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[Sir Alpha_goy]

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[shanem]

I can't imagine it happening. The number of coins is too many and many holders got their coin at very low price during the IPO. They would see their coins which will kill off any rally.

[Spoetnik]

Just be glad the scammers didn't actually go through with their planned Cloak retirement Savings Plan scheme LOL
I stumbled onto that reading an IRC conversation via Google way back.
They even discussed merch ahahhaa

point is obviously how they talk large.. get your money.. and vanish
and then repeat it all over again with another so called "coin" aka: digital Ponzi scheme token

[montaga]

Is Ethereum about to pull a Cloak?

Well, in crypto world you never can be sure.

[RealBitcoin]

I just think ETH will pull their exit scam soon, it was a very shady coin from the start, but now losing that much money is ultra suspicious.

They will probably tell that their servers got hacked and lost all the funding, from their yachts  that they bought on the "lost" money

[Portabello75]

I just think ETH will pull their exit scam soon, it was a very shady coin from the start, but now losing that much money is ultra suspicious.

They will probably tell that their servers got hacked and lost all the funding, from their yachts  that they bought on the "lost" money

If you think the Ethereum dev team are going to pull an exit scam, you are probably the dumbest person on this forum. And that is saying something.

[tokeweed]

Well, is it?

It could.  But look where Cloak ended up in the long run.  So if you get in, better have a good plan when to check out before you even plan to check in. 

[tokeweed]

And always keep in mind, the sharks are way ahead of you.  So be careful.

[smooth]

I just think ETH will pull their exit scam soon, it was a very shady coin from the start, but now losing that much money is ultra suspicious.

They will probably tell that their servers got hacked and lost all the funding, from their yachts  that they bought on the "lost" money

It's hard to do an exit scam when they already spent most of the money (mostly to and on themselves I suspect) and told everyone about it. The past year and half has been one slow motion exit scam.

[RealBitcoin]

I just think ETH will pull their exit scam soon, it was a very shady coin from the start, but now losing that much money is ultra suspicious.

They will probably tell that their servers got hacked and lost all the funding, from their yachts  that they bought on the "lost" money

If you think the Ethereum dev team are going to pull an exit scam, you are probably the dumbest person on this forum. And that is saying something.

Its not like its the first multi million dollar altcoin that did that. Just check the news and you will see plenty scams around.

I just think ETH will pull their exit scam soon, it was a very shady coin from the start, but now losing that much money is ultra suspicious.

They will probably tell that their servers got hacked and lost all the funding, from their yachts  that they bought on the "lost" money

If you think the Ethereum dev team are going to pull an exit scam, you are probably the dumbest person on this forum. And that is saying something.

From purely an objective standpoint do you have evidence to back that up.

No but i am very suspicious about their recent activity , and they are going towards a bad path.

 Check out their salary, its huge, they are wasting money, furthermore, this could end up just like the bitcoin foundation bankruptcy.

[RealBitcoin]

I just think ETH will pull their exit scam soon, it was a very shady coin from the start, but now losing that much money is ultra suspicious.

They will probably tell that their servers got hacked and lost all the funding, from their yachts  that they bought on the "lost" money

It's hard to do an exit scam when they already spent most of the money (mostly to and on themselves I suspect) and told everyone about it. The past year and half has been one slow motion exit scam.

They could sell their remaining ETH  or print more and sell it? I am no expert.

Or they could ask for more funds, and then run away with it. At this point anything could happen, i would not be surprized.

The whole thing seems very shady to me from the start.

[chichidori]

Maybe or maybe not but seeing the graph it tells me that its kinda going that way.

[tokeweed]

^ Are you invested in Ethereum?

[tokeweed]

^ Are you invested in Ethereum?

Are you?

If this is all in fact true I would say the soon to be pump is a guarantee.

All investors have to do now is learn how to use Ethereum or trust an exchange enough to go all in.

They could also go to Shapeshift and wait up to 3 hours per transfer.

There was some heavy volume going in around August.

Did it all leave?

If this coin is backed by Goldman Sachs what better way to hitch a ride but on their own hand picked comet?

Nope, not right now.  Dumped mine during the first week.  But it wasn't that much.

