Sidehack stick solo pool club

[itsnogood]

I have just been reading through this thread and I've got to say how organised it has become.
 Just wanted to wish you all the best of luck.

Where would be the best place to get hold of a GekkoScience / Sidehack stick miner?
I've had a look at the Bitshopper site and they are out of stock. Can you point me to where best to look , I'm based in the UK.

Thanks
 

Assuming your in the US over here - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1126705.0

He has started a queue so you can get in early and pre-oder by a week or two.  This is route I would suggest.

Thanks, I'll have a read through that link.

I'm in the UK.

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[philipma1957]

Next is  how to spilt a block after beta.

 I am thinking ½ based on equal spilt ½ based on shares earned in time frame.  Based on this idea  we could keep someone like aarons6 in the pool and he only gets coins from shares ½ not the stick ½ .


Size limits members in the club       maybe 30 or less.

Length of a run 1 month       the 11th of each month.


I think the above pushes sidehack product which I/we want to do.

We could also do  something for pods when and if they come out.

Opinions needed for the above.
Also for this run from oct 11 to nov 11   I will point this miner  24/7/30



I guess now would be a good time to pickup the ideas i threw out a while back.

I had suggested max 2 shares per person. 1 for stick, 1 for donation no matter what the donation is, that way everyone still get equal share but this will incite people to donate what they can.

I am not sure if you meant half the reward go equally between stick owners and the other half is hashrate dependent. If that is the case;

I would say if there is not a too big difference in minimum and maximum given your option would be good and more rewarding for people who throw in more hash, while still worthwhile for people that can only point a bit of hash at this. Since just actively pointing a stick means getting 1/60th of 25BTC+ if we have 30 participants.

Your way may motivate more hashrate to be thrown at this, so both way would get my +1.



here is the math for the next run. for the sake of easy math 30 people in  everybody has to have a stick.

 lets pretend  it is exactly 25 btc. plus .5 for fees  so

  ck has takes his fee which is .25 or .5  

 as I understand

 this setup we would know who hit the block and the guy that hits it gets the fees.     say .5  and pretend we have an even 24 coins to split

pile a 12 coins    12 coins/30 people  = .4btc  for each of the 30 members this part is good for a 1 stick guy

pile b 12 coins    12coins split by shares made. lest say 30 of us do 10000gh average

 so my s-3 is 450gh my 20 sticks are 270gh this is 720gh/10000  or   7.2%  of the 12 coins  in my case .864 coins  my combined amount

 part a = 0.400
 part b = 0.864
total    = 1.264


lets say a 1 stick guy doing 10gh

part a = 0.400   12/30  if we have 30 of us
part b = 0.012   10/10000  if he averaged 10gh out of our combined 10,000th
total   = 0.412


so a 1 stick guy gets          0.412
a 20 stick + s-3 guy gets   1.264


If it was by hash alone like most pools that 20 stick + s-3 guy would get 7.2% of 24 = 1.728 btc

this makes less of a penalty for him being generous



Now wait a minute suppose some wise guy rents  3 ph  and points at the pool until he hits a block.

well he will get  12/30  = 0.400  from part A

and  yeah he will get most of the part B maybe 11btc of the 12   .  but what the fuck  he would be helping us a lot since if he solo's alone he gets everything.

  so this method of split  I came up with   is very good it helps stick guys if some one tosses tons at the pool.

It allows you to say 1 stick here and if you do this it is favorable math since other people will point extra.

It allows a guy that understand what we are trying to do spend extra hash over the sticks and still get some extra coin while helping lessor.

Worst case is every just points 1 stick and I point 20 sticks and the s-3.  which means everyone gets a subsidy if we hit a block.  This also means most likely we don't hit a block. But 1 stick hashing for nothing is not the end of the world.

It gives freedom of hashpower and after the beta testing I can see we can use some extra hash like an s-3 or a rental.
  The guy that wants to point that s-3 or rental should get a little something.  But I have to crack down a bit and be sure everyone has a stick.

Another nice part of this is part B prize money  you won't lose your shares for the 30 day time period if yo go offline.

Can't do it with the sticks part A prize money on part A when you are down 1 day you drop off the prize list,   but with the share count  on part B they stay.

so in my case my 20 sticks and my s-3 = 720gh  and lets say we are doing 10000gh I would be 7.2 % of the hash and if I stay up all the time that is the same as 7.2 % of the shares/
So I have a black out and more then a day offline we hit a block  since I was offline more then a day  no part a prize money.

But shares would be averaged and I may drop down to 6% of part B.

I woke up to take a leak (one of the many joys of being 58)  and thought of this idea seems good.  But I will read it again later.

[aarons6]

Next is  how to spilt a block after beta.

