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January 13, 2022, 11:03:33 AM
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The Lakers losing to the Kings is shameful...  I'm on board with Frank Vogel (one of my favorite coaches) being fired at the all star break.  It's clear his system is not working and he's horrible at managing his talent.  Another great outing by Dwight Howard in extremely limited minutes...  He made all 3 of his shots, was sent to the line 4 times, and grabbed 7 rebounds in under 15 minutes along with having a +/- of +9 in the loss.  It's crazy he's not getting ~30 minutes a night the way he's been playing.  Vogel has got to go.  The talent is there.  If they aren't going to trade Westbrook and AD immediately, they need to dump Vogel.

I thought that the Lakers are going to win this one against the Kings, I mean they should so I would agree that it's a shameful that after a 5 winning streak, they are back in the losing end again. Hard to really pinpoint what is the issue but it could be the Vogel is no longer the coach that is suited for the Lakers because of so many superstars and he don't know who and how to rotate them and still presses with the old process of going with Westbrook when he is committing a lot of TO.

I think folks should just accept that Lakers are not winning the Championship this season. What the lakers should be doing is playing awesome defense and slowing the game down so they can win in the half court. Lebron's offense for another day is elite and his defense for another day is very bad. And you can't blame him of course, he is playing the right way because he can't give you his energy for defense and then can't be elite offenser. Defense takes away a lot from you, much more from anything in the floor. That's why the bests scorer's aren't good in defense.

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January 13, 2022, 11:11:32 AM
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The Lakers losing to the Kings is shameful...  I'm on board with Frank Vogel (one of my favorite coaches) being fired at the all star break.  It's clear his system is not working and he's horrible at managing his talent.  Another great outing by Dwight Howard in extremely limited minutes...  He made all 3 of his shots, was sent to the line 4 times, and grabbed 7 rebounds in under 15 minutes along with having a +/- of +9 in the loss.  It's crazy he's not getting ~30 minutes a night the way he's been playing.  Vogel has got to go.  The talent is there.  If they aren't going to trade Westbrook and AD immediately, they need to dump Vogel.

I thought that the Lakers are going to win this one against the Kings, I mean they should so I would agree that it's a shameful that after a 5 winning streak, they are back in the losing end again. Hard to really pinpoint what is the issue but it could be the Vogel is no longer the coach that is suited for the Lakers because of so many superstars and he don't know who and how to rotate them and still presses with the old process of going with Westbrook when he is committing a lot of TO.

I think folks should just accept that Lakers are not winning the Championship this season. What the lakers should be doing is playing awesome defense and slowing the game down so they can win in the half court. Lebron's offense for another day is elite and his defense for another day is very bad. And you can't blame him of course, he is playing the right way because he can't give you his energy for defense and then can't be elite offenser. Defense takes away a lot from you, much more from anything in the floor. That's why the bests scorer's aren't good in defense.

They are not getting any younger, if they will not win a championship this season then let's expect that we will not anymore see the same line up next season, and I have a feeling that Westbrook will be traded because he was ineffective with the Lakers uniform.

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January 13, 2022, 11:33:44 AM
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The Lakers losing to the Kings is shameful...  I'm on board with Frank Vogel (one of my favorite coaches) being fired at the all star break.  It's clear his system is not working and he's horrible at managing his talent.  Another great outing by Dwight Howard in extremely limited minutes...  He made all 3 of his shots, was sent to the line 4 times, and grabbed 7 rebounds in under 15 minutes along with having a +/- of +9 in the loss.  It's crazy he's not getting ~30 minutes a night the way he's been playing.  Vogel has got to go.  The talent is there.  If they aren't going to trade Westbrook and AD immediately, they need to dump Vogel.

I thought that the Lakers are going to win this one against the Kings, I mean they should so I would agree that it's a shameful that after a 5 winning streak, they are back in the losing end again. Hard to really pinpoint what is the issue but it could be the Vogel is no longer the coach that is suited for the Lakers because of so many superstars and he don't know who and how to rotate them and still presses with the old process of going with Westbrook when he is committing a lot of TO.

