Do you calculate before deciding to Fold or Call?

[enhu]

I just wanted to learn the factors you consider when you are about to decide to Call or Fold.  
Maybe calculating how much you win or lose before deciding, which information do you look from the All-in player?
VP, PFR, STIL, CB and etc..

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[bitbaby]

The things I consider before deciding to call or not is first of all, My hand, is it good enough to beat, the other player's playing style, is he a bluffer or a good hands player and then the community cards, which tells you if the other person might have made a flush or a straight, but not too much calculation, it's about gut instinct to some extent.

[SyGambler]

there are many factors to consider when you are about to call an all in , for example is it a cash game or a tourney , what type of players you are playing against
in cash games for sure you need to focus on your opponents move , cause sometimes AJs can be a monster against fun players type , in general you should pick up a premium hand when you are willing to call an all in pre flop in a cash game
in tourneys you should consider more factors since when you are busted you can't reload , sometimes you have to gamble with any pair sometimes you need to wait for a good spot

it's a long discussion actually , every spot has its own decision

[yanka50]

Simple answer is you have to consider everything your hand, his hand, chips in pot ...

[twicezeroiszero]

Nah just go with instinct man feel the flow 

[katerniko1]

against all in player all you can do is wait for a great hand and try your luck or wait for someone else test his luck.
regards.
-Katerniko1

[Nahl]

i do not have a much skill to calculate every roll in the poker games and all of my decisions is only based from my instinct

[pjsonowal]

i really dont do that.....better way is to recall earlier bets of the player against you...

[nickenburg]

I don't calculate before I fold or call,
It all depends on the hand and the position i'm in.
It also depends what you play 6 or 9 handed.

When I play 9 handed I only play good hands early and play aggressive before the blinds
You got some great website that can help you to become better at poker.

[Aemon]

I am assuming you are talking about poker?  Are you talking about holdem? 

I usually call depending on how strong I think the other persons hand is.  There are also times where I know I have the best hand and then I will be folding.  Poker is a game of feel and reading other people.  Gotta be good at those to do well.

[gogxmagog]

It has to be real physical cards, I do not trust digital decks at all, but with real cards it is possible to "count" the deck... more so the longer play goes on. so i usually start the night trying for a little intuition and take a few risks, but by the end of the night I've usually got the whole table figured out.

does that answer your question?

[yanka50]

It has to be real physical cards, I do not trust digital decks at all, but with real cards it is possible to "count" the deck... more so the longer play goes on. so i usually start the night trying for a little intuition and take a few risks, but by the end of the night I've usually got the whole table figured out.

does that answer your question?

How the hell do you count cards at poker table, you made my day sir

[fox19891989]

there are many factors to consider when you are about to call an all in , for example is it a cash game or a tourney , what type of players you are playing against
in cash games for sure you need to focus on your opponents move , cause sometimes AJs can be a monster against fun players type , in general you should pick up a premium hand when you are willing to call an all in pre flop in a cash game
in tourneys you should consider more factors since when you are busted you can't reload , sometimes you have to gamble with any pair sometimes you need to wait for a good spot

it's a long discussion actually , every spot has its own decision

you are right my friend, we need to analyze the game and opponent, if they are tight players, we go to call when we have strong hands, or we need to fold.if they are loose players, we can catch their bluffs when we have weak hands, some guys like being allin with 27o

[cazkooo]

It has to be real physical cards, I do not trust digital decks at all, but with real cards it is possible to "count" the deck... more so the longer play goes on. so i usually start the night trying for a little intuition and take a few risks, but by the end of the night I've usually got the whole table figured out.

does that answer your question?

How the hell do you count cards at poker table, you made my day sir

It is not really like count cards but you count the probability that you have the highest combination there. If you have pair three at your hand and there is a pair ace at the table , then you already have two pair but the proability to win is small because someone with pair four will win, that is how you count the probability

[Aemon]

It has to be real physical cards, I do not trust digital decks at all, but with real cards it is possible to "count" the deck... more so the longer play goes on. so i usually start the night trying for a little intuition and take a few risks, but by the end of the night I've usually got the whole table figured out.

does that answer your question?

