with S7, bitmain vs spondoolies becomes interesting

[Jeremias]

with the S7 announcement, bitmain might have nudged ahead. Now, what do u think guys, will there be a new product launch from spondoolies or an upgrade to the existing line.

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[TheRealSteve]

There's a "vs Spondoolies"?  Granted, they're tight-lipped because merger with publicly traded company - so they might whip something out despite numerous previous statements about, and not exactly in favor of, (consumer) hardware sales.

[majestymage]

they said something interesting in they mail announcing the merger "We will continue to update you with more news in the next few days, stay tuned" let's see 

[Xian01]

Spondoolies is entirely irrelevant right now, and for the near-term future. Bitmain is really the only consumer game in town, unfortunately.

[gallery2000]

with the S7 announcement, bitmain might have nudged ahead. Now, what do u think guys, will there be a new product launch from spondoolies or an upgrade to the existing line.

They are coming out with Sponodo Gojan Heights https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1150920

[alh]

with the S7 announcement, bitmain might have nudged ahead. Now, what do u think guys, will there be a new product launch from spondoolies or an upgrade to the existing line.

They are coming out with Sponodo Gojan Heights https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1150920

Feel free to follow the link and asses it's accuracy for yourself. Just remember that this is the SPECULATION sub-forum, and claims here should be treated accordingly.

Even if it were accurate, a 7TH, 3.5KW miner isn't all that impressive now.

[QuintLeo]

I suspect Bitmain's real competiton will show up around December - Lktec powered by Innosilicon.

 I'd be happy for Spondoolies to prove me wrong though.

[spazzdla]

Bitmain is currently the only company making ASIC's I thought..

[TheRealSteve]

Bitmain is currently the only company making ASIC's I thought..

Not the only one.  Just one of the few remaining that sell to consumers.

[QuintLeo]

The only one CURRENTLY selling miners that are viable for home miners *RIGHT NOW* is Bitmain.

 There has been at least one other "soon" announcement, out of Lktec, for a miner that the S7 appears to have been specifically designed to try to preempt.

 Since the Lktec design appears likely to be based on the "announced as taped out" Innosilicon A3 design, and since Innosilicon has made miners in the past, I expect a fairly good probability of an Innosilicon miner design as well - but even if they do that, I suspect that that Innosilicon's miner would be more along the lines of a rack-mount 4-5U unit in the 20-30TH range, similar to what they did on their A2 Terminator design.

 Too bad Spondoolies has abandoned the consumer market, perhaps they'd be willing to start selling their new chip *soon* to someone like Sidehack to build an actual HOME miner design out of.

[VirosaGITS]

The only one CURRENTLY selling miners that are viable for home miners *RIGHT NOW* is Bitmain.

 There has been at least one other "soon" announcement, out of Lktec, for a miner that the S7 appears to have been specifically designed to try to preempt.

 Since the Lktec design appears likely to be based on the "announced as taped out" Innosilicon A3 design, and since Innosilicon has made miners in the past, I expect a fairly good probability of an Innosilicon miner design as well - but even if they do that, I suspect that that Innosilicon's miner would be more along the lines of a rack-mount 4-5U unit in the 20-30TH range, similar to what they did on their A2 Terminator design.

 Too bad Spondoolies has abandoned the consumer market, perhaps they'd be willing to start selling their new chip *soon* to someone like Sidehack to build an actual HOME miner design out of.

Well Bitmain "Right now" has nothing. It's true there will certainly be a second batch in October but it's pretty moot right now. Meanwhile Spoondoolies is Selling those SP50, however only in Bulk. Now what qualify a "Bulk" i don't know, but that mean a reseller could get a batch and then sell it to end user.

But there's some serious issues with powering 6000W at home. Noise and heat will make this pretty prohibitive, so even if the home buyer can get a hand on a SP50, it feel like you'd need a crane to move the damn thing around.

Meanwhile Bitfury announce something even better but with no actually hardware available. At least Bitmain is getting some pressure so we might be seeing S7's at reasonable ROI soon. Then again that's pretty subjective if these 3 company sell 150PH of hardware by the halving, there won't be much current miner left after that.

[Biodom]

The only one CURRENTLY selling miners that are viable for home miners *RIGHT NOW* is Bitmain.

 There has been at least one other "soon" announcement, out of Lktec, for a miner that the S7 appears to have been specifically designed to try to preempt.

