10,000 stolen guns found in South Carolina

[danel]

I am just curious how one steals 10 thousand guns and doesn't sell any what was the point?

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[Spendulus]

This guy has to be very well known in the criminal community, as someone who will buy or trade stolen guns and other items, for cash, or more likely, for drugs...I wouldn't doubt they will discover many weapons were stolen from other states as well...It's guys like this that fuel burglaries, the illegal gun trade, killings, and addicts... It's just how it works in that world

You mean, sort of like our BATF in their Fast and Furious scandal, where they were selling assault rifles to Mexican gangs?  (Which are still killing people, incidentally)

Wait, this guy never sold anyone a weapon....

[galdur]

Wednesday morning feel good stories

First up this morning is Phoenix, Arizona where an armed private security guard interrupted a robbery in an auto-parts store. The thief un-assed the AO to his getaway car, but, he couldn’t leave well-enough alone. He pointed his firearm at the guard, but the guard was faster on the draw and made the thief DRT (dead right there).

In Orlando Florida, Tyrell Owens was toting his case of beer home when, outside his apartment he was confronted by an armed thief, Wilmar Jolteus, who demanded his beer. Owens wouldn’t give it up and Jolteus fired his weapon at Owens. Lucky for Owens, he had his own firearm and a permit to carry it concealed and he was able to dive for cover and return fire, striking Jolteus who un-assed the AO and, after a couple of trips and falls, jumped in his partner’s car. His partner dropped Jolteus at the hospital where he was arrested with wounds to his leg and buttocks. Orlando PD praised Owens for his quick thinking.

In Union County, South Carolina, Ralph Rice was awakened by a knock at his door. On his porch was four men, one of whom suffered from a gunshot. They asked Ralph for help for their wounded buddy. Then they dumped the injured man in a chair on Ralph’s porch and thanked him for calling the ambulance before they un-assed the AO. Apparently the man was shot in an exchange of gunfire with a homeowner in Winnsboro, South Carolina. I can’t find the article of the home invasion (there’s no accounting for local news directors’ preferences for news). So here’s the story of Ralph instead.

In Manchester, New Hampshire, Dawn Kahwaja a clerk at the local convenience store was confronted by a thief with a 3″ knife. She did a Crocodile Dundee and pulled out her own pig sticker which frightened off the criminal. “Now, that’s a noif!” Dawn’s advice to the criminal is “get a job!”

DocV sends us a link from Chicago, Illinois where former member of the UK’s Royal Air Force, and current student in Minneapolis, Neil McCarthy was with his girlfriend in the Windy City when they were confronted by three thugs who demanded their stuff. McCarthy handed it over, but they began accosting his girlfriend so he took their knife away after suffering a shoulder wound. then he chased after one of them who was cuffed and stuffed by the local PD.

http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=62502

[galdur]

Yeah, that´s a knife. Nice job Dawn.

http://www.wwmt.com/news/features/national/stories/-Armed-robber-laughed-out-of-convenience-store-224364.shtml#.VjFJZLfhDUI

[frank26]

There are thousands of weapon found in South Carolina.It started with a tip to authorities and ended with a raid at a South Carolina home, where investigators found thousands of weapons stashed inside.Now 51-year-old Brent Nicholson is behind bars on charges of possession of stolen property.The raid began Friday and continued over the weekend.

[galdur]

Man walks into jail, admits murder, gets turned away

11:27 a.m. EDT October 29, 2015

(NEWSER) — One cannot simply walk into the Santa Clara County jail, apparently.

Hugo Ernesto Castro tried to surrender at the facility in San Jose on Monday, but he was told to go elsewhere even after he had confessed to stabbing his ex-girlfriend and handed over a note revealing where her body was, reports the San Jose Mercury News. A deputy at the prison told the 28-year-old that he was in the wrong place and instructed him to walk two blocks to police headquarters, which he obligingly did. Police found the body of Castro's former girlfriend at the address he gave, and he was arrested, reports the San Francisco Chronicle.

