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November 07, 2012, 11:08:41 PM
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well i just typed up a bit explaining this paper i'm working on, but when i submitted it i got logged out and everything was erased  Angry i guess its good to copy any longer posts before posting them on this site.

so basically i'm writing a paper that focuses on the controversy of bitcoins, i will be talking about possible tax/IRS problems for businesses accepting bitcoin; a US law the says it is illegal for currencies to be used the "competes with the USD";

also to start i will take a couple pages to explain what bitcoins are and how the are beneficial to use as an alternative to tradition money transfering.

any useful sources would be great, the legal issue section here will be helpful for me i noticed, i will try to find some sources their for my topic. thanks for reading, i am a little tight on time right now but i will be back to see any replies and to give some more explanation on what i'm doing with this paper.

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The Controversy of Bitcoin
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   In 2009 the new currency, Bitcoin, came into existence. The producer goes by Satoshi Nakamoto, who wrote the paper Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System, in 2008 explaining the design of Bitcon.  Although who Nakamoto is is a mystery, the name is believed to be a pseudonym and in 2011 he vanished (Evans-Pughe 1).  A big motive for creating Bitcoin was the Euro crisis; Nakamoto did not have much trust in banks saying:
"The root problem with conventional currency is all the trust that’s required to make it work. The central bank must be trusted not to debase the currency, but the history of fiat currencies is full of breaches of that trust. Banks must be trusted to hold our money and transfer it electronically, but they lend it out in waves of credit bubbles with barely a fraction in reserve." (qtd. in Evans-Pughe 1)
Since the creation of the Bitcoin peer-to-peer network people all over the world have started acquiring “bitcoins,” the currency units in the Bitcoin network, by various means either to buy goods online, to sell for traditional currency, or just to hold onto for the future.  There are a number of benefits and possible dangers to using bitcoins, as well as any “alternative” or “crypto-currency” for that matter.  Whether or not this can be a good thing or bad thing, at this point in time, is totally up to the individual deciding whether or not to use bitcoins rather than traditional currency such as the U.S. dollar.

   As a result the Bitcoin system has struck much controversy as it has become increasingly popular especially over the past year and a half.  Some people foresee that, for a number of reasons, the use of bitcoins may become criminalized in the U.S. and other large countries.  Some organizations that have once accepted bitcoins have now decided to refused them as a result to this growing idea( ). Several people say it is actually illegal to “create a currency that competes with the U.S. dollar” (Quittner par 18; Davis par 19).  Obviously it would be impossible to pay sales taxes in bitcoins and the IRS doesn’t specify how to tax sales made using bitcoins, but that doesn’t mean business owners should be so sure that the IRS isn’t going to step in on their business when the IRS sees they aren’t paying sales taxes (Rounds). The real dilemma, as far as crime and bitcoins go, is that people can accept and spend bitcoins nearly anonymously, creating Internet black-markets accepting “untraceable” bitcoins rather than cash. So the term “money laundering” has become a popular way to describe the Bitcoin network (Elias; pretty much all sources).  This controversy really poses the question people should ask themselves: should this new currency remain legal or be used only by rebellious criminals?  Also for either possibility, what is in store for the future of Bitcoin? Before answering those questions, it is best to look at the hard facts of the matter because there is a flipside to every issue.  In order to take a strong stance on what the legality of Bitcoin needs to be, it is very important to take a good look at these issues.

   Clearly as anyone would agree on with this issue, a huge problem is that the vast majority of citizens are not so much aware of what a bitcoin even is.  Yet powerful governmental figures are seriously considering prohibiting the use of bitcoins, and by the looks of it a drastic change in law such as this will end up going right over the majority of citizens heads simply because the issue is not getting enough coverage in mainstream media for the people to be informed.  It is no stretch of the imagination that some politicians may want this issue stomped out before citizens are even informed about it at all. Keep in mind that there is something everyday citizens can do to affect this issue and that citizens have power to change laws and stop laws from being past, but only in vast numbers.

Why would anyone want to use Bitcoin?  The main benefit for using bitcoins is that it cost factions of a penny or nothing in value to make a transfer of any amount of bitcoins.  A thousand businesses in 98 countries accept bitcoin as payments with the help of Bitpay (Browdie).  The exchange rate is volatile, so it goes up and down over time but over a longer period of time it tends to raise, so there is an investment opportunity.   For example, If one were to purchase bitcoins in mid February this year and sold them in mid August they would have sold for three times the purchased price according to bitcoincharts.com.

Decentralized currency verses centralized currency. (note: need to write a paragraph explaining this)

“Miners,” who could be anyone that owns the appropriate equipment to download bitcoins as they are being put into the network, develop Bitcoins compared to how the US Department of the Treasure prints US dollars to be put into circulation.  The equipment is not complicated, the components that a miner needs are a computer with Internet access and free software.  Pretty much everyone can mine bitcoins, but to actually do it efficiently you need high processing speed that can be achieve by connecting as many video cards that you can find and afford to a computer.  The rate a single miner will receive bitcoins depends on their processing speed and how many miners are on the Bitcoin network, because there is a limited amount of bitcoins being created worldwide at a constant rate of about 50 bitcoins per minute until the total in circulation is 21 million bitcoins (McCarthy 4:30). So once 21 million bitcoins are on the Bitcoin network there will no longer be miners. As of 2am October 31 2012 there were 10,291,400 bitcoins in circulation and one bitcoin had the exchange rate of about $10.79.