[shanem]

I have a gut feeling that this is not the end of ETH and the ETH devs have some tricks under their sleeve. I sense that the ETH devs are slowly accumulating cheap ETH while there is no 'good' news at the moment.

[MrWhiteBites]

Vitalik BUterin is one very clever guy, after watching many of his video POsts, he reminds me of a young Bill Gates.  Buy ETh BAck at 50% lower than it is now in a few weeks.

[Panadacoin]

Is any people on inside dumping coins? If not it is the users to blame for the drop, not the devs. If you do not sell and your sister does not sell the price will not go down.

[RealBitcoin]

Is any people on inside dumping coins? If not it is the users to blame for the drop, not the devs. If you do not sell and your sister does not sell the price will not go down.

Well they "need" more funding so they might dump all their coins to get more "funding".

I dont know but its a possible scenario, a probable one too.

[tokeweed]

Vitalik BUterin is one very clever guy, after watching many of his video POsts, he reminds me of a young Bill Gates.  Buy ETh BAck at 50% lower than it is now in a few weeks.

The call is that on the 19th it is on.

Don't worry.  Traders are always ready for a profit.  They will definitely come in and then out eventually when the time is right.  Just not right now.

[Spoetnik]

Is any people on inside dumping coins? If not it is the users to blame for the drop, not the devs. If you do not sell and your sister does not sell the price will not go down.

Well they "need" more funding so they might dump all their coins to get more "funding".

I dont know but its a possible scenario, a probable one too.

Sounds like the Blockent dev and crew asking for almost a million dollars in "funding"  
So how is Blocknet doing guys ? dev supporting it ? Is he following his road map ?
Kinda funny it came out and i said he was gonna do a cash grab for $1000000.00 dollars
and sure enough..

edit:
why do you guys invest in these things ?
admitting earlier you bought Ethereum ? really seriously ?

[RealBitcoin]

I have a gut feeling that this is not the end of ETH and the ETH devs have some tricks under their sleeve. I sense that the ETH devs are slowly accumulating cheap ETH while there is no 'good' news at the moment.

I dont know, the idea of ETH is good, but the implementation so far sucks. We got nothing so far, not even a client, that should raise some red flags.

If you always talk about something, then you will never have time to do it...

[Cointoli]

Why do guys think that this will survive long term? I believe this goes against bitcoin...

[Cointoli]

Why do guys think that this will survive long term? I believe this goes against bitcoin...

One thing to understand is that outside influences (IMO) actually select what coins survive long term.

They also decide what major coins will be pumped, dumped, and neglected.

In this case with Ethereum I am picking up much "chatter".

Also, the coin seems to be mimicking the behavior of Cloak as far as pump and dump goes.

Many coins claim to be better than BItcoin.

In some cases they are and in some cases they are not.

Only time can decide that.

Please elaborate what you mean by "this goes against bitcoin".

Bitcoin has more traction and more people are involved. Ethereum is just try to be main part of this crypto revolution. Why would anyone use ethereum blockchain in the long term when more secured is bitcoin blockchain.
If 51% people are driving right and 49% left soon 100 % will be driving right and 0 left. I believe this is the same with blockchains. Why to be part of the small blockchain if everybody is using standart (bitcoin blockchain)?

[Cointoli]

Please elaborate what you mean by "this goes against bitcoin".

Bitcoin has more traction and more people are involved. Ethereum is just try to be main part of this crypto revolution. Why would anyone use ethereum blockchain in the long term when more secured is bitcoin blockchain.
If 51% people are driving right and 49% left soon 100 % will be driving right and 0 left. I believe this is the same with blockchains. Why to be part of the small blockchain if everybody is using standart (bitcoin blockchain)?

I would like to restate the message of this thread.

When I say that Ethereum looks like it is going to pull a Cloak I am simply pointing out that the price movements of the coin seem similar to what Cloak did in 2014.

Now from a speculation standpoint this has nothing to do with what the coin can do long term.

Back in July 2014 Cloak went from .0004 all the way to .0033 on July 30th according to coinmarketcap.com (http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/cloakcoin/)

That is a multiplication factor of about 8.

Since then the coins price has been less than attractive and we don't hear much from that coin anymore.

I believe that Ethereum may pull the same thing.