 I am thinking ½ based on equal spilt ½ based on shares earned in time frame.  Based on this idea  we could keep someone like aarons6 in the pool and he only gets coins from shares ½ not the stick ½ .


Size limits members in the club       maybe 30 or less.

Length of a run 1 month       the 11th of each month.


I think the above pushes sidehack product which I/we want to do.

We could also do  something for pods when and if they come out.

Opinions needed for the above.
Also for this run from oct 11 to nov 11   I will point this miner  24/7/30



I guess now would be a good time to pickup the ideas i threw out a while back.

I had suggested max 2 shares per person. 1 for stick, 1 for donation no matter what the donation is, that way everyone still get equal share but this will incite people to donate what they can.

I am not sure if you meant half the reward go equally between stick owners and the other half is hashrate dependent. If that is the case;

I would say if there is not a too big difference in minimum and maximum given your option would be good and more rewarding for people who throw in more hash, while still worthwhile for people that can only point a bit of hash at this. Since just actively pointing a stick means getting 1/60th of 25BTC+ if we have 30 participants.

Your way may motivate more hashrate to be thrown at this, so both way would get my +1.



here is the math for the next run. for the sake of easy math 30 people in  everybody has to have a stick.

 lets pretend  it is exactly 25 btc. plus .5 for fees  so

  ck has takes his fee which is .25 or .5  

 as I understand

 this setup we would know who hit the block and the guy that hits it gets the fees.     say .5  and pretend we have an even 24 coins to split

pile a 12 coins    12 coins/30 people  = .4btc  for each of the 30 members this part is good for a 1 stick guy

pile b 12 coins    12coins split by shares made. lest say 30 of us do 10000gh average

 so my s-3 is 450gh my 20 sticks are 270gh this is 720gh/10000  or   7.2%  of the 12 coins  in my case .864 coins  my combined amount

 part a = 0.400
 part b = 0.864
total    = 1.264


lets say a 1 stick guy doing 10gh

part a = 0.400   12/30  if we have 30 of us
part b = 0.012   10/10000  if he averaged 10gh out of our combined 10,000th
total   = 0.412


so a 1 stick guy gets          0.412
a 20 stick + s-3 guy gets   1.264


If it was by hash alone like most pools that 20 stick + s-3 guy would get 7.2% of 24 = 1.728 btc

this makes less of a penalty for him being generous



Now wait a minute suppose some wise guy rents  3 ph  and points at the pool until he hits a block.

well he will get  12/30  = 0.400  from part A

and  yeah he will get most of the part B maybe 11btc of the 12   .  but what the fuck  he would be helping us a lot since if he solo's alone he gets everything.

  so this method of split  I came up with   is very good it helps stick guys if some one tosses tons at the pool.

It allows you to say 1 stick here and if you do this it is favorable math since other people will point extra.

It allows a guy that understand what we are trying to do spend extra hash over the sticks and still get some extra coin while helping lessor.

Worst case is every just points 1 stick and I point 20 sticks and the s-3.  which means everyone gets a subsidy if we hit a block.  This also means most likely we don't hit a block. But 1 stick hashing for nothing is not the end of the world.

It gives freedom of hashpower and after the beta testing I can see we can use some extra hash like an s-3 or a rental.
  The guy that wants to point that s-3 or rental should get a little something.  But I have to crack down a bit and be sure everyone has a stick.

Another nice part of this is part B prize money  you won't lose your shares for the 30 day time period if yo go offline.

Can't do it with the sticks part A prize money on part A when you are down 1 day you drop off the prize list,   but with the share count  on part B they stay.

so in my case my 20 sticks and my s-3 = 720gh  and lets say we are doing 10000gh I would be 7.2 % of the hash and if I stay up all the time that is the same as 7.2 % of the shares/
So I have a black out and more then a day offline we hit a block  since I was offline more then a day  no part a prize money.

But shares would be averaged and I may drop down to 6% of part B.

I woke up to take a leak (one of the many joys of being 58)  and thought of this idea seems good.  But I will read it again later.

i think i see where you are going with this..
so in simple terms..
12 bitcoins are evenly distributed to those that have at least 1 compac and 12 bitcoins are proportionally distributed basted on shares like a regular pool? so those with more then 1 compac or another miner gets slightly more?


is there an easy system in place tho to tell what the worker shares are?


i think in order for this to work, you would need one worker that has only ONE compac, and one worker to add the rest. so in your case you would one worker with 1 compac and 1 with the 19 compacs and a s3.

that way you can distribute the 12 bitcoins to the single workers and the rest of the 12 to the sub workers..

hmm one of the problems i see is the shares listed on the main user address has all of the workers included.. but since 1 compac really wont produce a lot of shares it might not hurt to just count them in part b?

sounds pretty solid.


hmm i was actually thinking, dont the shares reset after ck's solo pool finds a block? it could be hard to track.

