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September 20, 2015, 11:23:52 AM
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Why do you think one line/one word replies are not constructive? Maybe a newbie is askin a yes or no question, and I'm answering  "yes" or "no", Only 2 or 3 letters. How can you say that's not constructive?

Or do you need a Wall Of Text to answer a simple question? Most of one line replies are more constructive than WOTs.

When sig spammers think that "long sentences are more constructive" they're starting to post shits. A simple question doesn't need a WOT. It needs a proper answer, nothing more.


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September 20, 2015, 11:32:00 AM
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Why do you think one line/one word replies are not constructive? Maybe a newbie is askin a yes or no question, and I'm answering  "yes" or "no", Only 2 or 3 letters. How can you say that's not constructive?
Or do you need a Wall Of Text to answer a simple question? Most of one line replies are more constructive than WOTs.
When sig spammers think that "long sentences are more constructive" they're starting to post shits. A simple question doesn't need a WOT. It needs a proper answer, nothing more.
IMO anyone who is part of a a signature campaign and asks a question that has been answered a lot of times, is using it to bump their post count (read next sentence). In other words, any question that requires a simple use of the search function or a search engine (where usually the first result contains the answer) is most likely the result of wanting to bump up one's post count (for signature spammers). Besides if you have any questions, how about asking someone directly, who is willing to help out, via PM (e.g. me, shorena, etc.)? If you really need to make that post, then find a thread about it and post in it. The worst part about is the repetitive opening of threads discussing the same subject.

Sorry to interact people but this could be real, ignore button can be abused most especially by people with nothing to do.
This is not a solution that would improve the post quality either. Basically you're trying to make people ignore the bad posters. Anyone new will see those posts though.


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September 20, 2015, 11:54:37 AM
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The monthly best poster prize wouldn't cause people to leave their signature campaign. The pool of money isn't going to be huge and it isn't going to give everyone BTC. Members would rather go for stable and guaranteed signature campaign than non guaranteed ones. The ignore list isn't going to work very well either, taking a look at dannyhamilton's ignore list, I admit that it does reduce the amount of spammers that can be seen, it also potentially blocks out good posters. The main reason for signature spam is largely due to the automated signature campaign. They are nowhere as accurate as human checking. Perhaps the forum can implement an regulation for signature campaign operators to check the post manually.














 

 

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September 20, 2015, 12:01:44 PM
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The monthly best poster prize wouldn't cause people to leave their signature campaign. The pool of money isn't going to be huge and it isn't going to give everyone BTC. Members would rather go for stable and guaranteed signature campaign than non guaranteed ones. The ignore list isn't going to work very well either, taking a look at dannyhamilton's ignore list, I admit that it does reduce the amount of spammers that can be seen, it also potentially blocks out good posters. The main reason for signature spam is largely due to the automated signature campaign. They are nowhere as accurate as human checking. Perhaps the forum can implement an regulation for signature campaign operators to check the post manually.


Check post manually? It will be really an hard work for the various sig. campaign maintainers Grin.
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September 20, 2015, 12:11:34 PM
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Check post manually? It will be really an hard work for the various sig. campaign maintainers Grin.
So? That's their job, is it not? Are you saying that moderators should be checking each member individually to identify spammers? Anyone that lets their participants spam, or post posts of very low quality should be punished accordingly along with the user(s).


Update: I had not realized that you were being sarcastic. Anyhow, banning participants obviously has not shown to have a big impact. People tend to come back with new accounts or multiple accounts and join the same campaign (or different one).


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September 20, 2015, 12:14:53 PM
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The monthly best poster prize wouldn't cause people to leave their signature campaign. The pool of money isn't going to be huge and it isn't going to give everyone BTC. Members would rather go for stable and guaranteed signature campaign than non guaranteed ones. The ignore list isn't going to work very well either, taking a look at dannyhamilton's ignore list, I admit that it does reduce the amount of spammers that can be seen, it also potentially blocks out good posters. The main reason for signature spam is largely due to the automated signature campaign. They are nowhere as accurate as human checking. Perhaps the forum can implement an regulation for signature campaign operators to check the post manually.


