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October 18, 2015, 02:44:46 AM
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Here are my 2 cents on the SP50 -
Probably a great machine - but at this point I really do not give a F&%$

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The key word in that quote for me is LOYALTY - for which most of the companies building miners have none
Got to love the companies that make their name and chips from Home Miners and then turn around and f&%$ them over.

If BTC keeps moving the direction it is going all of these greedy companies will ultimately be their own demise.

I have joined SideHack and Novak in what I am calling the "GekkoScience Movement" - which to me means the following - F&^% the big mining operations and companies building miners that have no loyalty

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October 18, 2015, 03:03:25 AM
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which to me means the following - F&^% the big mining operations and companies
The GekkoScience Movement can only exist with those companies releasing chips to you, so lets not fuck them too hard.

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October 18, 2015, 04:01:06 AM
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which to me means the following - F&^% the big mining operations and companies
The GekkoScience Movement can only exist with those companies releasing chips to you, so lets not fuck them too hard.

But bitcoin can only continue with all of us - if the masses decide that bitcoin has no value the Mining companies have nothing...

Most importantly - it is not like Bitmain or Spondoolies are selling chips to us, they are being scavenged from broken/dead boards -

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October 19, 2015, 11:20:09 PM
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Actually to be accurate, Bitmain did sell many (a 1000?) of BM1384 chips directly to sidehack (Gecko Science). So far Bitmain hasn't sold him any BM1385 parts (unless they have, and he can't comment because of NDA). He didn't seriously consider any of the Spondoolies chips as I understand it for a variety of reasons.
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October 20, 2015, 06:47:40 AM
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which to me means the following - F&^% the big mining operations and companies
The GekkoScience Movement can only exist with those companies releasing chips to you, so lets not fuck them too hard.

Not a bad point, please lube up.

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October 20, 2015, 07:02:00 AM
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Actually to be accurate, Bitmain did sell many (a 1000?) of BM1384 chips directly to sidehack (Gecko Science). So far Bitmain hasn't sold him any BM1385 parts (unless they have, and he can't comment because of NDA). He didn't seriously consider any of the Spondoolies chips as I understand it for a variety of reasons.

Good point, but I think they are not selling anymore chips.  If they were the following thread would not be needed:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1203190.0


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October 26, 2015, 03:06:03 AM
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Wow talk about them being serious about the warehouse major miner market, this isn't even possible for any hobbyist to own.

This is the direction it is going.  This unit is only for data-center mining for the most part.  I believe people will need to pool larger bits of capital to cover the costs of running a mining operation in the future.  I have steadily seen my client's miner count get larger and larger.   The SP50 is an interesting machine and really took its design philosophy from the Cisco Blade chassis.

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October 26, 2015, 03:44:12 AM
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Regarding the "GekkoScience movement" - y'all take things way too seriously. I'm not trying to screw over the big industry players. What I want to do is take care of the people they are ignoring. Nothing I've done has been pointing toward hurting anyone at all; everything has been intended to help folks being left behind by the rich guys. If there's a "movement" going to be formed around that idea, it should be more akin to "pay it forward" than "f$#@ the man". Seriously. Be nice.

Bitmain has not sold us any chips, past the 2000 BM1384 split between myself and MacEntyre (the German Compac manufacturer). Spondoolies hasn't sold us any chips, but they've actually talked about it. If you know me, you know I try to avoid unnecessarily complex things because it spells trouble for cost and reliability, and if you know Spondoolies they love unnecessarily complex things - hence my hesitation to work with their stuff.

What I'd really like to get behind is PlanetCrypto's idea to make an efficient mining chip whose design and availability is open to the community. An endeavor like that could hurt the big players, but more specifically it could help everyone else. Too bad it's unlikely to occur.

My opinion, I don't like the SP50 on a conceptual basis. Large incredibly expensive boxes are not something I'd get behind. However, I'm glad they ditched the tiny high-pitched fans, and glad they're still leaning on reliable server-grade PSUs, and I'm really hoping the blade design is modular enough to not affect efficiency and uptime by having one drop out. I really like that they're shifting back to a matrix of smaller ASICs rather than continuing to rely on the ridiculous power density of 100W BGA guys like the Rockerbox.

The SP20 was incredibly good business for them for several months, but the introduction of the S5 hurt them quite a bit. I believe pretty much everyone running a comparison agreed the SP20 was the better machine, but the incredible complexity of the design (which did add a lot of flexibility to it) drove production cost way higher than S5. Bitmain's price war hurt their willingness to ever enter small-machines market again so I highly doubt we ever see something on that scale again, even if the new chip is conducive to a more cost-effective build. Spondoolies has always preferred dealing with the rich guy data centers; now they're just making it more obvious.

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October 26, 2015, 04:02:05 AM
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The biggest downside of the s50 is the controller.  If it dies 110th hash dies.

