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I just happened upon The United States Attorney's Office for the Northern District of California announced today that Roger Ver was sentenced to 10 months in prison for selling explosives on the online auction site, eBay. The sentence was handed down by U.S. District Court Judge Jeremy Fogel following a guilty plea on one count of dealing in explosives without a license in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 842(a)(1); one count of illegally storing explosives in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 842(j); and one count of mailing injurious articles in violation Title 18, United States Code, Section 1716. Mr. Ver, 22, of San Jose, was charged in an information filed in federal district court on August 8, 2001. According to the plea agreement, Mr. Ver admitted to engaging in the business of selling explosives without a license from January 1999 through August 2000. According to the information and plea agreement, Mr. Ver sold explosive devices described as "Pest Control Report 2000" on the online auction site eBay. He purchased approximately 49 pounds of the devices from a supplier in South Carolina, and sold at least 14 pounds of the devices to bidders on eBay. While engaging in the business of selling explosive devices, Mr. Ver stored the explosives in a residential apartment building and mailed the devices via the United States Mail in a manner contrary to Postal Service regulations. Judge Fogel sentenced the Defendant to 10 months in federal prison, a fine of $2,000, as well as a three-year period of supervised release. The Defendant will begin serving the sentence on August 2, 2002. The prosecution was the result of an investigation by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms. Scott Frewing is the Assistant U.S. Attorney who prosecuted the case with the assistance of Legal Assistant Lauri Gomez. via justice.gov. Is this news to everyone or just me? |
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MPOE-PR (OP)
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October 28, 2012, 09:51:15 AM |
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Seems they were some sort of fireworks. |
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October 28, 2012, 05:28:59 PM |
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Is this news to everyone or just me?
maybe not just you, but he isn't keeping it a secret: As a convicted felon, I think [...]
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October 28, 2012, 05:43:20 PM |
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This is well known. We still support Roger 100% with his support of bitcoin.
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BitPay : The World Leader in Bitcoin Business Solutions https://bitpay.comDoes your website accept bitcoins? |
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October 28, 2012, 06:03:38 PM |
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I found the original post particularly offensive.
This is yet another reason that when your ignore button gets dark enough the user should automatically be given the douche bag tag and their posts should not longer be visable anywhere unless other users click on them.
MOE-PR - You should change that subject line too.
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October 28, 2012, 06:17:18 PM |
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This is yet another reason that when your ignore button gets dark enough the user should automatically be given the douche bag tag and their posts should not longer be visable anywhere unless other users click on them.
gee... Thanks a lot for that... Now back on topic. I'm also an ex-con. And so what? Am I less of a person because I decided to stand for what I believed and got sent to jail because of it? |
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October 28, 2012, 06:17:45 PM |
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This is well known. We still support Roger 100% with his support of bitcoin.
All this does is strengthen my association of "ex-con" with living in a police state. It no longer has any automatic negative connotation. |
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October 28, 2012, 06:25:39 PM |
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psy, I'll still like you no matter how dark your ignore button gets.
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October 28, 2012, 06:47:29 PM |
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All this does is strengthen my association of "ex-con" with living in a police state. It no longer has any automatic negative connotation.
Exactly. According to this post of him, Roger apparently provoked the wrong people, and got sent to jail for a non-crime that normally is not actually punished. It's crypto-totalitarianism. Everyone is a potential "criminal". Provoke the wrong people, and they may literally destroy your life. |
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October 28, 2012, 06:53:24 PM |
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He purchased approximately 49 pounds of the devices from a supplier in South Carolina, and sold at least 14 pounds of the devices to bidders on eBay.
And each one has 1 gram of "explosives" in it? (per the "fireworks link") and probably weighs 50-100 grams in total? I am pretty sure I legally bought "devices" like that for the fourth of July when I was fourteen years old. |
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October 28, 2012, 07:00:11 PM |
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OMG HE BROKE VICTIMLESS CRIME LAWS WHAT A TRAGEDY
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October 28, 2012, 07:01:06 PM |
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All this does is strengthen my association of "ex-con" with living in a police state. It no longer has any automatic negative connotation.