I think folks should just accept that Lakers are not winning the Championship this season. What the lakers should be doing is playing awesome defense and slowing the game down so they can win in the half court. Lebron's offense for another day is elite and his defense for another day is very bad. And you can't blame him of course, he is playing the right way because he can't give you his energy for defense and then can't be elite offenser. Defense takes away a lot from you, much more from anything in the floor. That's why the bests scorer's aren't good in defense.

They are not getting any younger, if they will not win a championship this season then let's expect that we will not anymore see the same line up next season, and I have a feeling that Westbrook will be traded because he was ineffective with the Lakers uniform.

Agree, they are hyped this season, and then it will only result in disappointment, the management would not love that, they may retain Lebron and AD but Westbrook just like last season will be traded again. The Lakers are doing good in their last 10 games but the fans are just hard to please since we are expecting too much from them so now we are disappointed.

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January 13, 2022, 11:44:16 AM
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I think folks should just accept that Lakers are not winning the Championship this season. What the lakers should be doing is playing awesome defense and slowing the game down so they can win in the half court. Lebron's offense for another day is elite and his defense for another day is very bad. And you can't blame him of course, he is playing the right way because he can't give you his energy for defense and then can't be elite offenser. Defense takes away a lot from you, much more from anything in the floor. That's why the bests scorer's aren't good in defense.
Unless...
Trade season is still open, they can change their roster if they like. I believe Austin Reaves is their real future and I won't exchange this guy for anyone.
Just witnessing how he hustled for two consecutive games makes me wonder why they are not giving him more minutes. Let him be a starter, let the phase run thru him with speed and to drag everyone in that Lakers team in his defensive aggressiveness. He is like Covid, contagious. He can easily make the team and the fans go wild with all his hustle plays.
Him and Dwight Howard combined makes a strong defensive line.
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January 13, 2022, 12:07:23 PM
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I think folks should just accept that Lakers are not winning the Championship this season. What the lakers should be doing is playing awesome defense and slowing the game down so they can win in the half court. Lebron's offense for another day is elite and his defense for another day is very bad. And you can't blame him of course, he is playing the right way because he can't give you his energy for defense and then can't be elite offenser. Defense takes away a lot from you, much more from anything in the floor. That's why the bests scorer's aren't good in defense.
Unless...
Trade season is still open, they can change their roster if they like. I believe Austin Reaves is their real future and I won't exchange this guy for anyone.
Just witnessing how he hustled for two consecutive games makes me wonder why they are not giving him more minutes. Let him be a starter, let the phase run thru him with speed and to drag everyone in that Lakers team in his defensive aggressiveness. He is like Covid, contagious. He can easily make the team and the fans go wild with all his hustle plays.
Him and Dwight Howard combined makes a strong defensive line.

It's because there are really a lot of good players in their roster that it's hard to put a rotation.

Dwight Howard is a good example, he has been playing awesome basketball, points, rebounds, block shots, but he is not be given enough time to play. At least bring him to like 30 minutes per game, I think that is good enough for his body at his age. Maybe it was really the coach who is the problem in the Lakers and not the players itself.

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January 13, 2022, 12:34:32 PM
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I think folks should just accept that Lakers are not winning the Championship this season. What the lakers should be doing is playing awesome defense and slowing the game down so they can win in the half court. Lebron's offense for another day is elite and his defense for another day is very bad. And you can't blame him of course, he is playing the right way because he can't give you his energy for defense and then can't be elite offenser. Defense takes away a lot from you, much more from anything in the floor. That's why the bests scorer's aren't good in defense.
Unless...
Trade season is still open, they can change their roster if they like. I believe Austin Reaves is their real future and I won't exchange this guy for anyone.
Just witnessing how he hustled for two consecutive games makes me wonder why they are not giving him more minutes. Let him be a starter, let the phase run thru him with speed and to drag everyone in that Lakers team in his defensive aggressiveness. He is like Covid, contagious. He can easily make the team and the fans go wild with all his hustle plays.
Him and Dwight Howard combined makes a strong defensive line.

It's because there are really a lot of good players in their roster that it's hard to put a rotation.