 Since the Lktec design appears likely to be based on the "announced as taped out" Innosilicon A3 design, and since Innosilicon has made miners in the past, I expect a fairly good probability of an Innosilicon miner design as well - but even if they do that, I suspect that that Innosilicon's miner would be more along the lines of a rack-mount 4-5U unit in the 20-30TH range, similar to what they did on their A2 Terminator design.

 Too bad Spondoolies has abandoned the consumer market, perhaps they'd be willing to start selling their new chip *soon* to someone like Sidehack to build an actual HOME miner design out of.

Well Bitmain "Right now" has nothing. It's true there will certainly be a second batch in October but it's pretty moot right now. Meanwhile Spoondoolies is Selling those SP50, however only in Bulk. Now what qualify a "Bulk" i don't know, but that mean a reseller could get a batch and then sell it to end user.

But there's some serious issues with powering 6000W at home. Noise and heat will make this pretty prohibitive, so even if the home buyer can get a hand on a SP50, it feel like you'd need a crane to move the damn thing around.

Meanwhile Bitfury announce something even better but with no actually hardware available. At least Bitmain is getting some pressure so we might be seeing S7's at reasonable ROI soon. Then again that's pretty subjective if these 3 company sell 150PH of hardware by the halving, there won't be much current miner left after that.

6000w? 
It's 16500w AFAIK

[philipma1957]

The only one CURRENTLY selling miners that are viable for home miners *RIGHT NOW* is Bitmain.

 There has been at least one other "soon" announcement, out of Lktec, for a miner that the S7 appears to have been specifically designed to try to preempt.

 Since the Lktec design appears likely to be based on the "announced as taped out" Innosilicon A3 design, and since Innosilicon has made miners in the past, I expect a fairly good probability of an Innosilicon miner design as well - but even if they do that, I suspect that that Innosilicon's miner would be more along the lines of a rack-mount 4-5U unit in the 20-30TH range, similar to what they did on their A2 Terminator design.

 Too bad Spondoolies has abandoned the consumer market, perhaps they'd be willing to start selling their new chip *soon* to someone like Sidehack to build an actual HOME miner design out of.

this would be really nice.

[VirosaGITS]

The only one CURRENTLY selling miners that are viable for home miners *RIGHT NOW* is Bitmain.

 There has been at least one other "soon" announcement, out of Lktec, for a miner that the S7 appears to have been specifically designed to try to preempt.

 Since the Lktec design appears likely to be based on the "announced as taped out" Innosilicon A3 design, and since Innosilicon has made miners in the past, I expect a fairly good probability of an Innosilicon miner design as well - but even if they do that, I suspect that that Innosilicon's miner would be more along the lines of a rack-mount 4-5U unit in the 20-30TH range, similar to what they did on their A2 Terminator design.

 Too bad Spondoolies has abandoned the consumer market, perhaps they'd be willing to start selling their new chip *soon* to someone like Sidehack to build an actual HOME miner design out of.

Well Bitmain "Right now" has nothing. It's true there will certainly be a second batch in October but it's pretty moot right now. Meanwhile Spoondoolies is Selling those SP50, however only in Bulk. Now what qualify a "Bulk" i don't know, but that mean a reseller could get a batch and then sell it to end user.

But there's some serious issues with powering 6000W at home. Noise and heat will make this pretty prohibitive, so even if the home buyer can get a hand on a SP50, it feel like you'd need a crane to move the damn thing around.

Meanwhile Bitfury announce something even better but with no actually hardware available. At least Bitmain is getting some pressure so we might be seeing S7's at reasonable ROI soon. Then again that's pretty subjective if these 3 company sell 150PH of hardware by the halving, there won't be much current miner left after that.

6000w? 
It's 16500w AFAIK

Yes, i was missing a 1, there.
Effective Hash Rate

110 TH/s ± 10%

Nominal Power Consumption

16,570 W

Depending on how many they made for their first batch, it could equate to a fairly big difficulty bump. Though of course nothing will happen this weekend.

[philipma1957]

The only one CURRENTLY selling miners that are viable for home miners *RIGHT NOW* is Bitmain.

 There has been at least one other "soon" announcement, out of Lktec, for a miner that the S7 appears to have been specifically designed to try to preempt.

