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Alright, so I've been PM'd by a few people what red-flags to look out for since I have a pretty good track record of spotting scammers.  Sometimes I get it wrong, but better safe than sorry.  Anyway, watch out for the typical behavior from scammers who will usually fit at least two or three (and sometimes even more) of the following characteristics:

0. Newbies, NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH OTHER NEWBIES, EVER. There are plenty of veteran members to do business with and ALWAYS use escrow. If you're a newbie and you're doing business with another newbie, there's a 100% chance that you will get scammed (or you're a scammer yourself).
1. New account (usually created within the last 3 months, plus or minus)
2. Low-medium message count with vapid posts of little to no contributory value
3. Use of a seemingly realistic first/last name as their forum account name
4. Signs posts with full name
5. Straight out of Newbie mode right into Lending (requesting a loan of course)
6. Straight out of Newbie mode right into Currency Exchange (PayPal, Liberty Reserve, Western Union)
7. Straight out of Newbie mode and selling gift cards/codes/Steam games of any kind
(they'll often be purchased with stolen CC info, leaving you holding the bag later on down the road)
8. Any user blatantly claiming to be female
9. New user trying to sell an Apple iAnything
10. Sob stories asking for handouts
11. Never send to a Bitmerch.com address for escrow!!!
12. Scammers will try to scam you out of amounts as little as BTC.001 or even less. Do not think that just because the requested amount is trivial that it's any more legit than a 1000 BTC loan request.
13. Any user who tries to get you to use escrow through Escrow.com is a scammer, PERIOD.

There.  Pretty much in a nutshell how to spot a scammer.  There's still some finesse to spotting a scammer, but these rules will separate most of the wheat from the chaff, so to speak.  Oh, and I guess there's one more rule:

13. NEVER DO BACKROOM DEALS VIA PM WITH NEW USERS. Make sure all deals are negotiated in the open forum for both public record and peer review.

Examples of posts that fit the scammer pattern:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=229987.0 angie (Pending, New acct + Wants to buy 100K XRP and wants to see your address that has the XRP, but when escrow comes up, he logs off and disappears)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=227927.0 personABCD (Pending, New acct + Loan req, has a small circle jerk of new users that he's ping-pong'ing fractional loans between)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=221204.0 Liberty Payout (Scammer, Numerous references, just do a search on his forum name)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=213754.0 Chalie215 (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=214277.0 Waterberry (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=212603.0 badgerman (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=188645.0 CryptoTrader (Scammer, New acct + Currency exchanging where you send first)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=188674.0 vivithemage (Pending, Old dormant account newly revived and asking for a loan)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=186031.0 kidcudi09 (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=185898.0 ashleysly (Pending, New acct + Loan req + Signs with full name + Implied female)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=183309.0 theblazehen (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=181429.0 btc-escrow.co (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=180757.0 barneyss (Pending, New acct + Loan req, Highly implausible story)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=180246.0 Slix313 (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=173718.0 ionux (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=171031.0 StealthyDamn (Pending, New acct + Get rich quick scam)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=173215.0 brie (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=172793.0 badgetman (Pending, New acct + Loan req for 2 BTC)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=119896.msg1793008#msg1793008 Bitzing (New acct + Taking MP and not delivering BTC, More info, Credit goes to BCB)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=171613.0 nawazish1 (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170446.0 zakolivers (Pending, New acct + Wants to buy BTC with PayPal. He uses a seemingly real first/last name as his username, so he's gotta be legit, right?)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=169922.0 vitalemontea (Scammer, New acct + Peddling digital goods/WU, More info)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=165884.0 Flux79 (Pending, New acct + Gift cards)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=168669.0 lucyhiggins (Scammer*, New acct + Wants you to link your bank account to his PayPal account)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=167429.0 TreePot (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=166991.0 refta (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=166438.0 OMGBobMarley (Scammer, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=166014.0 World Commerce (Pending, New acct + Reloadable CC)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145234.0 RobertClemons (Pending, New acct + Attempting to buy BTC with Paypal acct that doesn't belong to him)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=163256.0 GoldenAngel (Pending, New acct + "Investment" req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=164166.0 Xnives99 (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=162204.0 DastanX (Scammer, New acct + Loan req, Claims it was filled but probably won't provide a TxID)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=161647.0 c0ikws (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=159934.0 ChickaDee (Scammer, New acct + Loan req, Man-in-the-Middle scam, alt of marketersales, More info, Credit goes to John (John K.))
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=159764.0 ffernandex (Pending, New acct + Loan req, I think this one was meant to be a joke though)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=158639.0 TheDarkBanker (Pending, New acct + Gift cards)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=157764.0 instaBoost (Scammer, New acct + Money exchange deals, iPhones for sale, More info)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=154761.0 BitPanda (Scammer, New acct + Loan req, Loan filled by another new acct Surpbitcoin)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=154010.0 rockso (Scammer, More info, Credit goes to Littleshop)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=153203.0 Humanxlemming (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152965.0 MoneypakBuyer (Scammer, New acct + Loan req, More info)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152461.0 tacoman359 (Pending, New account + Microsoft Points)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152120.0 Darkdata (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=151995.0 otown240 (Pending, New acct + Loan req, Nvm he was instructed to post a request by kjlimo as a matter of public record)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=151563.0 bennybong (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=151398.0 whathe12 (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=151195.0 kush1218 (Scammer, New account + Gift cards, alt of firstlady0524, More info, Credit goes to Blazr)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94513.00 xavil (Pending, Possible attempt at a fraudulent private BTC purchase, Credit goes to BCB)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=150569.0 paysafecardbitcoin (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=150349.0 Intueri (Scammer, More info, New acct + Loan req, Posting history seems to indicate a gambling habit)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=148593.0 UncleBuckRIU (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=146968.0 flavius (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=146788.0 d3adleavez (Pending*, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=146362.0 OrangeVonPurple (Scammer*, Possibly alt of marketersales, tacoman359, and OMGBobMarley. Went straight to selling XBoxLive points.)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145505.0 RHCwebhosting (Pending*, Multiple red-flags on this one. Should be pretty obvious)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145274.0 bluedye (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145219.0 nlovric (Pending, User appears to be legit)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145225.0 nlovric (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=147357.0 ironcross360 (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=144992.0 ironcross360 (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145195.0 emma (Pending, May be legit, but as always use caution. See: http://forum.litecoin.net/index.php/topic,1179.msg6757.html)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=144665.0 tldoctor (Pending, Now that he's had time to get a few posts in, it appears this is a legit user. His initial timing of the loan request was a bit alarming though)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=144559.0 hiddenoreo (Pending, New acct + Multiple loan reqs)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=144582.0 jspring (Pending, Gift cards)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=142104.0 flatlinezor (Pending, Gift cards)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=143883.0 tantienstar69 (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=143415.0 tantienstar69 (Pending*, vouched for by audiation)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=142058.0 koelen3 (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141424.0 claire (Scammer*, Loan requests (check!), MoneyPak (check!), gift cards (check!))
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=56835.00 SirChiko (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=144012.0 realityfalacy (Pending*, Might be legit but the timing of the loan request is suspicious)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141739.0 realityfalacy (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141548.0 lakzo (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141456.0 uhnonamiss (Pending, more Giftcards for Bitcoins)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140690.0 ridgemont4 (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140846.0 KJTetc (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140933.0 blakbeard (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140531.0 raven666 (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141039.0 cardinalG (Scammer*, More info)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140049.0 cardinalG (Scammer*, More info)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140095.0 AndrewJ (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139935.0 constitution (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139727.0 itai3856 (Scammer, More info)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139257.0 tono18 (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139398.0 tono18 (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137865.0 thomison360 (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=88315.00 unkn0wn12 (Scammer*, More info)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136346.0 furrycoat (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137633.0 SouthernComfort (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136941.0 JonMcAlpine (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136785.0 chillywilly (Pending*, possible alt of cozz)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130251.0 Ploni (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136282.0 marketersales (Scammer*, Accused of scamming then "found loan elsewhere" but no TXID provided)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136306.0 teodor87 (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=138807.0 shoopwooper (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135612.0 shoopwooper (Pending*, "found loan elsewhere" but no TXID provided)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135459.0 Marker88 (Pending, long-dormant 2011 account recently revived)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=138131.0 Jakers (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136749.0 Jakers (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=134835.0 Jakers (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=131217.0 swc1 (Scammer)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=133052.0 leominer (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=132983.0 AnonCard (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129567.0 SynOps (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130459.0 drakedog (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129557.0 heart_mons (Pending*, User has had one successful loan of 5BTC before, but defaulted on another loan)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=134921.0 61197da925c1 (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129615.0 61197da925c1 (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129508.0 Dakster (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=126470.0 Dakster (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=133368.0 Roxyoursox (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=128437.0 Roxyoursox (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=128017.0 andrew12 (Old dormant account suddenly revived and now asking for a loan)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=126819.0 pereiaex (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=127143.0 quirky53 (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=123435.0 Crookid (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=120647.0 Metta28 (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=122729.0 RantinRave (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=122668.0 Serenity.Sapphire (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=121136.0 pat231 (Scammer* though I suspect he's less a scammer and more likely just really bad at managing his money)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=119831.0 jackdavis1983 (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=122082.0 hobo66. (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=121998.0 Ssoftware (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=120233.0 Bitcoinscene (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=119871.0 ChrisNelson (Pending*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=119384.0 CoinCleaner (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=121012.0 LionHeart (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=119824.0 LionHeart (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=118514.0 Gretchen (Scammer*)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99233.00 noobularkid (Scammer*)