How the hell do you count cards at poker table, you made my day sir

It is not really like count cards but you count the probability that you have the highest combination there. If you have pair three at your hand and there is a pair ace at the table , then you already have two pair but the proability to win is small because someone with pair four will win, that is how you count the probability

You can count cards all you want and blah blah blah, first counting cards in poker is a terrible strategy.  Second you are far better off reading the opponent then watching the cards. 

[edmundduke]

The best way would be, as said before, look at what you got, what is in the pot and base your decision on that. As for me, i usually go with the gut feeling. If it feels good i call, if not i fold.

[abonarea]

No I don't calculate before deciding to fold or call i just do it and sometimes win and other times loose.It is all about luck more and little your tricks in gambling what I think about casino based games.

[bithasher]

I also don't calculate before to take any decision to make call there, i just check what i have into my hand because sometimes i just call in the very beginning of the game when i think i can win this game.

[victoryboy]

I always look at my hand and see how much possibility is to win if I think it will be useless to drag the gamble then I fold or call immediately without wasting of time.Sometimes I play psychological game with opponent but it depends on with whom I am playing not always and neither everywhere this works.

[FanEagle]

If your hand sucks fold
If you raised too much when you were bluffing and your opponent re-raise, fold
If you just see your hand is widely beatable, fold.

[BTCBinary]

When Playing poker there are a lot of things you need to calculate. You need to figure out, the probability your game has to win. For this you need to have some strategy, but you can't have predefined calculations

[adaseb]

When Playing poker there are a lot of things you need to calculate. You need to figure out, the probability your game has to win. For this you need to have some strategy, but you can't have predefined calculations

Yes true and there is also the fact whether you are playing in an actual casino or online. The rules are totally different. There is also a different level of stress.

Most people in a real casino, are very nervious and show their emotions very easily and you can use it to your advantage.

[cazkooo]

Most people in a real casino, are very nervious and show their emotions very easily and you can use it to your advantage.

They are newbie in that and not everyone is like that. Do you watch how WSOP player play? most of them are faking their emotions to looks like they are having bad card and all in desperate way. If you believe everything you see in the player's emotion then you should not play because it will burn you

[StevenLiang]

I just wanted to learn the factors you consider when you are about to decide to Call or Fold.  
Maybe calculating how much you win or lose before deciding, which information do you look from the All-in player?
VP, PFR, STIL, CB and etc..

Call or Fold,
i will consider this in a poker game instead of other card games.

The first thing of all, it's not like that simple.
Sometimes you just need to "check" with AA card's with flop (K, 9, A) for some bluffer player.

And sometimes you need to raise your 48 card's with flop (J, J, K) for some very tight player. (if they call, then that's mean they have J or K)

The probability in poker is really a lot.
Professional poker player always change their 'play'. Sometimes aggresive, sometimes bluff, sometimes even not raise.

[StevenLiang]

Most people in a real casino, are very nervious and show their emotions very easily and you can use it to your advantage.

They are newbie in that and not everyone is like that. Do you watch how WSOP player play? most of them are faking their emotions to looks like they are having bad card and all in desperate way. If you believe everything you see in the player's emotion then you should not play because it will burn you

For some reason i like to play poker with girl. 
It's fun and they easily show their emotional when have a good card. (but i still call instead, Lol)

[Supercrypt]

When Playing poker there are a lot of things you need to calculate. You need to figure out, the probability your game has to win. For this you need to have some strategy, but you can't have predefined calculations

Yes predetermined calculations will be useless as we can not foresee all the movements well before itself. Same way people do not want to delay on calculating on Fold or Call while playing. This makes some advantages when we move faster in playing but slower and steady will win always for sure.

