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November 01, 2012, 12:11:56 PM
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I agree, I hate to state it this way and it sounds really bad but
"Someone who is raped and never comes forward lets the rapist go free, the one who stands up and fights can stop another rape from happening." Will you let another pirate rape our community? ask yourself that do you want bitcoin to stay a theif's market? or do you want it to change?

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November 01, 2012, 03:47:10 PM
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I agree, I hate to state it this way and it sounds really bad but
"Someone who is raped and never comes forward lets the rapist go free, the one who stands up and fights can stop another rape from happening." Will you let another pirate rape our community? ask yourself that do you want bitcoin to stay a theif's market? or do you want it to change?

Pirate rape is a known evil.

(US) Government precedent is a very unknown evil and at this time we don't know if the Govt/SEC is an honest cop who will help or, through no fault or intention of his own, will end up being the original rapist buddies and have a second go at us and we would have been better to learn our lesson and lick our wounds.

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November 01, 2012, 04:29:32 PM
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(US) Government precedent is a very unknown evil and at this time we don't know if the Govt/SEC is an honest cop who will help or, through no fault or intention of his own, will end up being the original rapist buddies and have a second go at us and we would have been better to learn our lesson and lick our wounds.

This. Too many bad experiences with government. I wouldn't trust any government agency any more than I trusted pirate.
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November 01, 2012, 05:30:26 PM
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The question, of course, is for every single "investor": Lost enough to take the risk to trust the SEC/GOV/Man?
People who lost marginal or no sums at all can hardly decide that for the others..
So, again, two evils are to be weighted against each other.

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November 01, 2012, 08:07:38 PM
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Which is why each and every one of us needs to look at our own belief structure and decide how the cost/benefit equation works for us personally. For some, working with the SEC and other investigators to pursue "traditional" justice will be the right call. Others might shy away from this because they don't trust the "traditional" methods to treat them right, or to stay out of a wider investigation that might net things as-yet unthought of to review. Yet others still might choose to find Trendon, and take their retribution out of him physically, or the threat of doing so out of his family unless he is willing to ransom their lives with his stolen gains.

And some may even go through different versions of this cycle to decide what is the right way for them personally. There is no universal truth on how to best prosecute a scumbag like pirate. Personally I think that having the SEC mess up his life for the next couple of years with an investigation is a damn good start, assuming they have frozen all of his assets and taken the sorts of precautionary moves that they and their wicked step-sisters at the IRS are known for. But the whole "hold a gun to his head until he decides to find honor" has a certain appeal too.

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November 02, 2012, 11:34:46 PM
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... their wicked step-sisters at the IRS are known for. ...

No need to go through the SEC for this one. By the way did pirateat40 withhold taxes on the interest payments he paid to non US persons? I suspect the IRS will not consider the fact that these payments were made in Bitcoin to be a valid reason to not withhold taxes. 

http://www.irs.gov/Individuals/How-Do-You-Report-Suspected-Tax-Fraud-Activity%3F

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November 03, 2012, 04:19:02 PM
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We know that many people outside the bitcoin community are following these Trendon Shaver threads.  Thank you for you assistance so far.

We have another request.

Trendon Shavers my have been in the past or currently using assumed names or an alias.  If you have seen or know this guy and know him by a name other then Trendon Shavors we'd like to hear from you.

http://trendonshavers.com/
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November 03, 2012, 07:49:18 PM
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Is anyone aware of other user names (suspected or confirmed) that Trendon Shavers used on this board besides pirateat40?
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November 09, 2012, 07:37:53 AM
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Is anyone aware of other user names (suspected or confirmed) that Trendon Shavers used on this board besides pirateat40?

I think I saw the name Don Shrents somewhere.
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November 09, 2012, 07:50:55 AM
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Is anyone aware of other user names (suspected or confirmed) that Trendon Shavers used on this board besides pirateat40?

I think I saw the name Don Shrents somewhere.

Pretty sure that Don Shrents was a bitlane alt.

