[ANN] Expanse (EXP) - 1st Stable fork of Ethereum (New Algo + PirlGuard)

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As for the reserve, 90% will be locked and released slowly over time no matter what, and this will be controlled by the Expanse Organization as a whole, not just the team. The time frame for this could be one year, five years, or whatever the community thinks is best. I personally think one year isn't long enough as it is likely funds will be spent as available on bounties and this could create an issue a year down the line, even if it is a year away. Although it is possible POS or something else might be implemented later, or perhaps voluntary mining percentage going to the community fund later. This would be up to the Expanse Organization as a whole. I personally prefer keeping it proof of work as many might not find out about this until years later, and I would like them to be able to mine it even then, but that is just my own view.

We are certainly open to suggestions on what time frame the community funds should be dispersed over, and it is critical that the community has control of them as laid out in the Organization plans. That is the point of smart contracts and having everything transparent.

Just remove it. Let core team take premine they want and that's all. You can't guarantee that reserve will be community reserve so it will be considered as more or less hidden premine.

Actually you can.

Code:

contract token { mapping (address => uint) public coinBalanceOf;   function token() { }   function sendCoin(address receiver, uint amount) returns(bool sufficient) {  } }


contract Democracy {

    uint public minimumQuorum;
    uint public debatingPeriod;
    token public voterShare;
    address public founder;
    Proposal[] public proposals;
    uint public numProposals;

    event ProposalAdded(uint proposalID, address recipient, uint amount, bytes32 data, string description);
    event Voted(uint proposalID, int position, address voter);
    event ProposalTallied(uint proposalID, int result, uint quorum, bool active);

    struct Proposal {
        address recipient;
        uint amount;
        bytes32 data;
        string description;
        uint creationDate;
        bool active;
        Vote[] votes;
        mapping (address => bool) voted;
    }

    struct Vote {
        int position;
        address voter;
    }

    function Democracy(token _voterShareAddress, uint _minimumQuorum, uint _debatingPeriod) {
        founder = msg.sender;  
        voterShare = token(_voterShareAddress);
        minimumQuorum = _minimumQuorum || 10;
        debatingPeriod = _debatingPeriod * 1 minutes || 30 days;
    }


    function newProposal(address _recipient, uint _amount, bytes32 _data, string _description) returns (uint proposalID) {
        if (voterShare.coinBalanceOf(msg.sender)>0) {
            proposalID = proposals.length++;
            Proposal p = proposals[proposalID];
            p.recipient = _recipient;
            p.amount = _amount;
            p.data = _data;
            p.description = _description;
            p.creationDate = now;
            p.active = true;
            ProposalAdded(proposalID, _recipient, _amount, _data, _description);
            numProposals = proposalID+1;
        }
    }

    function vote(uint _proposalID, int _position) returns (uint voteID){
        if (voterShare.coinBalanceOf(msg.sender)>0 && (_position >= -1 || _position <= 1 )) {
            Proposal p = proposals[_proposalID];
            if (p.voted[msg.sender] == true) return;
            voteID = p.votes.length++;
            p.votes[voteID] = Vote({position: _position, voter: msg.sender});
            p.voted[msg.sender] = true;
            Voted(_proposalID,  _position, msg.sender);
        }
    }

    function executeProposal(uint _proposalID) returns (int result) {
        Proposal p = proposals[_proposalID];
        /* Check if debating period is over */
        if (now > (p.creationDate + debatingPeriod) && p.active){   
            uint quorum = 0;
            /* tally the votes */
            for (uint i = 0; i <  p.votes.length; ++i) {
                Vote v = p.votes[i];
                uint voteWeight = voterShare.coinBalanceOf(v.voter); 
                quorum += voteWeight;
                result += int(voteWeight) * v.position;
            }
            /* execute result */
            if (quorum > minimumQuorum && result > 0 ) {
                p.recipient.call.value(p.amount)(p.data);
                p.active = false;
            } else if (quorum > minimumQuorum && result < 0) {
                p.active = false;
            }
            ProposalTallied(_proposalID, result, quorum, p.active);
        }
    }
}

This is just the basic example provided by Ethereum.. and not to cast stones or anything but... even the Ethereum reserve contract doesnt use a DAO like we are.

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[Zackgeno96]

what time will the test net launch be happening tomorrow, looking forward to test mining this kinda had a hard time setting up miners for eth hopefully this will be more clear and a little simpler 

[defaced]

And Ethereum had 12m ETH in their simple multisig premine reserve contract.. which they have already withdrew 7m :x

Our DAO contract limits the withdraw to 1% of the total contract balance per 24 hours.

