NASA has found water on MARS!!

[bit3000]

There have been rumours saying that NASA has found water on MARS.
NASA has called for an urgent Conference.
You can watch the conference live @
http://www.nasa.gov/content/nasa-tv-on-satellite-amc-18c/
Or at Ustream

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[elektibi75]

Is that the big announcement?

[Vod]

Is that the big announcement?

Premature post.   

NASA doesn't make big announcements in the middle of the night.

[bit3000]

Is that the big announcement?

Premature post.   

NASA doesn't make big announcements in the middle of the night.

We live in different time zone.
I was sleeping when NASA announced it.
The confrence will take place today at 11:30 EST.
Curiosity did a great job!

[Vod]

We live in different time zone.
I was sleeping when NASA announced it.
The confrence will take place today at 11:30 EST.
Curiosity did a great job!

NASA doesn't make announcements in the middle of the night.

NASA is based in North America.  It's the middle of the night here.

[criptix]

for europe: nasa announcements starts 17:30 CET  

btw. wb vod.
i read the quickseller thread last week. now i cant eat any more popcorn for the next few years lol

[dre1982]

Old news



But they already found ice on it so it's the new news. But the news is they found liquid water.

[BADecker]

The flat-earthers would say that we haven't gone to Mars, or anywhere else "out there," and that NASA is all a lie to suck tax money out of the people.

Even if the flat-earthers are wrong, GET RID OF TAXATION, because it is making slaves out of people.

In this case, lots of people don't care one iota for stuff about MARS. They are too busy trying to find food for themselves and their family. GET RID OF TAXATION, because taxation is the reason that people are starving, while other people stupidly talk about water on Mars.

[bit3000]

Old news



But they already found ice on it so it's the new news. But the news is they found liquid water.

Oops I forgot to prefix 'liquid'.

 

The flat-earthers would say that we haven't gone to Mars, or anywhere else "out there," and that NASA is all a lie to suck tax money out of the people.

Even if the flat-earthers are wrong, GET RID OF TAXATION, because it is making slaves out of people.

In this case, lots of people don't care one iota for stuff about MARS. They are too busy trying to find food for themselves and their family. GET RID OF TAXATION, because taxation is the reason that people are starving, while other people stupidly talk about water on Mars.

Fortunately I am not a citizen of America so I don't know much about there policies.
But,NASA is a genuine organisation.And I believe in whatever they do.
We humans have to save our species.And NASA is working on the same cause.
You will find resistance with every motion.

[BADecker]

Old news



But they already found ice on it so it's the new news. But the news is they found liquid water.

Oops I forgot to prefix 'liquid'.

 

The flat-earthers would say that we haven't gone to Mars, or anywhere else "out there," and that NASA is all a lie to suck tax money out of the people.

Even if the flat-earthers are wrong, GET RID OF TAXATION, because it is making slaves out of people.

In this case, lots of people don't care one iota for stuff about MARS. They are too busy trying to find food for themselves and their family. GET RID OF TAXATION, because taxation is the reason that people are starving, while other people stupidly talk about water on Mars.

Fortunately I am not a citizen of America so I don't know much about there policies.
But,NASA is a genuine organisation.And I believe in whatever they do.
We humans have to save our species.And NASA is working on the same cause.
You will find resistance with every motion.

This post isn't about NASA.

This post isn't about saving the species.

This post is about freedom.

Look into the corruption in NASA sometime, to see why some people want to be free from supporting it.

Look into the growing population of earth that shows that the species isn't anywhere near needing saving, to see why some people want to be free from supporting the lunatic fringe that thinks it has any kind of control over saving some species.

[Betwrong]

The flat-earthers would say that we haven't gone to Mars, or anywhere else "out there," and that NASA is all a lie to suck tax money out of the people.

Even if the flat-earthers are wrong, GET RID OF TAXATION, because it is making slaves out of people.

In this case, lots of people don't care one iota for stuff about MARS. They are too busy trying to find food for themselves and their family. GET RID OF TAXATION, because taxation is the reason that people are starving, while other people stupidly talk about water on Mars.

Partly I agree with you, lots of stupid things which people don't need at all are sponsored by the Governmentget, but as everyone knows there are some useful things too, schools, hospitals, museums and scientific laboratories are among them. So maybe people should have more capability to controll where their taxes are going, but to get rid of taxation entirely is impossible in the modern world.

[BADecker]

The flat-earthers would say that we haven't gone to Mars, or anywhere else "out there," and that NASA is all a lie to suck tax money out of the people.

Even if the flat-earthers are wrong, GET RID OF TAXATION, because it is making slaves out of people.

In this case, lots of people don't care one iota for stuff about MARS. They are too busy trying to find food for themselves and their family. GET RID OF TAXATION, because taxation is the reason that people are starving, while other people stupidly talk about water on Mars.

Partly I agree with you, lots of stupid things which people don't need at all are sponsored by the Governmentget, but as everyone knows there are some useful things too, schools, hospitals, museums and scientific laboratories are among them. So maybe people should have more capability to controll where their taxes are going, but to get rid of taxation entirely is impossible in the modern world.

Schools are being used to brainwash the kids into thinking that there is a need for taxation and government.

Hospitals are using medicine to kill people - close to 100% of medicine is poison - rather than using nutrition to heal the people. And all this so that Big Pharma can make money, some of which they use to bribe government into letting them continue.

Museums are fun things rather than necessary things. They show us things of the dead that didn't help the dead to live.

Scientific laboratories live on a lie. They continue to bring up new theories that they can't prove, and then act like they are fact, knowing all along that they aren't. It's the engineers that make things work, mostly outside of the science that was discovered before. Then the scientists go and find out why the thing works, and take credit for something that the engineers put together.

Keep the engineers. Get rid of the taxation. Be free from the leaches.

[Betwrong]

The flat-earthers would say that we haven't gone to Mars, or anywhere else "out there," and that NASA is all a lie to suck tax money out of the people.

Even if the flat-earthers are wrong, GET RID OF TAXATION, because it is making slaves out of people.

In this case, lots of people don't care one iota for stuff about MARS. They are too busy trying to find food for themselves and their family. GET RID OF TAXATION, because taxation is the reason that people are starving, while other people stupidly talk about water on Mars.

Partly I agree with you, lots of stupid things which people don't need at all are sponsored by the Governmentget, but as everyone knows there are some useful things too, schools, hospitals, museums and scientific laboratories are among them. So maybe people should have more capability to controll where their taxes are going, but to get rid of taxation entirely is impossible in the modern world.

Schools are being used to brainwash the kids into thinking that there is a need for taxation and government.

Hospitals are using medicine to kill people - close to 100% of medicine is poison - rather than using nutrition to heal the people. And all this so that Big Pharma can make money, some of which they use to bribe government into letting them continue.

Museums are fun things rather than necessary things. They show us things of the dead that didn't help the dead to live.

Scientific laboratories live on a lie. They continue to bring up new theories that they can't prove, and then act like they are fact, knowing all along that they aren't. It's the engineers that make things work, mostly outside of the science that was discovered before. Then the scientists go and find out why the thing works, and take credit for something that the engineers put together.

Keep the engineers. Get rid of the taxation. Be free from the leaches.

I can see your point. I was thinking the same way when I was much younger than I'm now. 
Then I realized that such claims may lead to a revolution which causes deaths of many innocent peolple ...
Maybe I just got too old, idk.

[Blawpaw]

If there is liquid water in Mars it will certainly have micro-organisms as well! Wired already published an article about the recent announcement.

http://www.wired.com/2015/09/nasa-salty-liquid-water-on-mars/12?mbid=social_fb

[BADecker]

If there is liquid water in Mars it will certainly have micro-organisms as well! Wired already published an article about the recent announcement.

http://www.wired.com/2015/09/nasa-salty-liquid-water-on-mars/12?mbid=social_fb

If there aren't any micro-organisms on Mars, then Mars water won't have any micro-organisms in it.

If there ARE micro-organisms in Mars water, then they came from earth.

There was a prehistoric, advanced, worldwide civilization on earth, long before the beginnings of ancient Egypt. Ancient Egypt has records of it. Some of the records had been handed down to the ancient Egyptians in the form of stories and mythology.

If you want to see the space rockets the ages-old, before-Egypt, ancient civilization had, look at the columns in the ancient Egyptian temple of Hathor, Goddess of the sky. These rockets had the engines at the top. Read about the mythology, the beliefs the ancient Egyptians held about Hathor, and see the ancient ancient civilization in the mythology.

[jbrnt]

I have found many websites announcing the same thing. This isn't fake news:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/nasa-mars-announcment...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/space/11894339/nasa-announcement...
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/09/28/us/mars-nasa-announcement/

It's briny water flowing under the surface in Mars summer.

If there ARE micro-organisms in Mars water, then they came from earth.

Why not the other way round? Earth's micro-organisms came from Mars. 

[bryant.coleman]

This news is not 100% believable. The atmospheric pressure in Mars is not high enough to sustain the presence of liquid water. Due to the low atmospheric pressure, the water will be vaporized, and lost to outer-space. That is the reason why only the heavy gases (such as Carbon di Oxide and Methane) are present in the martian atmosphere.

[Spendulus]

This news is not 100% believable. The atmospheric pressure in Mars is not high enough to sustain the presence of liquid water. Due to the low atmospheric pressure, the water will be vaporized, and lost to outer-space. That is the reason why only the heavy gases (such as Carbon di Oxide and Methane) are present in the martian atmosphere.

Because the news presents "a hydrate" as "water."  It's not, of course.

[winspiral]

I do not know if it is water...
but if fish are in it...then certainly.

[David Cameroon]

If they found ice there before then this isn't that exciting to me

I do not know if it is water...
but if fish are in it...then certainly.

LOL. Now finding fish in it certainly would be exciting. The best you could hope for is bacteria.

[leex1528]

Big announcement?  I thought we know about that a long time that Mars had water?  Was I wrong?  What else could be the announcement?

[beepboopbeep]

I thought mars was too cold to have water in liquid form. I guess not?

[Racey]

I remember see this video, way cool and pretold before NASA (Never a Straight answer)

Published on Nov 27, 2014  Mars Scientific Proof of Life, Oxygen, Methane, Ozone, & Flowing Water.

[Daniel91]

I also think I remember I heard this news a long time ago so really don't understand why is this so big news now
I was expecting some really shocking news like, for example, that they find a life on MARS!

[mexxer-2]

Breaking news!! Thanks for the info man, but I'm sure everyone in the world has been informed by google of the news today from the doodle
Quite creative I must say

[criptix]

This news is not 100% believable. The atmospheric pressure in Mars is not high enough to sustain the presence of liquid water. Due to the low atmospheric pressure, the water will be vaporized, and lost to outer-space. That is the reason why only the heavy gases (such as Carbon di Oxide and Methane) are present in the martian atmosphere.

Because the news presents "a hydrate" as "water."  It's not, of course.

Ojha and his team have watched these lineae form every Martian summer, growing wider week after week until they slowly fade come winter—exactly the times and places where conditions are right for liquid water to exist on Mars. Plus, the surface is crusted with salt, which could help stabilize liquid water so it doesn’t boil or freeze.