All I can say is that this is Bitcoin. I don't believe it until I see six confirmations.
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November 17, 2012, 04:31:42 PM
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Which is why each and every one of us needs to look at our own belief structure and decide how the cost/benefit equation works for us personally. For some, working with the SEC and other investigators to pursue "traditional" justice will be the right call. Others might shy away from this because they don't trust the "traditional" methods to treat them right, or to stay out of a wider investigation that might net things as-yet unthought of to review. Yet others still might choose to find Trendon, and take their retribution out of him physically, or the threat of doing so out of his family unless he is willing to ransom their lives with his stolen gains.

And some may even go through different versions of this cycle to decide what is the right way for them personally. There is no universal truth on how to best prosecute a scumbag like pirate. Personally I think that having the SEC mess up his life for the next couple of years with an investigation is a damn good start, assuming they have frozen all of his assets and taken the sorts of precautionary moves that they and their wicked step-sisters at the IRS are known for. But the whole "hold a gun to his head until he decides to find honor" has a certain appeal too.

Where's my buddy, Loup. He hasn't been active since the 4th unless he's in cloak mode.

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November 17, 2012, 04:49:05 PM
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I was wondering that myself.  A while back he indicated that he had or had knowledge of interactions with the SEC.  Then he disappears.   Everyone is running scared.  Hmmmm.....

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Unless you are a tax/securities attorney or specialist, please do not troll this thread.
We don't need anymore FUD then is already spread else where on these boards.

Why would you want to limit the discussion to "tax/securities attorneys or specialists" when the conversation might gain something with input from someone who has already been interviewed several times over the past couple of months? It's not FUD if it is factual, and I can categorically state that at least two PPT's are a definite focus of this investigation beyond Trendon.

I can also confirm that this investigation is willing to use subpoena powers to compel "conversations" as required.

That's only causes fear if you are a PPT and you sent ANYTHING through to pirate, in which case you might want to be looking to reimburse real fast.

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January 28, 2013, 02:08:55 AM
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Bump...for the sake of there really not being any new information since November about pirateat40?

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January 28, 2013, 03:35:54 AM
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If the SEC and the FED can not prosecute executives at HSBC, Goldman, Bear, Lehman and MF Global etc. for fraud then there is no way they are bringing in a piker like Trendon Shavers for scamming with his Internet play money. The only hope is income tax fraud cause no way the Shavers' can afford those vehicles and that home on Ashley's Six Flags income.
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January 28, 2013, 03:39:00 AM
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If the SEC and the FED can not prosecute executives at HSBC, Goldman, Bear, Lehman and MF Global etc. for fraud then there is no way they are bringing in a piker like Trendon Shavers for scamming with his Internet play money.
You tragically misunderstand how the United States Just-Us system works.
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November 17, 2013, 07:25:09 PM
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any updates on this ? i mailed the sec dude last year in december... havent heard anything back from him appart from this

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Thank you for reaching out to us.  Before we can speak, I have to make sure there are no legal hurdles on my end.  (There are different rules for each country.)  The individuals with whom I need to consult are on vacation this week, but I am sure I will be in touch shortly after the new year.
 
I hope the holiday season is finding you well.

Philip Moustakis ∙ Senior Attorney ∙ Division of Enforcement ∙ United States Securities & Exchange Commission ∙ 3 World Financial Center, Suite 400, New York, NY 10281-1022 ∙ (212) 336-0542 ∙ moustakisp@sec.gov
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November 20, 2013, 01:16:27 AM
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any updates on this ? i mailed the sec dude last year in december... havent heard anything back from him appart from this

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Thank you for reaching out to us.  Before we can speak, I have to make sure there are no legal hurdles on my end.  (There are different rules for each country.)  The individuals with whom I need to consult are on vacation this week, but I am sure I will be in touch shortly after the new year.
 
I hope the holiday season is finding you well.

Philip Moustakis ∙ Senior Attorney ∙ Division of Enforcement ∙ United States Securities & Exchange Commission ∙ 3 World Financial Center, Suite 400, New York, NY 10281-1022 ∙ (212) 336-0542 ∙ moustakisp@sec.gov

This has been partially resolved as of July this year.
http://www.sec.gov/litigation/complaints/2013/comp-pr2013-132.pdf
http://www.sec.gov/News/PressRelease/Detail/PressRelease/1370539730583#.UowNP8SsiG4

No need to necro a thread when a quick Google search will do. Wink

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