So it forces you to have a spare controller.

Now if the controller is like the s-7 it could piggyback three units.

I don't have a nda with them and don't have any extra details but it looks like a three piece minimum to have a good roi.

 That is about 50 kwatts of power .  That means a commercial setup as almost no home owner has that much power.

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October 26, 2015, 04:14:21 AM
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The biggest downside of the s50 is the controller.  If it dies 110th hash dies.

So it forces you to have a spare controller.

Now if the controller is like the s-7 it could piggyback three units.

I don't have a nda with them and don't have any extra details but it looks like a three piece minimum to have a good roi.

 That is about 50 kwatts of power .  That means a commercial setup as almost no home owner has that much power.

unless you have to purchase a "recommended" 5-10K service contract with it (that would replace the controller within 24hr).

OT: it is hilarious at one place I know quite well. They always buy expensive equipment without a service contract, then the piece breaks and they have to rush the contract (which is now much more expensive) to get service. I guess, this kind of stuff gets the economy going, LOL.
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October 26, 2015, 04:29:56 AM
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And if it's like everything else Spondoolies has built, the controller will fail because the controller has more failure points on it than everyone else's entire miner. I sure hope they build good redundancy into it this time, because you're right, 100TH is a stupid amount of power to lose for a single board going down.

One thing you can say about Spondoolies, their customer service is better than all the other manufacturers combined.

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October 26, 2015, 05:05:58 AM
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Wow 110 th/s

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October 26, 2015, 09:18:43 AM
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One thing you can say about Spondoolies, their customer service is better than all the other manufacturers combined.

We'll see if this continues now they are Zvi-less.

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October 26, 2015, 11:47:47 AM
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One thing you can say about Spondoolies, their customer service is better than all the other manufacturers combined.

We'll see if this continues now they are Zvi-less.

Of course your only insight is forum members, the large majority of sales were to operations off the forum, from what I have seen the service was still great, until spare parts were exhausted..

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October 26, 2015, 12:36:45 PM
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One thing you can say about Spondoolies, their customer service is better than all the other manufacturers combined.

We'll see if this continues now they are Zvi-less.

Of course your only insight is forum members, the large majority of sales were to operations off the forum, from what I have seen the service was still great, until spare parts were exhausted.

I'm not referring to on or off forum, I'm referring to staff. They had one sales / marketing / lots of other important stuff guy (Gadi) and one SW development / why isn't it working / super tech support guy (Zvi). When you lose one of your allstars its always a challenge to replace.

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October 26, 2015, 04:59:03 PM
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One thing you can say about Spondoolies, their customer service is better than all the other manufacturers combined.

We'll see if this continues now they are Zvi-less.

Of course your only insight is forum members, the large majority of sales were to operations off the forum, from what I have seen the service was still great, until spare parts were exhausted.

I'm not referring to on or off forum, I'm referring to staff. They had one sales / marketing / lots of other important stuff guy (Gadi) and one SW development / why isn't it working / super tech support guy (Zvi). When you lose one of your allstars its always a challenge to replace.

I'm tracking now, if I recall correctly he was on contract, but you are right they are always hard to replace..

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October 26, 2015, 08:09:45 PM
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One thing you can say about Spondoolies, their customer service is better than all the other manufacturers combined.

We'll see if this continues now they are Zvi-less.

Of course your only insight is forum members, the large majority of sales were to operations off the forum, from what I have seen the service was still great, until spare parts were exhausted.

I'm not referring to on or off forum, I'm referring to staff. They had one sales / marketing / lots of other important stuff guy (Gadi) and one SW development / why isn't it working / super tech support guy (Zvi). When you lose one of your allstars its always a challenge to replace.

Dogie, you are right on this.  You, yourself is a testament to how important good support is.  Especially when dealing with technical products coming from startups that don't have this background.   Support can make or break products.  We have come to seriously appreciate good support.

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October 29, 2015, 04:17:08 PM
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/ super tech support guy (Zvi). When you lose one of your allstars its always a challenge to replace.

Anyone know where he went? For sure he was a good tech.

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October 29, 2015, 04:26:41 PM
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/ super tech support guy (Zvi). When you lose one of your allstars its always a challenge to replace.

Anyone know where he went? For sure he was a good tech.



I think that he is still consulting SPT, but his main job is with Microsoft (TED team, which is basically ties with open source software-he posted it in main thread).
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October 29, 2015, 06:20:23 PM
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/ super tech support guy (Zvi). When you lose one of your allstars its always a challenge to replace.

Anyone know where he went? For sure he was a good tech.



I think that he is still consulting SPT, but his main job is with Microsoft (TED team, which is basically ties with open source software-he posted it in main thread).

He said he'd answer a call if they needed help but he's not there there like the 80-100 hours he used to be. On top of MS he's also advising for a startup he started up so he's got more than enough to fill his time.

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