[StevenLiang]

When Playing poker there are a lot of things you need to calculate. You need to figure out, the probability your game has to win. For this you need to have some strategy, but you can't have predefined calculations

Yes predetermined calculations will be useless as we can not foresee all the movements well before itself. Same way people do not want to delay on calculating on Fold or Call while playing. This makes some advantages when we move faster in playing but slower and steady will win always for sure.

Yes, if we look ourselves play's. We will find we got a lot win when we play it with steady and slower.
No need to hurry. We are just reading now. 

[aakashsangwan]

The things I consider before deciding to call or not is first of all, My hand, is it good enough to beat, the other player's playing style, is he a bluffer or a good hands player and then the community cards, which tells you if the other person might have made a flush or a straight, but not too much calculation, it's about gut instinct to some extent.

you are absolutely correct everything is on instinct because some times bad cards also win and some time good cards also lose it, but when you are playing on some cards when you feel what to do that time your instinct tells you something which if you follow mostly you will win. i have tried this and 90% of time i have won.

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But im always thinking so hard before i decide.

[Aemon]

I don't think poker is that much of a calculation game.  It is more likely to read someone.  I am not saying there are no calculations in Poker it is just more of a reading game.  You can ask any professional player if he played at home games, he doesn't even need to look at his cards and can probably bankrupt the table in 2 hours.

[SyGambler]

I don't think poker is that much of a calculation game.  It is more likely to read someone.  I am not saying there are no calculations in Poker it is just more of a reading game.  You can ask any professional player if he played at home games, he doesn't even need to look at his cards and can probably bankrupt the table in 2 hours.

it's a complicated game with many factors to consider , but in online games math is actually the main factor to consider
most online players play an average of 6 tables at the same time , so most of the decisions are automated and mostly depends on the math

[Eastwind]

i do not have a much skill to calculate every roll in the poker games and all of my decisions is only based from my instinct

What is your gambling performance. Did you win a lot or lose some? Very interested to know the effect of instinct.

[panjul07]

I don't think poker is that much of a calculation game.  It is more likely to read someone.  I am not saying there are no calculations in Poker it is just more of a reading game.  You can ask any professional player if he played at home games, he doesn't even need to look at his cards and can probably bankrupt the table in 2 hours.

Do you mean read other players from their face and gesture? If so, means that it is only working on real casino but we can't do that on online casino. Even it is hard to read other players on real casino specially if we play against totally new players. So calculation is important to decide what next to do, see how much is the pot, how much is our bankroll, etc.

[oni.saori]

When to fold in poker?
You are certain that you hold the worst hand and are also facing a bet.
You don't have enough chance of improving to the best hand compared to the pot odds you get.
You're unsure whether you're ahead or behind, but you'd have to call a big bet now or maybe later in the hand to find out.
You are getting odds to call but you aren't closing the action and it is very likely that someone behind you will make it too expensive to continue.


Situations in which folding would be incorrect
You can check instead :-).
you know you have the best hand (obviously).
You know you probably have the worst hand but you are getting the correct odds to call with your draw anyway.
You know you are behind, but you are also pretty sure that a bluff will win you the pot.

[StevenLiang]

When to fold in poker?
You are certain that you hold the worst hand and are also facing a bet.
You don't have enough chance of improving to the best hand compared to the pot odds you get.
You're unsure whether you're ahead or behind, but you'd have to call a big bet now or maybe later in the hand to find out.
You are getting odds to call but you aren't closing the action and it is very likely that someone behind you will make it too expensive to continue.


Situations in which folding would be incorrect
You can check instead :-).
you know you have the best hand (obviously).
You know you probably have the worst hand but you are getting the correct odds to call with your draw anyway.
You know you are behind, but you are also pretty sure that a bluff will win you the pot.

Agree with these answer,
btw poker is not just theory, you better play and make your own decision on when to fold or call.

[oni.saori]

When to fold in poker?
You are certain that you hold the worst hand and are also facing a bet.
You don't have enough chance of improving to the best hand compared to the pot odds you get.
You're unsure whether you're ahead or behind, but you'd have to call a big bet now or maybe later in the hand to find out.
You are getting odds to call but you aren't closing the action and it is very likely that someone behind you will make it too expensive to continue.