Ojha notes that they haven’t actually observed water flowing on Mars. The team took their data from the CRISM instrument on the Mars Reconnaisance Orbiter, which, frustratingly, only observes the surface every day at 3 pm. That’s when Mars is at its hottest and driest, so any liquid water oozing on the surface would have long since evaporated by the time MRO laid eyes on it.

Still, the water left a distinctive chemical trace. “Whatever is flowing on Mars is hydrating the salt,” Ojha says, “and we’re seeing that hydration in the spectral signature.” After extracting spectral information from pixels of the CRISM instrument’s data, Ojha and his team determined that the salts—magnesium perchlorate, magnesium chlorate, and sodium perchlorate—had water molecules interspersed in their crystal structures. That’s pretty strong evidence that they were deposited by flowing water.

we know that there is ice on mars - another form of water no biggie.
but liquid water is big, because it is - atleast for us - the base of life, so there might be aliens right now living on mars :9

[Spendulus]

This news is not 100% believable. The atmospheric pressure in Mars is not high enough to sustain the presence of liquid water. Due to the low atmospheric pressure, the water will be vaporized, and lost to outer-space. That is the reason why only the heavy gases (such as Carbon di Oxide and Methane) are present in the martian atmosphere.

Because the news presents "a hydrate" as "water."  It's not, of course.

Ojha and his team have watched these lineae form every Martian summer, growing wider week after week until they slowly fade come winter—exactly the times and places where conditions are right for liquid water to exist on Mars. Plus, the surface is crusted with salt, which could help stabilize liquid water so it doesn’t boil or freeze.

Ojha notes that they haven’t actually observed water flowing on Mars. The team took their data from the CRISM instrument on the Mars Reconnaisance Orbiter, which, frustratingly, only observes the surface every day at 3 pm. That’s when Mars is at its hottest and driest, so any liquid water oozing on the surface would have long since evaporated by the time MRO laid eyes on it.

Still, the water left a distinctive chemical trace. “Whatever is flowing on Mars is hydrating the salt,” Ojha says, “and we’re seeing that hydration in the spectral signature.” After extracting spectral information from pixels of the CRISM instrument’s data, Ojha and his team determined that the salts—magnesium perchlorate, magnesium chlorate, and sodium perchlorate—had water molecules interspersed in their crystal structures. That’s pretty strong evidence that they were deposited by flowing water.

we know that there is ice on mars - another form of water no biggie.
but liquid water is big, because it is - atleast for us - the base of life, so there might be aliens right now living on mars :9

Oh, hydrating the salt is a big deal?

Concrete - hydrated.....

Geophysically, there is nothing that would prevent large underground liquid water deposits on Mars.

[bit3000]

This news is not 100% believable. The atmospheric pressure in Mars is not high enough to sustain the presence of liquid water. Due to the low atmospheric pressure, the water will be vaporized, and lost to outer-space. That is the reason why only the heavy gases (such as Carbon di Oxide and Methane) are present in the martian atmosphere.

Because the news presents "a hydrate" as "water."  It's not, of course.

Ojha and his team have watched these lineae form every Martian summer, growing wider week after week until they slowly fade come winter—exactly the times and places where conditions are right for liquid water to exist on Mars. Plus, the surface is crusted with salt, which could help stabilize liquid water so it doesn’t boil or freeze.

Ojha notes that they haven’t actually observed water flowing on Mars. The team took their data from the CRISM instrument on the Mars Reconnaisance Orbiter, which, frustratingly, only observes the surface every day at 3 pm. That’s when Mars is at its hottest and driest, so any liquid water oozing on the surface would have long since evaporated by the time MRO laid eyes on it.

Still, the water left a distinctive chemical trace. “Whatever is flowing on Mars is hydrating the salt,” Ojha says, “and we’re seeing that hydration in the spectral signature.” After extracting spectral information from pixels of the CRISM instrument’s data, Ojha and his team determined that the salts—magnesium perchlorate, magnesium chlorate, and sodium perchlorate—had water molecules interspersed in their crystal structures. That’s pretty strong evidence that they were deposited by flowing water.

we know that there is ice on mars - another form of water no biggie.
but liquid water is big, because it is - atleast for us - the base of life, so there might be aliens right now living on mars :9

Oh, hydrating the salt is a big deal?

Concrete - hydrated.....

Geophysically, there is nothing that would prevent large underground liquid water deposits on Mars.

Those hydrated salt are produced by the flowing liquid water.

Can curiosity reach these channels?

[maartenhaha]

actually it's not water but brine, so all to mars with our fish!!

[Spendulus]

This news is not 100% believable. The atmospheric pressure in Mars is not high enough to sustain the presence of liquid water. Due to the low atmospheric pressure, the water will be vaporized, and lost to outer-space. That is the reason why only the heavy gases (such as Carbon di Oxide and Methane) are present in the martian atmosphere.

Because the news presents "a hydrate" as "water."  It's not, of course.

Ojha and his team have watched these lineae form every Martian summer, growing wider week after week until they slowly fade come winter—exactly the times and places where conditions are right for liquid water to exist on Mars. Plus, the surface is crusted with salt, which could help stabilize liquid water so it doesn’t boil or freeze.

Ojha notes that they haven’t actually observed water flowing on Mars. The team took their data from the CRISM instrument on the Mars Reconnaisance Orbiter, which, frustratingly, only observes the surface every day at 3 pm. That’s when Mars is at its hottest and driest, so any liquid water oozing on the surface would have long since evaporated by the time MRO laid eyes on it.

Still, the water left a distinctive chemical trace. “Whatever is flowing on Mars is hydrating the salt,” Ojha says, “and we’re seeing that hydration in the spectral signature.” After extracting spectral information from pixels of the CRISM instrument’s data, Ojha and his team determined that the salts—magnesium perchlorate, magnesium chlorate, and sodium perchlorate—had water molecules interspersed in their crystal structures. That’s pretty strong evidence that they were deposited by flowing water.

we know that there is ice on mars - another form of water no biggie.
but liquid water is big, because it is - atleast for us - the base of life, so there might be aliens right now living on mars :9

Oh, hydrating the salt is a big deal?

Concrete - hydrated.....

Geophysically, there is nothing that would prevent large underground liquid water deposits on Mars.

Those hydrated salt are produced by the flowing liquid water.

Can curiosity reach these channels?

There is not liquid water "flowing" on the surface of mars, because it would boil off before it could "flow."  Period.

[Losvienleg]

The flat-earthers would say that we haven't gone to Mars, or anywhere else "out there," and that NASA is all a lie to suck tax money out of the people.

Even if the flat-earthers are wrong, GET RID OF TAXATION, because it is making slaves out of people.

In this case, lots of people don't care one iota for stuff about MARS. They are too busy trying to find food for themselves and their family. GET RID OF TAXATION, because taxation is the reason that people are starving, while other people stupidly talk about water on Mars.

Partly I agree with you, lots of stupid things which people don't need at all are sponsored by the Governmentget, but as everyone knows there are some useful things too, schools, hospitals, museums and scientific laboratories are among them. So maybe people should have more capability to controll where their taxes are going, but to get rid of taxation entirely is impossible in the modern world.

We can't let the poeple control where the taxes go because hippies would like shut down the army, stupid people would like to shut down museums,...

[BADecker]

The flat-earthers would say that we haven't gone to Mars, or anywhere else "out there," and that NASA is all a lie to suck tax money out of the people.

Even if the flat-earthers are wrong, GET RID OF TAXATION, because it is making slaves out of people.

In this case, lots of people don't care one iota for stuff about MARS. They are too busy trying to find food for themselves and their family. GET RID OF TAXATION, because taxation is the reason that people are starving, while other people stupidly talk about water on Mars.

Partly I agree with you, lots of stupid things which people don't need at all are sponsored by the Governmentget, but as everyone knows there are some useful things too, schools, hospitals, museums and scientific laboratories are among them. So maybe people should have more capability to controll where their taxes are going, but to get rid of taxation entirely is impossible in the modern world.

We can't let the poeple control where the taxes go because hippies would like shut down the army, stupid people would like to shut down museums,...

Other stupid people want to keep museums open.

Want a museum? Join with all the rest of the people who want museums, together pay for your museums, and stop making slaves of the rest of us to keep the museums open through taxation. Get you permanent pass to your museum, and don't let non-pass-holders in.

This goes for everything else, as well. From NASA to Greenpeace. From Obamacare to food lines for the poor. You wanna support it? Go ahead. But quit making me support the things I don't want through slavery taxes.

[Spendulus]

actually it's not water but brine, so all to mars with our fish!!

Here is an explanation.  It looks like I was wrong, there are some areas that will support liquid water without it immediately boiling off.  The temperature must be 0C to 10C range.

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2000/ast29jun_1m/

[BADecker]

actually it's not water but brine, so all to mars with our fish!!

Here is an explanation.  It looks like I was wrong, there are some areas that will support liquid water without it immediately boiling off.  The temperature must be 0C to 10C range.

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2000/ast29jun_1m/

Oh boy! Stock it with sharks.   

[Mrzinzin]

I won't believe until they publish a picture of a river or a lake in mars, even if very small one

So far, only conjectures

[michietn94]

This is amazing new and humanity is getting one step ahead to covering mystery of Mars. Honestly, I'm really curious about Mars, Is that true on ancient there were a life exist on Mars...

Big announcement?  I thought we know about that a long time that Mars had water?  Was I wrong?  What else could be the announcement?

I think before this announcement, they just said without any exact proof.


Anyway I think this movie will gain more income because of this NASA news 

[Madness]

I don't see why you guys are excited about it , I'am pretty sure we are not going to live there and now one will ,even if we do it will be like shitload of years from now and it won't be that cheap .

So IMO cost for a single person to go to the Moon should be anywhere between $300 million to $600 million. Here I am considering that the costs will be halved at the least. And if several people are made to land on the Moon together, the figure might come down to as low as $100 million each.

Maybe they should start finding cures for diseases and help poor people instead of making useless trips , at least this is my opinion . space can wait

[Losvienleg]

I don't see why you guys are excited about it , I'am pretty sure we are not going to live there and now one will ,even if we do it will be like shitload of years from now and it won't be that cheap .

So IMO cost for a single person to go to the Moon should be anywhere between $300 million to $600 million. Here I am considering that the costs will be halved at the least. And if several people are made to land on the Moon together, the figure might come down to as low as $100 million each.

Maybe they should start finding cures for diseases and help poor people instead of making useless trips , at least this is my opinion . space can wait

You want to "help poor people" instead of discovering things on planets, instead of travelling in the space ?! The state isn't their mother. If they can't live by themselves that's sad, but we can't destroy one of the biggest progress of the whole humanity for poor drugged guys who won't do anything for the world.

[Madness]

I don't see why you guys are excited about it , I'am pretty sure we are not going to live there and now one will ,even if we do it will be like shitload of years from now and it won't be that cheap .