[TheRealSteve]

is there an easy system in place tho to tell what the worker shares are?
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hmm i was actually thinking, dont the shares reset after ck's solo pool finds a block? it could be hard to track.

-ck added a "shares" parameter in the json output for solo.ckpool.org .  Just a matter of grabbing stats A. once when the round begins, and B. again when a block is found, then B-A = shares for that period.  -ck mentioned that worker shares are not reset.

[philipma1957]

is there an easy system in place tho to tell what the worker shares are?
[...]
hmm i was actually thinking, dont the shares reset after ck's solo pool finds a block? it could be hard to track.

-ck added a "shares" parameter in the json output for solo.ckpool.org .  Just a matter of grabbing stats A. once when the round begins, and B. again when a block is found, then B-A = shares for that period.  -ck mentioned that worker shares are not reset.

this should make it trackable for us.

The goal with this is grow side hack sales maybe the pod next time.

I really see this type of pool/club as the future for many home miners.

If side hack can do a working pod in the one hundred gh level it would be good for this pool.

I really wish bitmaintech would see the value in selling side hack two thousand s-7 chips.



A five or six chip miner with s-7 chips could do four hundred gh at under one hundred watts
Maybe eighty watts. This would be a perfect miner for a pool like this. It would also make bitmaintech look good. It would also create a viable mining option for smaller miners.
2000 chips would make say fourhundred  five chip miners.
This would not hurt bitmiantech it is only about onehundredsixty th. small enough to not hurt bitmaintech big enough to allow for a good pool setup.

[vapourminer]

the 50/50 split between a stick worker and percentage of total shares per block sounds good to me.

one of my sticks wont be run beyond what a single usb 2 port and passive cooling can provide, currently 185 Mhz and 10.something Ghs at 55-60 C on the heatsink. it lives on my HTPC in the living room so must be silent (per the wife).

the other will get a y cable on usb 3 and a fan plugged into my freenas box in the basement if i ever get some free time, whatever that is.

[Meech]

If he could get a hold of next gen chips -- game over for the Big Boys.  That is why I think they don't respond to him about chip requests.
I don't mind though.  He is able to squeeze efficiency out of last gen chips and keep it affordable.  What we all hoped for may finally come true - trading in old hardware for a discount on a new shiny thing.

So on the Pi in linux you can run multiple instances of Cgminer from the terminal?

[-ck]

 ck has takes his fee which is .25 or .5  

Pool's fee is only 0.5% which is only 0.125BTC

[Jake36]

If he could get a hold of next gen chips -- game over for the Big Boys.  That is why I think they don't respond to him about chip requests.
I don't mind though.  He is able to squeeze efficiency out of last gen chips and keep it affordable.  What we all hoped for may finally come true - trading in old hardware for a discount on a new shiny thing.

So on the Pi in linux you can run multiple instances of Cgminer from the terminal?

I think you would need to open up 2 terminal windows and keep them both open all the time?

I found the easiest way (for me so far) is to do both instances of cgminer's in the "/etc/rc.local" file and add just above "exit 0"  2 lines:

cd /home/pi/cgminer-gekko (if thats where you got it and your using cgminer-gekko) (and the next, all 1 line)
screen -dmS sudo ./cgminer -o stratum+tcp://solo.ckpool.org:3333 -u 1JiWuyX94wrCr7JhkAn7x5qNMCEef1KhqX._XXXX_k --usb :1 --compac-freq 350 --suggest-diff 19 --widescreen --worktime; screen -dmS sudo ./cgminer -o stratum+tcp://solo.ckpool.org:3333 -u 1JiWuyX94wrCr7JhkAn7x5qNMCEef1KhqX.Jake36stick --usb :4--compac-freq 350 --suggest-diff 70 --widescreen --worktime;

Using the ";" let's me putty into the Pi from the main computer and use "screen" to check both cgminer-gekko's stats or add backup pools, if you don't use "screen" you can omit ";". Added benefit is if the power goes off, the Pi boots and starts mining as soon as the power is back.

[kano]

The ';' just separates 2 (or more) commands.

a ; b

it's the same as running it on 2 separate lines:

a
b

[Meech]

If he could get a hold of next gen chips -- game over for the Big Boys.  That is why I think they don't respond to him about chip requests.
I don't mind though.  He is able to squeeze efficiency out of last gen chips and keep it affordable.  What we all hoped for may finally come true - trading in old hardware for a discount on a new shiny thing.

So on the Pi in linux you can run multiple instances of Cgminer from the terminal?

I think you would need to open up 2 terminal windows and keep them both open all the time?