Situations in which folding would be incorrect
You can check instead :-).
you know you have the best hand (obviously).
You know you probably have the worst hand but you are getting the correct odds to call with your draw anyway.
You know you are behind, but you are also pretty sure that a bluff will win you the pot.

Agree with these answer,
btw poker is not just theory, you better play and make your own decision on when to fold or call.

Getting Mathematical
The information you have about your opponent's hand is that he limped from early position, then called a small raise, and when the flop came out he led into you for two-thirds the pot on a 7♠ J♣ Q♦ board.
You can assign him a range of something like TT-77, KQs, Q9s+, J9s+, T8s+, ATo, KQo, QTo+, JTo, T9o - which is a pretty wide range. Against it you're a 40% dog.because the bulk of that range is weak

 he will fold to a raise a high percentage of the time. What the exact percent is is impossible to determine, although it's safe to say that he will be folding enough times to make raising a more profitable play on your part than folding.

[Aemon]

When to fold in poker?
You are certain that you hold the worst hand and are also facing a bet.
You don't have enough chance of improving to the best hand compared to the pot odds you get.
You're unsure whether you're ahead or behind, but you'd have to call a big bet now or maybe later in the hand to find out.
You are getting odds to call but you aren't closing the action and it is very likely that someone behind you will make it too expensive to continue.


Situations in which folding would be incorrect
You can check instead :-).
you know you have the best hand (obviously).
You know you probably have the worst hand but you are getting the correct odds to call with your draw anyway.
You know you are behind, but you are also pretty sure that a bluff will win you the pot.

Agree with these answer,
btw poker is not just theory, you better play and make your own decision on when to fold or call.

Getting Mathematical
The information you have about your opponent's hand is that he limped from early position, then called a small raise, and when the flop came out he led into you for two-thirds the pot on a 7♠ J♣ Q♦ board.
You can assign him a range of something like TT-77, KQs, Q9s+, J9s+, T8s+, ATo, KQo, QTo+, JTo, T9o - which is a pretty wide range. Against it you're a 40% dog.because the bulk of that range is weak

 he will fold to a raise a high percentage of the time. What the exact percent is is impossible to determine, although it's safe to say that he will be folding enough times to make raising a more profitable play on your part than folding.

Nice post, I agree, you can try to pick them on a hand, and usually you can get somewhat close.  Another huge part of poker though is being able to read people so you can calculate what they have, or if they are bluffing.

[enhu]

which sort of card on hand that you can think of calling just to bluff, considering you can afford to lose what's on the pot size.
Your opponent may have 9 and up pair or maybe even trio, straight, flush or so, would you bluff and call?

[FrueGreads]

Well if I don't know anything about the other player, then I just calculate the odds of my hand improving and hitting the nuts or close to it, then I compare it with the investement I need to make to continue on that hand. When I do that, you can estimate if that hand would give you profit in the long run.
It's that "easy".

[Aemon]

You should have a good idea of what your odds are that you can win or not.  Now nothing is for sure in poker because anything can happen, but if you have say a 50% chance to win, and you have invested a lot of money in there it might be worth it to call depending on how much they raise.

[FrueGreads]

You should have a good idea of what your odds are that you can win or not.  Now nothing is for sure in poker because anything can happen, but if you have say a 50% chance to win, and you have invested a lot of money in there it might be worth it to call depending on how much they raise.

50% chance to win is just a coin flip. Do you invest large ammounts of money in coin flips?
That's one of the problems in poker, people don't really compare the "pot odds" (what you need to invest) with the "game odds" (your chances of winning that hand). If the pot has 5BTC and you need to invest 6 BTC, in order to play, and your game odds are just 50%, then you should just fold, because it wont be profitable in the long run.