The sheriff's office is trying to find out why the deputy didn't follow standard procedure and detain Castro or at least escort him to the police station.

"Once they leave, who knows what's going to happen next," a retired San Francisco police captain tells the Mercury News. "Maybe they go the two blocks and turn themselves in. Or maybe they have second thoughts, or go home and destroy evidence."

The deputy has been reassigned, the Mercury News reports, and Castro is now being held at the jail he went to in the first place.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/10/29/man-walks-into-jail-admits-murder-gets-turned-away/74798964/

[Avarosan]

Well what else are you gonna do with a bunch of guns? You either are going to use them or re-sell them for a good price

[galdur]

A lesson on what not to do comes out of East Mill Creek, Utah where 34-year-old Jesse L. Bruner tried to break into a home owned by 47-year-old Russell Reed Jacobs. Bruner was armed with a shotgun and Jacobs had his own firearm. Jacobs convinced Bruner to turn tail and run, but then Jacobs and his son chased his for a few blocks when Bruner turned and fired at Jacobs. Jacobs returned fire and both the criminal and the victim died right there. There was no rational reason for the homeowner to chase after the criminal – that’s what the police get paid to do with their body armor and everything....

[RodeoX]

A lesson on what not to do comes out of East Mill Creek, Utah where 34-year-old Jesse L. Bruner tried to break into a home owned by 47-year-old Russell Reed Jacobs. Bruner was armed with a shotgun and Jacobs had his own firearm. Jacobs convinced Bruner to turn tail and run, but then Jacobs and his son chased his for a few blocks when Bruner turned and fired at Jacobs. Jacobs returned fire and both the criminal and the victim died right there. There was no rational reason for the homeowner to chase after the criminal – that’s what the police get paid to do with their body armor and everything....

Mr. Jacobs may be lucky he got shot instead of life in jail. Chasing a robber and shooting him is murder. You can "stand your ground" in most states, but you can't go after a fleeing attacker. As you point out, that is a job for the cops.

[TheButterZone]

A lesson on what not to do comes out of East Mill Creek, Utah where 34-year-old Jesse L. Bruner tried to break into a home owned by 47-year-old Russell Reed Jacobs. Bruner was armed with a shotgun and Jacobs had his own firearm. Jacobs convinced Bruner to turn tail and run, but then Jacobs and his son chased his for a few blocks when Bruner turned and fired at Jacobs. Jacobs returned fire and both the criminal and the victim died right there. There was no rational reason for the homeowner to chase after the criminal – that’s what the police get paid to do with their body armor and everything....

Mr. Jacobs may be lucky he got shot instead of life in jail. Chasing a robber and shooting him is murder. You can "stand your ground" in most states, but you can't go after a fleeing attacker. As you point out, that is a job for the cops.

We conclude that such force may not be used unless it is necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.

If it's not justified for a civilian to shoot a clearly armed fleeing felon under the same fundamental circumstances as LEOs specified in the ruling above, then fuck equal protection. Non-suicidal criminals drop their weapons and run.

[galdur]

It makes no sense to chase the guy. Well, unless it´s a desperate emergency like he´s leaving with your 2 yo daughter under his arm, something like that.

You don´t leave the fort after you´ve secured it. He could have accomplishes that you´re not aware of that´ll invade after you´ve been diverted away. Stay safe.

[RodeoX]

A lesson on what not to do comes out of East Mill Creek, Utah where 34-year-old Jesse L. Bruner tried to break into a home owned by 47-year-old Russell Reed Jacobs. Bruner was armed with a shotgun and Jacobs had his own firearm. Jacobs convinced Bruner to turn tail and run, but then Jacobs and his son chased his for a few blocks when Bruner turned and fired at Jacobs. Jacobs returned fire and both the criminal and the victim died right there. There was no rational reason for the homeowner to chase after the criminal – that’s what the police get paid to do with their body armor and everything....

Mr. Jacobs may be lucky he got shot instead of life in jail. Chasing a robber and shooting him is murder. You can "stand your ground" in most states, but you can't go after a fleeing attacker. As you point out, that is a job for the cops.