Check post manually? It will be really an hard work for the various sig. campaign maintainers Grin.

Yeah, it is. Smiley





Are you saying that moderators should be checking each member individually to identify spammers?

Certainly not!
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September 20, 2015, 12:16:55 PM
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Check post manually? It will be really an hard work for the various sig. campaign maintainers Grin.
So? That's their job, is it not?

It was a sarcastic post . The work of a mod is to moderate the users posts (through the reports that they receive and/or surfing the forum itself and 'moderate')


Are you saying that moderators should be checking each member individually to identify spammers?


Obviously : no, they should not check each member.
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September 20, 2015, 03:04:27 PM
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The sig spammers are here to stay so it is pointless to care. Yes I have a sig, but get a flat rate before you say "you got a sig stfu". The issue is paid per post causes the spammers. I think the wall of text spammers are worse than the 1 -3 word spammers. The forum does not mind sig posters even when they admit publicly they only post for pay. I think the more posts the forum gets the better it is for them (more ad revenue). Just ignore people and signatures if they bother you...forum not going to change it. I gave up caring about spam once I realized it will not change.

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Thanks a lot to the people making positive and constructive suggestions to this thread. My intention was to open this up for debate and to test the water regarding a reward

system for good posting. There are many posters on this forum, who participate in signature campaigns, who really post good quality posts and I feel they need to compete in

a contest to get them rewarded for their good participation. When other people see this, they might improve their post quality to also receive these rewards. I am a moderator

on another forum, and I know quality poster draw in the crowds, because they bring value to a forum. The high quality posters need to be rewarded for their effort.

I spend hours on web sites and forums to research anything to do with Bitcoin and listen to podcasts and watch video's on the subject to further my knowledge and to

contribute positively to the Bitcoin community and this forum. I also think high quality posters need some kind of reward, to retain the high standards of their posting.

My gratitude goes out to those people here... Please keep it up. Let's hope some of the early forum members see my vision and decide to support it. We could test it for one

month, to see if it would help in any way possible.  Wink   

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September 20, 2015, 06:21:05 PM
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Thanks a lot to the people making positive and constructive suggestions to this thread. My intention was to open this up for debate and to test the water regarding a reward

system for good posting. There are many posters on this forum, who participate in signature campaigns, who really post good quality posts and I feel they need to compete in

a contest to get them rewarded for their good participation. When other people see this, they might improve their post quality to also receive these rewards. I am a moderator

on another forum, and I know quality poster draw in the crowds, because they bring value to a forum. The high quality posters need to be rewarded for their effort.

I spend hours on web sites and forums to research anything to do with Bitcoin and listen to podcasts and watch video's on the subject to further my knowledge and to

contribute positively to the Bitcoin community and this forum. I also think high quality posters need some kind of reward, to retain the high standards of their posting.

My gratitude goes out to those people here... Please keep it up. Let's hope some of the early forum members see my vision and decide to support it. We could test it for one

month, to see if it would help in any way possible.  Wink  

Every post you write is spaced out, why ? So that your campaign manager would qualify it as a constructive post or what ?
I understand the importance of spacing when you need something to be pointed out,or divided into two "sections or topics" but what ure doing is very anoying at the least.

As far as your suggestion goes, it's not a good one. It would only divide spam to sig. campaign spam and your "reward" idea spam imho.

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Every post you write is spaced out, why ? So that your campaign manager would qualify it as a constructive post or what ?
I understand the importance of spacing when you need something to be pointed out,or divided into two "sections or topics" but what ure doing is very anoying at the least.

As far as your suggestion goes, it's not a good one. It would only divide spam to sig. campaign spam and your "reward" idea spam imho.


It's probably just something about his device that he used to post; it's not necessarily him trying to make it a constructive post.

I disagree with this idea; most people would just stay with their campaign anyways because there would be too much competition.

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Every post you write is spaced out, why ? So that your campaign manager would qualify it as a constructive post or what ?
I understand the importance of spacing when you need something to be pointed out,or divided into two "sections or topics" but what ure doing is very anoying at the least.