In the case of Ethereum I see it currently sitting in the same type of bottom that Cloak was in back in the beginning of July 2014.

So it is currently at .0026 or so and I am saying that it may pump up x8 and peak on November 15th.

As long as the coin is functional investors can trade the coin on an exchange.

All of this has nothing to do with the point you are making about it going against Bitcoin.

Don't get me wrong, your point may be valid but it has no bearing on speculation and investment.

Ideology and investment are two different machines that are not always in lockstep.

Yes, you are right. You can trade with anyting. After all it's all about attention. I was talking just about fundamentals but short term it can go anywhere.

[Cointoli]

Yes, you are right. You can trade with anyting. After all it's all about attention. I was talking just about fundamentals but short term it can go anywhere.

You nailed it right on the head.

The question is who is the one that wants attention and why?

Anymore I am starting to question what the word fundamentals even means.

It is like some abstract thought that is suppose to prove the validity of something.

In reality it equates to who is better at spreading propaganda.

You can spread propaganda as much as you wish but sometimes you simply can't piss against wind unless you'll get wet. Nature has it's rules and we can violate them only for time being. That's how I understand fundamentals - something natural.

[Cointoli]

You can spread propaganda as much as you wish but sometimes you simply can't piss against wind unless you'll get wet. Nature has it's rules and we can violate them only for time being. That's how I understand fundamentals - something natural.

Therein lies another question.

What is natural?

If we exist in nature, or the material sphere, then is that which we create part of nature?

Is all of what we do natural if it is all contained within the material sphere?

Reminds me of another chart that hopefully is not pissing against the wind as you say.



After all, as you state, nature has it's rules and we can violate them only for the time being.

Is that the beauty of operating in the ether?

I currently read this book. It can answer some of this questions.
http://www.amazon.com/Breakpoint-Implode-Obsolete-Everything-Technology/dp/1137278781

[RealBitcoin]

Reminds me of another chart that hopefully is not pissing against the wind as you say.


After all, as you state, nature has it's rules and we can violate them only for the time being.

You mean the elites want to reduce the world population to 500 million?

[Spoetnik]

Greenspan sat on his hands while being warned about a looming financial collapse years ago..
He went on the record before the housing market crash in 2008 saying
The market will regulate itself.. Saying the market big players won't let the system fail.
He was wrong.
They did allow it to fail and because of one reason.. Greed.
Then look at the parallels all over such as the crypto scene.
As soon as it started to heat up our oh so credible players crushed the crypto scene.
It's a ghost town with Bitcoin itself skidding along going in reverse..
My town had one of the first Bitcoin ATM's..
It's long gone now.. The store front is a Bicycle store now.

So.. If we can? we ruin it.
This applies to everything in all of history.
And illustrates how we are utterly doomed to failure.

Humanity will be wiped out by an asteroid as we waffle with a decision arguing about what to do.
Technology should be our savior but people would rather risk all of humanity dying,
rather than parting with some cash for research..
And yet once again I wind up back at the Greed problem.
We really truly are doomed.. And crypto too of course LOL

[tokeweed]

^ You long on Ethereum?

[shanem]

^ You long on Ethereum?

I just post what I see.

There have been a few other times I have seen something and didn't post then it happened as I saw it.

I'm trying something different this time.

You are still bullish on ETH? Unless ETH can come out with something revolutionary and get the capital of wall street.
I don't see how ETH can be the next CLOAK where you need lots of money to pump this coin.

[LuxMoneroj]

A story is being written and my aim is to find the story writer.

A noble aim.

Though the explorer finds etched:

An old man went into town riding on his donkey, looking and asking everywhere about him, "has anyone seen my donkey?"

[SockPuppetAccount]

Please elaborate what you mean by "this goes against bitcoin".

Bitcoin has more traction and more people are involved. Ethereum is just try to be main part of this crypto revolution. Why would anyone use ethereum blockchain in the long term when more secured is bitcoin blockchain.
If 51% people are driving right and 49% left soon 100 % will be driving right and 0 left. I believe this is the same with blockchains. Why to be part of the small blockchain if everybody is using standart (bitcoin blockchain)?

I would like to restate the message of this thread.