I might have just 20% of chances to win, if the pot offers me a 50% profit return I will stay there.
You really must compate pot odds with game odds, it does not matter if you have a high chance of winning or not, it only matter if it profitable in the long run or not.

[Aemon]

You should have a good idea of what your odds are that you can win or not.  Now nothing is for sure in poker because anything can happen, but if you have say a 50% chance to win, and you have invested a lot of money in there it might be worth it to call depending on how much they raise.

50% chance to win is just a coin flip. Do you invest large ammounts of money in coin flips?
That's one of the problems in poker, people don't really compare the "pot odds" (what you need to invest) with the "game odds" (your chances of winning that hand). If the pot has 5BTC and you need to invest 6 BTC, in order to play, and your game odds are just 50%, then you should just fold, because it wont be profitable in the long run.

I might have just 20% of chances to win, if the pot offers me a 50% profit return I will stay there.
You really must compate pot odds with game odds, it does not matter if you have a high chance of winning or not, it only matter if it profitable in the long run or not.

So basically you are just rewording exactly what I wrote.  If I have a 50% chance of winning and I am invested 10BTC.  And the raise is .5BTC  You are damn right I am calling.  If you fold you are an idiot. 

You went the other way saying if you have 20% odds with 50% profit return, then you will stay.

[SyGambler]

You should have a good idea of what your odds are that you can win or not.  Now nothing is for sure in poker because anything can happen, but if you have say a 50% chance to win, and you have invested a lot of money in there it might be worth it to call depending on how much they raise.

50% chance to win is just a coin flip. Do you invest large ammounts of money in coin flips?
That's one of the problems in poker, people don't really compare the "pot odds" (what you need to invest) with the "game odds" (your chances of winning that hand). If the pot has 5BTC and you need to invest 6 BTC, in order to play, and your game odds are just 50%, then you should just fold, because it wont be profitable in the long run.

I might have just 20% of chances to win, if the pot offers me a 50% profit return I will stay there.
You really must compate pot odds with game odds, it does not matter if you have a high chance of winning or not, it only matter if it profitable in the long run or not.

I'm sorry mate but your example is kind wrong , when the pot has 5 BTC it's impossible to invest 6 btc
I guess you meant when the pot has 5 btc and someone raise 6 btc then you are investing 6 btc to win 11 btc not 5 btc
so right now you are getting 11 to 6 and the odds are not 50%

[hua_hui]

funny thing is that, when i watch those pro who play, they fold or call is not depend on the pot, it is mainly depend on their cards and possible opponent cards. if they have a little better cards, they hardly will call when pot gets big but when they get big cards, they will try to think of how to make the pot as big as possible. i still think the main factor is their cards and little on pot.

[enhu]

playing on the table is different than playing online. observing how your opponent act may help you decide. if i can see he doubts his cards, he might just have pair or so. i like it When hero call wins.

[Joel_Jantsen]

Its MUST that you calculate before every call or fold!In fact,you should be calculating in your head after each move as you will be aware how deep you're into the game.Its been observed maths experts are good at poker games ,just for the fact that they're good with numbers.

[StevenLiang]

playing on the table is different than playing online. observing how your opponent act may help you decide. if i can see he doubts his cards, he might just have pair or so. i like it When hero call wins.

Yeah, i like that too.
But sometimes when you play on big blind bet table on real table. Is too many bluff there. 

I prefer play real poker with friends with small amount of money.
It's fun, and no body lose actually.

[Aemon]

You should have a good idea of what your odds are that you can win or not.  Now nothing is for sure in poker because anything can happen, but if you have say a 50% chance to win, and you have invested a lot of money in there it might be worth it to call depending on how much they raise.

50% chance to win is just a coin flip. Do you invest large ammounts of money in coin flips?
That's one of the problems in poker, people don't really compare the "pot odds" (what you need to invest) with the "game odds" (your chances of winning that hand). If the pot has 5BTC and you need to invest 6 BTC, in order to play, and your game odds are just 50%, then you should just fold, because it wont be profitable in the long run.