   So what are the facts concerning “currencies competing with the U.S. dollar,” as Quittner and Davis put it?  Is there actually a law that says this, and if so what defines a competing currency? Quittner gives no context for this quote, while Davis explains the actual case the quote Quittner used out of context: 
In 1998, a Hawaiian resident named Bernard von NotHaus began fabricating silver and gold coins that he dubbed Liberty Dollars. Nine years later, the U.S. government charged NotHaus with "conspiracy against the United States." He was found guilty and is awaiting sentencing. "It is a violation of federal law for individuals . . . to create private coin or currency systems to compete with the official coinage and currency of the United States," the F.B.I. announced at the end of the trial.” (Davis par. 19)
In the case, NotHaus actually was creating coins that resembled U.S. dollars that were being passed off as actual U.S. dollars, in context the term “compete” is actually describing counterfeiting rather than alternative currencies.  If most people were to look at the “Liberty coins” they would likely mistake them as rare U.S. dollar coins like half dollars and dollar coins (Liberty coin photo http://www.howtovanish.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Liberty-Dollars-multiple.jpg). In reality there is actually no law about different currencies competing with the U.S. dollar, it is just a misinterpretation caused by a quote being used out of context.

   The issue with taxing sales made using bitcoins a really plausible reason to not decide to have a business accept bitcoins, even though it is not actually illegal to do so.  It is possible to still pay taxes on sales made with bitcoin considering the business accepting them exchanges for traditional currency, this would be a safer way for businesses to go about accepting bitcoins but even that is not a fail proof practice and it entirely depends on the individual IRS agent who might be auditing the business at some point (Rounds).  Although since most business accepting bitcoins will only be conducting their business online most of them shouldn’t have to worry about sales tax anyway in most places.  Sales tax in most cases is not required on sales made over the Internet as long as the business does not have a storefront, depending on the location of the business.

   The primary reason that bitcoins are so controversial and people are claiming them to be money laundering is because the relative anonymity, this depends on how people use them, of people who accept strictly bitcoins has made online black markets possible and extremely difficult for authorities to bring to justice.  The reason for this is that banks or the IRS cannot see who is being sent bitcoins, meaning there is a sort of anonymity that can go along using them.  This really is a problem for bitcoin, but this doesn’t mean that it cannot be solved in the future.  Although, when stepping back and considering what exactly money laundering is: concealing the source of money obtained by illicit means, you can clearly see that merely using bitcoins is not actually money laundering anymore than using printed dollars are.  Just because cash can be used to purchase and sell illegal goods doesn’t mean everyone using cash is laundering money, so why wouldn’t bitcoins be looked at in the same way? A currency is a currency and whether or not a specific currency is being used for illicit purposes is entirely the responsibility of the individual using the currency. Bitcoin developers would like to see in the future traditional banks using bitcoins, this would mean that the majority of people spending and receiving them will be able to be monitored just as banks can see where the majority of money comes from and goes to with traditional currency(Evans-Pughe  ). 
Another type of digital currency called e-Gold has actually been shut down and charged for money laundering.  The difference between e-Gold and Bitcoin is that e-Gold was actually a company and they were the only people that e-Gold users where buying the currency from and spending the currency on.  Also the company e-Gold was directly tied into money laundering, not the customers of the company. Bitcoin is not a company, so whether or not it considered actual money laundering by any government there is nothing that can be done to bring down Bitcoin completely.  If the use of bitcoins were to be criminalized then that would just mean the people who use bitcoins in countries where it is illegal would just have to use them as anonymously as possible and it would not cause them to stop being used completely.

Hopefully after a thorough investigation of the nature and facts of bitcoins citizens will be able to decide for their selves on the issue of criminalizing this decentralized digital currency.  Most importantly it would be very noble for citizens to take a stand for what they believe is right, even if individuals feel this issue might not affect them personally. As well as having many more citizens becoming well informed on this issue before politicians can have the chance to officially prohibit citizens from having the legal option to use the rising type of currency.
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November 08, 2012, 08:18:24 AM
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a US law the says it is illegal for currencies to be used the "competes with the USD"

Good luck finding a source for that law.  It doesn't exist.

If such a law did exist, you or I couldn't accept Euros, or Pesos, or Yen, Ithica Hours, or bus tokens even.

If you are referring to the Bernard von Nothaus conviction, he was not convicted of "competing with the USD".  He was convicted of issuing metal coins that were considered to be counterfeits of U.S. coinage.

The U.S. prosecutor made a statement following the case that "It is a violation of federal law for individuals… to create private coin or currency systems to compete with the official coinage and currency of the United States.".  That was not in the charges that the jury decided.  The prosecutor's statement is not the law.