When I say that Ethereum looks like it is going to pull a Cloak I am simply pointing out that the price movements of the coin seem similar to what Cloak did in 2014.

Now from a speculation standpoint this has nothing to do with what the coin can do long term.

Back in July 2014 Cloak went from .0004 all the way to .0033 on July 30th according to coinmarketcap.com (http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/cloakcoin/)

That is a multiplication factor of about 8.

Since then the coins price has been less than attractive and we don't hear much from that coin anymore.

I believe that Ethereum may pull the same thing.

In the case of Ethereum I see it currently sitting in the same type of bottom that Cloak was in back in the beginning of July 2014.

So it is currently at .0026 or so and I am saying that it may pump up x8 and peak on November 15th.

As long as the coin is functional investors can trade the coin on an exchange.

All of this has nothing to do with the point you are making about it going against Bitcoin.

Don't get me wrong, your point may be valid but it has no bearing on speculation and investment.

Ideology and investment are two different machines that are not always in lockstep.

CLOAK's pump happened in a VERY different market than the one we have right now, and CLOAK didn't have nearly the marketcap of ETH nor did it have to deal with loads of new POW coins being dumped onto the market daily.  Going from 0.0004 to 0.0033 isn't even a ten-bagger.  There is nothing unique about CLOAK's pump and I see nothing to suggest ETH is going to pull a similar rise this quickly.  I think even the ETH devs have openly admitted that ETH has many years more development ahead of it before the project really comes together.  I suspect the next run up will come whenever the ETH team announces they are ready to move to POS.  When that happens, I will buy a fuckton, ride it up and then dump 24 hours before the switch to POS.  Rebuy once the buzz dies down and price falls then stabilizes, stake until next hype cycle starts.

[lazi]

The new Dev team wasnt part of the pump!

CLOAK regenerates slowly and is on a good way! You can see it on graphic... new Dev team started in November (CLOAK was 1k-2k satoshi)



In my eyes has CLOAK more potential then Ethereum!

The new Dev team is  trustworthy and honest...soon they will release the final wallet with best tech in cryptoworld!  

[tokeweed]

^ True.  And Buterin and Co. would love a pump.  They need to dump more ETH to fund whatever it is their doing.

[disco987]

The new Dev team is  trustworthy and honest...soon they will release the final wallet with best tech in cryptoworld!  

You don't say...

Are you suggesting that Cloak is about to pull another Cloak?

We will see

[tokeweed]

So "is it about to pull a Cloak" yet? 

[shanem]

So "is it about to pull a Cloak" yet? 

Pre or post September 2014 

One thing is for certain, I will be back in this thread if I’m right or wrong.

That's just how I operate.

The recent shift down seems to have the mark of a fake out.

And to answer your question from before I am currently on the sidelines with this one.

If you are sure of your belief, you should accumulate cheap ETH while the price is low. There will be a rally but it will not be huge like what you said about Cloak.

[tokeweed]

Maybe he's bagholding. 

[chesthing]

It's pulling a "Croak." What has baffled me about altcoins since I started following them almost 2 years ago has always been, WTF buys this shit when it's obviously overpriced?

[tokeweed]

The bag is full of ETH, I see. 

[disco987]

Maybe he's bagholding. 

This one bag was sent to me the other day.



It's about the only one that I'm holding that I know of.

Had a note in it rambling about something getting "cider housed".

Still can't figure it out...

Hey,and I have such a bag.....with cloak.

[lofegs]

It is going to be 19 Oct soon, we will be able to see whether Sir Alpha_goy prediction is true or whether somebody is trying to offload their ETH at higher price.

[tokeweed]

Ooooo exciting!

[confirmation120]

^ True.  And Buterin and Co. would love a pump.  They need to dump more ETH to fund whatever it is their doing.

Yes we will watch it happen

[tokeweed]

^ True.  And Buterin and Co. would love a pump.  They need to dump more ETH to fund whatever it is their doing.

Yes we will watch it happen

Bit what if nothing happens, then what?

[shanem]

There is no pump for ETH with constant selling. Any rally for ETH is being dumped on. Someone big is exiting all their ETH for BTC.

[tokeweed]

There is no pump for ETH with constant selling. Any rally for ETH is being dumped on. Someone big is exiting all their ETH for BTC.