 Since the Lktec design appears likely to be based on the "announced as taped out" Innosilicon A3 design, and since Innosilicon has made miners in the past, I expect a fairly good probability of an Innosilicon miner design as well - but even if they do that, I suspect that that Innosilicon's miner would be more along the lines of a rack-mount 4-5U unit in the 20-30TH range, similar to what they did on their A2 Terminator design.

 Too bad Spondoolies has abandoned the consumer market, perhaps they'd be willing to start selling their new chip *soon* to someone like Sidehack to build an actual HOME miner design out of.

Well Bitmain "Right now" has nothing. It's true there will certainly be a second batch in October but it's pretty moot right now. Meanwhile Spoondoolies is Selling those SP50, however only in Bulk. Now what qualify a "Bulk" i don't know, but that mean a reseller could get a batch and then sell it to end user.

But there's some serious issues with powering 6000W at home. Noise and heat will make this pretty prohibitive, so even if the home buyer can get a hand on a SP50, it feel like you'd need a crane to move the damn thing around.

Meanwhile Bitfury announce something even better but with no actually hardware available. At least Bitmain is getting some pressure so we might be seeing S7's at reasonable ROI soon. Then again that's pretty subjective if these 3 company sell 150PH of hardware by the halving, there won't be much current miner left after that.

6000w?  
It's 16500w AFAIK

Yes, i was missing a 1, there.
Effective Hash Rate

110 TH/s ± 10%

Nominal Power Consumption

16,570 W

Depending on how many they made for their first batch, it could equate to a fairly big difficulty bump. Though of course nothing will happen this weekend.

would be nice to see them running. i wonder what they cost. maybe 30k each? more like forty thousand each

[mavericklm]

there is always a ''vs'' between this monsters, but i think it's not only when a company is publicly announces an x product. this is only a façade, just a cover of what is truly inside... there might be a bigger farm just installed, already an y product, or a very big investor....

what i mean is that we only see a little bit of this asics wars, the official side for the masses

[VirosaGITS]

there is always a ''vs'' between this monsters, but i think it's not only when a company is publicly announces an x product. this is only a façade, just a cover of what is truly inside... there might be a bigger farm just installed, already an y product, or a very big investor....

what i mean is that we only see a little bit of this asics wars, the official side for the masses

The worse part is, their sales will be behind doors, so basically they could be announcing it just to "attack" the competition, notably Bitmain's S7. Meanwhile they possibly already have a buyer or are shipping them all to their own data center since that's some pretty efficient hardware right there.

[UFCkid]

there is always a ''vs'' between this monsters, but i think it's not only when a company is publicly announces an x product. this is only a façade, just a cover of what is truly inside... there might be a bigger farm just installed, already an y product, or a very big investor....

what i mean is that we only see a little bit of this asics wars, the official side for the masses

The worse part is, their sales will be behind doors, so basically they could be announcing it just to "attack" the competition, notably Bitmain's S7. Meanwhile they possibly already have a buyer or are shipping them all to their own data center since that's some pretty efficient hardware right there.

exactly this^ not know why anyone mines alone when so much happens that is not known by public.
tough to trust.

[mavericklm]

there is always a ''vs'' between this monsters, but i think it's not only when a company is publicly announces an x product. this is only a façade, just a cover of what is truly inside... there might be a bigger farm just installed, already an y product, or a very big investor....

what i mean is that we only see a little bit of this asics wars, the official side for the masses

The worse part is, their sales will be behind doors, so basically they could be announcing it just to "attack" the competition, notably Bitmain's S7. Meanwhile they possibly already have a buyer or are shipping them all to their own data center since that's some pretty efficient hardware right there.

exactly this^ not know why anyone mines alone when so much happens that is not known by public.
tough to trust.

it's their business!

we should care about ourselves!.... and the good of btc ofcourse!

we do the verification transactions because there is ~10C outside and we need the heat

[PPOC]

So whats up with Bitmain, they listed Batch 2 and Batch 3 of the S7 and Batch 1 has not shipped yet? Also, Batch 3 is $200 bucks cheaper then batch 1. Nothing like feeling screwed! They will all probably ship around same time and if you buy Batch 3 its $200 less. Thats not right. Also Batch 2 has less hash with same amount of chips? I don't get that unless its unlocked at the factory or maybe batch 1 and 3 is overclocked....

Anyone have any insight?