I might have just 20% of chances to win, if the pot offers me a 50% profit return I will stay there.
You really must compate pot odds with game odds, it does not matter if you have a high chance of winning or not, it only matter if it profitable in the long run or not.

I'm sorry mate but your example is kind wrong , when the pot has 5 BTC it's impossible to invest 6 btc
I guess you meant when the pot has 5 btc and someone raise 6 btc then you are investing 6 btc to win 11 btc not 5 btc
so right now you are getting 11 to 6 and the odds are not 50%

Sorry I meant when the pot has 5BTC and someone raises it 6BTC.  And you have 50% chance of winning you probably should not call.  It depends on how much of that 5BTC is yours though, if you had 1BTC invested in there then it is entirely different vs say 2BTC or 2.5BTC.

[paka]

You do not need calculation in poker, its just knowing that you have a weak or good hands. Besides in online poker you have a time wether to call or fold. So, probably you do not have much time to calculate

[Eastwind]

You do not need calculation in poker, its just knowing that you have a weak or good hands. Besides in online poker you have a time wether to call or fold. So, probably you do not have much time to calculate

You need to evaluate from the previous step in the game to see what cards others might have, then take the decision accordingly. If others bluff, you can call.

[BTC Tipster]

It actually depends on your cards, cards on deck and your opponent.

[enhu]

You do not need calculation in poker, its just knowing that you have a weak or good hands. Besides in online poker you have a time wether to call or fold. So, probably you do not have much time to calculate

You need to evaluate from the previous step in the game to see what cards others might have, then take the decision accordingly. If others bluff, you can call.

its not like you as a player can see the facial expression of your opponent that you can tell whether a player is bluffing.  the only clue i can thhink of is when everyone else folds, then most probably all ours cards are worth folding.

[paka]

You do not need calculation in poker, its just knowing that you have a weak or good hands. Besides in online poker you have a time wether to call or fold. So, probably you do not have much time to calculate

You need to evaluate from the previous step in the game to see what cards others might have, then take the decision accordingly. If others bluff, you can call.

Evaluation is different from calculation buddy. You can't even see the cards of the others, its just guessing if they do have strong or weak cards

[fravia]

You do not need calculation in poker, its just knowing that you have a weak or good hands. Besides in online poker you have a time wether to call or fold. So, probably you do not have much time to calculate

You need to evaluate from the previous step in the game to see what cards others might have, then take the decision accordingly. If others bluff, you can call.

Evaluation is different from calculation buddy. You can't even see the cards of the others, its just guessing if they do have strong or weak cards

Umm.. Honestly, there are both, evaluation and calculation in poker. Not only u gotta evaluate the body language of ur enemies but u also have to calculate a bit, e.g. chances of getting that and that card (on the river).

[paka]

You do not need calculation in poker, its just knowing that you have a weak or good hands. Besides in online poker you have a time wether to call or fold. So, probably you do not have much time to calculate

You need to evaluate from the previous step in the game to see what cards others might have, then take the decision accordingly. If others bluff, you can call.

Evaluation is different from calculation buddy. You can't even see the cards of the others, its just guessing if they do have strong or weak cards

Umm.. Honestly, there are both, evaluation and calculation in poker. Not only u gotta evaluate the body language of ur enemies but u also have to calculate a bit, e.g. chances of getting that and that card (on the river).

Its getting of topic and seriously body language? you got to be psychic in order for you to look at your opponents in the computer 

[Aemon]

You do not need calculation in poker, its just knowing that you have a weak or good hands. Besides in online poker you have a time wether to call or fold. So, probably you do not have much time to calculate

You need to evaluate from the previous step in the game to see what cards others might have, then take the decision accordingly. If others bluff, you can call.

Evaluation is different from calculation buddy. You can't even see the cards of the others, its just guessing if they do have strong or weak cards

Umm.. Honestly, there are both, evaluation and calculation in poker. Not only u gotta evaluate the body language of ur enemies but u also have to calculate a bit, e.g. chances of getting that and that card (on the river).