Dwight Howard is a good example, he has been playing awesome basketball, points, rebounds, block shots, but he is not be given enough time to play. At least bring him to like 30 minutes per game, I think that is good enough for his body at his age. Maybe it was really the coach who is the problem in the Lakers and not the players itself.

If the coach is the problem then he could have been fired already. The management respects him as he brought a championship with the Lakers, so I think he will be given a chance to prove himself and if the Lakers will not succeed, they might trade or acquire other players but the coach will remain unless Lebron will influence the management to fire the coach.

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January 13, 2022, 01:53:59 PM
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This is one hell of a game with the Bulls vs the Nets. This is the latest I can remember a Bulls game starting (9PM local time). The Bulls are playing good basketball but every time they manage to get within two or tie it up the Nets come right back. This trio of Harden, Durant and Kyrie is just ridiculously good. The Bulls seem to keep leaving Durant open. They are having a hard time guarding this big 3, often doubling on one of them then it opens another up. Let’s go bulls!

Unfortunately mate, as much as we want the Bulls to win, maybe because we have a bet on them, the Nets are running with a huge lead now as they really pour everything in the 3rd and going into the 4th quarter.

The Nets has one surprised and it was not Kyrie but Day'Ron Sharpe who scored 18 points so far.

Kyrie is not even in double digit in scoring but it looks like he is going to make it as he has 9 points already.

I decided not to put any bets on this game as I figured it would be emotional enough for this Bulls fan as it was already what had the feeling of a playoff game. Unfortunately this game didn’t do much more than show us that if you don’t have a mega star, it’s next to impossible to win a championship. I still have a lot of faith in the bulls future, but we need to go sign a mega star, someone like Damien Lillard perhaps (though I did recently read that it’s possible that guy is going to have season ending surgery, though I hope not! ).

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January 13, 2022, 01:57:18 PM
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I think folks should just accept that Lakers are not winning the Championship this season. What the lakers should be doing is playing awesome defense and slowing the game down so they can win in the half court. Lebron's offense for another day is elite and his defense for another day is very bad. And you can't blame him of course, he is playing the right way because he can't give you his energy for defense and then can't be elite offenser. Defense takes away a lot from you, much more from anything in the floor. That's why the bests scorer's aren't good in defense.
Unless...
Trade season is still open, they can change their roster if they like. I believe Austin Reaves is their real future and I won't exchange this guy for anyone.
Just witnessing how he hustled for two consecutive games makes me wonder why they are not giving him more minutes. Let him be a starter, let the phase run thru him with speed and to drag everyone in that Lakers team in his defensive aggressiveness. He is like Covid, contagious. He can easily make the team and the fans go wild with all his hustle plays.
Him and Dwight Howard combined makes a strong defensive line.

It's because there are really a lot of good players in their roster that it's hard to put a rotation.

Dwight Howard is a good example, he has been playing awesome basketball, points, rebounds, block shots, but he is not be given enough time to play. At least bring him to like 30 minutes per game, I think that is good enough for his body at his age. Maybe it was really the coach who is the problem in the Lakers and not the players itself.

If the coach is the problem then he could have been fired already. The management respects him as he brought a championship with the Lakers, so I think he will be given a chance to prove himself and if the Lakers will not succeed, they might trade or acquire other players but the coach will remain unless Lebron will influence the management to fire the coach.

But we all know that sooner or later if the coach can't bring the old glory then he could be fire. Of course we don't want that to happen to Vogel, but maybe the management is really thinking very hard on what to do next specially after the all star break because it is going to be critical for the Lakers to even make the playoffs.

So we will see, I'm sure Lakers fans are also undecided as to who is really to blame to their season this year as in paper they look to be championship level in the beginning.

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January 13, 2022, 02:04:56 PM
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So we will see, I'm sure Lakers fans are also undecided as to who is really to blame to their season this year as in paper they look to be championship level in the beginning.