The train has left the station.

They could still buy the dip.  Hopefully around .0032 - .0035? 

[maincoin]

maybe, it's possible

[Andrelvogue]

And always keep in mind, the sharks are way ahead of you.  So be careful.

Hahaha just want to say I like that sentence of yours.

[tokeweed]

Note to self:  Better follow that stop-loss.

[TPTB_need_war]

Is Ethereum about to pull a Croak?

ftfy

[hotsurfing]

How can i sell short on ethereum?

[Laketear]

Price goes up and down all the time. As long as there are continuous development in Ethereum, it is a good coin.

[tokeweed]

Shorting is actually good to profit also in down trending markets.  "Shorting is really risky" is an overstatement.

[RealBitcoin]

Train is leaving the station again...

It will derail soon

Eth is very hyped now but with little content and features to show. Such hype bubbles burst very quickly.

[CoinThug]

Well maybe, but you can't be sure.

[RealBitcoin]

Train is leaving the station again...

It will derail soon

Eth is very hyped now but with little content and features to show. Such hype bubbles burst very quickly.

Faster than LTC?

 

Remember you heard it here first.

So you are saying that LTC with 4 year track record, big community, and merchants start integrating it (although its is obviously slowed than BTC nobody doubts that) is a scam?

VS

ETH that so far is only shill talk, hype, and a console wallet that is hard to use for the 99% of the crypto community.


Interesting...

[Laketear]

Ethereum has GUI wallet.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ethereum+gui+wallet&oq=ethereum+gui+&aqs=chrome.4.69i57j69i65j69i60j0l3.7160j0j4&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8

[RealBitcoin]

Ethereum has GUI wallet.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ethereum+gui+wallet&oq=ethereum+gui+&aqs=chrome.4.69i57j69i65j69i60j0l3.7160j0j4&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8

So what about all the fancy contract creation stuff.

The only thing you can do with the wallet is to send and receive ETH.


But what about a software that could let you program in ETH the smart contracts and other stuff they promise. I want that first.

[Timeline]

I am sensing movement again....

Yes maybe because of Devcon approaching or maybe I have missed some news.

[Videodrome]

I am sensing movement again....

Yes maybe because of Devcon approaching or maybe I have missed some news.

People refuse to let this one sink in.

It is real and it IS happening.

Quote!!!

[Coxe]

The ethereum price is quite stable at the moment. It is within 10% of $1. Is there any reason for this situation?

[CoinHoarder]

Historically IPO coins are dumped after the initial software release. I would be shocked if Ethereum didn't follow down the same path.

Even the more innovative and ambitious IPO coins were dumped after their initial release. I do not think it will have any matter as to the long term success of the coin, but I am bearish at the moment.

The only situation I can see Ethereum not being dumped is if Bitcoin and alt crypto currencies happen to go on a bull run in the near to immediate future.

[tokeweed]

Historically IPO coins are dumped after the initial software release. I would be shocked if Ethereum didn't follow down the same path.

Even the more innovative and ambitious IPO coins were dumped after their initial release. I do not think it will have any matter as to the long term success of the coin, but I am bearish at the moment.

The only situation I can see Ethereum not being dumped is if Bitcoin and alt crypto currencies happen to go on a bull run in the near to immediate future.

Whatever happens to the price, I hope the volume remains high.  It will trend up sooner or later.

[shanem]

It will be 15 Nov soon but ETH has not risen much like CLOAK. If your prediction is true, ETH would have gone up to 0.01 BTC by now.

[Fontas.]

Ethereum will bring in some nice VC cash that will die right in there. But Bitcoin will steal anything valuable they do.

People want LTC and BTC and not something made by a member of One Direction with his hands in corporate pockets.

[tokeweed]

Ethereum will bring in some nice VC cash that will die right in there. But Bitcoin will steal anything valuable they do.

People want LTC and BTC and not something made by a member of One Direction with his hands in corporate pockets.

Pic or it's not true.

[entertheabyss]

It will be 15 Nov soon but ETH has not risen much like CLOAK. If your prediction is true, ETH would have gone up to 0.01 BTC by now.

Well, It looks like this coin in the short term window that I had called out was only good for an initial .0016 to .0040 (about 2x).