* Account appears to have been abandoned once it was flagged as a scammer, or became apparent he wasn't getting a loan.

Please note that the accounts listed above aren't necessarily or automatically assumed to be scammers. They just fit the description, so to speak.

Examples of posts that fit the pattern that were successful:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=154985.0 Wardrick (Successful loan!, Little late on the payback, but he eventually came through, Ended up being a scammer anyway)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141182.0 hardup (Successful Loan!, 2.0 BTC, Several weeks late, but eventually paid back)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=185004.0 bennett616 (Successful Loan!, 0.1 BTC, Ended up defaulting on another loan)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=153274.0 Mosper (Successful Loan!, 15.0 BTC, but repayment had to be coerced from lendee , Turns out this was a scammer afterall https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=227232)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=158761.0 shibaji (Successful Loan!, Used collateral, 10.0 BTC)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129567.0 SynOps (Pending, Due to the spike in exchange rate it's become difficult to pay back the entire amount borrowed at once, but SynOps appears to be making an honest effort of it, after further investigation, it appears SynOps was using a MITM scam, More info, Credit goes to Kelticfox Sonnyblack and Glooboy)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141215.0 Currencevents (Successful Loan! 4.0 BTC, https://btcjam.com/listings/1573)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149335.0 Jenger (Successful Loan! 0.5 BTC)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137766.0 MoneypakTrader.com (Successful Trades!, Has completed a few successful transactions. As always, use caution, even when dealing with senior members)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136132.0 DPony13 (Successful Loan! 2.5 BTC, Ended up defaulting on another loan)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=122658.0 xx78213 (Successful Loan! 0.2 BTC)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=123728.0 heart_mons (Successful Loan! 5.0 BTC, Ended up defaulting on another loan)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=134918.0 polymorphous (Successful Trade! 2.0 BTC)

TLDR: Be careful before you freely give away your coins. From the evidence collected here, you stand substantial chance of getting ripped off if lending to someone who fits the scammer profile.  If that chance is worth making an extra 1-10% on your money, I can't stop you.

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October 23, 2012, 04:18:51 AM
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Great post.

For the record
1.  I have been scammed by an actual female!
2.  I 've had great trades with lots of newbees, so they are not all bad.

But the point is be cautious, ask questions, and just say no if something doesn't seem right.

Research the user's other posts and trades.  Do they have feedback.  (even that can be faked)
Also, GOOGLE is your friend.  Google their user name, google the paypal email BEFORE you send. 
You'd be surprised by what you fine.  The name or email on other scammer lists.  Also I've found more then a few paypal emails on a published list of hacked email accounts which is never a good sign.

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I was told the best way to gain trust is to reveal your name and not hide behind pseudonyms. But I guess having a business mind and wanting to get a business up and running straight away requires hiding your real name and not getting a business up and running until you have trolled for 3 months to pretend you don't want to run a business. Then have a sudden eureka moment and ask for a loan then???

Dont get me wrong advice to weed out scammers is a good thing but my way of spotting scammers is this

1) to buy real world products - thats a red flag for me because if they can't get FIAT loan from a bank/friend or family then a stranger shouldn't trust them either.
2) their loan wont be used to make money, but to purchase objects - second red flag as you have to ask yourself if they cant buy it themselves how will they repay.
3) just like number 1, but for sob stories such as hospital bills, car maintenance
4) they hide their real life info and have dodgy pseudonyms like nefarious and pirate.
5) their use of bitcoins has nothing linked to the community to make it a better place. but request a personal loan as appose to a community growing business loan.
6) they don't seem interested in bitcoin's future growth. they just want money.
7) they don't want to use a middle man like a respected community member or a service like BTCJAM

i do agree about the trolls/scammers using female identities to tug on guys heart strings for funds being a red flag. women in reality don't ask for loans, they get a man to do it in his name, take his funds in the divorce and leave him with the debt. lol

I think the drug, arms dealers, hackers, etc should remain anonymous with pseudonyms but anyone asking for loans or starting up a business should be open and honest about their identity. I know i'll repay my loans so I have nothing to hide and don't fear knocks on my door in the middle of the night.
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Great info man, im sure some newer members will find it handy to reference.
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With every rule there is a exceptiong like BCB said, Some newbies are just a little misguided. The more known members should try to guide them in the right way. If they resist then let the onslaught begin lol.

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What does BTCJam do if someone defaults on a loan?

I see a few that I know are from deadbeats on this board.

Will BTCJam attempt to recover the funds from the scammer(s) via legal action?

All they did was collect people's ID and facebook page and a utility bill etc.  What do they do with that information if someone defaults?  Do they call the authorities?

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Yes.  I recently contacted them about this same issue and they replied that they will hand info over to a collection agency on behalf of lenders.
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Cool.   At least that is something.

The problem I see with that is this:

1) A 19 year old kid living in his parents basement takes out multiple loans in BTC and stops making payments.

2) After 90 days of non-payment the account would be given to a collections agency to recover Bitcoins?
Is that what BTCJam is going to tell a collections agent? I want you to recover 200 Bitcoins?

3) The collections agency won't sue for anything under 5K US.  I don't know if they would even be able to recover Bitcoins or if they would even accept the job.