I'm not a Lakers fan but I know who to blame. lol.. I think it's because of Westbrook, before he was traded to the Lakers, that team was a championship team, but then when he finally gets in, the hype was high but the expectation vs reality did not sync.
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The Lakers losing to the Kings is shameful...  I'm on board with Frank Vogel (one of my favorite coaches) being fired at the all star break.  It's clear his system is not working and he's horrible at managing his talent.  Another great outing by Dwight Howard in extremely limited minutes...  He made all 3 of his shots, was sent to the line 4 times, and grabbed 7 rebounds in under 15 minutes along with having a +/- of +9 in the loss.  It's crazy he's not getting ~30 minutes a night the way he's been playing.  Vogel has got to go.  The talent is there.  If they aren't going to trade Westbrook and AD immediately, they need to dump Vogel.
They are bringing that to the table on the early days of the season and not that a shocking thing I guess. Looks like that would be the possible scenario Lakers might get, they really need a shift for Vogel. I don't know if that's the best decision to dump Vogel or trade AD/WB for the Lakers but they do need to act and see if what will change.

Lakers really have the talent but they are not able to show that as a team. They have incredibly talented individual players like Lebron, WB, Howard. But as a team- they are still not playing up to the level the fans expected them to.

Lebron is as always solo-carrying the team. Even in this match he scored a whopping 35 points and gave 6 assists and took 7 rebounds. The guy is a powerhouse in both offense and defense.

Maybe Howard should be given more minutes in my opinion he at least deserves 25 minutes a game. If you look at the stats of the Kings, they played really well as a team and their rotations were also really good.
Maybe we as fans expecting too much to 30+ guys who are mostly not in their primes, though it may sound subjective but that's just my opinion. Most of the star athletes on the team are 30+ already and I think that's the reason? Maybe the chemistry thing again.

No doubt on LBJ, he can do that but they should act as a team and win as a team too. It feels like he's not stopping and just getting hungry for more but if the performance as a team doesn't meet, that's not really fine at all.
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The Lakers losing to the Kings is shameful...  I'm on board with Frank Vogel (one of my favorite coaches) being fired at the all star break.  It's clear his system is not working and he's horrible at managing his talent.  Another great outing by Dwight Howard in extremely limited minutes...  He made all 3 of his shots, was sent to the line 4 times, and grabbed 7 rebounds in under 15 minutes along with having a +/- of +9 in the loss.  It's crazy he's not getting ~30 minutes a night the way he's been playing.  Vogel has got to go.  The talent is there.  If they aren't going to trade Westbrook and AD immediately, they need to dump Vogel.

I thought that the Lakers are going to win this one against the Kings, I mean they should so I would agree that it's a shameful that after a 5 winning streak, they are back in the losing end again. Hard to really pinpoint what is the issue but it could be the Vogel is no longer the coach that is suited for the Lakers because of so many superstars and he don't know who and how to rotate them and still presses with the old process of going with Westbrook when he is committing a lot of TO.

I think folks should just accept that Lakers are not winning the Championship this season. What the lakers should be doing is playing awesome defense and slowing the game down so they can win in the half court. Lebron's offense for another day is elite and his defense for another day is very bad. And you can't blame him of course, he is playing the right way because he can't give you his energy for defense and then can't be elite offenser. Defense takes away a lot from you, much more from anything in the floor. That's why the bests scorer's aren't good in defense.

They are not getting any younger, if they will not win a championship this season then let's expect that we will not anymore see the same line up next season, and I have a feeling that Westbrook will be traded because he was ineffective with the Lakers uniform.

Agree, they are hyped this season, and then it will only result in disappointment, the management would not love that, they may retain Lebron and AD but Westbrook just like last season will be traded again. The Lakers are doing good in their last 10 games but the fans are just hard to please since we are expecting too much from them so now we are disappointed.

I'm with you there mate, I also believe that Westbrook will just end up being traded again or Carmelo Anthony, I mean, we have no doubts about their talent because we already knew about their capabilities. It's just Westbrook isn't accustomed for not being in the spotlight and only supports LBJ who leads and carry the team.
We can't blame the fans for being disappointed because including me, I expected a different gameplay from the Lakers who had lots of star players.

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January 13, 2022, 03:18:12 PM
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The Lakers loss today is actually heartbreaking since the star players are doing great but they aren't getting enough minutes they should have been given enough time until they are exhausted to play.