We conclude that such force may not be used unless it is necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.

If it's not justified for a civilian to shoot a clearly armed fleeing felon under the same fundamental circumstances as LEOs specified in the ruling above, then fuck equal protection. Non-suicidal criminals drop their weapons and run.

This is one of the different standards between a licensed concealed carrier and a cop. A cop is expected to go looking for trouble and chase down criminals. A CC licenses only allows you to protect yourself or someone in your "immediate presence".  You can't chase them, and in states without the castle doctrine (a.k.a. -stand your ground law) you MUST run away. Even if the attacker is in your home, you have to flee. If you stay and fight you might spend the rest of your life in jail.
This is why the castle doctrine is so important.

It makes no sense to chase the guy. Well, unless it´s a desperate emergency like he´s leaving with your 2 yo daughter under his arm, something like that.

You don´t leave the fort after you´ve secured it. He could have accomplishes that you´re not aware of that´ll invade after you´ve been diverted away. Stay safe.

The two year old kidnapping may work as a defense. You could protect her if it is reasonable to think her life is in danger. A strange abduction is likely to meet that bar. If instead it was a rape then you have no right to shoot. This seems to surprise a lot of people, but rape is not necessarily life threatening. If a woman shoots some guy who is trying to rape her then she is a murderer.  You can use deadly force to protect your life, not your chastity.

[TheButterZone]

That's one of the most repugnant things I've ever read. Cite all your assertions to the contrary of actual justifiable homicide determinations or perish.

[galdur]

The first time Russell Jacobs knew Jesse Lyle Bruner was carrying a sawed-off shotgun was when the man turned to face him and pulled the trigger, police said Friday.

Bruner, 34, and "Rusty" Jacobs, 47, both died after shooting each other at very close range about 2 a.m. Thursday near 3700 South and 3100 East.

The lethal events began when Bruner tried to kick in Jacobs' front door. Unified Police Lt. Lex Bell said investigators believe Jacobs' house was chosen for an unknown reason, completely at random.

"It could have been any house on that street," Bell said.

Jacobs, a father of four, was in the house asleep, with his wife and an 18-year-old son. The three were the only ones home at the time, police said.

"Mr. Jacobs armed himself with a .45 and a flashlight and ran to the front door to see who was trying to break in. When the pounding on the door stopped, Mr. Jacobs, his wife and his 18-year-old son went outside to see if it was a prank but found no one in their yard. When they returned to their front door, they noticed shoe prints on the door where someone had tried to kick it in," Bell said.

Jacobs' wife called 911 to report the incident.

Jacobs then went back into his house, got dressed and got his .357 handgun, "because he trusted the .357 more, and he was concerned there might be a threat to his family and not a prank. Once dressed, Mr. Jacobs opened the front door to look around the yard again with the flashlight in his hand," Bell said.

After several minutes of searching his yard, Bruner appeared and started walking toward Jacobs "feigning an injury to his leg and asking to come inside," the lieutenant said.

Investigators speculated Friday that Bruner was holding his single-shot, sawed-off shotgun, which measured just under 2 feet, to his side and was pretending he had an injured leg to conceal it.

Believing he was the man who just attempted to kick in his door, Jacobs confronted Bruner to protect his family, according to Bell.

Recently, leaders in Jacobs' LDS ward had warned neighbors about burglaries in the area, Bell said. They believed that two homeless men, one of them being Bruner, were responsible. As of Friday, Unified police could not confirm whether Bruner was responsible for any recent car or home burglaries in the area.

Jacobs was "concerned for the rest of the neighborhood," the lieutenant said. "Mr. Jacobs followed Mr. Bruner as he walked north in the street, pointing a flashlight at him."

About four houses down the block, Jacobs said something to Bruner to the effect that he knew who he was, according to Bell. Bruner responded by saying something similar to, "So what if I am?"

Just as he said that, Bell said, Bruner fired his shotgun.