I found the easiest way (for me so far) is to do both instances of cgminer's in the "/etc/rc.local" file and add just above "exit 0"  2 lines:

cd /home/pi/cgminer-gekko (if thats where you got it and your using cgminer-gekko) (and the next, all 1 line)
screen -dmS sudo ./cgminer -o stratum+tcp://solo.ckpool.org:3333 -u 1JiWuyX94wrCr7JhkAn7x5qNMCEef1KhqX._XXXX_k --usb :1 --compac-freq 350 --suggest-diff 19 --widescreen --worktime; screen -dmS sudo ./cgminer -o stratum+tcp://solo.ckpool.org:3333 -u 1JiWuyX94wrCr7JhkAn7x5qNMCEef1KhqX.Jake36stick --usb :4--compac-freq 350 --suggest-diff 70 --widescreen --worktime;

Using the ";" let's me putty into the Pi from the main computer and use "screen" to check both cgminer-gekko's stats or add backup pools, if you don't use "screen" you can omit ";". Added benefit is if the power goes off, the Pi boots and starts mining as soon as the power is back.

Thank you.  I will give that a shot.  Tired of typing in terminal on my Pi's 5" screen.

[Ecnad]

Making some changes to my mining strategy so will be less concerned with daily hash power and payouts. As a result, I can keep my s3+ pointed at the pool all month for the October run to increase our odds.

Converted my riskable BTC to PACMiC contracts so I won't be tempted to play with rental hash which hasn't been very profitable lately. Going to just sit back and let things run for a while.

My tiny farm:

Antminer U3 - Pointed at Antpool for the hell of it.
Antminer S3+ - Pointed at Sidehack Stick Club
Antminer S5 - Hosted at Hashnest
Antminer C1 - Pointed at CKPool
3X Sidehack Sticks - Pointed at Sidehack Stick Club
2X Sidehack Sticks - idle

[notlist3d]

Pointed 2 twords pool again.  Had network issue with new router.  Running 2 routers at the moment so a bit more complex then needed.

But I should be back up again.  I need to install something to remote into my RPI it is a pain to find out it's down after looking at web page.  I wish they had teamviewer but looks like other options.

[philipma1957]

Today is last day of beta pool first day of actual pool.

So I am doing a 1 day rental of 5th.  It is a westhash order

#689621 (SHA256)

details

Fixed

2015-10-11 04:17:42

Order's lifetime

24 hours

[aarons6]

Today is last day of beta pool first day of actual pool.

So I am doing a 1 day rental of 5th.  It is a westhash order

#689621 (SHA256)

details

Fixed

2015-10-11 04:17:42

Order's lifetime

24 hours

ill keep my s3 on here until i get my compac.
http://solo.ckpool.org/workers/1JiWuyX94wrCr7JhkAn7x5qNMCEef1KhqX.aarons6

the 1d avg is kind of low, we had a storm and the power went out but its back online now.

[toptek]

I pointed a S3 donation miner at this pool. I'll  leave here till tomorrow around 12 noon est or until the beta is over unless asked to do different . .

http://solo.ckpool.org/workers/1JiWuyX94wrCr7JhkAn7x5qNMCEef1KhqX.topekdonation


 keep my stick going.

http://solo.ckpool.org/workers/1JiWuyX94wrCr7JhkAn7x5qNMCEef1KhqX.topekstick

[Jake36]

The ';' just separates 2 (or more) commands.

a ; b

it's the same as running it on 2 separate lines:

a
b

Thanks.

Good to know. I think the only thing I didn't try was...

a
b
...LOL, at least I learned something new.

[philipma1957]

Today is last day of beta pool first day of actual pool.

So I am doing a 1 day rental of 5th.  It is a westhash order

#689621 (SHA256)

details

Fixed

2015-10-11 04:17:42

Order's lifetime

24 hours

ill keep my s3 on here until i get my compac.
http://solo.ckpool.org/workers/1JiWuyX94wrCr7JhkAn7x5qNMCEef1KhqX.aarons6

the 1d avg is kind of low, we had a storm and the power went out but its back online now.

I am pointing a stick at the pool for you until you get yours.

[philipma1957]

I pointed a S3 donation miner at this pool. I'll  leave here till tomorrow around 12 noon est or until the beta is over unless asked to do different . .

http://solo.ckpool.org/workers/1JiWuyX94wrCr7JhkAn7x5qNMCEef1KhqX.topekdonation


 keep my stick going.

http://solo.ckpool.org/workers/1JiWuyX94wrCr7JhkAn7x5qNMCEef1KhqX.topekstick

thanks you are welcome to keep it past beta and you would earn a bit extra under the new setup.

[philipma1957]

Locking this please look at new thread



https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1205056.0