A nice game to watch was the Nets vs Bull and the Nets won the game by blowing them out by 26, 138-112.

James Harden: 25 PTS
Kevin Durant: 27 PTS
Kyrie Irving: 9 PTS

The Big three was doing great because they are winning games despite of their new rotation since Irving came back.
It's the two rookies that played the starting core with the big three that made the real difference. Day'Ron Sharpe and Kessler Edwards.
They did well at both ends of the floor, especially Sharpe who dominated under the rim even if he only played 22 minutes. None of them are wasted, all of those minutes are used perfectly.
Then, there's Derrick Jones Jr. who was injured at the first minute of the game by rolling his ankle. Wish him good health. Maybe it will be a different kind of game if he was around.

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But we all know that sooner or later if the coach can't bring the old glory then he could be fire. Of course we don't want that to happen to Vogel, but maybe the management is really thinking very hard on what to do next specially after the all star break because it is going to be critical for the Lakers to even make the playoffs.

So we will see, I'm sure Lakers fans are also undecided as to who is really to blame to their season this year as in paper they look to be championship level in the beginning.
That last statement was true, until now I'm also curious who's going to point fingers.

Coach or players or the management itself, all should be taken seriously if Lakers still aiming to continue their journey.
Whatever lacking them, they should figure it out and find the best solution to start winning,

Fans need to see any adjustment and make the team worth to watch and support, Lakers still have enough time
if they have any changes or adjustment to be done.
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But we all know that sooner or later if the coach can't bring the old glory then he could be fire. Of course we don't want that to happen to Vogel, but maybe the management is really thinking very hard on what to do next specially after the all star break because it is going to be critical for the Lakers to even make the playoffs.

So we will see, I'm sure Lakers fans are also undecided as to who is really to blame to their season this year as in paper they look to be championship level in the beginning.
That last statement was true, until now I'm also curious who's going to point fingers.

Coach or players or the management itself, all should be taken seriously if Lakers still aiming to continue their journey.
Whatever lacking them, they should figure it out and find the best solution to start winning,

Fans need to see any adjustment and make the team worth to watch and support, Lakers still have enough time
if they have any changes or adjustment to be done.

Lebron James is making a strong case for his all around ability as a basketballer this season playing center. Another great night for the king but resulted in another loss. The main failure of lebron this season as compared to other season is his inability to get the very best out of Russell Westbrook.

Frank Vogel needs to recognize that Westbrook can't be on the floor on the fourth quarter. Furthermore wise Avery Bradley playing so many minutes, this was the same last season where Vogel have more minutes to him to the likes of curoso and kcp. Give more minutes to the likes of Austin reaves and Ariza.

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So what do you guys think of this list below? I think I would agree with it for the most part. After last nights ass whooping my Bulls received from the Nets, it's pretty clear to me ( at least in my opinion ) that the Nets with a healthy and present Kyrie, Durant and Harden are hands down the best team in the league.  I think secondly the Warriors are hands down the second best team in the league.  I am afraid that if these two teams stay healthy, there is no chance of anyone beating them.  As much as I love my bulls, I have to say seeing this would be one amazing championship series!


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There is a great game tonight. Milwaukee Bucks are playing a home game against Golden State Warriors. I can't wait to watch this huge game as I'm going to be able to watch Klay Thompson too. And I know that he is still trying to adapt again but it won't take too much time hopefully. If he starts playing close to his performance before his injury, then we could watch a more amazing game tonight. And they could win the game too in that case.
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January 13, 2022, 09:01:35 PM
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So what do you guys think of this list below? I think I would agree with it for the most part. After last nights ass whooping my Bulls received from the Nets, it's pretty clear to me ( at least in my opinion ) that the Nets with a healthy and present Kyrie, Durant and Harden are hands down the best team in the league.  I think secondly the Warriors are hands down the second best team in the league.  I am afraid that if these two teams stay healthy, there is no chance of anyone beating them.  As much as I love my bulls, I have to say seeing this would be one amazing championship series!