So IMO cost for a single person to go to the Moon should be anywhere between $300 million to $600 million. Here I am considering that the costs will be halved at the least. And if several people are made to land on the Moon together, the figure might come down to as low as $100 million each.

Maybe they should start finding cures for diseases and help poor people instead of making useless trips , at least this is my opinion . space can wait

You want to "help poor people" instead of discovering things on planets, instead of travelling in the space ?! The state isn't their mother. If they can't live by themselves that's sad, but we can't destroy one of the biggest progress of the whole humanity for poor drugged guys who won't do anything for the world.

So what this means ? let poor people die on hunger ? I'am not sure how you people think honestly because if the goverments don't give a shit about their citizens dying then I don't know who will .

[bit3000]

I don't see why you guys are excited about it , I'am pretty sure we are not going to live there and now one will ,even if we do it will be like shitload of years from now and it won't be that cheap .

So IMO cost for a single person to go to the Moon should be anywhere between $300 million to $600 million. Here I am considering that the costs will be halved at the least. And if several people are made to land on the Moon together, the figure might come down to as low as $100 million each.

Maybe they should start finding cures for diseases and help poor people instead of making useless trips , at least this is my opinion . space can wait

You want to "help poor people" instead of discovering things on planets, instead of travelling in the space ?! The state isn't their mother. If they can't live by themselves that's sad, but we can't destroy one of the biggest progress of the whole humanity for poor drugged guys who won't do anything for the world.

They don't have any resources.Unlike you, who has inherited some dimes from your parents.You were brought up and fed by your MAMA PAPA.You are lucky to have these resources.
Trade your shoes with them and look at the shit they go through.
They were never the type of kid to wait by the door and pack there bags or sat on the porch and hoped and pray for a dad to show up who never did.
There state is their mother.

[BADecker]

I don't see why you guys are excited about it , I'am pretty sure we are not going to live there and now one will ,even if we do it will be like shitload of years from now and it won't be that cheap .

So IMO cost for a single person to go to the Moon should be anywhere between $300 million to $600 million. Here I am considering that the costs will be halved at the least. And if several people are made to land on the Moon together, the figure might come down to as low as $100 million each.

Maybe they should start finding cures for diseases and help poor people instead of making useless trips , at least this is my opinion . space can wait

They don't want cures for people. What they want is medicine that helps people only a little. Then the people get sick again, and come back to buy more medicine. It's all about money.

Big Pharma gets money by making medicine, and NASA gets money by proposing stupidity like a Mars mission.

A bleach called MMS is curing all kinds of diseases. See http://mmsnews.org/. Look down below the video links for other website links, and read the info in this website itself.

The MMS people worked with the Red Cross in Africa to cure Malaria in 154 people in one day. Now the Red Cross won't admit that it worked. Here are two of the videos that it DID work - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrwZN1cPfX8 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jY2yab0uLc.

[Losvienleg]

So what this means ? let poor people die on hunger ? I'am not sure how you people think honestly because if the goverments don't give a shit about their citizens dying then I don't know who will .

They don't have any resources.Unlike you, who has inherited some dimes from your parents.You were brought up and fed by your MAMA PAPA.You are lucky to have these resources.
Trade your shoes with them and look at the shit they go through.
They were never the type of kid to wait by the door and pack there bags or sat on the porch and hoped and pray for a dad to show up who never did.
There state is their mother.

I never seen someone that was so poor that you describe it. A friend of mine has a cleaning company and even really poor people don't want to work on it because they are not so hungry to clean dead rats. We do not talk about orphans. Normally they have a dad and a mom (except with faggots). Those parents have a job, and if they do not have one, they have to make cleaning jobs or make signature campaigns   ! If they can't feed them by themselves why they don't go in the forest and eat something free ?

[apollofire]

Thats huge discovery of this century. Hope it is real. Quite happy Thanks

[acroman08]

Awesome liquid water on mars its very likely microbes will be living
In it.and im sure large deposit of liquid water will be down beneath it several hundred meters deep. Just hoping curiosity will dug up a fossil and then thats the
Big news for me.

[BADecker]

After watching the NASA video at http://www.space.com/27560-orion-capsule-test-flight-video.html, I wouldn't trust anything that NASA says.

First, the video seems to act like we never made it through the Van Allen Belts. One line the narrator, Kelly Smith, says talking about the radiation of the Van Allen Belts in the video, is, "...we must solve these challenges before we send people through these areas of space... ."

Well, did they solve those challenges in the Apollo missions, or not?

In addition, why a stupid space capsule when we could have revamped a Space Shuttle to do the job much easier?

See the posting war at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1191281.msg12566405#msg12566405 to see what I mean.

NASA is simply out to get more of your tax dollars.

[scott btc]

I'm confused by science words. Is there actually water or just evidence? Could I put it in the cup or no?

[saturn643]

Can someone explain why this is a big deal? I thought we already knew water was on Mars?

[Spendulus]

I'm confused by science words. Is there actually water or just evidence? Could I put it in the cup or no?

In at least one area on Mars, at a very limited time of the day and likely a limited time of the year, you could walk to one of the ravines showed in the picture, jump down in it, maybe dig a bit through cold, wet mud, and fill a cup with water. It wouldn't be something you could drink, no.

If you went too early you would find the ravine bottom hard icy mud.  If you went too late, a few hours after it was liquid, it might have all boiled off (if the temperature moved above about 10C) or it would have refrozen (if the temperature moved below 0C). 

But if you dug a well in that area, say two hundred meters down, it would always be liquid.  And it might possibly be clean water, if the sedimentary action is similar to here.   

[BADecker]

I'm confused by science words. Is there actually water or just evidence? Could I put it in the cup or no?

In at least one area on Mars, at a very limited time of the day and likely a limited time of the year, you could walk to one of the ravines showed in the picture, jump down in it, maybe dig a bit through cold, wet mud, and fill a cup with water. It wouldn't be something you could drink, no.

If you went too early you would find the ravine bottom hard icy mud.  If you went too late, a few hours after it was liquid, it might have all boiled off (if the temperature moved above about 10C) or it would have refrozen (if the temperature moved below 0C). 

But if you dug a well in that area, say two hundred meters down, it would always be liquid.  And it might possibly be clean water, if the sedimentary action is similar to here.   

I like science fiction.

You did quite a good job of writing in this sci-fi blurb. You might have a future in writing sci-fi.

 

[Losvienleg]

Can someone explain why this is a big deal? I thought we already knew water was on Mars?

We already knew it, this is true. But we didn't know that there was liquid water on Mars.

[neochiny]

ok NASA found water in mars.
so now they are claiming that there is a big possiblity
that there are someone or anyone can live in there?
lolz.. i dont think that this news is really a great progress for them.
and i hope they can do better than it.

[Lenore]

You just never know.  Someone stated that if there is life there that it came from mars.   Yet no one really knows for sure.  Whos to say our life didnt come from there.

Under the surface who is to say there isn't so called people that live strictly underground. 

We wont really know until we can get people on these planets to actually search and find out what it is people only have a theory about being there or also exactly how the atmosphere really is.

Until we can get there and see no one will truly know fr sure.  Im up for a trip

[Lauda]

that there are someone or anyone can live in there?
lolz.. i dont think that this news is really a great progress for them.
and i hope they can do better than it.

I did not have time to pitch in here before. Are you saying that this discovery is not of importance? Actually this is very important. While this wouldn't dramatically change the way that we understand Mars today, this gives us new hopes that there is life on Mars today. Liquid water is important because of the potential for life. All life on Earth requires water to survive (or almost all). This also makes the search for life easier than previously though and it might push the agency towards more missions on Mars.

You just never know.  Someone stated that if there is life there that it came from mars.   Yet no one really knows for sure.  Whos to say our life didnt come from there.

Absence of evidence is evidence? One can look at it like that as well.

[Spendulus]

You just never know. .....
Until we can get there and see no one will truly know fr sure.  Im up for a trip

The robots which are there can see more, longer, better than you or I.

They are doing a very nice job.

[BADecker]

Just remember, we have found water on comets, as well.   

[Spendulus]

Can someone explain why this is a big deal? I thought we already knew water was on Mars?

We already knew it, this is true. But we didn't know that there was liquid water on Mars.

This isn't exactly true.  From water on the poles, etc we can infer a "water cycle" on the planet.  But that's inferred.  The absence of a water cycle though is unthinkable, given that sometimes the ground temperatures are 80F.

A water cycle would mean liquid water in the ground is brought to the surface or nearly so, then boils off, then drifts to the poles, falls as snow and accumulates on the ground.  But then the depths of the ice caps might be melting, and subterranean flows carry the (liquid) water back towards the equator.

I'm not seeing the whole cycle, frankly, but there must be a lot of people trying to figure it out right now.

[mariding]

Even though it has no impact on most of life on earth, and we can do nothing with this information in the next few decades, it's good to know that there is water on mars, apparently moving around or something. I hope that in about 100 years, we can stop waging a wasteful war (on militias halfway around the world that pose less threat to US citizens than the cartels), to maybe set up colonies in mars.

[Spendulus]

You just never know.  Someone stated that if there is life there that it came from mars.   Yet no one really knows for sure.  Whos to say our life didnt come from there.

Under the surface who is to say there isn't so called people that live strictly underground. 
....

That would imply living strictly underground, with ZERO evidence of their existence above ground.  That seems unlikely.  A similar question would be something like "dolphins are intelligent, but there is no evidence of them "above ground."'

Mars is starting to shape up something like Arrakis, though...

[Lenore]

Just remember, we have found water on comets, as well.   

Yes Yes this is true.   

Also how do we know its really water.

Whos to say its not liquid nitrogen or something similar.  Not says exactly that but there are other liquids that it could possibly be.  Some do mimic water.  Especially if we can not get close enough to really find out.

Dunno just a thought.

Oh and Badeckr, guessing you like this section in the forum.   Always see you in it.

[BADecker]

Just remember, we have found water on comets, as well.   

Yes Yes this is true.   

Also how do we know its really water.

Whos to say its not liquid nitrogen or something similar.  Not says exactly that but there are other liquids that it could possibly be.  Some do mimic water.  Especially if we can not get close enough to really find out.

Dunno just a thought.

Oh and Badeckr, guessing you like this section in the forum.   Always see you in it.

Oh Lenore, who are you? All these new names in the forum, and no way to know if somebody simply started a new handle, or if it really is someone new.

 

[Spendulus]

Just remember, we have found water on comets, as well.   

Yes Yes this is true.   

Also how do we know its really water.

Whos to say its not liquid nitrogen or something similar.  Not says exactly that but there are other liquids that it could possibly be.  Some do mimic water.  Especially if we can not get close enough to really find out.

Dunno just a thought.

Oh and Badeckr, guessing you like this section in the forum.   Always see you in it.

The instruments aren't perfect, but they certainly tell N from C or O.   

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronomical_spectroscopy#Complex_molecules

[Lenore]

Just remember, we have found water on comets, as well.   

Yes Yes this is true.   

Also how do we know its really water.

Whos to say its not liquid nitrogen or something similar.  Not says exactly that but there are other liquids that it could possibly be.  Some do mimic water.  Especially if we can not get close enough to really find out.