As far as your suggestion goes, it's not a good one. It would only divide spam to sig. campaign spam and your "reward" idea spam imho.


It's probably just something about his device that he used to post; it's not necessarily him trying to make it a constructive post.

I disagree with this idea; most people would just stay with their campaign anyways because there would be too much competition.

Yeah, it is his 'writing system'. @ajareselde check his first posts on this forum I'm sure he is doing it 'unintentionally'.
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Every post you write is spaced out, why ? So that your campaign manager would qualify it as a constructive post or what ?
I understand the importance of spacing when you need something to be pointed out,or divided into two "sections or topics" but what ure doing is very anoying at the least.

As far as your suggestion goes, it's not a good one. It would only divide spam to sig. campaign spam and your "reward" idea spam imho.


It's probably just something about his device that he used to post; it's not necessarily him trying to make it a constructive post.


lol what do you mean by that ? Is he typing on a malfunctioning machine typewriter or what ?! I really don't know what to think about it now.

Yeah, it is his 'writing system'. @ajareselde check his first posts on this forum I'm sure he is doing it 'unintentionally'.

Whatever it is; it's still quite anoying, atleast to me. First post on that account, yes.

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It's just my typing style, everyone has something that makes them unique, that is just the way I choose to do it. My apology if it's annoying to you.

I write like this on many other platforms too... It's just easier to read than the wall of text we are confronted with, when we paragraphs everything together in the

normal way. I should think the personal attacks on me should not be necessary, it just deflects from the subject at hand. The primary goal should be to reach a solution that

would fit the majority of the users here. #1 = Less Spam / #2 More constructive posting / #3 Rewarding people who create high quality content for the forum.

Let's just concentrate on that for now please, and leave the personal attacks for another time. I really want to contribute to a good experience for everyone.  Wink

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The use of the ignore function can help in this case.... 

that just got me an idea: maybe ignore count should be public so sig-campaigns can block users with too many ignores.
I believe they will have somewhat of this idea implemented on the new forum.  One can upvote or downvote others if they like/dislike their posts and it will be public, so signature campaigns can look at only the quality posters.

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The use of the ignore function can help in this case.... 

that just got me an idea: maybe ignore count should be public so sig-campaigns can block users with too many ignores.
I believe they will have somewhat of this idea implemented on the new forum.  One can upvote or downvote others if they like/dislike their posts and it will be public, so signature campaigns can look at only the quality posters.
I don't think so.
There're people who has enemies on the forum. Those enemies can abuse this system with shill accounts.


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I have so many signature campaign morons on my ignore list that sometimes I feel like it's just Vod and me here on bitcointalk.  And he can grate on the one nerve I have left that isn't fried and I'm very tired of that licking my boob thing. 

There is way too much crapola posting here.

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I think that the BTCTalk community administrators need to establish rules for signature campaigns. Managers have to check the quality of each post and remove every one line spammer from the campaign list. Automated post counting scripts could no longer be used since a script or bot could not check the quality of posts. If a campaign manager does not remove spammers from their campaigns, the forum admins should ban the campaign manager and effectively end the campaign. I too am getting sick of the spammers and lazy managers only in it for the money and not discussion about earning/improving the bitcoin network.

Signatures? How about learning a skill... I don't care either way. Everybody has to make a living somehow.
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I think that the BTCTalk community administrators need to establish rules for signature campaigns. Managers have to check the quality of each post and remove every one line spammer from the campaign list. Automated post counting scripts could no longer be used since a script or bot could not check the quality of posts. If a campaign manager does not remove spammers from their campaigns, the forum admins should ban the campaign manager and effectively end the campaign. I too am getting sick of the spammers and lazy managers only in it for the money and not discussion about earning/improving the bitcoin network.

You can always PM the manager of the sig campaign that has user missbehaving/spamming etc.. Just include post/s that you find unworthy as reference and i'm sure action will be made.
Also, there's that report to moderator thingy on the right of posts, if the post is in violation of forum rules. A lot of people lost their spamming account due to this.

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