No question about it, even without looking at how the game goes for the Nets since last season, they're automatically considered as the best team in the NBA if they're all healthy. However, this season I think GSW & the Suns are becoming better and better and will no doubt can defeat a healthy Nets.

On the other hand, that question below about the Lakers, the answer to that is a resounding NO lol.
I don't expect a team to be on that list who's struggling with team chemistry and most especially defensively.

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January 13, 2022, 09:17:28 PM
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Damian Lillard's injury would blow Portland chances. He will be out for at least two months, that's pretty long time. He would come back in play-offs but it's a big question which place they will be in there.
NBA All-Star Voting is still going on and second results of fan vote just announced. It looks like starting lineups are ready, there is big vote difference for top 5 and others. The only competition is for third frontcourt player in Western conference. Wiggins and Paul George have very close votes, that may change. I don't expect other players to change.

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January 13, 2022, 09:20:43 PM
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Damian Lillard's injury would blow Portland chances. He will be out for at least two months, that's pretty long time. He would come back in play-offs but it's a big question which place they will be in there.
He is the heart and soul of the team, without him the Portland TrailBlazers will definitely struggle.
Last playoffs, he was the one who works hard to make the team more competitive although they lose to the Denver Nuggets.

NBA All-Star Voting is still going on and second results of fan vote just announced. It looks like starting lineups are ready, there is big vote difference for top 5 and others. The only competition is for third frontcourt player in Western conference. Wiggins and Paul George have very close votes, that may change. I don't expect other players to change.
Where can we find the voting results, can you put a link here?

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January 13, 2022, 09:27:26 PM
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Where can we find the voting results, can you put a link here?

I saw it on official website: https://www.nba.com/news/second-fan-returns-nba-all-star-voting-2022
You can also follow official communication twitter: https://twitter.com/NBAPR/status/1481687564079845378

Remember fan vote have %50 weight, other %50 will come from players and media. Starting lineup may change after other %50 votes.

Western Conference

Frontcourt
1. LeBron James (LAL) – 4,386,392
2. Nikola Jokić (DEN) – 3,016,380
3. Andrew Wiggins (GSW) – 1,829,733
4. Paul George (LAC) – 1,773,447
5. Anthony Davis (LAL) – 1,342,294
6. Draymond Green (GSW) – 1,295,848
7. Carmelo Anthony (LAL) – 886,014
8. Karl-Anthony Towns (MIN) – 851,033
9. Rudy Gobert (UTA) – 419,853
10. Deandre Ayton (PHX) – 344,688

Guards
1. Stephen Curry (GSW) – 4,463,426
2. Ja Morant (MEM) – 1,633,313
3. Luka Dončić (DAL) – 1,410,605
4. Klay Thompson (GSW) – 749,038
5. Devin Booker (PHX) – 648,317
6. Russell Westbrook (LAL) – 576,512
7. Chris Paul (PHX) – 561,896
8. Donovan Mitchell (UTA) – 441,247
9. Damian Lillard (POR) – 364,217
10. Anthony Edwards (MIN) – 224,293

Eastern Conference

Frontcourt
1. Kevin Durant (BKN) – 4,088,334
2. Giannis Antetokounmpo (MIL) – 3,808,458
3. Joel Embiid (PHI) – 2,357,404
4. Jayson Tatum (BOS) – 1,155,591
5. Jimmy Butler (MIA) – 978,889
6. Jarrett Allen (CLE) – 341,885
7. Bam Adebayo (MIA) – 282,512
8. Pascal Siakam (TOR) – 244,042
9. Miles Bridges (CHA) – 230,586
10. LaMarcus Aldridge (BKN) – 216,216

Guards
1. DeMar DeRozan (CHI) – 2,973,854
2. Trae Young (ATL) – 1,596,301
3. Zach LaVine (CHI) – 1,442,571
4. James Harden (BKN) -1,433,217
5. LaMelo Ball (CHA) – 694,446
6. Kyrie Irving (BKN) – 561,103
7. Derrick Rose (NYK) – 373,039
8. Fred VanVleet (TOR) – 350,806
9. Darius Garland (CLE) – 227,813
10. Jaylen Brown (BOS) – 217,463

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