersize which was passed off as live.  It would have been trivial for the authorities to have released any number of things which could have put these theories to rest but none of them have been forthcoming.  Occam's razor suggests that this is simply because nothing concrete exists because the event was fake.

The best two pieces I've seen on Sandy Hook are:

   CREATING REALITY: A TNN Redux of a Sofia Smallstorm

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   We Need to Talk about Sandy Hook

I would challenge anyone to watch these two presentations and not have some SERIOUS questions about the official narrative.  And if Sandy Hook was a psyop, one must consider pretty much everything presented by the mainstream media to be in question (which I personally already did.)  If people start immediately pushing an agenda (gun control, psychological surveillance, etc) within hours of an event that needs to be considered a red flag.


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I've been looking at these events with interest lately and they are coming 'fast and furious' so to speak.  To me is is highly probable that almost all are completely fake.

It is interesting to note that in the 2012 NDAA our leadership saw fit to 'modernize' (aka 'shitcan') the Smith-Mundt act of 1948 which placed limits on the types of psychological operations directly targetting the domestic population.  A thinking person has to ask why they would want to do that.  The explanation was something along the lines of needing to keep up with the propaganda offered by Islamic radicals.  Huh?

Sandy Hook was the event that really got people asking questions and got citizen journalists involved.  A lot of effort was put into it and a lot of information was produced which makes it nearly impossible to think anything other than that the event was a FEMA 'capstone' excersize which was passed off as live.  It would have been trivial for the authorities to have released any number of things which could have put these theories to rest but none of them have been forthcoming.  Occam's razor suggests that this is simply because nothing concrete exists because the event was fake.

The best two pieces I've seen on Sandy Hook are:

   CREATING REALITY: A TNN Redux of a Sofia Smallstorm

and

   We Need to Talk about Sandy Hook

I would challenge anyone to watch these two presentations and not have some SERIOUS questions about the official narrative.  And if Sandy Hook was a psyop, one must consider pretty much everything presented by the mainstream media to be in question (which I personally already did.)  If people start immediately pushing an agenda (gun control, psychological surveillance, etc) within hours of an event that needs to be considered a red flag.



It's also a little hard to believe people are ok with the police telling these people to delete evidence:

Update: Virginia police order BBC journalists to delete footage of suspected shooter's crash

"....The BBC reporters, Strasser and McKelvey, were reporting from the scene of the crash when they were told by police to delete their video footage....."

"...According to Strasser's Twitter feed, the reporters were left with only low-quality iPhone footage. He has since been able to recover a few of the images and audio until the officer made sure the footage was deleted...."
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Keli Kohlmeier woke up with a gun pointed at her head at the time of the hoax. The FBI and ATF were there to make sure she didn't see anything. She thought that they were checking to make sure the shooter wasn't in the apartment with them. (There's no way ATF and FBI get there that early without knowing it would happen).

Watch her original video interview on tv here: TV Interview

Then watch her start to believe that it really was a conspiracy: Virginia Shooting witness Keli Kohlmeier Interview Reuploaded

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Sorry the link in the previous post got taken down, and re-uploaded. It's now up again here: Virginia Shooting witness Keli Kohlmeier Interview Reuploaded
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Sorry the link in the previous post got taken down, and re-uploaded. It's now up again here: Virginia Shooting witness Keli Kohlmeier Interview Reuploaded

If this woman is not for real she is the best actor ever.  Thanks MMH for the link, and thanks to Professor Doom1 for doing good work in follow-up.  This work gives great insight into some of the methods employed in some of these operations and the human elements of their targeting.

On a tangent, the event and the two persons drawn out in this tiny little side-branch say some worthwhile things about substance abuse.  Both individuals lives would doubtlessly be different (and better) had they refrained.  I've watched Doom's stuff for a while now and have not trouble imagining him having had such problems.  It's good to see an example of someone channeling his energies (and likely his anger toward the system) in a productive way that is benefiting society.


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Sorry the link in the previous post got taken down, and re-uploaded. It's now up again here: Virginia Shooting witness Keli Kohlmeier Interview Reuploaded

If this woman is not for real she is the best actor ever.  Thanks MMH for the link, and thanks to Professor Doom1 for doing good work in follow-up.  This work gives great insight into some of the methods employed in some of these operations and the human elements of their targeting.

On a tangent, the event and the two persons drawn out in this tiny little side-branch say some worthwhile things about substance abuse.  Both individuals lives would doubtlessly be different (and better) had they refrained.  I've watched Doom's stuff for a while now and have not trouble imagining him having had such problems.  It's good to see an example of someone channeling his energies (and likely his anger toward the system) in a productive way that is benefiting society.



No problem. It was a really enlightening conversation and well worth the listen. Also, it shines a light on not judging a book by it's cover and digging deeper to find the truth. Luckily, she was willing to have a conversation with him after the first video. You see, what most people will do, is to be so hurt they won't listen to someone trying to explain where they came from. Everyone can take a little lesson from their books and see how actually communicating through the anger and hurt can lead to insights.

I mean this in the most general of senses. For example married couples can either ignore the hurts and pains and lead separate lives while in the same house because they love each other, or they can communicate through the troubles they have and grow closer together. These people don't even know each other and communicating the way a married couple should in that sense, by explaining where they came from, and why they reacted the way they did and I think they both learned something from it.

Sadly, she learned that the people in power used her as a pawn, but so is life. Wink
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Sadly, she learned that the people in power used her as a pawn, but so is life. Wink

True that.  Probably one of the most effective ways to 'progress' as a society is to make it recognizable how easy and how common it is for this to happen.  And how hierarchical this use probably is (meaning that so many people at different stations in life are similarly impacted.)  Looking back at my own beliefs and actions over the years I see countless examples of having been used this way, and I am sure that they continue to this day.  Seeing the mechanisms by which this happens makes it more understandable and less humiliating.


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As for the "smile" - the boyfriend isn't smiling in this screenshot of the same interview:




Notice how they both raise the opposite eyebrow to convey a feeling! You guys got this all figured out I beliebe!
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Video: Virginia Witness Interview#2 She told the truth the proof

Talks more about the cops etc being there waaaaay too early for a real shooting. He also calls someone else to corroborate.
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September 16, 2015, 08:20:15 PM
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So, all of these people were in on it and now 3 people have to change their identities and move far away to perpetuate the hoax.

Or...one guy shot 3 people, one of which survived, then shot himself.

As for the lack of movie/TV/video game blood splatter, it appears that he used a small caliber weapon. The longer video records 14 shots after that short video. Even when he tried to shoot himself in the head he survived long enough to be taken to the hospital. Obviously something like a 9mm that does not leave a huge exit wound and likely does not even go all the way through the body.
This is not accurate.

You would have to get to .22 to expect those characteristics.

Projectile velocity and shape is more important than caliber. 9mm can be had anywhere from 800 fps to 1300+ fps, and full jacketed vs hollow point, etc.

My gun knowledge is very sparse so I will defer to you on that one. Same concept though, it took almost 20 shots to kill 2 people so obviously not high caliber.

The blood splatter is mostly movie stuff. Bullet wounds I have seen start with a clean hole then drain blood. Any splatter is contained under the clothing. That it true for a high power rifle or a small caliber handgun. I thought it was reported that he used a .40 cal.? That is a fairly large round and would pass through your body. A 9mm. will also punch through unless one is using a deforming round. Many of us who conceal carry use deforming ammo so that the bullet does not go on to hit someone behind the target.

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