They can't put any liens on anything.  The kid has nothing.  Just takes his first ding of many to come on his credit report.

4) You never see your BTC again and even if they recover anything the recovery fees will eat most of it anyway.

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If your suit was successful you could recover you loss from his future revenue.  If that were me I'd rather cough up the bitcoin now rather then have my first paycheck docked every week to pay for something I did when I was young and stupid.

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Examples of posts that fit the pattern:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=120233.0 Bitcoinscene
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=119871.0 ChrisNelson
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=119384.0 CoinCleaner
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=119824.0 LionHeart
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=118514.0 Gretchen

This is on page 1 alone.

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Bump for relevancy.

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Added your informative thread in my list of defaulted loans above. This thread is almost sticky-worthy at the main marketplace section, especially if you would extend the guidelines to deal with all general dealing (goods, etc) and not only loans.

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Added your informative thread in my list of defaulted loans above. This thread is almost sticky-worthy at the main marketplace section, especially if you would extend the guidelines to deal with all general dealing (goods, etc) and not only loans.

I only briefly touched on what to look out for with goods (gift cards, Apple iAnything) but most damage can be mitigated by using escrow when it comes to trading tangible items.  For coupon codes/gift cards that might be purchased with stolen CC info it's harder to avoid being scammed.  My advice would be to stay away from new accounts offering such digital goods and stick with established resellers.

I also added to the list of suspect threads/users in the OP.

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Thanks for including me

but in the mean time newbie in here also be good

every one here in the starting is newbie

but anyway its kind of good thread

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Thanks for including me

but in the mean time newbie in here also be good

every one here in the starting is newbie

but anyway its kind of good thread

Right, and I included you simply because the timing of your request, your post content, etc matches the cookie-cutter filters.  This doesn't mean you're a scammer -- you just fit the description.  In fact, if there are any lendees that fit the description that didn't turn out to be scammers, please post them here and we'll start a separate section for them.

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i think scammer mostly wont reply properly for doubtful question ,

 Also we will get some keynote from the username or email address



 
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i think scammer mostly wont reply properly for doubtful question

On the contrary, jackdavis1983 dragged out his thread for three pages before he suddenly "lost interest" in Bitcoin and stopped posting.  Coincidentally, that's about the same time it became clear he wasn't going to get any hand outs.  Funny how that works, isn't it?  Smiley

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Alright, so I've been PM'd by a few people what red-flags to look out for since I have a pretty good track record of spotting scammers.  Sometimes I get it wrong, but better safe than sorry.  Anyway, watch out for the typical behavior from scammers who will usually fit at least two of the following characteristics:

1. Account created within the last 3 months.
2. Low-medium message count with vapid posts
3. Use of a seemingly realistic first/last name as their forum account name
4. Signs posts with full name
5. Straight out of Newbie mode right into Lending (requesting a loan of course)
6. Straight out of Newbie mode right into Currency Exchange (PayPal, Liberty Reserve, Western Union)
7. Straight out of Newbie mode and selling gift cards of any kind

8. Any user blatantly claiming to be female
9. New user trying to sell an Apple iAnything
10. Sob stories asking for handouts

There.  Pretty much in a nutshell how to spot a scammer.  There's still some finesse to spotting a scammer, but these rules will separate most of the wheat from the chaff, so to speak.  Oh, and I guess there's one more rule:

11. Never trust ANYBODY.  Except people who like big butts.  Because they can not lie.

Examples of posts that fit the pattern:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=121136.0 pat231
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=119831.0 jackdavis1983
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=122082.0 hobo66.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=121998.0 Ssoftware
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=120233.0 Bitcoinscene
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=119871.0 ChrisNelson
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=119384.0 CoinCleaner
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=119824.0 LionHeart
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=118514.0 Gretchen

Current trend of the week:

Watch out for loan requests from accounts that "fit the description" that are ostensibly for some Bitcoin-related project.  I'm guessing they think that since it's supposedly going toward development it carries more weight than a loan request for a SR order.

That might be a broad way to indentify a scammer since I fit all 10 and I am looking for investosr to invest real money (not btc) and sign up a contract with me.








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1. Account created within the last 3 months.
2. Low-medium message count with vapid posts
3. Use of a seemingly realistic first/last name as their forum account name
4. Signs posts with full name
5. Straight out of Newbie mode right into Lending (requesting a loan of course)
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7. Straight out of Newbie mode and selling gift cards of any kind

8. Any user blatantly claiming to be female
9. New user trying to sell an Apple iAnything
10. Sob stories asking for handouts

That might be a broad way to indentify a scammer since I fit all 10 and I am looking for investosr to invest real money (not btc) and sign up a contract with me.

You registered in August 2011.  Which 10 list items are you referring to?

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Wow, I just did a quick check and only 2 of the dozen or so loan requests on the first page in Lending seem to pass the smell check.  Be careful out there, guys!

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I'm really shocked to say this but...

+1 tomato!

I found this informative, I think the "I just got scammed I need a loan" is probably the most common thing that I have seen so far, what % (rough) would you say of gift cards for sale turn out to be actual scams?  I have not yet bought one because I have been considering the transactions for them too risky.

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Thanks, UM.

Added two new loan requests to the OP:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=120647.0 Metta28 (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=122729.0 RantinRave (Pending)

Also added the current status of the requester.

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This is actually a helpful post.   I havent been a member for a very long time but i used to lurk as a guest for a few months before I became a member.
   I've noticed that lending to newbs has slowed way down and possibly come to a halt.

 I remember seeing post from a guy fresh out the newbie section and i believe he recieved a total of 60-80btc(i think he paid them all back)
  That was in june or early july If i remember correctly.        I could not see that ever happening again.   Which is a good thing.

 People are sticking to lending to established members and even then making sure they get the right legal info they need.
  drivers license
  utility bill
  signed agreement to repay the loan.

I'm currently asking for a loan on the forum. I have a great repayment history on btcjam and could get a loan easily on that website.

Even with the rep I was able to get from having otc, buying bitcoins with paypal, and btcjam.  I dont expect to see my loan funded.

 When I was starting out and people accused me of being a scammer(especially you tomato) which hopefully I've done enough to prove I'm here for the long term and am just an honest person.

I think if you are going to keep a watch list for new users thats a great idea.... as long as you update it often and dont yell scammer until its happened.

 being on the watch list is not the same as being labeled a scammer and is less likely to push new members away.

I used btcjam to get all of my previous loans. I believe its a great place for new people who are in search of a loan to get started.

 The forum loans section should be strictly for members who meet a certain criteria.   It should be another branch you achieve access to, just as you have to achieve certain criteria to post outside of the newbie section.

 there could also be a sticky list of people who want to actively lend.  each can post their requirements and rates and potential lendees could P.M. whichever lender he chooses.  and the lender can decide if he wants to take the risk.

 anyway....I like what youre doing here, as ive learned there are other ways to get loans and gain rep outside of the forum.

keep up the watchlist  and make sure you update non-scammers as well as scammers.

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There are some new loan requests showing up that fit the typical scam cookie cuter template. Lenders beware.

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Updated the OP to reflect the successful loans. 

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This loan was paid back in full and on time.
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Thanks, good to hear! I'll update the OP.

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Updated.

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Has anyone reported the scammers to theymos to get scammer tags?
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Updated.

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You should add

11. Has already a scammer tag

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I would, but nobody is that stupid.. I hope.