Dunno just a thought.

Oh and Badeckr, guessing you like this section in the forum.   Always see you in it.

Oh Lenore, who are you? All these new names in the forum, and no way to know if somebody simply started a new handle, or if it really is someone new.

 

Oh no I am really someone new.   Was a troll without a name for a long time and decided to finally join so I can post and participate.  New to Yobit as well.  Kinda around the same time this account was created.  But been on Polo for a while now.

No way to prove it unless I can post a join date on all my site I am on.   But then again that still doesn't prove anything now does it.

But yes I am a new name and person to this forum besides the trollin.

[vero]

well, if there IS water, and there IS life... even in bacteria form... DON'T BRING IT TO EARTH! there's no telling how it will react with our environment.

[Gronthaing]

well, if there IS water, and there IS life... even in bacteria form... DON'T BRING IT TO EARTH! there's no telling how it will react with our environment.

If there was life and they brought it back it would be contained. Probably kept in an environment close to where it came from. So they can study it without risking that life or us. But I don't think they would bring something back and not have an idea of what they are dealing with first.

[BADecker]

well, if there IS water, and there IS life... even in bacteria form... DON'T BRING IT TO EARTH! there's no telling how it will react with our environment.

If there was life and they brought it back it would be contained. Probably kept in an environment close to where it came from. So they can study it without risking that life or us. But I don't think they would bring something back and not have an idea of what they are dealing with first.

If there is life, it is probably a mutated form of some kind of bacteria/virus we accidentally sent there with one of our landers.

[Gronthaing]

well, if there IS water, and there IS life... even in bacteria form... DON'T BRING IT TO EARTH! there's no telling how it will react with our environment.

If there was life and they brought it back it would be contained. Probably kept in an environment close to where it came from. So they can study it without risking that life or us. But I don't think they would bring something back and not have an idea of what they are dealing with first.

If there is life, it is probably a mutated form of some kind of bacteria/virus we accidentally sent there with one of our landers.

Could be. There is a limit to how clean the landers can be. They are trying to prevent contamination of areas of the planet that could have evidence of life. But maybe a few bugs already made it there. Or maybe life appeared on Mars first. And came to Earth billions of years ago on the many millions of tons of rocks that came from there. Wouldn't be as interesting as finding something new though. But we'll know for sure if they find something.

[Franciem]

I think we can life in mars, but not now,
maybe 1000 year again
but we do not know when the end will come, the earth and everything can be destroyed without the opportunity to move to mars

[Losvienleg]

I think we can life in mars, but not now,
maybe 1000 year again
but we do not know when the end will come, the earth and everything can be destroyed without the opportunity to move to mars

I think we're perfectly able to live on Mars in just 30 years. And Earth won't explode in less than 1000 years  because it will never. However, the Sun's collapse is in "just" 4 000 000 000 years. In so much time we'll have found and colonized manys new planets  !

[Spendulus]

I think we can life in mars, but not now,
maybe 1000 year again
but we do not know when the end will come, the earth and everything can be destroyed without the opportunity to move to mars

I think we're perfectly able to live on Mars in just 30 years. ...

Not in any self sustaining mode.

100-200 years for that is more realistic.  Even that might not allow local production of things like advanced tech medicines, electronics or sensors.  And we'd need to raise herds of cattle and pigs, for steaks and bacon.

Can't move there until we have that, now can we?

[Lazada]

MARS always been like Earth. and someday the earth will feel like-what MARS feel today.

[bit3000]

MARS always been like Earth. and someday the earth will feel like-what MARS feel today.

If Mars every had a civilization then I think they sent some of the species on the Earth to thrive.A very vague idea though

[BlackBaron]

I think we can life in mars, but not now,
maybe 1000 year again
but we do not know when the end will come, the earth and everything can be destroyed without the opportunity to move to mars

I think we're perfectly able to live on Mars in just 30 years. ...

Not in any self sustaining mode.

100-200 years for that is more realistic.  Even that might not allow local production of things like advanced tech medicines, electronics or sensors.  And we'd need to raise herds of cattle and pigs, for steaks and bacon.

Can't move there until we have that, now can we?

Even now we can perfectly live in Mars underground. Underground we are safe from micro meteorites, radiation, strong wind, dust and temperature fluctuation.

We can plant and raise some herds underground in mars. We can get energy from the Sun or using Nuclear Reactor as power source. We can produce oxygen from the water. We can seal the entrance to prevent the oxygen from escaping and to maintain the pressure.

[Lazada]

MARS always been like Earth. and someday the earth will feel like-what MARS feel today.

If Mars every had a civilization then I think they sent some of the species on the Earth to thrive.A very vague idea though

it is very possible. civilization has occurred very long time. and in some previous studies a lot in common premises mars earth.

[BlackBaron]

MARS always been like Earth. and someday the earth will feel like-what MARS feel today.

If Mars every had a civilization then I think they sent some of the species on the Earth to thrive.A very vague idea though

it is very possible. civilization has occurred very long time. and in some previous studies a lot in common premises mars earth.

If there is life/civilization on Mars it would have move underground to survive.

[ThePrinceofTea]

forward, let's probe those salt... don't tell me about stupid contamination, it's already too late anyway.

[Spendulus]

I think we can life in mars, but not now,
maybe 1000 year again
but we do not know when the end will come, the earth and everything can be destroyed without the opportunity to move to mars

I think we're perfectly able to live on Mars in just 30 years. ...

Not in any self sustaining mode.

100-200 years for that is more realistic.  Even that might not allow local production of things like advanced tech medicines, electronics or sensors.  And we'd need to raise herds of cattle and pigs, for steaks and bacon.

Can't move there until we have that, now can we?

Even now we can perfectly live in Mars underground. Underground we are safe from micro meteorites, radiation, strong wind, dust and temperature fluctuation.

We can plant and raise some herds underground in mars. We can get energy from the Sun or using Nuclear Reactor as power source. We can produce oxygen from the water. We can seal the entrance to prevent the oxygen from escaping and to maintain the pressure.

I don't argue with your reasoning.  Only that any realistic implementation should be looked at as 100-200 years.  Try making up a list of required items, then determining which would be produced or manufactured on Mars and how, and what would be shipped from Earth and how.

The only practical way is to send robots, rovers that can do more than just rove around, then have them start a construction project.   NASA and other space agencies don't know how to do construction projects.  Regardless, a sufficiently large collection of robots over decades, one would think could make serious progress in creating a habitat. 

However, that would likely be counterproductive.  Much wiser would be to use such robots to study the planet, as our remote eyes and hands, then make very careful decisions as to where, and why, to place human habitats.  Then commence building them.  There isn't anything wrong with something like 30-50 years for such a period of research and study.

[Lenore]

I think we can life in mars, but not now,
maybe 1000 year again
but we do not know when the end will come, the earth and everything can be destroyed without the opportunity to move to mars

I think we're perfectly able to live on Mars in just 30 years. ...

Not in any self sustaining mode.

100-200 years for that is more realistic.  Even that might not allow local production of things like advanced tech medicines, electronics or sensors.  And we'd need to raise herds of cattle and pigs, for steaks and bacon.

Can't move there until we have that, now can we?

Even now we can perfectly live in Mars underground. Underground we are safe from micro meteorites, radiation, strong wind, dust and temperature fluctuation.

We can plant and raise some herds underground in mars. We can get energy from the Sun or using Nuclear Reactor as power source. We can produce oxygen from the water. We can seal the entrance to prevent the oxygen from escaping and to maintain the pressure.

I don't argue with your reasoning.  Only that any realistic implementation should be looked at as 100-200 years.  Try making up a list of required items, then determining which would be produced or manufactured on Mars and how, and what would be shipped from Earth and how.

The only practical way is to send robots, rovers that can do more than just rove around, then have them start a construction project.   NASA and other space agencies don't know how to do construction projects.  Regardless, a sufficiently large collection of robots over decades, one would think could make serious progress in creating a habitat. 

However, that would likely be counterproductive.  Much wiser would be to use such robots to study the planet, as our remote eyes and hands, then make very careful decisions as to where, and why, to place human habitats.  Then commence building them.  There isn't anything wrong with something like 30-50 years for such a period of research and study.

[BlackBaron]

I think we can life in mars, but not now,
maybe 1000 year again
but we do not know when the end will come, the earth and everything can be destroyed without the opportunity to move to mars

I think we're perfectly able to live on Mars in just 30 years. ...

Not in any self sustaining mode.

100-200 years for that is more realistic.  Even that might not allow local production of things like advanced tech medicines, electronics or sensors.  And we'd need to raise herds of cattle and pigs, for steaks and bacon.

Can't move there until we have that, now can we?

Even now we can perfectly live in Mars underground. Underground we are safe from micro meteorites, radiation, strong wind, dust and temperature fluctuation.

We can plant and raise some herds underground in mars. We can get energy from the Sun or using Nuclear Reactor as power source. We can produce oxygen from the water. We can seal the entrance to prevent the oxygen from escaping and to maintain the pressure.

I don't argue with your reasoning.  Only that any realistic implementation should be looked at as 100-200 years.  Try making up a list of required items, then determining which would be produced or manufactured on Mars and how, and what would be shipped from Earth and how.

The only practical way is to send robots, rovers that can do more than just rove around, then have them start a construction project.   NASA and other space agencies don't know how to do construction projects.  Regardless, a sufficiently large collection of robots over decades, one would think could make serious progress in creating a habitat. 

However, that would likely be counterproductive.  Much wiser would be to use such robots to study the planet, as our remote eyes and hands, then make very careful decisions as to where, and why, to place human habitats.  Then commence building them.  There isn't anything wrong with something like 30-50 years for such a period of research and study.

100 - 200 years are very faraway. We don't know if humans civilization would still exist on that time. We better conquer Mars now before it's too late. We are like putting our eggs in one basket if we only live on one planet. It only takes one asteriod or super volcano or nuclear war to end human civilization.

We already have the techs. All we need a serious decision to go to Mars. I think the budget for one year for the military is enough to go to Mars.

[ThePrinceofTea]

I think we can life in mars, but not now,
maybe 1000 year again
but we do not know when the end will come, the earth and everything can be destroyed without the opportunity to move to mars

I think we're perfectly able to live on Mars in just 30 years. ...

Not in any self sustaining mode.

100-200 years for that is more realistic.  Even that might not allow local production of things like advanced tech medicines, electronics or sensors.  And we'd need to raise herds of cattle and pigs, for steaks and bacon.

Can't move there until we have that, now can we?

Even now we can perfectly live in Mars underground. Underground we are safe from micro meteorites, radiation, strong wind, dust and temperature fluctuation.

We can plant and raise some herds underground in mars. We can get energy from the Sun or using Nuclear Reactor as power source. We can produce oxygen from the water. We can seal the entrance to prevent the oxygen from escaping and to maintain the pressure.

I don't argue with your reasoning.  Only that any realistic implementation should be looked at as 100-200 years.  Try making up a list of required items, then determining which would be produced or manufactured on Mars and how, and what would be shipped from Earth and how.

