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September 06, 2015, 06:03:02 AM
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However, as far as I know, among the homosexuals, it is more like a norm. Married homosexuals frequently engage in sexual activity with complete strangers, and no one thinks that it is unethical.

Maybe because it's currently considered "taboo" by the majority of the population (christians look down on homosexuality), so you "take what you can get".

That will change as religion dies and homosexuality becomes considered just another lifestyle - like pork or heavy metal.  Eventually there will be no taboo against gay relationships, so people won't have to take what they can get - anonymous strangers.

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September 06, 2015, 06:45:06 AM
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I've probably had sex with 30 or more partners in my lifetime.  20 of those were probably strangers (known less than a week), so well over one half.

That doesn't mean if I settle down I have a 95% chance to leave my partner. 

In case of heterosexuals, this is quite rare. May be the lucky 5% or the 10% might be able to get a dozen or more partners. You seems to be one of those lucky guys.  Grin And it is quite rare for married heterosexuals to have physical relations with strangers.

However, as far as I know, among the homosexuals, it is more like a norm. Married homosexuals frequently engage in sexual activity with complete strangers, and no one thinks that it is unethical.
What exactly is unethical about it?  If everybody involved is consenting and enjoying it then who is it hurting?  Seems like a win/win situation.  Even if you're personally against it for whatever reason, your random rules don't override the fact that they have the right to marry. 


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September 06, 2015, 06:49:24 AM
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What exactly is unethical about it?  If everybody involved is consenting and enjoying it then who is it hurting?  Seems like a win/win situation.  Even if you're personally against it for whatever reason, your random rules don't override the fact that they have the right to marry. 

Married people should stay faithful to their spouses. If you want to have physical relationship with different partners every single day, then either don't marry, or get a divorce (in case you are already married). I would support their "right to marry", if someone gives me proof that they will stay faithful to their partners after the marriage.
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September 07, 2015, 02:00:18 AM
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What exactly is unethical about it?  If everybody involved is consenting and enjoying it then who is it hurting?  Seems like a win/win situation.  Even if you're personally against it for whatever reason, your random rules don't override the fact that they have the right to marry. 

Married people should stay faithful to their spouses. If you want to have physical relationship with different partners every single day, then either don't marry, or get a divorce (in case you are already married). I would support their "right to marry", if someone gives me proof that they will stay faithful to their partners after the marriage.

You keep saying they should remain faithful [only] to their spouses, but haven't really backed it up with a reason yet.  People like to fuck, a lot, sometimes with different people.  They also find somebody that they love and want to spend the rest of their life with.  I see no reason why these two things need to be mutually exclusive.

Straight people don't have to prove they're going to stay with one person only, why arbitrarily make a point that there is too much somewhere between straight and LGBT people?

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September 07, 2015, 07:23:56 AM
Last edit: September 07, 2015, 07:56:30 AM by Swordsoffreedom
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You keep saying they should remain faithful [only] to their spouses, but haven't really backed it up with a reason yet.  People like to fuck, a lot, sometimes with different people.  They also find somebody that they love and want to spend the rest of their life with.  I see no reason why these two things need to be mutually exclusive.

It would be de-facto argumentation to legalize polygamy if they are not faithful only to their spouses, if people being married still wanted to fuck with others of the same gender besides their spouse then that's legalizing polygamous marriage and given the statistics evidence does seem to be a reasonable burden of proof to marriage otherwise get common-law.

That said having too many partners does result in a significant increase in the risk of STD's and the differences in how sex is practiced between the LGBT community and the straight community especially in terms of the number of sexual partners show the impact these viewpoints have in the transmission of HIV/Aids.

While with gays the chance of having a wedlock kid who you don't know the father or mother of is 0 compared to sexually active heterosexuals that does not apply to Bi-sexual individuals who could spread STD's between sexes.

If a LGBT couple wishes to marry then they should remain monogamous and not implying that their should be a change the definition of marriage to include multiple partners (polygamy) or I guess divorce, extending from the topic of gay marriage the main reason blood transfusions are denied to the Gay community is because of the high risk of STD's and that remains true to this day even with more modern testing methods so there is a reason to ask for proof of faithfulness to their partners after marriage.


Straight people don't have to prove they're going to stay with one person only, why arbitrarily make a point that there is too much somewhere between straight and LGBT people?

There is evidence that correlates a difference between straight and LGBT groups in STD's and this is due to the increased partners they have and does NOT apply to heterosexual couples to the extent it does in the LGBT groupings where 2% represent 61% of HIV infections.

Why are some people, such as heterosexuals with multiple partners, allowed to donate blood despite increased risk for transmitting HIV and hepatitis?

Current scientific data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) indicate that, as a group, men who have sex with other men are at a higher risk for transmitting infectious diseases or HIV than are individuals in other risk categories. From 2007 through 2010, among adult and adolescent males, the annual number of diagnosed HIV infections attributed to MSM increased, while the numbers of infections attributed to other risks among males decreased. Among adult and adolescent females, the annual number of diagnosed HIV infections attributed to injection drug use and heterosexual contact both decreased.

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/BloodBloodProducts/QuestionsaboutBlood/ucm108186.htm

A history of male-to-male sex is associated with an increased risk for exposure to and transmission of certain infectious diseases, including HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. Men who have had sex with other men represent approximately 2% of the US population, yet are the population most severely affected by HIV. In 2010, MSM accounted for at least 61% of all new HIV infections in the U.S. and an estimated 77% of diagnosed HIV infections among males were attributed to male-to-male sexual contact. Between 2008 and 2010, the estimated overall incidence of HIV was stable in the U.S. However the incidence in MSM increased 12%, while it decreased in other populations. The largest increase was a 22% increase in MSM aged 13 to 24 years. Since younger individuals are more likely to donate blood, the implications of this increase in incidence need to be further evaluated.


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September 07, 2015, 02:58:47 PM
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Ms Davis, who has said she is obeying "God's law," has been taken into custody by US Marshalls.

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She is being paid and she is not doing her job.  Since you can't fire her, throw her worthless ass in jail.


Why can't they fire her? I think that's exactly what should have happened. Getting thrown in jail for this is overkill.

What exactly is unethical about it?  If everybody involved is consenting and enjoying it then who is it hurting?  Seems like a win/win situation.  Even if you're personally against it for whatever reason, your random rules don't override the fact that they have the right to marry. 

Married people should stay faithful to their spouses. If you want to have physical relationship with different partners every single day, then either don't marry, or get a divorce (in case you are already married). I would support their "right to marry", if someone gives me proof that they will stay faithful to their partners after the marriage.

Marriage is a completely antiquated and outdated institution anyway. Humans aren't meant to be monogamous so when they try it's joke and just leads to cheating. It's very rare that a married couple will stay together their whole life and also not have cheated. Even the ones that do go the distance there's normally infidelity that one of that parties involved doesn't know about.

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