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You should add

11. Has already a scammer tag

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7. Straight out of Newbie mode and selling gift cards/codes/Steam games of any kind (they'll often be purchased with stolen CC info, leaving you holding the bag later on down the road)

Just noticed this one, interesting that could explain why no one wanna buy my steam account? I admit the game are kinda old, but classic and cheap as hell, mind to confirm this, cause if thats true, i could be concidered in the suspicious newbi who jumped out from the newbi zone then?
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7. Straight out of Newbie mode and selling gift cards/codes/Steam games of any kind (they'll often be purchased with stolen CC info, leaving you holding the bag later on down the road)

Just noticed this one, interesting that could explain why no one wanna buy my steam account? I admit the game are kinda old, but classic and cheap as hell, mind to confirm this, cause if thats true, i could be concidered in the suspicious newbi who jumped out from the newbi zone then?

You can get past this if you offer to accept escrow for your trade.

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i thought about this, but escrow mean more fee%, thats why i offered to give stuff first, did thats not enought from your opinion?
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Giving first is even better. The only one that could get scammed is you. So don't worry about this point.

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Thanks for your answer, its clear and helpfull, if only could be scamed its all good assuming i'm dealing with old time member i guess.
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Updated.

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January 05, 2013, 06:33:32 PM
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So I'm a scammer for trying to sell some giftcards and wanting to borrow some Bitcoins? fucking retard...

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January 05, 2013, 10:42:21 PM
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So I'm a scammer for trying to sell some giftcards and wanting to borrow some Bitcoins? fucking retard...

I'm not saying you're a scammer.  However, your own forum activity suggests otherwise.

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January 06, 2013, 02:24:39 AM
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So I'm a scammer for trying to sell some giftcards and wanting to borrow some Bitcoins? fucking retard...

I'm not saying you're a scammer.  However, your own forum activity suggests otherwise.
For the record, Jakers has contacted me to be the escrow agent when he started selling his cards.That's all I know, though.

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January 06, 2013, 02:28:48 AM
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I believe I am also a scammer according to Tomato.  So take the accusation (that is what it is, btw) with any amount of salt that is to your liking.

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January 06, 2013, 02:36:35 AM
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I believe I am also a scammer according to Tomato.  So take the accusation (that is what it is, btw) with any amount of salt that is to your liking.
His predictions so far have been 60%+- spot on. It's better to treat anyone new as a potential scammer until they've proved to be otherwise in the BTC world unfortunately.

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This is true--but I guess you have somehow missed all the threads in which he butts in, says something snarky like: "use escrow on that shit or you will be sorry and I will come back and laugh at you later" ?  I'd bet money he is at less than 60% accuracy (accuracy which sucks)  including such threads.  That's actually how I became acquainted with Tomatoage--he never did comment back when transaction was successful.  I find this thread idea to be good, but the implementation to be a bit hollow.

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This is true--but I guess you have somehow missed all the threads in which he butts in, says something snarky like: "use escrow on that shit or you will be sorry and I will come back and laugh at you later" ?  I'd bet money he is at less than 60% accuracy (accuracy which sucks)  including such threads.  That's actually how I became acquainted with Tomatoage--he never did comment back when transaction was successful.  I find this thread idea to be good, but the implementation to be a bit hollow.
Sometimes I try to be like tomato too and butt in threads I find strangely scammish looking. (but not that blunt about the scamming issue though  Wink ). I've lost count how many newbies were scammed and got off bawling on sketchy deals. He's a good warner for the community, and I appreciate the fact that fewer people were scammed at the end of the day. True legitimate users who endure this baptism by fire will stand up easily later anyway.

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January 06, 2013, 09:27:13 PM
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This is true--but I guess you have somehow missed all the threads in which he butts in, says something snarky like: "use escrow on that shit or you will be sorry and I will come back and laugh at you later" ?  I'd bet money he is at less than 60% accuracy (accuracy which sucks)  including such threads.  That's actually how I became acquainted with Tomatoage--he never did comment back when transaction was successful.  I find this thread idea to be good, but the implementation to be a bit hollow.
I vaguely remember that thread, and I probably advised the use of escrow for your own protection. I don't recall ever predicting anything.

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January 07, 2013, 04:17:26 AM
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Take me off this list please tomatocage. I've completed the $140 trade with BTC4Amazon

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January 07, 2013, 05:55:15 PM
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Take me off this list please tomatocage. I've completed the $140 trade with BTC4Amazon

Get off my dick. So you take off my trade but you leave me up there? Wow, I was even trusted with $25 already and I just got here. Sad tomatocage.

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January 08, 2013, 06:10:14 PM
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Get off my dick. So you take off my trade but you leave me up there? Wow, I was even trusted with $25 already and I just got here. Sad tomatocage.

I just Google'd "who gives a fuck?" and my name did not appear in the search results page.

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This is very good joojo. I really loathe the sob stories... Ends up hurting the underdog that in some cases is me LOL

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1) Give the names of the club founders and or the person or persons working with the overall membership

2) Give the location(s) of where the meetings take place. address, phone number and if It's a coffee shop or dinner a managers name to contact.

2) Give a head count of membership showing in advance. Usually I give out 5-10NMC

3) Log the addresses and show proof of purchase of the .bit domain. In some cases of a die hard member who gets his .bit up and running I follow up with "Look what this guy did in school today". style emails.

4) Post updates, if not even in the op. follow up. take photos of the membership useing the software. take a group picture. and at the very least sharpie the donaters names on paper with a thank you.
 


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Updated.

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January 14, 2013, 06:08:38 AM
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I do not think that number of posts and registration date has any significance.

A scammer is a scammer, no mather what.

Some people register and trade for years to build a rep, and then make a scam for many thousands of dollars.

So this is not very objective.

Of course there are always people that don't have a life and want to scam someone for some lousy amounts.

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The problem is the web isn't like the physical world. it would be nice to be able to turn a cheek tp a default of a $30 loan on BTC... NOT have to jump through hoops and fight not only the scammer but the horrendous amount of trolls that ether don't like you or are just outright assholes.

I've loaned money like that to people in my life and they vanish.. they had been "Friends" for eons. and for less then the price of a full tank of gas they vanish. A wise person once said to me "If that's all it took to buy good riddence. Then it might have been worth the loan".

But sadly online they will hit many folk before that's the case :/
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January 14, 2013, 06:16:24 PM
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It's cool that I'm in the list too   Grin

The deal I made is the following:

The other user orders the thing to HIS address.

Then, regardles if item ships on the 10-th of Feb I have to give him 1/3 of the cost, resp. March and April to the same date.

And we decided that even if he receives the item before that he won't ship until he receives first payment.

Tell me how exactly would I scam this person?

The risk is bigger for me actually.

But whatever.

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January 14, 2013, 06:26:41 PM
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You're on the list because your posting patterns look like that of previous scammers.

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Cool. I like bad guys! Smiley

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136346.0

Looks like furrycoat could be fully identified as a scammer. He gave himself a loan, apparently.
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January 14, 2013, 11:53:54 PM
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136346.0

Looks like furrycoat could be fully identified as a scammer. He gave himself a loan, apparently.

I did list that thread in the OP since his request fit the typical scammer template.  However it's going to be a stretch to label him a scammer since nothing was lost, and I really wasn't expecting anything to be in the first place (see post #11 in that thread).  New accounts lending to new accounts often have an unusually high rate of success.