Furthermore, Anyone trying to discredit our network by claiming its just a clone blahblahbalh is painfully ignorant to the nature of the ETH codebase. ETH was specifically designed to give anyone the ability to create their own chain with relative ease. They even encourage users to create their own private network if ETH's parameters dont fit their needs.. and ETH doesnt fit my needs so I'm creating EXP.

[randywald]

1. Mine as much as you can
2. Dump when price pumps
3. Next clone please

Lots of money will be made. It's like we are back in 2013 with all the litecoin clones.

That's just how i see it, don't get mad at me .

[NextGenCrypto]

And Ethereum had 12m ETH in their simple multisig premine reserve contract.. which they have already withdrew 7m :x

Our DAO contract limits the withdraw to 1% of the total contract balance per 24 hours.

Furthermore, Anyone trying to discredit our network by claiming its just a clone blahblahbalh is painfully ignorant to the nature of the ETH codebase. ETH was specifically designed to give anyone the ability to create their own chain with relative ease. They even encourage users to create their own private network if ETH's parameters dont fit their needs.. and ETH doesnt fit my needs so I'm creating EXP.

And taking a ridiculous premine which will stun the growth of the coin.  We don't care how you hold it.  The fact of the matter is that you're being greedy.  End of story.

[defaced]

And Ethereum had 12m ETH in their simple multisig premine reserve contract.. which they have already withdrew 7m :x

Our DAO contract limits the withdraw to 1% of the total contract balance per 24 hours.

Furthermore, Anyone trying to discredit our network by claiming its just a clone blahblahbalh is painfully ignorant to the nature of the ETH codebase. ETH was specifically designed to give anyone the ability to create their own chain with relative ease. They even encourage users to create their own private network if ETH's parameters dont fit their needs.. and ETH doesnt fit my needs so I'm creating EXP.

And taking a ridiculous premine which will stun the growth of the coin.  We don't care how you hold it.  The fact of the matter is that you're being greedy.  End of story.

1) Expanse isnt a "coin" its a tokenized dapp platform
2) You keep missing the point. No central authority is holding it. You, if you choose to participate in the network, will be one of many holding it and actively deciding how it gets spent.

[CowboyKiller]

1) Expanse isnt a "coin" its a tokenized dapp platform
2) You keep missing the point. No central authority is holding it. You, if you choose to participate in the network, will be one of many holding it and actively deciding how it gets spent.

You guys continue to dodge the questions about the 1.1 million coins you will have in your hands ready to dump on first exchange. Put your money where your mouth is. Delete the 1.1 million part you have up front, entirely. Go with 100% contract only community vote released over time fund and this might not be DOA.

[NextGenCrypto]

And Ethereum had 12m ETH in their simple multisig premine reserve contract.. which they have already withdrew 7m :x

Our DAO contract limits the withdraw to 1% of the total contract balance per 24 hours.

Furthermore, Anyone trying to discredit our network by claiming its just a clone blahblahbalh is painfully ignorant to the nature of the ETH codebase. ETH was specifically designed to give anyone the ability to create their own chain with relative ease. They even encourage users to create their own private network if ETH's parameters dont fit their needs.. and ETH doesnt fit my needs so I'm creating EXP.

And taking a ridiculous premine which will stun the growth of the coin.  We don't care how you hold it.  The fact of the matter is that you're being greedy.  End of story.

1) Expanse isnt a "coin" its a tokenized dapp platform
2) You keep missing the point. No central authority is holding it. You, if you choose to participate in the network, will be one of many holding it and actively deciding how it gets spent.

Then why are you posting in the "Alternate cryptocurrencies" section?  It's a fucking altcoin.

[fartbags]

As for the reserve, 90% will be locked and released slowly over time no matter what, and this will be controlled by the Expanse Organization as a whole, not just the team. The time frame for this could be one year, five years, or whatever the community thinks is best. I personally think one year isn't long enough as it is likely funds will be spent as available on bounties and this could create an issue a year down the line, even if it is a year away. Although it is possible POS or something else might be implemented later, or perhaps voluntary mining percentage going to the community fund later. This would be up to the Expanse Organization as a whole. I personally prefer keeping it proof of work as many might not find out about this until years later, and I would like them to be able to mine it even then, but that is just my own view.

We are certainly open to suggestions on what time frame the community funds should be dispersed over, and it is critical that the community has control of them as laid out in the Organization plans. That is the point of smart contracts and having everything transparent.

Just remove it. Let core team take premine they want and that's all. You can't guarantee that reserve will be community reserve so it will be considered as more or less hidden premine.

Actually you can.