The only practical way is to send robots, rovers that can do more than just rove around, then have them start a construction project.   NASA and other space agencies don't know how to do construction projects.  Regardless, a sufficiently large collection of robots over decades, one would think could make serious progress in creating a habitat. 

However, that would likely be counterproductive.  Much wiser would be to use such robots to study the planet, as our remote eyes and hands, then make very careful decisions as to where, and why, to place human habitats.  Then commence building them.  There isn't anything wrong with something like 30-50 years for such a period of research and study.

100 - 200 years are very faraway. We don't know if humans civilization would still exist on that time. We better conquer Mars now before it's too late. We are like putting our eggs in one basket if we only live on one planet. It only takes one asteriod or super volcano or nuclear war to end human civilization.

We already have the techs. All we need a serious decision to go to Mars. I think the budget for one year for the military is enough to go to Mars.

I prefer to start the hostilities with a giant sunflares, unbufferable by the shield, then tectonic shift, volcanos, nuclear meltdowns, game over, next player.

[Spendulus]

I think we can life in mars, but not now,
maybe 1000 year again
but we do not know when the end will come, the earth and everything can be destroyed without the opportunity to move to mars

I think we're perfectly able to live on Mars in just 30 years. ...

Not in any self sustaining mode.

100-200 years for that is more realistic.  Even that might not allow local production of things like advanced tech medicines, electronics or sensors.  And we'd need to raise herds of cattle and pigs, for steaks and bacon.

Can't move there until we have that, now can we?

Even now we can perfectly live in Mars underground. Underground we are safe from micro meteorites, radiation, strong wind, dust and temperature fluctuation.

We can plant and raise some herds underground in mars. We can get energy from the Sun or using Nuclear Reactor as power source. We can produce oxygen from the water. We can seal the entrance to prevent the oxygen from escaping and to maintain the pressure.

I don't argue with your reasoning.  Only that any realistic implementation should be looked at as 100-200 years.  Try making up a list of required items, then determining which would be produced or manufactured on Mars and how, and what would be shipped from Earth and how.

The only practical way is to send robots, rovers that can do more than just rove around, then have them start a construction project.   NASA and other space agencies don't know how to do construction projects.  Regardless, a sufficiently large collection of robots over decades, one would think could make serious progress in creating a habitat. 

However, that would likely be counterproductive.  Much wiser would be to use such robots to study the planet, as our remote eyes and hands, then make very careful decisions as to where, and why, to place human habitats.  Then commence building them.  There isn't anything wrong with something like 30-50 years for such a period of research and study.

100 - 200 years are very faraway. We don't know if humans civilization would still exist on that time. We better conquer Mars now before it's too late. We are like putting our eggs in one basket if we only live on one planet. It only takes one asteriod or super volcano or nuclear war to end human civilization.

We already have the techs. All we need a serious decision to go to Mars. I think the budget for one year for the military is enough to go to Mars.

No, you aren't anywhere near having the techs.  Just as at the beginning of the Apollo program, that tech did not exist.  It was all invented from scratch.

In the 1950s-1960s, there were optimistic predictions of growing food in a space station, and of space stations being self sustaining.  Well, that really didn't work out too well.  This is no different.   The rosy promise really isn't enough.  You need to show and not in the abstract, the practical feasibility, but to prove it.   You need to have the farms and the herds of cattle thriving underground, show that they cannot be wiped out by a bug or a fungus or whatever.

Those are whole ecosystems to be built from scratch and which must be self sustaining.  And that's just focusing on the food aspect of the problem.  Typically in the chemical industry, a "pilot plant" is built as a test item, and run for 10-20 years before those methods are put into a 4 billion dollar investment in a facility.

So how many rockets, what type of equipment, how many cubic yards of dirt, how much concrete type material made from what, how many plants and animals, and what time from JUST FOR THAT PILOT PLANT?

Lol, that's what happens when you start to think it out...

Then figure the implementations to support a small group - small - of humans is 100-1000x larger than that pilot plant.

[ThePrinceofTea]

I think we can life in mars, but not now,
maybe 1000 year again
but we do not know when the end will come, the earth and everything can be destroyed without the opportunity to move to mars

I think we're perfectly able to live on Mars in just 30 years. ...

Not in any self sustaining mode.

100-200 years for that is more realistic.  Even that might not allow local production of things like advanced tech medicines, electronics or sensors.  And we'd need to raise herds of cattle and pigs, for steaks and bacon.

Can't move there until we have that, now can we?

Even now we can perfectly live in Mars underground. Underground we are safe from micro meteorites, radiation, strong wind, dust and temperature fluctuation.

We can plant and raise some herds underground in mars. We can get energy from the Sun or using Nuclear Reactor as power source. We can produce oxygen from the water. We can seal the entrance to prevent the oxygen from escaping and to maintain the pressure.

I don't argue with your reasoning.  Only that any realistic implementation should be looked at as 100-200 years.  Try making up a list of required items, then determining which would be produced or manufactured on Mars and how, and what would be shipped from Earth and how.

The only practical way is to send robots, rovers that can do more than just rove around, then have them start a construction project.   NASA and other space agencies don't know how to do construction projects.  Regardless, a sufficiently large collection of robots over decades, one would think could make serious progress in creating a habitat. 

However, that would likely be counterproductive.  Much wiser would be to use such robots to study the planet, as our remote eyes and hands, then make very careful decisions as to where, and why, to place human habitats.  Then commence building them.  There isn't anything wrong with something like 30-50 years for such a period of research and study.

100 - 200 years are very faraway. We don't know if humans civilization would still exist on that time. We better conquer Mars now before it's too late. We are like putting our eggs in one basket if we only live on one planet. It only takes one asteriod or super volcano or nuclear war to end human civilization.

We already have the techs. All we need a serious decision to go to Mars. I think the budget for one year for the military is enough to go to Mars.

No, you aren't anywhere near having the techs.  Just as at the beginning of the Apollo program, that tech did not exist.  It was all invented from scratch.

In the 1950s-1960s, there were optimistic predictions of growing food in a space station, and of space stations being self sustaining.  Well, that really didn't work out too well.  This is no different.   The rosy promise really isn't enough.  You need to show and not in the abstract, the practical feasibility, but to prove it.   You need to have the farms and the herds of cattle thriving underground, show that they cannot be wiped out by a bug or a fungus or whatever.

Those are whole ecosystems to be built from scratch and which must be self sustaining.  And that's just focusing on the food aspect of the problem.  Typically in the chemical industry, a "pilot plant" is built as a test item, and run for 10-20 years before those methods are put into a 4 billion dollar investment in a facility.

So how many rockets, what type of equipment, how many cubic yards of dirt, how much concrete type material made from what, how many plants and animals, and what time from JUST FOR THAT PILOT PLANT?

Lol, that's what happens when you start to think it out...

Then figure the implementations to support a small group - small - of humans is 100-1000x larger than that pilot plant.

hitch hike is faster, would you take barbarians savages in your car?

(but thank you for posting this very informative post , I liked it).

[BlackBaron]

I think we can life in mars, but not now,
maybe 1000 year again
but we do not know when the end will come, the earth and everything can be destroyed without the opportunity to move to mars

I think we're perfectly able to live on Mars in just 30 years. ...

Not in any self sustaining mode.

100-200 years for that is more realistic.  Even that might not allow local production of things like advanced tech medicines, electronics or sensors.  And we'd need to raise herds of cattle and pigs, for steaks and bacon.

Can't move there until we have that, now can we?

Even now we can perfectly live in Mars underground. Underground we are safe from micro meteorites, radiation, strong wind, dust and temperature fluctuation.

We can plant and raise some herds underground in mars. We can get energy from the Sun or using Nuclear Reactor as power source. We can produce oxygen from the water. We can seal the entrance to prevent the oxygen from escaping and to maintain the pressure.

I don't argue with your reasoning.  Only that any realistic implementation should be looked at as 100-200 years.  Try making up a list of required items, then determining which would be produced or manufactured on Mars and how, and what would be shipped from Earth and how.

The only practical way is to send robots, rovers that can do more than just rove around, then have them start a construction project.   NASA and other space agencies don't know how to do construction projects.  Regardless, a sufficiently large collection of robots over decades, one would think could make serious progress in creating a habitat. 

However, that would likely be counterproductive.  Much wiser would be to use such robots to study the planet, as our remote eyes and hands, then make very careful decisions as to where, and why, to place human habitats.  Then commence building them.  There isn't anything wrong with something like 30-50 years for such a period of research and study.

100 - 200 years are very faraway. We don't know if humans civilization would still exist on that time. We better conquer Mars now before it's too late. We are like putting our eggs in one basket if we only live on one planet. It only takes one asteriod or super volcano or nuclear war to end human civilization.

We already have the techs. All we need a serious decision to go to Mars. I think the budget for one year for the military is enough to go to Mars.

No, you aren't anywhere near having the techs.  Just as at the beginning of the Apollo program, that tech did not exist.  It was all invented from scratch.

In the 1950s-1960s, there were optimistic predictions of growing food in a space station, and of space stations being self sustaining.  Well, that really didn't work out too well.  This is no different.   The rosy promise really isn't enough.  You need to show and not in the abstract, the practical feasibility, but to prove it.   You need to have the farms and the herds of cattle thriving underground, show that they cannot be wiped out by a bug or a fungus or whatever.

Those are whole ecosystems to be built from scratch and which must be self sustaining.  And that's just focusing on the food aspect of the problem.  Typically in the chemical industry, a "pilot plant" is built as a test item, and run for 10-20 years before those methods are put into a 4 billion dollar investment in a facility.

So how many rockets, what type of equipment, how many cubic yards of dirt, how much concrete type material made from what, how many plants and animals, and what time from JUST FOR THAT PILOT PLANT?

Lol, that's what happens when you start to think it out...

Then figure the implementations to support a small group - small - of humans is 100-1000x larger than that pilot plant.

What technology we don't have yet to conquer Mars? I believe we have all technologies.

They are not successful in growing plants in space station because they don't use artificial gravity to mimic the gravity here on earth.

We can save a lot if we assemble the spaceships on the moon or in the orbit and using space elevator to and transport the materials to space.

We will not bring dirt for sure. We can go grow plants on water or using Mar's soil. I'm sure at first we will be growing algae for food and for oxygen it's very light and produces the most oxygen than other plants. And we will not be bringing Cows or Pigs mostly likely we will be culturing modified rats or chickens in Mars.

I think we will not be bringing concrete all we need is a tunneling equipment and bore a hole on solid rock on mars.

[WhatTheGox]

If there is liquid water in Mars it will certainly have micro-organisms as well! Wired already published an article about the recent announcement.

http://www.wired.com/2015/09/nasa-salty-liquid-water-on-mars/12?mbid=social_fb

Life can manifest in the most unlikely environments on earth so pretty sure there is probably many examples of life just in our solar system.

[notbatman]

I don't buy it, I don't believe NASA has sent anything to Mars. These satellites, probes and rovers they claim to have sent to Mars are still on Earth or are just straight Photoshop.