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January 15, 2013, 11:38:29 PM
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How many time do I have to tell you tomatocage? Take my name off this list. I've already completed 5+ trades if you're going to put people's names up there be prepared to be wrong and take them down. I already have 3.59 BTC from the The Trust Circle waiting to send it to someone else. I don't appreciate you not taking me off the list when I've asked 5 or 6 times.

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This thread is to identify people who post like a SCAMMER, and unfortunately you fit the template to a tee.

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January 17, 2013, 12:23:31 AM
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This thread is to identify people who post like a SCAMMER, and unfortunately you fit the template to a tee.

The pattern looked to me like a snapshot of the confidence loan topic.
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January 17, 2013, 03:58:19 AM
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136346.0

Looks like furrycoat could be fully identified as a scammer. He gave himself a loan, apparently.

I did list that thread in the OP since his request fit the typical scammer template.  However it's going to be a stretch to label him a scammer since nothing was lost, and I really wasn't expecting anything to be in the first place (see post #11 in that thread).  New accounts lending to new accounts often have an unusually high rate of success.

OP fits the description of a idiot. Posting my legit BTC loan on your scammer thread? Something you and some other retards of this forum need to understand SouthernComfort IS NOT ME.
This accusation was put against me because we did not use the address in my signature. I HAVE MULTIPLE ADDRESSES.
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136346.0

Looks like furrycoat could be fully identified as a scammer. He gave himself a loan, apparently.

I did list that thread in the OP since his request fit the typical scammer template.  However it's going to be a stretch to label him a scammer since nothing was lost, and I really wasn't expecting anything to be in the first place (see post #11 in that thread).  New accounts lending to new accounts often have an unusually high rate of success.

OP fits the description of a idiot. Posting my legit BTC loan on your scammer thread? Something you and some other retards of this forum need to understand SouthernComfort IS NOT ME.
This accusation was put against me because we did not use the address in my signature. I HAVE MULTIPLE ADDRESSES.
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Well, I wasn't sure before, but now that you've called us all retards? Now I believe you! Wink
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136346.0

Looks like furrycoat could be fully identified as a scammer. He gave himself a loan, apparently.

I did list that thread in the OP since his request fit the typical scammer template.  However it's going to be a stretch to label him a scammer since nothing was lost, and I really wasn't expecting anything to be in the first place (see post #11 in that thread).  New accounts lending to new accounts often have an unusually high rate of success.

OP fits the description of a idiot. Posting my legit BTC loan on your scammer thread? Something you and some other retards of this forum need to understand SouthernComfort IS NOT ME.
This accusation was put against me because we did not use the address in my signature. I HAVE MULTIPLE ADDRESSES.
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After further review of your forum history, I've removed you from the list.  While you do exhibit a few key attributes of a scammer, these are negated by, IMHO anyway, by post content. Especially this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=131107.60

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This thread is to identify people who post like a SCAMMER, and unfortunately you fit the template to a tee.

Dude, how thick is your skull? Don't put people up here and not take them off you ignorant prick. How about I make a stickied list and put your name at the top and label you a scammer? I've already been trusted with $100 dickhead so get over yourself. Either remove my name or I'll request a mod to remove it for you. Sound good?

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This thread is to identify people who post like a SCAMMER, and unfortunately you fit the template to a tee.

Dude, how thick is your skull? Don't put people up here and not take them off you ignorant prick. How about I make a stickied list and put your name at the top and label you a scammer? I've already been trusted with $100 dickhead so get over yourself. Either remove my name or I'll request a mod to remove it for you. Sound good?

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January 20, 2013, 08:00:22 PM
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This thread is to identify people who post like a SCAMMER, and unfortunately you fit the template to a tee.

Dude, how thick is your skull? Don't put people up here and not take them off you ignorant prick. How about I make a stickied list and put your name at the top and label you a scammer? I've already been trusted with $100 dickhead so get over yourself. Either remove my name or I'll request a mod to remove it for you. Sound good?

This isn't a stickied list. And I doubt a mod will remove your name from a list of speculative names. Worth a shot if it really bugs you though.

To Tomatocage: both of the threads with Jakers on your list are now closed, so you can probably take them off the list since there's nothing "pending" anymore.
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January 21, 2013, 06:37:14 AM
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Tomatocage is correct again.

SouthernComfort, siesatsu (that PR guy for the scamming site) and furrycoat are the same person.

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Tomatocage is correct again.

SouthernComfort, siesatsu (that PR guy for the scamming site) and furrycoat are the same person.

Thanks, I'll update the OP!

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January 21, 2013, 09:02:11 AM
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It doesn't bother me it's just that he has had my name up there ever since I joined. It's like he just puts every newcomer up there that posts around a lot in the market and maybe he gets lucky once or twice. I'm pretty sure I've seen loads of names taken off there that weren't scammers, so you're percentage is pretty much null.

Anyone can make a thread and post peoples names up who post in the market section when they first join or are looking for high loans, do you think you're like some kind of special analyst that can detect when somebody is going to scam? I guarantee you if I had the time I would make a list and be 90% right, but I don't know enough about BTC or this forum to do it. The other forums I've been on for a few years I can tell when somebody is ban evading, let alone going to scam. Pretty easy to be honest, so making this list is just bringing out statistics, I wish I could challenge you to see how many scammers I could catch, but I don't know the forum or this market well enough to do so.

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January 21, 2013, 01:54:21 PM
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Jakers, just ignore Tomatocage for now.

You try do trade & if some one asks about, why Tomatocage put your name in list, redirect them to this thread.

If you start doing some trades then your name will be removed.
Their is no use of keep on telling Tomatocage to remove your name.

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In all other forums you talk about money. Here you CREATING money.

Just do trade & your name will be removed from list.

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It doesn't bother me it's just that he has had my name up there ever since I joined. It's like he just puts every newcomer up there that posts around a lot in the market and maybe he gets lucky once or twice. I'm pretty sure I've seen loads of names taken off there that weren't scammers, so you're percentage is pretty much null.

Anyone can make a thread and post peoples names up who post in the market section when they first join or are looking for high loans, do you think you're like some kind of special analyst that can detect when somebody is going to scam? I guarantee you if I had the time I would make a list and be 90% right, but I don't know enough about BTC or this forum to do it. The other forums I've been on for a few years I can tell when somebody is ban evading, let alone going to scam. Pretty easy to be honest, so making this list is just bringing out statistics, I wish I could challenge you to see how many scammers I could catch, but I don't know the forum or this market well enough to do so.

This is complete bullshit. I only put an extremely small fraction of a % of newbies up on the list, and ONLY those that fit a very specific profile. There are far more new members who are not on the list who go on to become regular contributing members. Additionally, this list isn't supposed to be used as a predictor of who will scam or not; it merely reflects members who exhibit telltale signs that scammers often exhibit. In fact many of the users on the list are added retro-actively after a scam has already been committed. In such cases I'll go back and review the scammers history and determine if he fits the typical scammer template. If he does, he gets added to the list. If not (as is the case with some of the more elaborate scammers such as Pirateat40 or Zouhtong), they don't get added to the list. This list is specifically for the low-brow smash & grab scammers, not the DB Coopers of the Bitcoin world.

So if you want me to remove you from the list, either step up your scamming game, or stop posting like a cookie-cutter scammer.

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January 21, 2013, 02:56:35 PM
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Jakers, just ignore Tomatocage for now.