"The blast hit Mr. Jacobs’ outstretched left hand and flashlight first and then went into his chest. Mr. Jacobs then returned fire, shooting four shots at Mr. Bruner. Mr. Bruner was hit once through his arm and into his chest. Two shots went through his clothing in the stomach area but did not hit his body, and the fourth shot missed entirely," he said.

Jacobs' son, who had followed his father into the street, witnessed both shootings.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865640282/Homeowner-was-unaware-intruder-had-gun-until-shots-were-fired-police-say.html

[galdur]

Toledo (13abc Action News) - Police release the 911 call of a gun owner who shot an armed robber.

Caller: I turned around and he said don't move don't move. I saw something in his hand, but I didn't give him a chance to try and shoot me first.

The victim 21-year old Terrance Reid says he came home from work and that's when Antonio Hadley tried to rob him. Instead Hadley got the shock of his life. Reid is a licensed gun owner. He shot the suspect one time.

Dispatcher: you said you shot at him?
Caller: Yeah.
Dispatcher: But you don't know if he's shot?
Caller: I think I hit him. I heard him say aw.

Police say the suspect later went to a local hospital for treatment for a gunshot wound to the stomach. Everyday Toledo police investigate robberies and break-ins. The victim's mother told 13abc her son bought a gun and got a permit this year after two break-ins on their street. Once Reid shot the man he immediately called 9-1-1.
The suspect is charged with robbery.

http://www.13abc.com/home/headlines/911--338483832.html

[Spendulus]

Toledo (13abc Action News) - Police release the 911 call of a gun owner who shot an armed robber.

Caller: I turned around and he said don't move don't move. I saw something in his hand, but I didn't give him a chance to try and shoot me first.

The victim 21-year old Terrance Reid says he came home from work and that's when Antonio Hadley tried to rob him. Instead Hadley got the shock of his life. Reid is a licensed gun owner. He shot the suspect one time.

Dispatcher: you said you shot at him?
Caller: Yeah.
Dispatcher: But you don't know if he's shot?
Caller: I think I hit him. I heard him say aw.

Police say the suspect later went to a local hospital for treatment for a gunshot wound to the stomach. Everyday Toledo police investigate robberies and break-ins. The victim's mother told 13abc her son bought a gun and got a permit this year after two break-ins on their street. Once Reid shot the man he immediately called 9-1-1.
The suspect is charged with robbery.

http://www.13abc.com/home/headlines/911--338483832.html

Wait...you mean the homeowner hurt a poor, defenseless, innocent robber?

And he said "awww!"?

That's sooo mean.

What's a robber to do these days?

[galdur]

Police: Fleeing bank robber threatens man with spatula

5:16 p.m. EDT October 30, 2015

Police arrested a 33-year-old Broward County man after they say he robbed a Wells Fargo and broke into a home armed with a spatula.

Brandon Stepherson, of Hollywood, was arrested on an unarmed robbery charge by the Fort Myers Police Department and armed home invasion count by the Lee County Sheriff's Office.

Stepherson was nabbed by K-9 units outside the house where the home invasion occurred 24 minutes after authorities say he robbed the Wells Fargo at 9250 Ben C. Pratt/Six Mile Cypress Parkway about 5:40 p.m. Wednesday

A man at the home told investigators that went inside the Old Hickory Boulevard house after smoking on the back porch when he found Stepherson standing in his kitchen, according to a sheriff's office arrest report.

He said that Stepherson demanded the keys to the car parked out front, but the man said he didn't have the keys.

Stepherson started pulling keys off the hook on the wall before he "armed himself with a plastic spatula and used a set of keys as a weapon (between his knuckles,)" the report said.

Stepherson then said to the man: "I don't want to hurt you, give me the keys to the car," the report said.

The men started yelling at each other and Stepherson tackled him to the ground. Another man in the house joined in on the fight and Stepherson ran out of the home, one of the men flagged down an officer, who arrested Stepherson.

Between the charges from the two different agencies, Stepherson is being held on a total of $350,000 bond.