[BlackBaron]

I don't buy it, I don't believe NASA has sent anything to Mars. These satellites, probes and rovers they claim to have sent to Mars are still on Earth or are just straight Photoshop.

Why we can't send probes or rovers to Mars?

[notbatman]

I don't buy it, I don't believe NASA has sent anything to Mars. These satellites, probes and rovers they claim to have sent to Mars are still on Earth or are just straight Photoshop.

Why we can't send probes or rovers to Mars?

When you say "we" are you implying that you work for NASA?

[BlackBaron]

I don't buy it, I don't believe NASA has sent anything to Mars. These satellites, probes and rovers they claim to have sent to Mars are still on Earth or are just straight Photoshop.

Why we can't send probes or rovers to Mars?

When you "we" are you implying that you work for NASA?

"We" I mean as humanity as a whole. Whats stopping us from sending rovers to mars?

[arnav95]

Yeah, well they also once said that there is life on mars, and by that they wanted to say micro scopic life like micro organisms. Well if they say that is tryebtgenbsend a mars rover with a microscope on it to prove that there are micro organisms there alive...
Now the water thing they say that it is in frozen form and it only visible or called as water during the summer. Still a big question mark on this statement as well...

[notbatman]

I don't buy it, I don't believe NASA has sent anything to Mars. These satellites, probes and rovers they claim to have sent to Mars are still on Earth or are just straight Photoshop.

Why we can't send probes or rovers to Mars?

When you say "we" are you implying that you work for NASA?

"We" I mean as humanity as a whole. Whats stopping us from sending rovers to mars?

Humanity isn't whole, it's fragmented into various groups that are forced into conflicts by things like artificial scarcity and twisted Hegelian dialectics.

[BlackBaron]

I don't buy it, I don't believe NASA has sent anything to Mars. These satellites, probes and rovers they claim to have sent to Mars are still on Earth or are just straight Photoshop.

Why we can't send probes or rovers to Mars?

When you "we" are you implying that you work for NASA?

"We" I mean as humanity as a whole. Whats stopping us from sending rovers to mars?

Humanity isn't whole, it's fragmented into various groups that are forced into conflicts by things like artificial scarcity and twisted Hegelian dialectics.

lol, You must answer my simple question. Whats stopping us from sending rovers to mars?

[acroman08]

I think we can life in mars, but not now,
maybe 1000 year again
but we do not know when the end will come, the earth and everything can be destroyed without the opportunity to move to mars

I think we're perfectly able to live on Mars in just 30 years. ...

Not in any self sustaining mode.

100-200 years for that is more realistic.  Even that might not allow local production of things like advanced tech medicines, electronics or sensors.  And we'd need to raise herds of cattle and pigs, for steaks and bacon.

Can't move there until we have that, now can we?

Even now we can perfectly live in Mars underground. Underground we are safe from micro meteorites, radiation, strong wind, dust and temperature fluctuation.

We can plant and raise some herds underground in mars. We can get energy from the Sun or using Nuclear Reactor as power source. We can produce oxygen from the water. We can seal the entrance to prevent the oxygen from escaping and to maintain the pressure.

I don't argue with your reasoning.  Only that any realistic implementation should be looked at as 100-200 years.  Try making up a list of required items, then determining which would be produced or manufactured on Mars and how, and what would be shipped from Earth and how.

The only practical way is to send robots, rovers that can do more than just rove around, then have them start a construction project.   NASA and other space agencies don't know how to do construction projects.  Regardless, a sufficiently large collection of robots over decades, one would think could make serious progress in creating a habitat. 

However, that would likely be counterproductive.  Much wiser would be to use such robots to study the planet, as our remote eyes and hands, then make very careful decisions as to where, and why, to place human habitats.  Then commence building them.  There isn't anything wrong with something like 30-50 years for such a period of research and study.

100 - 200 years are very faraway. We don't know if humans civilization would still exist on that time. We better conquer Mars now before it's too late. We are like putting our eggs in one basket if we only live on one planet. It only takes one asteriod or super volcano or nuclear war to end human civilization.

We already have the techs. All we need a serious decision to go to Mars. I think the budget for one year for the military is enough to go to Mars.

No, you aren't anywhere near having the techs.  Just as at the beginning of the Apollo program, that tech did not exist.  It was all invented from scratch.

In the 1950s-1960s, there were optimistic predictions of growing food in a space station, and of space stations being self sustaining.  Well, that really didn't work out too well.  This is no different.   The rosy promise really isn't enough.  You need to show and not in the abstract, the practical feasibility, but to prove it.   You need to have the farms and the herds of cattle thriving underground, show that they cannot be wiped out by a bug or a fungus or whatever.

Those are whole ecosystems to be built from scratch and which must be self sustaining.  And that's just focusing on the food aspect of the problem.  Typically in the chemical industry, a "pilot plant" is built as a test item, and run for 10-20 years before those methods are put into a 4 billion dollar investment in a facility.

So how many rockets, what type of equipment, how many cubic yards of dirt, how much concrete type material made from what, how many plants and animals, and what time from JUST FOR THAT PILOT PLANT?

Lol, that's what happens when you start to think it out...

Then figure the implementations to support a small group - small - of humans is 100-1000x larger than that pilot plant.

What technology we don't have yet to conquer Mars? I believe we have all technologies.[/qoute]

Protection from radiation is what we lack even with the latest radiation suits we have wont even stand a chance if there is a solar flare that hits mars, theres even different types of radiation that solar flares Emits, and as you mars has a very weak magnetic field that protects it from radion coming from space.



[/qoute]We can save a lot if we assemble the spaceships on the moon or in the orbit and using space elevator to and transport the materials to space.[/qoute]

Just think about the debris orbiting earth, if the space elevator gets hit by it what do you think is going to happen to the tube connecting it to the space station?. And building it will add more debris.



And if NASA did send astronauts to mars they'lle have to coss theyre finger that mars wont be hit by the solar flares coming from the sun,

[n2004al]

There have been rumours saying that NASA has found water on MARS.
NASA has called for an urgent Conference.
You can watch the conference live @
http://www.nasa.gov/content/nasa-tv-on-satellite-amc-18c/
Or at Ustream

This news is to old. There are times that this news was declared. According to Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_on_Mars

"On July 28, 2005, the European Space Agency announced the existence of a crater partially filled with frozen water; some then interpreted the discovery as an "ice lake".

[bit3000]

There have been rumours saying that NASA has found water on MARS.
NASA has called for an urgent Conference.
You can watch the conference live @
http://www.nasa.gov/content/nasa-tv-on-satellite-amc-18c/
Or at Ustream

This news is to old. There are times that this news was declared. According to Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_on_Mars

"On July 28, 2005, the European Space Agency announced the existence of a crater partially filled with frozen water;[162] some then interpreted the discovery as an "ice lake"

Frozen water was discovered way back.This is liquid water and not "Frozen water".

[BlackBaron]

I think we can life in mars, but not now,
maybe 1000 year again
but we do not know when the end will come, the earth and everything can be destroyed without the opportunity to move to mars

I think we're perfectly able to live on Mars in just 30 years. ...

Not in any self sustaining mode.

100-200 years for that is more realistic.  Even that might not allow local production of things like advanced tech medicines, electronics or sensors.  And we'd need to raise herds of cattle and pigs, for steaks and bacon.

Can't move there until we have that, now can we?

Even now we can perfectly live in Mars underground. Underground we are safe from micro meteorites, radiation, strong wind, dust and temperature fluctuation.

We can plant and raise some herds underground in mars. We can get energy from the Sun or using Nuclear Reactor as power source. We can produce oxygen from the water. We can seal the entrance to prevent the oxygen from escaping and to maintain the pressure.

I don't argue with your reasoning.  Only that any realistic implementation should be looked at as 100-200 years.  Try making up a list of required items, then determining which would be produced or manufactured on Mars and how, and what would be shipped from Earth and how.

The only practical way is to send robots, rovers that can do more than just rove around, then have them start a construction project.   NASA and other space agencies don't know how to do construction projects.  Regardless, a sufficiently large collection of robots over decades, one would think could make serious progress in creating a habitat.  

However, that would likely be counterproductive.  Much wiser would be to use such robots to study the planet, as our remote eyes and hands, then make very careful decisions as to where, and why, to place human habitats.  Then commence building them.  There isn't anything wrong with something like 30-50 years for such a period of research and study.

100 - 200 years are very faraway. We don't know if humans civilization would still exist on that time. We better conquer Mars now before it's too late. We are like putting our eggs in one basket if we only live on one planet. It only takes one asteriod or super volcano or nuclear war to end human civilization.

We already have the techs. All we need a serious decision to go to Mars. I think the budget for one year for the military is enough to go to Mars.

No, you aren't anywhere near having the techs.  Just as at the beginning of the Apollo program, that tech did not exist.  It was all invented from scratch.

In the 1950s-1960s, there were optimistic predictions of growing food in a space station, and of space stations being self sustaining.  Well, that really didn't work out too well.  This is no different.   The rosy promise really isn't enough.  You need to show and not in the abstract, the practical feasibility, but to prove it.   You need to have the farms and the herds of cattle thriving underground, show that they cannot be wiped out by a bug or a fungus or whatever.

Those are whole ecosystems to be built from scratch and which must be self sustaining.  And that's just focusing on the food aspect of the problem.  Typically in the chemical industry, a "pilot plant" is built as a test item, and run for 10-20 years before those methods are put into a 4 billion dollar investment in a facility.

So how many rockets, what type of equipment, how many cubic yards of dirt, how much concrete type material made from what, how many plants and animals, and what time from JUST FOR THAT PILOT PLANT?

Lol, that's what happens when you start to think it out...

Then figure the implementations to support a small group - small - of humans is 100-1000x larger than that pilot plant.

What technology we don't have yet to conquer Mars? I believe we have all technologies.[/qoute]

Protection from radiation is what we lack even with the latest radiation suits we have wont even stand a chance if there is a solar flare that hits mars, theres even different types of radiation that solar flares Emits, and as you mars has a very weak magnetic field that protects it from radion coming from space.



[/qoute]We can save a lot if we assemble the spaceships on the moon or in the orbit and using space elevator to and transport the materials to space.[/qoute]
Just think about the debris orbiting earth, if the space elevator gets hit by it what do you think is going to happen to the tube connecting it to the space station?. And building it will add more debris.



And if NASA did send astronauts to mars they'lle have to coss theyre finger that mars wont be hit by the solar flares coming from the sun,

Space debris is monitored 24/7. We can zapped it with laser or move the space elevator a little bit.

That's why we need to live underground on Mars. While going to Mars we need proper shielding. Like 2 to 3 meters thickness of water or moon soil.

[Spendulus]

Space debris is monitored 24/7. We zapped it with laser or move the space elevator a little bit.

That's why we need to live underground on Mars. While going to Mars we need proper shielding. Like 2 to 3 meters thickness  of water or moon soil.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caves_of_Mars_Project

This is not really practical for humans, more important is careful site selection.  Then just push dirt around.

But the pictures are fascinating.