Code:

contract token { mapping (address => uint) public coinBalanceOf;   function token() { }   function sendCoin(address receiver, uint amount) returns(bool sufficient) {  } }


contract Democracy {

    uint public minimumQuorum;
    uint public debatingPeriod;
    token public voterShare;
    address public founder;
    Proposal[] public proposals;
    uint public numProposals;

    event ProposalAdded(uint proposalID, address recipient, uint amount, bytes32 data, string description);
    event Voted(uint proposalID, int position, address voter);
    event ProposalTallied(uint proposalID, int result, uint quorum, bool active);

    struct Proposal {
        address recipient;
        uint amount;
        bytes32 data;
        string description;
        uint creationDate;
        bool active;
        Vote[] votes;
        mapping (address => bool) voted;
    }

    struct Vote {
        int position;
        address voter;
    }

    function Democracy(token _voterShareAddress, uint _minimumQuorum, uint _debatingPeriod) {
        founder = msg.sender;  
        voterShare = token(_voterShareAddress);
        minimumQuorum = _minimumQuorum || 10;
        debatingPeriod = _debatingPeriod * 1 minutes || 30 days;
    }


    function newProposal(address _recipient, uint _amount, bytes32 _data, string _description) returns (uint proposalID) {
        if (voterShare.coinBalanceOf(msg.sender)>0) {
            proposalID = proposals.length++;
            Proposal p = proposals[proposalID];
            p.recipient = _recipient;
            p.amount = _amount;
            p.data = _data;
            p.description = _description;
            p.creationDate = now;
            p.active = true;
            ProposalAdded(proposalID, _recipient, _amount, _data, _description);
            numProposals = proposalID+1;
        }
    }

    function vote(uint _proposalID, int _position) returns (uint voteID){
        if (voterShare.coinBalanceOf(msg.sender)>0 && (_position >= -1 || _position <= 1 )) {
            Proposal p = proposals[_proposalID];
            if (p.voted[msg.sender] == true) return;
            voteID = p.votes.length++;
            p.votes[voteID] = Vote({position: _position, voter: msg.sender});
            p.voted[msg.sender] = true;
            Voted(_proposalID,  _position, msg.sender);
        }
    }

    function executeProposal(uint _proposalID) returns (int result) {
        Proposal p = proposals[_proposalID];
        /* Check if debating period is over */
        if (now > (p.creationDate + debatingPeriod) && p.active){   
            uint quorum = 0;
            /* tally the votes */
            for (uint i = 0; i <  p.votes.length; ++i) {
                Vote v = p.votes[i];
                uint voteWeight = voterShare.coinBalanceOf(v.voter); 
                quorum += voteWeight;
                result += int(voteWeight) * v.position;
            }
            /* execute result */
            if (quorum > minimumQuorum && result > 0 ) {
                p.recipient.call.value(p.amount)(p.data);
                p.active = false;
            } else if (quorum > minimumQuorum && result < 0) {
                p.active = false;
            }
            ProposalTallied(_proposalID, result, quorum, p.active);
        }
    }
}

This is just the basic example provided by Ethereum.. and not to cast stones or anything but... even the Ethereum reserve contract doesnt use a DAO like we are.

Some people just don't understand how much better Ethereum is than BitCoin.

[defaced]

And Ethereum had 12m ETH in their simple multisig premine reserve contract.. which they have already withdrew 7m :x

Our DAO contract limits the withdraw to 1% of the total contract balance per 24 hours.

Furthermore, Anyone trying to discredit our network by claiming its just a clone blahblahbalh is painfully ignorant to the nature of the ETH codebase. ETH was specifically designed to give anyone the ability to create their own chain with relative ease. They even encourage users to create their own private network if ETH's parameters dont fit their needs.. and ETH doesnt fit my needs so I'm creating EXP.

And taking a ridiculous premine which will stun the growth of the coin.  We don't care how you hold it.  The fact of the matter is that you're being greedy.  End of story.

1) Expanse isnt a "coin" its a tokenized dapp platform
2) You keep missing the point. No central authority is holding it. You, if you choose to participate in the network, will be one of many holding it and actively deciding how it gets spent.

Then why are you posting in the "Alternate cryptocurrencies" section?  It's a fucking altcoin.

Because there isnt a "dapp platform" section. You should send Theymos a section if it hurts your feelings so bad.

[CryptoClub]

what time will the test net launch be happening tomorrow, looking forward to test mining this kinda had a hard time setting up miners for eth hopefully this will be more clear and a little simpler 

No time set for the test launch, but once everything is ready tomorrow. It should run for a couple days so there is no rush trying to test mine first. As this is just a test there is no value with anything mined with it, so don't worry about being early.