The dip/rebound during 4-Nov was good for .0015 to .0030 (about 1x) if you grabbed it low and got out on the peak 09-Nov.

The first run up was obviously a good chance for many to get some loot.

The second run was more of an "awesome at timing" opportunity which would have been much harder to get.


Summary: there was no "Cloak" and the answer to my question given the time period was "no".

ETH seems to be in the bargaining phase right now.

I shall now stand in the town center so that citizens can throw rotten tomatoes at me.

* entertheabyss throws rotten tomato at Sir Alpha_goy

[RealBitcoin]

It will be 15 Nov soon but ETH has not risen much like CLOAK. If your prediction is true, ETH would have gone up to 0.01 BTC by now.

It could still turn out like Paycoin

Don't be so optimistic, I dont trust the ETH developers the least.

[shanem]

It will be 15 Nov soon but ETH has not risen much like CLOAK. If your prediction is true, ETH would have gone up to 0.01 BTC by now.

Well, It looks like this coin in the short term window that I had called out was only good for an initial .0016 to .0040 (about 2x).

The dip/rebound during 4-Nov was good for .0015 to .0030 (about 1x) if you grabbed it low and got out on the peak 09-Nov.

The first run up was obviously a good chance for many to get some loot.

The second run was more of an "awesome at timing" opportunity which would have been much harder to get.


Summary: there was no "Cloak" and the answer to my question given the time period was "no".

ETH seems to be in the bargaining phase right now.

I shall now stand in the town center so that citizens can throw rotten tomatoes at me.

At least it is a good prediction from you. I will wait for your next "Cloak" but the comet theory seems unbelievable to me in your first page.
There are many comets happening so it was a concidence that Bitcoin rose during the time of the comet.

[tokeweed]

It will be 15 Nov soon but ETH has not risen much like CLOAK. If your prediction is true, ETH would have gone up to 0.01 BTC by now.

It could still turn out like Paycoin

Don't be so optimistic, I dont trust the ETH developers the least.

This is far from Paycoin.  Come on.  Ethereum has more vision than most altcoins out there.  Sure some shenanigans went on with the presale, the hurried release, the initial pump and dump when it got listed in the exchanges...  But seeing their devcon, its blockchain still has a good future ahead.

[alrachid]

It's sad that we even have to ask this question. There should be no doubt in our minds and we SHOULD be able to trust people. But we can't, and this is a huge problem in the crypto world!

[SockPuppetAccount]

So what exactly do I mean by the exchanges are connected?

Theory:

In general how do you think they are able to keep all exchanges hovering around the same price for any given coin?

Collaborated bot trading is how.

One might be inclined to see what happens when you go into an exchange that has very little trade volume of a coin.

Typically you will notice that buy and sell orders are scaled down quite a bit on the exchange that has a small percentage of a coins trade volume.

In one exchange with high volume it might take say 25BTC to get a coin to move 2% or so.

In the other exchange that has low volume it might take 2BTC to clear the same sell wall.

Clear the wall in the smaller volume exchange and back it up with a natural buy wall a little lower than the last sell you swept out and you will notice something quite peculiar at the other exchange.

You will see the sell walls pull out like magic.

Trick is that your buy wall has to be solid.

Of course the great and all powerful OZ might not let it happen.

But then he would have to deal with out of balance exchanges.


Like I said though, it's just a theory.

Apologies for bumping an old thread, I just needed to respond to this.  How do they keep the price hovering around the same price for any given coin?  Did you seriously just ask that?

Dude, it's called arbitrage, it's completely natural, and it occurs with every commodity known to man that is freely traded across multiple markets.  Spend more time learning the basics, less time coming up with crackpot theories.

[flapflap]

It will be 15 Nov soon but ETH has not risen much like CLOAK. If your prediction is true, ETH would have gone up to 0.01 BTC by now.

It could still turn out like Paycoin

Don't be so optimistic, I dont trust the ETH developers the least.

Paycoin was an obvious scam.

Ether is a token for exchange of value between contracts, and between individuals and contracts.

It was never intended to be a currency used to buy a comfy chair from Overstock.com.

Speculating in Ether is a fool's game, it's only purpose is to be a unit of value to exchange for "gas".