[crazy-pilot]

It is all a matter of cost, why would we spend billions on such a project? That is the question I think, yes we are / could be able to do it. But as most companies would invest, what is the profit? It's a shame that it usually comes down to this, but it usually is the case.

[notbatman]

I don't buy it, I don't believe NASA has sent anything to Mars. These satellites, probes and rovers they claim to have sent to Mars are still on Earth or are just straight Photoshop.

Why we can't send probes or rovers to Mars?

When you say "we" are you implying that you work for NASA?

"We" I mean as humanity as a whole. Whats stopping us from sending rovers to mars?

Humanity isn't whole, it's fragmented into various groups that are forced into conflicts by things like artificial scarcity and twisted Hegelian dialectics.

lol, You must answer my simple question. Whats stopping us from sending rovers to mars?

I just pointed out that humanity is fragmented yet your question still implies that it's whole by the using the term "us".

[ThePrinceofTea]

I don't buy it, I don't believe NASA has sent anything to Mars. These satellites, probes and rovers they claim to have sent to Mars are still on Earth or are just straight Photoshop.

Why we can't send probes or rovers to Mars?

When you say "we" are you implying that you work for NASA?

"We" I mean as humanity as a whole. Whats stopping us from sending rovers to mars?

Humanity isn't whole, it's fragmented into various groups that are forced into conflicts by things like artificial scarcity and twisted Hegelian dialectics.

A brother, more love to you ! Where is your suit? never remove the tin foil .

(sorry, but I had to express my support to A real Human Being, it's very rare with the collective mind merging them so fast )

[Spendulus]

If they found ice there before then this isn't that exciting to me

I do not know if it is water...
but if fish are in it...then certainly.

LOL. Now finding fish in it certainly would be exciting. The best you could hope for is bacteria.

I'm hoping they find beer.  If they do, I'm ready to go.

[johnyj]

Throw some cactus seeds in first 

[BlackBaron]

It is all a matter of cost, why would we spend billions on such a project? That is the question I think, yes we are / could be able to do it. But as most companies would invest, what is the profit? It's a shame that it usually comes down to this, but it usually is the case.

Many new things would be created/discovered during this mission and that would be priceless. There are many useful things that we use today were the by product of Space Exploration that we take for granted.

Who would know what precious ores and raw materials we will discover in Mars. Once we have a base in Mars it would be easy for us to mine Asteroids which contain more golds and precious metals more than we have in Earth.

Having live on Mars would make us a Interplanetary species and a start to spread out to this galaxy. Having only live on one planet make us very fragile species. We are currently waiting for some extinction events here on Earth that could wipe out most lifeforms like what happen in the past countless times.

[ThePrinceofTea]

it's not $ per se, but resources (time, energy, materials, trade off (why mars and not Venus ))

okay, ready to hate me :

really you will not like it...

N=National
A=Association
S=Socialist
A=America

N.A.S.A=National Association of Socialists of America

not part of the C and BoR.

the space trade federation crews around on privately own craft .

[CoinBateman]

Now onto finding life..

[BlackBaron]

Space debris is monitored 24/7. We zapped it with laser or move the space elevator a little bit.

That's why we need to live underground on Mars. While going to Mars we need proper shielding. Like 2 to 3 meters thickness  of water or moon soil.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caves_of_Mars_Project

This is not really practical for humans, more important is careful site selection.  Then just push dirt around.

But the pictures are fascinating.

If this exist a suitable underground caves that would be cost saving. All we need is to install our equipment's and we are ready to go.

[darkagentx]

Now off to find the marsians who would drink that stuff 

[Andrelvogue]

Well the people who goes to mars can drink now Mars water. xD

[Lauda]

Well the people who goes to mars can drink now Mars water. xD

Just because there is water that does not mean that it is safe for drinking (for humans). They have to do tests before they can drink it or who knows what could/would happen.

Now onto finding life..

They may possibly be no life there right now. However, it could be jump started. Elon Musk clarifies his plans to nuke mars. I'm pretty sure that someone could think of a even better idea if there was more funding to support R&D.

[Betwrong]

There have been rumours saying that NASA has found water on MARS.
NASA has called for an urgent Conference.
You can watch the conference live @
http://www.nasa.gov/content/nasa-tv-on-satellite-amc-18c/
Or at Ustream

Actually I think they were payed by the producers of the film "The Martian" to draw more attention to the subject.

The announcement was made by NASA just several days prior to the film's release. Coincedence? I don't think so. 

[Vod]

I think we're perfectly able to live on Mars in just 30 years. ...

100-200 years for that is more realistic.

100 years?  Look at all the new technology since 1915.  And we learn more every year than all of history combined.

30-40 years is about enough time to colonize Mars.  We just need to have the collective will to do so.  Like the US in the 1960 to land on the moon.

In 100 years (if we still exist) there will be several million people on Mars.  Mark my words and bookmark this post to show to your great great great grandchildren.

[Betwrong]

I think we're perfectly able to live on Mars in just 30 years. ...

100-200 years for that is more realistic.

100 years?  Look at all the new technology since 1915.  And we learn more every year than all of history combined.

30-40 years is about enough time to colonize Mars.  We just need to have the collective will to do so.  Like the US in the 1960 to land on the moon.

In 100 years (if we still exist) there will be several million people on Mars.  Mark my words and bookmark this post to show to your great great great grandchildren.

Back in the beginning 70s, after successful moon landing and all that stuff the plans were made to make the first piloted expedition to Mars in 1980. That seemed quite realistic at the time, but never happend.

[Vod]

Back in the beginning 70s, after successful moon landing and all that stuff the plans were made to make the first piloted expedition to Mars in 1980. That seemed quite realistic at the time, but never happend.

We have doubled our knowledge approx 20 times since then.

[sukamasoto]

I think we're perfectly able to live on Mars in just 30 years. ...

100-200 years for that is more realistic.

100 years?  Look at all the new technology since 1915.  And we learn more every year than all of history combined.

30-40 years is about enough time to colonize Mars.  We just need to have the collective will to do so.  Like the US in the 1960 to land on the moon.

In 100 years (if we still exist) there will be several million people on Mars.  Mark my words and bookmark this post to show to your great great great grandchildren.

I think we need more time to make unlimited resource technology and we need some massive adaption for mars gravitation

There have been rumours saying that NASA has found water on MARS.
NASA has called for an urgent Conference.
You can watch the conference live @
http://www.nasa.gov/content/nasa-tv-on-satellite-amc-18c/
Or at Ustream

Actually I think they were payed by the producers of the film "The Martian" to draw more attention to the subject.

The announcement was made by NASA just several days prior to the film's release. Coincedence? I don't think so.  

Just watched the movie and it's very horrible to survive on mars with limited resource  

[Spendulus]

I think we're perfectly able to live on Mars in just 30 years. ...

100-200 years for that is more realistic.

100 years?  Look at all the new technology since 1915.  And we learn more every year than all of history combined.

30-40 years is about enough time to colonize Mars.  We just need to have the collective will to do so.  Like the US in the 1960 to land on the moon.

In 100 years (if we still exist) there will be several million people on Mars.  Mark my words and bookmark this post to show to your great great great grandchildren.

Some things move fast, some move slower. 

I don't think you can substantiate your comments, because you are referencing what technology we have on Earth.  We have almost no technology on Mars, and it really isn't that easy to export basic infrastructure.  Like the refineries, the chemical plants, the power grid, the cities.  Sewer and water systems, farms, on and on.

Please simply explain to me how you'd make a pencil on Mars.

[BADecker]

Yes, there probably is water on Mars. But if there ever was life on Mars, it was erased long ago by this fantastic discovery... in the video, below.

Why would NASA want to hide the facts presented in the video? Because the information would change our whole understanding of physics, and science and scientists would be found out to be a bunch of scamming liars.

Watch the video. It is an hour and 20 minutes long. But you will find the proof that you need to show you:
1. NASA and science lie and deceive;
2. The thing that is probably a thousand times more exciting than water on Mars;
3. A clearer understanding as to why our earth is the way it is;
4. How religion has way more of an accurate picture of our distant past that science does.

Watch the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaL5tl2pJJc. And after you watch it, post your thoughts about the best ways to ignore the facts it reveals.



EDIT: Once you are finished watching, watch the other, longer versions of it to see that there is even more evidence for the things that are being portrayed.

[Spendulus]

..... this fantastic discovery... in the video, below.
..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaL5tl2pJJc.....

there is no discovery whatsoever in that video....

Except that the IP addresses of forum members is discovered when they click on it.

[BADecker]

..... this fantastic discovery... in the video, below.
..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaL5tl2pJJc.....

there is no discovery whatsoever in that video....

Except that the IP addresses of forum members is discovered when they click on it.

Hi, Spendy. I take it that you watched it, then. Thanks.

I had never heard of the fact of electric arc or plasma acting on Mars before. When did NASA announce it? After all, it is not spoken about in any circles that I participate in. I had not heard it before I watched the video, even though I have been aware of the electric cosmos for a long time, now.

[Spendulus]

..... this fantastic discovery... in the video, below.
..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaL5tl2pJJc.....

there is no discovery whatsoever in that video....

Except that the IP addresses of forum members is discovered when they click on it.

Hi, Spendy. I take it that you watched it, then. Thanks.

I had never heard of the fact of electric arc or plasma acting on Mars before. When did NASA announce it? After all, it is not spoken about in any circles that I participate in. I had not heard it before I watched the video, even though I have been aware of the electric cosmos for a long time, now.

That's because you are referencing pure crazy talk stuff.  There is no electric arc process involved in crater formation.  Craters are formed by big rocks in space getting caught in the gravity of a planet or moon.

Electric arcs...That's actually good for a laugh or two.

[BADecker]

..... this fantastic discovery... in the video, below.
..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaL5tl2pJJc.....

there is no discovery whatsoever in that video....

Except that the IP addresses of forum members is discovered when they click on it.

Hi, Spendy. I take it that you watched it, then. Thanks.

I had never heard of the fact of electric arc or plasma acting on Mars before. When did NASA announce it? After all, it is not spoken about in any circles that I participate in. I had not heard it before I watched the video, even though I have been aware of the electric cosmos for a long time, now.

That's because you are referencing pure crazy talk stuff.  There is no electric arc process involved in crater formation.  Craters are formed by big rocks in space getting caught in the gravity of a planet or moon.

Electric arcs...That's actually good for a laugh or two.

Oh! So you didn't watch very much of it, then.

The world will probably self-destruct before 50 more years are up, but if it doesn't, electric cosmos will be the in thing then.

[Hugroll]

Nasa uses water to hide the big discovery? i consider water a pretty big discovery. NASA announcing water on mars is huge, it means there is life possible there because if theres water theres likely oxygen there too

[BADecker]

Nasa uses water to hide the big discovery? i consider water a pretty big discovery. NASA announcing water on mars is huge, it means there is life possible there because if theres water theres likely oxygen there too

The greater discovery of electric arc and plasma creating the features on the surface of Mars, is something that shows that Mars was sterilized in the past. Indeed, if there is life there after such a great sterilization, it would be sensational, even though it (the life) would have probably come from NASA probes and vehicles that landed there.