[Zackgeno96]

what time will the test net launch be happening tomorrow, looking forward to test mining this kinda had a hard time setting up miners for eth hopefully this will be more clear and a little simpler 

No time set for the test launch, but once everything is ready tomorrow. It should run for a couple days so there is no rush trying to test mine first. As this is just a test there is no value with anything mined with it, so don't worry about being early.

ya, i know there is basically no point to joining the test mine, but it gives me the chance to make sure i have my miners set up properly, when i tried to mine eth i struggled for a few days and just gave up, hoping this will be a lot smoother and hopefully me and my pea sized brain will be able to figure it out 

[defaced]

what time will the test net launch be happening tomorrow, looking forward to test mining this kinda had a hard time setting up miners for eth hopefully this will be more clear and a little simpler 

No time set for the test launch, but once everything is ready tomorrow. It should run for a couple days so there is no rush trying to test mine first. As this is just a test there is no value with anything mined with it, so don't worry about being early.

ya, i know there is basically no point to joining the test mine, but it gives me the chance to make sure i have my miners set up properly, when i tried to mine eth i struggled for a few days and just gave up, hoping this will be a lot smoother and hopefully me and my pea sized brain will be able to figure it out 

Well there is a point, to do exactly what you said ^_^ get your mining gear ready and everything.

[Rage19420]

what time will the test net launch be happening tomorrow, looking forward to test mining this kinda had a hard time setting up miners for eth hopefully this will be more clear and a little simpler 

No time set for the test launch, but once everything is ready tomorrow. It should run for a couple days so there is no rush trying to test mine first. As this is just a test there is no value with anything mined with it, so don't worry about being early.

ya, i know there is basically no point to joining the test mine, but it gives me the chance to make sure i have my miners set up properly, when i tried to mine eth i struggled for a few days and just gave up, hoping this will be a lot smoother and hopefully me and my pea sized brain will be able to figure it out 

Here a tutorial for solo mining ether coins: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1155284.msg12306597#msg12306597

It has bat files too.

[Zackgeno96]

what time will the test net launch be happening tomorrow, looking forward to test mining this kinda had a hard time setting up miners for eth hopefully this will be more clear and a little simpler  

No time set for the test launch, but once everything is ready tomorrow. It should run for a couple days so there is no rush trying to test mine first. As this is just a test there is no value with anything mined with it, so don't worry about being early.

ya, i know there is basically no point to joining the test mine, but it gives me the chance to make sure i have my miners set up properly, when i tried to mine eth i struggled for a few days and just gave up, hoping this will be a lot smoother and hopefully me and my pea sized brain will be able to figure it out  

Here a tutorial for solo mining ether coins: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1155284.msg12306597#msg12306597

It has bat files too.

thanks that really helps!, but when i was trying to mine eth there was only 30 gigs on the network, last time i checked there was 400GH+? im not sure if it's still as high but that's pretty insane for cpu power only.... so i stopped bothering with it, the one random pool feature really boggled my mind somuch $ invested into a project without a dedicated mining pool/server...  

[Rage19420]

what time will the test net launch be happening tomorrow, looking forward to test mining this kinda had a hard time setting up miners for eth hopefully this will be more clear and a little simpler 

No time set for the test launch, but once everything is ready tomorrow. It should run for a couple days so there is no rush trying to test mine first. As this is just a test there is no value with anything mined with it, so don't worry about being early.

ya, i know there is basically no point to joining the test mine, but it gives me the chance to make sure i have my miners set up properly, when i tried to mine eth i struggled for a few days and just gave up, hoping this will be a lot smoother and hopefully me and my pea sized brain will be able to figure it out 

Here a tutorial for solo mining ether coins: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1155284.msg12306597#msg12306597

It has bat files too.

thanks that really helps!, but when i was trying to mine eth there was only 30 gigs on the network, last time i checked there was 400GH+? im not sure if it's still as high but that's pretty insane for cpu power only.... so i stopped bothering with it

suprnova pool really helps for when the diff is gets too high. You basically just have to run the gpuminer and that's it. I struggled as well but i think I have it worked out pretty well now.

[forzendiablo]

this doesnt look like secure investment

[Zackgeno96]

this doesnt look like secure investment

what do you mean by that it's not like there asking for crowdfunding nor any ICO funds, so you really plan on not spending a few hours on what these talented people of the crypto community have to bring to the table? i would be ashamed if i missed another great project such as this i for one am excited as hell....

[abstractednerve]

this doesnt look like secure investment

whats a secure investment to you m8? bot, exclusive coin, mapcoin, and negativity?

[kadrek]

Anyone have a link to a miner for AMD cards, and a guide about how to mine with a pool/solo?