The Florida Highway Patrol and FBI helped with the investigation.

http://www.news-press.com/story/news/crime/2015/10/30/wells-fargo-bank-robbed-fort-myers-police-detain-person/74770068/

[galdur]

Police: Customer with concealed carry license kills robber at corner store

A robbery was thwarted at a Southwest Side corner store Saturday night when a patron with a concealed carry license shot and killed an armed robber, authorities said.

Citing preliminary information, police said a man walked into a store in the 2700 block of West 51st Street in the Gage Park neighborhood around 7 p.m., announced a robbery to an employee working behind the counter and displayed a handgun.

Another employee came from the back of the store and the gunman pointed his weapon at her, police said. He then made her go to the back of the store, which also serves as a currency exchange.

After that, a customer who was also inside the business pulled out a gun and opened fire at the robber, killing him, police said. The robber was believed to be in his 40s, police said.

Police said the shooter has a valid concealed carry license and a valid firearm owner's identification card.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-1-dead-in-shooting-at-gage-park-business-20151031-story.html

[isvicre]

I am just curious how one steals 10 thousand guns and doesn't sell any what was the point?

Maybe this guy had gun fetish? I mean world is huge and there are lots of weird people everywhere.
He might have been using it at home for basically as a hobby.

[galdur]

Among one of the largest gun seizures in the Carolinas, investigators are finding oddities in the mountain of stuff taken from a Pageland man that range from an 1873 Springfield “trapdoor” rifle – the kind that George Custer’s troops used ineffectively at Little Bighorn – to a taxidermied alligator.

And then they had to tackle two more tractor-trailers stuffed top to bottom, front to back with hundreds of chainsaws, tools and tool boxes, fishing gear, hunting bows and taxidermied elk, deer, beavers, ducks, boars, turkeys and squirrels.

They are among the things that authorities believe Nicholson either stole or bought from people who had done the stealing. Most of it he piled in his brick house, steel storage building and the family liquor store in Pageland, about 16 miles south of Monroe, just over the South Carolina border, said Chesterfield County Sheriff Jay Brooks.

Estimates of how many guns have swung wildly from 4,000 to 10,000, but Brooks now figures it’s more like 5,000 to 6,000 – most are shotguns and hunting rifles. They also retrieved eight pallets of ammunition.

Authorities estimate the total value of the stash at more than $500,000.

“We think that 99 percent of these guns were brought to Mr. Nicholson to sell to him. He’d give you 40 to 100 bucks for it and take it and throw it into a pile of 200 more,” said Brooks, taking a break from the sorting out that will use up “a good chunk” of his office’s $3.2 million annual budget.

Nicholson, 51, who helped his father in the Pageland liquor store, had been charged before with receiving stolen property, along with other charges that include assault and battery, threatening people and ill treatment of animals, records show. Most of the charges were dismissed or weren’t prosecuted.

“I’m not sure why Brent thought he needed this many guns, why he wanted this many guns,” Brooks said. “He just seemed to be more of a hoarder. He hunted a little bit, but you can only use one gun at a time.”

“We believe this seizure in Pageland is historic,” Brooks said.

Days later, it was still the talk of Pageland, a town of 2,800 best known for its annual Watermelon Festival.

“Everybody’s talking about it,” said Mary Ann Nicholson, no relation to Brent. “But if anybody knew about it – about all those guns – nobody’s telling.”

Brent Nicholson and his family are well-known. But those who spoke about Brent declined to give their names.

One woman said Brent is “a likeable man” who was known to collect guns and avidly hunt. “But I didn’t know it was that many guns,” she said. “I don’t think anybody knew.”

She said he was also known to “help people who needed money to pay rent or bills. He’d tell them to bring him something of value – sort of a collateral – and when they paid him back, they’d get their property back.”

No one seems to think Nicholson used the guns, or even sold them. Some of the rifle barrels were rusting.

“You never know a person’s intentions, but if you’d seen the way those guns were all piled up and disorganized, it seems unlikely he had plans to use them,” said Chesterfield Sheriff’s Capt. Daniel Scott. ....more

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article41865006.html#storylink=cpy