[Spendulus]

Nasa uses water to hide the big discovery? i consider water a pretty big discovery. NASA announcing water on mars is huge, it means there is life possible there because if theres water theres likely oxygen there too

The greater discovery of electric arc and plasma creating the features on the surface of Mars, is something that shows that Mars was sterilized in the past. Indeed, if there is life there after such a great sterilization, it would be sensational, even though it (the life) would have probably come from NASA probes and vehicles that landed there.

BAD, why don't you stick to one conspiracy theory and do a good job of it?  You are all over the place.  How about Cosmic Electric Arcs hit the Twin Towers and Melted Iron on 911?

And the vanished people in the four mysteriously missing jets?  They are on Mars.

See?  It's easy.

[BADecker]

Nasa uses water to hide the big discovery? i consider water a pretty big discovery. NASA announcing water on mars is huge, it means there is life possible there because if theres water theres likely oxygen there too

The greater discovery of electric arc and plasma creating the features on the surface of Mars, is something that shows that Mars was sterilized in the past. Indeed, if there is life there after such a great sterilization, it would be sensational, even though it (the life) would have probably come from NASA probes and vehicles that landed there.

BAD, why don't you stick to one conspiracy theory and do a good job of it?  You are all over the place.  How about Cosmic Electric Arcs hit the Twin Towers and Melted Iron on 911?

And the vanished people in the four mysteriously missing jets?  They are on Mars.

See?  It's easy.

Gee, Spendy. I knew you were a little nuts. But you don't have to overdo it like this. Now, relax.

[Spendulus]

Nasa uses water to hide the big discovery? i consider water a pretty big discovery. NASA announcing water on mars is huge, it means there is life possible there because if theres water theres likely oxygen there too

The greater discovery of electric arc and plasma creating the features on the surface of Mars, is something that shows that Mars was sterilized in the past. Indeed, if there is life there after such a great sterilization, it would be sensational, even though it (the life) would have probably come from NASA probes and vehicles that landed there.

BAD, why don't you stick to one conspiracy theory and do a good job of it?  You are all over the place.  How about Cosmic Electric Arcs hit the Twin Towers and Melted Iron on 911?

And the vanished people in the four mysteriously missing jets?  They are on Mars.

See?  It's easy.

Gee, Spendy. I knew you were a little nuts. But you don't have to overdo it like this. Now, relax.

JUst trying to help you out.  Just combine all your conspiracy theories into one.  It'll be easier to keep track of and much less work.

[BADecker]

Nasa uses water to hide the big discovery? i consider water a pretty big discovery. NASA announcing water on mars is huge, it means there is life possible there because if theres water theres likely oxygen there too

The greater discovery of electric arc and plasma creating the features on the surface of Mars, is something that shows that Mars was sterilized in the past. Indeed, if there is life there after such a great sterilization, it would be sensational, even though it (the life) would have probably come from NASA probes and vehicles that landed there.

BAD, why don't you stick to one conspiracy theory and do a good job of it?  You are all over the place.  How about Cosmic Electric Arcs hit the Twin Towers and Melted Iron on 911?

And the vanished people in the four mysteriously missing jets?  They are on Mars.

See?  It's easy.

JUst trying to help you out.  Just combine all your conspiracy theories into one.  It'll be easier to keep track of and much less work.

Gee, Spendy. I knew you were a little nuts. But you don't have to overdo it like this. Now, relax.

Okay. It's the devil that is the real cause behind all the evil.

Next is the government.

Next is the bankers.

Finally we are down to people like you.

[bytezero]

Remember that maybe possible that the following 20-30 years people will be living on Mars. Or trying..

[Spendulus]

Nasa uses water to hide the big discovery? i consider water a pretty big discovery. NASA announcing water on mars is huge, it means there is life possible there because if theres water theres likely oxygen there too

The greater discovery of electric arc and plasma creating the features on the surface of Mars, is something that shows that Mars was sterilized in the past. Indeed, if there is life there after such a great sterilization, it would be sensational, even though it (the life) would have probably come from NASA probes and vehicles that landed there.

BAD, why don't you stick to one conspiracy theory and do a good job of it?  You are all over the place.  How about Cosmic Electric Arcs hit the Twin Towers and Melted Iron on 911?

And the vanished people in the four mysteriously missing jets?  They are on Mars.

See?  It's easy.

JUst trying to help you out.  Just combine all your conspiracy theories into one.  It'll be easier to keep track of and much less work.

Gee, Spendy. I knew you were a little nuts. But you don't have to overdo it like this. Now, relax.

Okay. It's the devil that is the real cause behind all the evil.

Next is the government.

Next is the bankers.

Finally we are down to people like you.

So is it the Devil running the big electric arc generators that put all those big craters on Mars?

[notbatman]

You guys are living in another universe and it exists entirely within the confines of this Earth and your minds.

[BADecker]

Nasa uses water to hide the big discovery? i consider water a pretty big discovery. NASA announcing water on mars is huge, it means there is life possible there because if theres water theres likely oxygen there too

The greater discovery of electric arc and plasma creating the features on the surface of Mars, is something that shows that Mars was sterilized in the past. Indeed, if there is life there after such a great sterilization, it would be sensational, even though it (the life) would have probably come from NASA probes and vehicles that landed there.

BAD, why don't you stick to one conspiracy theory and do a good job of it?  You are all over the place.  How about Cosmic Electric Arcs hit the Twin Towers and Melted Iron on 911?

And the vanished people in the four mysteriously missing jets?  They are on Mars.

See?  It's easy.

JUst trying to help you out.  Just combine all your conspiracy theories into one.  It'll be easier to keep track of and much less work.

Gee, Spendy. I knew you were a little nuts. But you don't have to overdo it like this. Now, relax.

Okay. It's the devil that is the real cause behind all the evil.

Next is the government.

Next is the bankers.

Finally we are down to people like you.

So is it the Devil running the big electric arc generators that put all those big craters on Mars?

From Genesis, chapter 1, verse 16:

God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.

So, you can easily see that it was God who placed the big electric plasma generators out there.

This doesn't necessarily leave out the idea that some other heavenly body came close to Mars, and interacted with it in a static electrical way. There is even evidence that the earth and Mars approached each other in the distant past. The electric arc remains on Mars might have happened when Mars passed through the Van Allen belts.

In addition, the Revelation clearly talks about the big war between the devil and the archangel, Michael, who is one of God's champion angels. When you consider all of the Revelation, it becomes apparent that some of the things happened a long time before the Revelation was written... even in the distant past. The war in the skies happened in the past. Mars could have easily been the recipient of tremendous battle energies that were used by the forces of good and evil in that war.

[LouisVuitton]

That's actually a pretty big discovery. Glad to see some new important updates coming from NASA.

[IamTalkingaboutmoney]

My reccomendesion of that is for sure, that NASA its thinking about to leave this earth for ever , image if he found drinking water or other recurces ...what you believe if he found a new source of energy or a new life  like in the muvies oo god i cant thinking about that ... in the next 5 years NASA says that he will reach the mars to explore the red planet ..my personal opinion is that we cant reach mars beacuse 4 guys of nasa its not enough.. we need robotechnology with real  artificial intelligence because one problem if  he happend in the middle of the space  what happend in the fellows and there familys think about that ..

[darkagentx]

Elon Musk has just mentioned that we might be sending people to Mars by 2024! Great things to come.

[StoreBit]

I think this is not a new news. we heard this news for so many times. may its true. its mean that then there must be live on Mars. its interesting news. if it is true then then its a very important discovery.

[xuan87]

Elon Musk has just mentioned that we might be sending people to Mars by 2024! Great things to come.

Yeah there was an article that said you can be choosen to go to Mars, Nasa has found water in Mars for a long time but the question is, can any living plants survive in Mars, if plants cant live then human cant live in Mars

[Spendulus]

Elon Musk has just mentioned that we might be sending people to Mars by 2024! Great things to come.

Yeah there was an article that said you can be choosen to go to Mars, Nasa has found water in Mars for a long time but the question is, can any living plants survive in Mars, if plants cant live then human cant live in Mars

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/topstory/2005/mars_plants.html

[BADecker]

NASA found water on Mars?  Good!  Maybe they can ship a little of it to the Sahara, and to the Southwestern part of the United States.

[Blackmet]

If water was found on Mars, it means that maybe people will go to mars soon for colonizate it. Maybe something else will be found on mars to confirm that people can move to mars.

[markj113]

[varyspro]

All right, it's time to pack your bags) Looks bored and scientists decided to draw attention to themselves. And something about the next end of the world is silent.

[gabmen]

If water was found on Mars, it means that maybe people will go to mars soon for colonizate it. Maybe something else will be found on mars to confirm that people can move to mars.

haha yeah and what if we've found water on mars? its not like we can actually move there if all things go to shit here. :p

[wowanstrong]

Yes, what can there be water? This is another fiction and speculation. Already tired of the sensation from which there is no good people

[sempak]

Yes, what can there be water? This is another fiction and speculation. Already tired of the sensation from which there is no good people

I think this is still speculation. still takes time to get credible news. we need to see from official news sources. there is a possibility nasa find water on Mars and there is also the slow lorises that this news is false.

[yuiyuga]

Better spend the money on exploration of the moon. There are more prospects. Maybe I'm afraid to fly to the moon? That it knows and is silent?

[Tyrantt]

Did they find traces of water or like an actual water, a puddle or sm siht..? There have been news about possible found of traces of water on mars, so that's kind of old news.

[SaShiRaJaVu]

if NASA found water on MARS what good it is to me,they are burning billions of dollars in the name of space programs and i do not think it is worth it to spend this much money for these sort of programs,this is my opinion regarding space programs .

[jstern]

Wait a minute. Hasn't this been known since the 90s?

[jstern]

if NASA found water on MARS what good it is to me,they are burning billions of dollars in the name of space programs and i do not think it is worth it to spend this much money for these sort of programs,this is my opinion regarding space programs .

You're wrong. I mean look at all the things that the US wastes money on. How much has the war on Iraq cost? Trillions of dollars. And then you have people complaining that NASA spent like 600 million dollars over ten years to fly by Mars. The technology development is so worth it.

[SaShiRaJaVu]

if NASA found water on MARS what good it is to me,they are burning billions of dollars in the name of space programs and i do not think it is worth it to spend this much money for these sort of programs,this is my opinion regarding space programs .

You're wrong. I mean look at all the things that the US wastes money on. How much has the war on Iraq cost? Trillions of dollars. And then you have people complaining that NASA spent like 600 million dollars over ten years to fly by Mars. The technology development is so worth it.

but then the entire economy is based on selling heavy war equipment's and guns and for a country to promote those business they have to spend some money forehand to sustain its long term goals,it is  advertisement,you have to start a war somewhere so that you could sell your own weapons to that country i appreciate one thing,if not for the space programs most of the tech advancement we see today could not be possible but how about spending money on researches which would give the people a better life,i am not just talking about US,the entire world spends most of its resources on acquiring war head, DAMN!!!! human trying new ways to kill another human