Its getting of topic and seriously body language? you got to be psychic in order for you to look at your opponents in the computer 

We aren't talking about gambling on the computer.  We are talking about live events, poker online is not a very skilled game at all.

[FrueGreads]

So basically you are just rewording exactly what I wrote.  If I have a 50% chance of winning and I am invested 10BTC.  And the raise is .5BTC  You are damn right I am calling.  If you fold you are an idiot. 

You went the other way saying if you have 20% odds with 50% profit return, then you will stay.

In your example it seems that you are giving more attention to your winning chances. I was just trying to say that I don't care about the winning chances alone. They could just be 20% or 1%, if comparing the pot odds with the winning odds proves to be a profitable play in the long run I will take it, even if I will probably lose that hand, because the winning odds are low.

The problem with most players is that they only look to winning odds most of the time.

[StevenLiang]

You should have a good idea of what your odds are that you can win or not.  Now nothing is for sure in poker because anything can happen, but if you have say a 50% chance to win, and you have invested a lot of money in there it might be worth it to call depending on how much they raise.

For some reason your statement is good because we already bet a lot money on pot and we still have more than 50% odds for win. But in poker we really need to see the game play and the opponent.

Is that bluff or maybe they got flush or straight on 'turn' or 'river'.
In that case our 50% odds maybe just Two Pair or Threes.

[StevenLiang]

So basically you are just rewording exactly what I wrote.  If I have a 50% chance of winning and I am invested 10BTC.  And the raise is .5BTC  You are damn right I am calling.  If you fold you are an idiot. 

You went the other way saying if you have 20% odds with 50% profit return, then you will stay.

In your example it seems that you are giving more attention to your winning chances. I was just trying to say that I don't care about the winning chances alone. They could just be 20% or 1%, if comparing the pot odds with the winning odds proves to be a profitable play in the long run I will take it, even if I will probably lose that hand, because the winning odds are low.

The problem with most players is that they only look to winning odds most of the time.

Yes, a lot people play on that way, and just pro player who play well and see the game with 'Wide View'.

[BitOffer]

Things I should consider before I fold are call.
1. My chances of winning
2. The pot amount
3. My total chips
4. The opponent
If my odds of wining is above 50 percent, I would call.
If pot amount is already big and the amount I need to call is small I will call. Provided I have above 25% chances I will win.
If I have many chips and the amount I need to call is very small and I have chance to win I will call.
If the opponent is a confirm bluffer I will call If I feel I have better cards than him.

[apriyani420]

i usually play without thinking too much about the whole game what to do and how to play i just hope that i will be lucky and have better cards than opponents

[Eastwind]

i usually play without thinking too much about the whole game what to do and how to play i just hope that i will be lucky and have better cards than opponents

In doing that, you might win in a pure luck game such as dice. Brain power has to be used to win poker or blackjack game. The late two games are played against other players.

[Erza]

If the opponent is a confirm bluffer I will call If I feel I have better cards than him.

How are you going to confirm that your opponent is bluff or not? You are making some speculation right?

[klf]

i usually play without thinking too much about the whole game what to do and how to play i just hope that i will be lucky and have better cards than opponents

In doing that, you might win in a pure luck game such as dice. Brain power has to be used to win poker or blackjack game. The late two games are played against other players.

That's true in gambling every one thinks that they are very smart and they can fool others but at the end luck is very smart and luck will win all the bets. If your are lucky on a given day then surely you will win gambling otherwise you will sure lose even you go with full of calculations. No calculations will work in gambling just pure luck will win.

[FrueGreads]

If the opponent is a confirm bluffer I will call If I feel I have better cards than him.

How are you going to confirm that your opponent is bluff or not? You are making some speculation right?

Well you should be watching the way your opponents play and and study their betting pattern. If you play online and have a software like holdem manager, you life gets a lot easier. You should also study their range of hands, to see if they are loose players and play many hands or if they are tight.