Exactly. According to this post of him, Roger apparently provoked the wrong people, and got sent to jail for a non-crime that normally is not actually punished. It's crypto-totalitarianism. Everyone is a potential "criminal". Provoke the wrong people, and they may literally destroy your life. This exact same thing happened to a friend of mine's dad. He ran for state political office and they threatened to destroy his life if he didn't quit the race. When he didn't, they trumped up some absolute garbage about how the insurance company he owned sent some business paperwork with mistakes in it through the mail, constituting mail fraud. He spent 10 years in jail. The case was complete nonsense, his business was the very clean, and everyone involved knew it. Our "justice" system is a joke. |
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October 28, 2012, 07:13:18 PM |
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All this does is strengthen my association of "ex-con" with living in a police state. It no longer has any automatic negative connotation.
Exactly. According to this post of him, Roger apparently provoked the wrong people, and got sent to jail for a non-crime that normally is not actually punished. Looks like he made the mistake of not operating under a government created fiction called a corporation. The people who they should have prosecuted got away with just stopping sales of the product: http://amarillo.com/stories/2003/01/18/usn_missouricom.shtml |
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All this does is strengthen my association of "ex-con" with living in a police state. It no longer has any automatic negative connotation.
It would seem that conviction speaks louder against the US Govt than against Mr. Ver. I found the original post particularly offensive.
This is yet another reason that when your ignore button gets dark enough the user should automatically be given the douche bag tag and their posts should not longer be visable anywhere unless other users click on them.
MOE-PR - You should change that subject line too.
What exactly is your problem? |
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October 28, 2012, 07:31:50 PM |
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All this does is strengthen my association of "ex-con" with living in a police state. It no longer has any automatic negative connotation.
Exactly. According to this post of him, Roger apparently provoked the wrong people, and got sent to jail for a non-crime that normally is not actually punished. It's crypto-totalitarianism. Everyone is a potential "criminal". Provoke the wrong people, and they may literally destroy your life. This exact same thing happened to a friend of mine's dad. He ran for state political office and they threatened to destroy his life if he didn't quit the race. When he didn't, they trumped up some absolute garbage about how the insurance company he owned sent some business paperwork with mistakes in it through the mail, constituting mail fraud. He spent 10 years in jail. The case was complete nonsense, his business was the very clean, and everyone involved knew it. Our "justice" system is a joke. That's insane. Every day I feel less bad about wanting an economic collapse to come about and smash this system, and to ruin those sorts who depend on it and use it to enact such injustice. |
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October 28, 2012, 07:53:16 PM |
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That's insane.
Every day I feel less bad about wanting an economic collapse to come about and smash this system, and to ruin those sorts who depend on it and use it to enact such injustice.
It was completely insane. I have to fix my earlier statements though - it's been over a decade since I discussed this with my friend. He got 6 years + 3 years supervised release. He was not charged with mail fraud, but "conspiracy to commit mail fraud" - and there weren't any actual mistakes - it was supposedly about his business solvency - but his business was solvent the entire time. They railroaded him and destroyed his life. It's really scary to think about how easily it could happen to any of us, if someone with pull chooses to make it happen. Scary and infuriating. |
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October 28, 2012, 08:13:50 PM |
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This is totally OFF-TOPIC
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October 28, 2012, 08:24:25 PM |
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I vote to move this thread to the trash can and theymos, I'd gladly take GOAT back if you ban this FUD mongerer MOE-PR
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October 28, 2012, 08:41:23 PM |
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I vote to move this thread to the trash can and theymos, I'd gladly take GOAT back if you ban this FUD mongerer MOE-PR
Dude, seriously, who the fuck are you again? I must have missed the moment when you did something I should care about. Or at least remember or something. |
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October 28, 2012, 08:57:07 PM
Last edit: October 30, 2012, 01:20:26 AM by Maged |
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I vote to move this thread to the trash can and theymos, I'd gladly take GOAT back if you ban this FUD mongerer MOE-PR
Dude, seriously, who the fuck are you again? I must have missed the moment when you did something I should care about. Or at least remember or something. I'm nobody. I just find you annoying. Sorry. |
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