You try do trade & if some one asks about, why Tomatocage put your name in list, redirect them to this thread.

If you start doing some trades then your name will be removed.
Their is no use of keep on telling Tomatocage to remove your name.

Due to a lot of friends, trustees showed their real face, which was ugly, made this forum to act with iron hands without mercy.
In all other forums you talk about money. Here you CREATING money.

Just do trade & your name will be removed from list.

Absolutely. @Jakers Get a few trades under your belt and/or post some worthwhile contributions (ie. posts with real content, not just "lol" fluff), and otherwise show that you're here to stay, and I'll gladly remove your name.  

BTW, this isn't even an official list.  In fact, nobody seems to even pay attention to it given the amount of scams that still happen.

Off Topic: There's a reason why DPony13 hasn't been added to the list. Try to pay attention and figure out what he's doing.

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FYI

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=138007.new#new
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I'm not defending Jakers, but he's being accused by brand new accounts that were just created a few hours ago.

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I am thinking about making my own thread entitled "These people are just wasting other user's time" so I can put people like Dank Phinneas Gage and Tomatocage along with MPO-PR etc.  Since this abortion of a thread has been allowed to continue why would mine not be?

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I am thinking about making my own thread entitled "These people are just wasting other user's time" so I can put people like Dank Phinneas Gage and Tomatocage along with MPO-PR etc.  Since this abortion of a thread has been allowed to continue why would mine not be?

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Sure.  Why wouldn't I be?  You have no problem being a piece and messing with people.  (Especially new ones.)

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I am thinking about making my own thread entitled "These people are just wasting other user's time" so I can put people like Dank Phinneas Gage and Tomatocage along with MPO-PR etc.  Since this abortion of a thread has been allowed to continue why would mine not be?

it's called the "ignore" button and the "unwatch" link at the top of the thread.
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Sure.  Why wouldn't I be?  You have no problem being a piece and messing with people.  (Especially new ones.)

Cry me a river. Would you rather I start creating a bunch of shell accounts and start scamming people out of their coins?

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Who's to say you aren't doing that now, making sure to only call out other new members of course.

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Looks like scam activity is picking back up in this section.

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so once you are on this list how to you go about proving your not a scammer?
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so once you are on this list how to you go about proving your not a scammer?

The best course of action is to not immediately start selling gift cards or asking for loans as soon as you break out of newbie jail Smiley  Being on the list doesn't necessarily mean you're a scammer, as there are a few who have been on the list who have had successful trades.  This is merely a list of people who might be high-risk borrowers because of the indicators listed in the OP.

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jakers is at it again.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139035.msg1481286#msg1481286
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He gets mad at being labeled a potential scammer, but then he keeps doing questionable things like this...
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Whoah whaaat.

Am I here
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in a sense xD

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Updated.

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User shoopwooper is definitely a scammer.  He posted about some b.s. mining program needing funding, and then disappeared without a trace, never mentioning who he received funding from. You can probably change 'pending' to confirmed scammer.

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Take me off the list, your claim is wrong.

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Take me off the list, your claim is wrong.

Why is constitution's name attached to someone else's forum post?

I've helped OP to update. It's probably a typo.

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Sorry, I might have cross-linked the wrong thread.

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Updated.

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Man, I'm stickying your thream for the usefulness. Any non-brain-dead lenders should take in this thread before potentially getting scammed. Thank you for what you've done for the community.

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Man, I'm stickying your thream for the usefulness. Any non-brain-dead lenders should take in this thread before potentially getting scammed. Thank you for what you've done for the community.

This should be a must read for noobs, just like the logged hours. Possibly read this for 4 hours?  Grin

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how long does it take to get off your list?

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how long does it take to get off your list?
As soon as you make a successful loan repayment, you'll get moved to the green list.  However, that doesn't necessarily mean somebody can't still become a scammer later on down the road, as was the case with Jakers.

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Man, I'm stickying your thream for the usefulness. Any non-brain-dead lenders should take in this thread before potentially getting scammed. Thank you for what you've done for the community.
Thanks, John. Now I don't have to keep scrolling down to find this thread Smiley

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Updated with the latest wave of possible/probable scam loan requests. I removed ProfMac from the list for the fact that his social media accounts do appear to be his and have been around for several years. That being said, lenders should still use caution whenever loaning to anybody.

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I'm still on there as "pending". 


5 to 60 is a huge jump.  I can see how that would raise flags.
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how long does it take to get off your list?

How long are you going to be on "vacation" for?

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Looks like people are finally learning. Of course that's a double edged sword sort of deal.

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Updated: Changed Roxyoursox to confirmed scammer.

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Updated with the latest round of scammers.

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Flatlinezor doesn't seem like a scammer to me. Most scammers aren't willing to use escrow. Of course, I'm not the pro. Wink
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=148593.0 UncleBuckRIU (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=146968.0 flavius (Pending)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=146788.0 d3adleavez (Pending, New account + loan request)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=146362.0 OrangeVonPurple (Pending, Possibly alt of marketersales . Went straight to selling XBoxLive points.)

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March 03, 2013, 05:12:49 AM
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=146362.0 OrangeVonPurple (Pending, Possibly alt of marketersales . Went straight to selling XBoxLive points.)

I can vouch for OVP. I did a trade with him for a download code where I sent my BTC first. He not only gave me the game, but some free points in appreciation for sending my end first. I know one good trade isn't enough for total trust, but I personally don't believe this guy is scamming people.
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Changed the color of legit users (ie. ones probably not shell accounts created for the sole purpose of scamming) to green. They are still may "fit the profile," so as usual use caution when doing business with anybody on here.

Changed the color of users who have completed successful trades to green as well.

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I'd like to propose "Stealing/Copying another user's avatar" as a red flag as well.  I've been noticing that quite a bit.
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I'd like to propose "Stealing/Copying another user's avatar" as a red flag as well.  I've been noticing that quite a bit.

Really?

I don't have seen this once.

Unless you mean the forums standard avatars? This can hardly be counted as stealing.

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I'd like to propose "Stealing/Copying another user's avatar" as a red flag as well.  I've been noticing that quite a bit.

Really?

I don't have seen this once.

Unless you mean the forums standard avatars? This can hardly be counted as stealing.

Ah, thanks for the info.  I'm sure that's what I've been seeing.  My account is so new, I haven't even seen the pool of default avatars yet.

Pardon my ignorance.    Embarrassed
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I'd like to propose "Stealing/Copying another user's avatar" as a red flag as well.  I've been noticing that quite a bit.

Really?

I don't have seen this once.

Unless you mean the forums standard avatars? This can hardly be counted as stealing.

Ah, thanks for the info.  I'm sure that's what I've been seeing.  My account is so new, I haven't even seen the pool of default avatars yet.

Pardon my ignorance.    Embarrassed

It's all good. I had thought the same thing when I had my first account here. Wink
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was I ever in here?

though i didn't go around asking for loans until I was at least 6 months old maybe

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Added Currencevents to green list. As always, lenders are still advised to use caution when dealing with new accounts.

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March 19, 2013, 09:22:48 AM
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Posted this before, but:
I'm not a scammer. Take a look at my eBay rep (same name). I'd even be happy to send first with older members.

All my listings are escrowed.

I sell Xbox cards because I buy them in bulk. Just trying to get into the bitcoin market, too.

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Hmm didn't know I was profiled, can we get an update that I have paid back/Bought over 6btc without issue?