You can't really tell if a player is bluffing or not, that is movie stuff in my opinion, but when you combine all the that data, betting pattern, style of play etc, you can use that to make better decisions. You will still be caught in a bluff of course, but your winning chances will improve, and you could also improve the correct timing/opportunity to make your own bluff against your opponent.

[Erza]

If the opponent is a confirm bluffer I will call If I feel I have better cards than him.

How are you going to confirm that your opponent is bluff or not? You are making some speculation right?

Well you should be watching the way your opponents play and and study their betting pattern. If you play online and have a software like holdem manager, you life gets a lot easier. You should also study their range of hands, to see if they are loose players and play many hands or if they are tight.

You can't really tell if a player is bluffing or not, that is movie stuff in my opinion, but when you combine all the that data, betting pattern, style of play etc, you can use that to make better decisions. You will still be caught in a bluff of course, but your winning chances will improve, and you could also improve the correct timing/opportunity to make your own bluff against your opponent.

But that is not always perfect, you will not get this if you miss a little thing here. And there is a lot of player there I dont think you will investigate every people by looking at their playing. And you will not have enough time to calculate everything just in short of time

[Aemon]

Bottom line is it is gambling still.  Even if you make all the right calculations before calling or folding there is always a chance you can end up losing everything

[fox19891989]

you need it if u wanna get profits in the long term, the winning probability is bigger than the percentage of your investment on pot, you should call, otherwise fold is better, sometimes we can call if our opponents are bluffers, easy to catch their bluffs and then make big money on them.

[AquaPanda]

its all about your gut feeling. 

[iv4n]

its all about your gut feeling. 

In many cases yes, but sometimes u need to play with your head. Observing players and cards, try to guess style of your opponents. There is patterns for everyone, good players hide it better u need to try more. I`m repeatin myself often but u need to find your own style, and its best to mix things, cause when u are predictable u are easy catch for someone. When u are not u have advantage and u just need to use it smart. Good luck in poker, sure u will need it.

[victoryboy]

This is part of poker to take in your calculation all the possibilities before fold or call and that I do.Poker can not go just on pure luck base because this can make you one or two hands but you can not keep going just blindly.Taking in consideration all aspect make you minimum loss in case you don't have good cards.

[SyGambler]

Bottom line is it is gambling still.  Even if you make all the right calculations before calling or folding there is always a chance you can end up losing everything

when you are doing the right calculation there is no chance that you will end up losing everything , these calculations involve bankroll management , a successful poker player will never end up losing everything cause he should know his limits and the possibility of hitting a big swing
poker is so complicated games , we can't simply consider it as a gambling game without giving details about it
if you are a good player you will never face a losing year , for me I have never had a losing month even after hitting a big swing I recover and make proift at the end of the month , and so many players are facing the same thing  

[xuan87]

em.. not really usually i just go based on my feeling

but if the opponent raise the bet, i usually do some calculation to guess the cards

but eventhough i used calculation the last decision also based on my feeling

[enhu]

em.. not really usually i just go based on my feeling

but if the opponent raise the bet, i usually do some calculation to guess the cards

but eventhough i used calculation the last decision also based on my feeling

I use to trust my instinct too until I lost all my chips, it could work for you though.  Playing online is very much different than the real on but but how often do you win for a number of hero calls?

[sakira]

I did everything in accordance with the feeling, if the good feeling I will be all in, but if in doubt I fold.

[Rubberduckie]

I always know how pot commited I am or how pot commited I will
be if I make a big call. Math is super important, you cant call $50
chasing $10 with only a 15% chance to hit a flush...

[yoona]

I just wanted to learn the factors you consider when you are about to decide to Call or Fold.  
Maybe calculating how much you win or lose before deciding, which information do you look from the All-in player?
VP, PFR, STIL, CB and etc..

i think there is two kind of gambler,one of they play with feeling and they ar not have count what they play,and another people play with so many count,like you mentioned above,VP,PFR,STIL and etc. but i'm always use my feeling