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This:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=158761.0 shibaji (Pending, New acct + Loan req)

was paid back yesterday.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=154309.msg1691012#msg1691012

I will close the loan thread.

You are doing a good service to the board. I wish I found this before getting scammed by dealing through PM.

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This:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=158761.0 shibaji (Pending, New acct + Loan req)

was paid back yesterday.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=154309.msg1691012#msg1691012

I will close the loan thread.

You are doing a good service to the board. I wish I found this before getting scammed by dealing through PM.

Thanks for the update. I'm sometimes slow to keep this thing up to date Smiley I'll move you to the green list in a min...

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Updated. Grats on the successful payback, shibaji -- you're now on the green list, and you've moved up a notch in our book. That puts you at notch 1 Smiley

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Updated. Grats on the successful payback, shibaji -- you're now on the green list, and you've moved up a notch in our book. That puts you at notch 1 Smiley

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Please see this thread as well : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=157998.0

This person is creating profile frequently, with sole intention to steal money from people.
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I made this list yday and since then nckfor has already been outted as a scammer. Look for scams forthcoming from the following users:

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Cereal
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Starmie
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=168669.0 lucyhiggins (Scammer*, New acct + Wants you to link your bank account to his PayPal account)

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=165884.0 Flux79 (Pending, New acct + Gift cards)

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=169738.0 michaelangelo (Pending, New acct + Loan req)

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=169922.0 vitalemontea (Pending, New acct + Peddling digital goods/WU)

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170446.0 zakolivers (Pending, New acct + Wants to buy BTC with PayPal. He uses a seemingly real first/last name as his username, so he's gotta be legit, right?)

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=171613.0 nawazish1 (Pending, New acct + Loan req)

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Bitzing is a scammer
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=89039

Taking Moneypak and not sending coin.

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=172696.0 legendster (Pending, New acct + Loan req for 25 BTC)

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=171031.0 StealthyDamn (Pending, New acct + Get rich quick scam)

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Looks like there is a new trend developing - asking for loan with hacked account of reputed members. May be we need a list where members can put their name in if they never plan to apply for a loan without collateral.

Dunno what is the solution  Angry

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I have repaid 8 loans to be accurate and only late on the last one Smiley

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I have repaid 8 loans to be accurate and only late on the last one Smiley

That's how ponzi schemes work.  They pay back everyone, on time, until they default.


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Keep moving those goalposts. You're a sad little man.  Pathetic obnoxious human being. If you weren't so much the previously mentioned negative things I'd pity you. Cry

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Guys. Please STFU already Smiley

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Guys. Please STFU already Smiley

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Keep moving those goalposts. You're a sad little man.  Pathetic obnoxious human being. If you weren't so much the previously mentioned negative things I'd pity you. Cry

Well I do pity you and all scammers.   Cry  You're not trying to help yourself and you're just relying on the charity of others.  I'm starting to think you lied about having two children as well, because most people would want a better life for their children, not one of servitude and debt.  

I'm not going to post in this thread anymore, because that's not what it's for.  I just wanted to warn people that you tried a ponzi once and failed, and are very likely to start up again as soon as you think it is safe.  So take a free shot at me - I'll give it to ya.   Wink

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I'm done tomato but I think you should mention I paid back 7 loans up to 10BTC at a time before the single loan I had issues with. Saying I had to be coerced is not really fair I just needed time to raise the funds. That a small group took it upon themselves to troll and make accusations of my intentions to abandon my account does not mean I had to be coerced. I kept in contact with my lenders, most of which are repeat lenders since my very first loan, the entire time. If the people I've actually done business with don't find reason to doubt me and still have me a 100% rating I don't think it's fair or right for you to take it upon yourself to raise doubt. 7 loans no issue and 1 with issue and it took the 8th to get removed and it's the only one you mention. Literally nothing about my loan history should raise concern/point to me being a scammer but the way it's put in this thread makes it look like I am not trustworthy. I said what I was doing with the BTC up front and matthew even logged into my MtGox account to verify I was not running a ponzi or anything shady. I just made a mistake. The current state of my listing in here is not accurate. It's your list though so you'll do what you want just thought I'd mention this.

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I cant explain how happy I am to see my name here really ! So happy, I m gonna go kill some ants and insects now & obliterate their little villages -_-

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=180246.0 Slix313 (Pending, New acct + Loan req)

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=181429.0 btc-escrow.co (Pending, New acct + Loan req)

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Mosper has started his ponzi up again.

https://btcjam.com/listings/3639   Already 100% funded for 10btc
https://btcjam.com/listings/3684   Currently funding for another 10btc (deleted by Mosper)
https://btcjam.com/listings/3731   Funding for 50 btc (deleted by Mosper)

He seems to delete listings that won't fund so he doesn't leave any kind of trail.

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Tomatocage : or anyone How does a new member start to establish a good reputation.  I don't want loan's but would like to buy Bitcoin or casascius. When offered, I don't expect anyone to send anything blindly but also do not know what to offer as credibility. Also please direct me to any thread that explains escrow and how it works. This sounds like a good option but how do I know how to learn how it works or what does it. When I search for escrow i get no basic info.
Thanks for this post any advice would be appreciated.

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=183309.0 theblazehen (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=185004.0 bennett616 (Pending, New acct + Multiple loan reqs)

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Lol the suspicion is killing me haha Tongue

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=186031.0 kidcudi09 (Pending, New acct + Loan req)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=185898.0 ashleysly (Pending, New acct + Loan req + Signs with full name + Implied female)

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=184165.0 rarkenin (Pending, New acct + Loan req)

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Mosper has funded another 15btc loan to pay off his 10btc loan.
https://btcjam.com/listings/3824

This cycle will continue until one of his loans fails to fund and he defaults - just like last time.

EDIT:  New loan request for 25btc:
https://btcjam.com/listings/3905 (deleted by Mosper when it wasn't funding)
https://btcjam.com/listings/3923 for 20btc (deleted by Mosper)
https://btcjam.com/listings/3951 for 12 btc

I suspect the majority of this loan will be filled by alternate Mosper accounts, like his last loans have been.

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=188674.0 vivithemage (Pending, Old dormant account newly revived and asking for a loan)

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The bad thing about this thread is : it's "how to be a better scammer" 101.

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=185004.0 bennett616 (Pending, New acct + Multiple loan reqs)

Repaid.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=185004.0

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Great post. I will be checking this every time I make a trade. I am thinking about asking for a loan so I'll have to make sure I provide the proper identification and all that first so I don't get marked as a scammer Wink
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hardup has repaid me    he sent me the .3 btc to my address rather then paying me back through btcjam.    if you need other confimations please tell me
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hardup has repaid me    he sent me the .3 btc to my address rather then paying me back through btcjam.    if you need other confimations please tell me
Thanks for the update. I'll move him to the green list now.

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Due to the recent wave of scams, I've felt it necessary to add an additional item (#0) to the list. It's not really a way to spot a scammer, but more so helpful advice to keep you from losing your coins.

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May 08, 2013, 08:19:45 AM
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Got P.M'd by this one, Even though I have said I am no longer lending.

Hi

Im Robin Sandell from Sweden, im 27 years old and im looking for loan.
Saw a thread on loan forum and here i am Smiley

I can provide my home phone number+new bills+id card so you feel safe with me.
I need 5 btc for a maximum of 1 months.

If you accept me do i need to payback in btc or can i pay in other currency?


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Got P.M'd by this one, Even though I have said I am no longer lending.

Hi

Im Robin Sandell from Sweden, im 27 years old and im looking for loan.
Saw a thread on loan forum and here i am Smiley

I can provide my home phone number+new bills+id card so you feel safe with me.
I need 5 btc for a maximum of 1 months.

If you accept me do i need to payback in btc or can i pay in other currency?


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EDIT - user has 3 posts.

Probably safe to chalk that one up as a scammer. I'll add him to the list in a little bit.

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anyroll, new big scammer
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Recommending a link for a successful detailed loan. I had over 150 posts, offered skype for interview. PM'd private info, loan repaid in 3 days. Went smoothly and is a clean thread.

Feel free to share on spotting a good loan!!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=209024.0

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Recommending a link for a successful detailed loan. I had over 150 posts, offered skype for interview. PM'd private info, loan repaid in 3 days. Went smoothly and is a clean thread.

Feel free to share on spotting a good loan!!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=209024.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=75742.0

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Great thread. Someone recommended John K to use for escrow in selling my vid cards, so thanks, John!

Being interested in the community and growing my reputation I'm looking at OTC.

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I'm going to stop updating this list. Nobody ever pays attention to it anyway.

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I'm going to stop updating this list. Nobody ever pays attention to it anyway.

It seems an idiot will invariably come along and throw money at anything.

Yes, it's annoying as hell watching "the stupid" on continuous loop.

I need to stop reading these threads.
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I'm going to stop updating this list. Nobody ever pays attention to it anyway.

I know what that's like Sad

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I'm going to stop updating this list. Nobody ever pays attention to it anyway.


That's not true.

I appreciate you effort.

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I appreciate the effort too, and it's surprising to see my name on there. Then again, new accounts asking for a loan isn't exactly "safe", so I understand.

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I'm going to stop updating this list. Nobody ever pays attention to it anyway.


That's not true.

I appreciate you effort.

No, that's not true.  Sad I for one read this thread regularly, and I'm sure any newbies with half a brain will do so too.

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No, that's not true.  Sad I for one read this thread regularly, and I'm sure any newbies with half a brain will do so too.

John, is it possible to give edit privs to multiple people for a given thread? I barely have time for the forum with my schedule at work basically doubling. Now I'm relegated to browsing from my phone and it's a PITA to copy/paste on a phone.

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Nice thread. 
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I'm going to stop updating this list. Nobody ever pays attention to it anyway.

I know what that's like Sad

All you are concerned about is what 'YOU guys' think is wrong. Like a loan request, you never consider the things like a high risk trade, the fact that someone is actually providing his real identification docs etc... no wonder this thread is useless.


BUT on the contrary you are doing a good job with an apparently good intent, but this is too much power for a single man. For all I know you can use this thread to extort someone.

None the less, this will and might reduce some chances of fraudency BUT it also destroys credibility based on false assumptions, but this doesnt mean I like either of you. Angry

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June 14, 2013, 08:45:30 PM
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What does BTCJam do if someone defaults on a loan?

I see a few that I know are from deadbeats on this board.

Will BTCJam attempt to recover the funds from the scammer(s) via legal action?

All they did was collect people's ID and facebook page and a utility bill etc.  What do they do with that information if someone defaults?  Do they call the authorities?

THEY DID NOTHING on the investments that I made.

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June 15, 2013, 09:51:39 PM
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How to spot a scammer?
Just look at his Trust. Wink
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June 22, 2013, 12:02:05 PM
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boss. here's a loan bennett616 failed to pay me.  doesn't respond to pm.  please put him a scammer tag.  thanks.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=226609.0

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June 25, 2013, 04:50:17 AM
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boss. here's a loan bennett616 failed to pay me.  doesn't respond to pm.  please put him a scammer tag.  thanks.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=226609.0

Will update the list. Thanks for the update, and sorry to hear he didn't follow through.

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Great Thread, Thank You for this Tomatocage   Good Stuff Grin

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hello . today i got a replay from a user called legitnick who hosted a 5 btc 4th of july raffle.  on the front page of the raffle Mod has added scammer / phisher note , and under that the message was approved by John .

I would like to know if the link he sent me is safe or how can I find out if its safe for the future


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July 06, 2013, 01:20:37 AM
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you gotta put juneteenth on this list.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=127112
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August 19, 2013, 04:18:27 AM
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All I have to say is let us not hate on noobs too much... I realize that being new begs the question.. maybe they just joined to gain something.. but some are new for legitimate  reasons like myself.. let hating others be done with =D

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thanks for the info.

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Maybe this is the wrong place to post this question, but based on this list of scammer flags it is going to be very very hard for a newbie to establish him/herself as being trustworthy in the community.

So... how does a newbie prove trustworthiness? I've posted here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=342125.0 trying to stimulate some trades and I have done two successful trades with LocalBitcoins.com and received positive feedback both times. https://localbitcoins.com/accounts/profile/alexmarkley/feedback/unconf/

But again, based on this thread it seems like I have a long uphill climb.

3. Use of a seemingly realistic first/last name as their forum account name
4. Signs posts with full name

In particular, these two red flags seem like a pain in the butt to me. I totally get why a scammer would try to falsely establish trust by using a fake-but-realistic name. But what about those of us who have invested a lot of real world effort into building a trustworthy name? I value my name a lot.

Any thoughts or advice on this?

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Was great to read this thread.

Great advice.

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Thanks, I have been considering peer to peer lending as a means to get more RoI out of my portfolio but this is making me think twice

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In particular, these two red flags seem like a pain in the butt to me. I totally get why a scammer would try to falsely establish trust by using a fake-but-realistic name. But what about those of us who have invested a lot of real world effort into building a trustworthy name? I value my name a lot.
Any thoughts or advice on this?

You value your name - no one else does.  You have to prove your value to us with your contributions to the community.  There are no shortcuts.

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I value my name a lot.

You value your name - no one else does.  You have to prove your value to us with your contributions to the community.  There are no shortcuts.

I agree. I'm not looking for shortcuts, just hoping to avoid getting red-flagged simply for using my real name.

Can you give any pointers on, "contributions to the community?" I've been doing some trades and I've put up some products for sale on coingig. I have a software development background but no time to contribute patches etc.. I've made some posts here on the forum, but I don't want to wantonly post all over the place.

Any thoughts are appreciated.

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December 21, 2013, 07:48:18 PM
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i most liked on thread "Newbies, NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH OTHER NEWBIES, EVER."
The other newbie might be bad guy... good point.
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You're only 99.9% right as I'm a newbie and I'm trading in high volume without a problem; however I also attract lots of scams which I know how to fight back.
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April 02, 2014, 07:53:04 AM
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Very helpful,but I'm surprised dank is not on the list.

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June 13, 2014, 06:31:56 AM
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Updated OP to include:

13. Any user who tries to get you to use escrow through Escrow.com is a scammer, PERIOD.

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June 18, 2014, 03:27:51 AM
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Some info here (BTCJam related): http://btcjamscam.com/

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August 08, 2014, 06:15:46 PM
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If this is still being updated, bitcoin212 https://btcjam.com/users/27023 seems to be trying to run a pyramid scheme. Not sure, either way posts don't make sense.

Just as a warning.
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August 25, 2014, 04:05:13 PM
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Great list TomatoCage. Very diligent examples Smiley This should be a must read for anyone even considering loaning out Bitcoin or other Coins. Grin

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