Bill Rounds of How To Vanish wrote this post:
 - http://www.lewrockwell.com/rounds/rounds35.1.html

and Anthony Wile wrote this post:
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November 08, 2012, 08:23:45 AM
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thanks for the reply Smiley actually that came from one of my sources, i think it was actually a peer-reviewed/academic source but thanks i will back check that source. it would be good if that is misinformation actually.
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a US law the says it is illegal for currencies to be used the "competes with the USD"

Good luck finding a source for that law.  It doesn't exist.

If such a law did exist, you or I couldn't accept Euros, or Pesos, or Yen, Ithica Hours, or bus tokens even.

If you are referring to the Bernard von Nothaus conviction, he was not convicted of "competing with the USD".  He was convicted of issuing metal coins that were considered to be counterfeits of U.S. coinage.

The U.S. prosecutor made a statement following the case that "It is a violation of federal law for individuals… to create private coin or currency systems to compete with the official coinage and currency of the United States.".  That was not in the charges that the jury decided.  The prosecutor's statement is not the law.

Bill Rounds of How To Vanish wrote this post:
 - http://www.lewrockwell.com/rounds/rounds35.1.html

and Anthony Wile wrote this post:
 - http://lewrockwell.com/wile/wile64.1.html



ok i found the source that had that, and you were exactly right! what i'm wondering is how were his coins considered counterfeits of US coinage? now that i look back in that, and see i was out of context, i am reading he called them "liberty dollars" so how is that counterfeiting? it was his own currency, not a fake/counterfeit.

but i appreciate you pointing that out, i have been sifting through sources for a while now and i must have misunderstood it when i first skimmed over that.

edit: actually i found it in one of my actual sources, and it doesn't mention the Nothaus. but clearly that is where it came from, so i'm going to mention it in my paper that "competing with US is against the law" source that, and then debunk it with the other source i found but wasn't actually planning on using in my paper. (yay i am not an incompetent reader, Jeremy Quittner actually says this out of context in "Bitcoin's Two Sides: Threat and Opportunity")
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now that i look back in that, and see i was out of context, i am reading he called them "liberty dollars" so how is that counterfeiting? it was his own currency, not a fake/counterfeit.
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November 08, 2012, 12:40:41 PM
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ok something important concerning the whole competing currency/counterfeiting... check this out from Joshua Davis' "The Cryto-Currency"

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Nakamoto had good reason to hide: people who experiment with currency tend to end up in trouble. In 1998, a Hawaiian resident named Bernard von NotHaus began fabricating silver and gold coins that he dubbed Liberty Dollars. Nine years later, the U.S. government charged NotHaus with "conspiracy against the United States." He was found guilty and is awaiting sentencing. "It is a violation of federal law for individuals . . . to create private coin or currency systems to compete with the official coinage and currency of the United States," the F.B.I. announced at the end of the trial.
Online currencies aren't exempt. In 2007, the federal government filed charges against e-Gold, a company that sold a digital currency redeemable for gold. The government argued that the project enabled money laundering and child pornography, since users did not have to provide thorough identification. The company's owners were found guilty of operating an unlicensed money-transmitting business and the C.E.O. was sentenced to months of house arrest. The company was effectively shut down.
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edit: actually i found it in one of my actual sources, and it doesn't mention the Nothaus. but clearly that is where it came from, so i'm going to mention it in my paper that "competing with US is against the law" source that, and then debunk it with the other source i found but wasn't actually planning on using in my paper. (yay i am not an incompetent reader, Jeremy Quittner actually says this out of context in "Bitcoin's Two Sides: Threat and Opportunity")

Counterfeiting doesn't only include making exact replicas of US money it also includes creatings notes & coins which may be MISTAKEN for us money.   This is why monopoly money for example is a different size, says play money, doesn't use US money terms, symbols, etc.

This is the coin he created.  Without knowing what it is what would you think it is?  If you paid a merchant in USD and received one of these back what would be your first reaction "cool new US coin" or "wait a second this is from that private currency I had no idea even existed"?  In the court case it was presented as evidence that merchants would be sold Liberty Dollars at a discount and encouraged to give them as change to USD without advising the customer of their nature.


The prosecutor proved that it was his intent to pass these coins off as US coinage and thus he was convicted of counterfeiting.  
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gotcha, that's cool i didn't realize that was such a recent issue. i was going to debunk this whole competing with USD, but as i continued reading the Davis article i saw that a company was charged for e-Gold and shut down. but this seems different from bitcoin, i'm assuming the e-Gold was centralized. and i don't think there would be anyway to shut down bitcoin, but could the users be charged in a similar case?

edit: lol this all-nighter is getting the best of me, as i stuck Davis' quote in my paper and read over it i noticed it said he started in 98 and did this for 9 years. i can't believe it took so long to get busted.
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No, e-gold was shut down because it was a money laundering service.
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yea but people are considering bitcoin to be money laundering too  Huh
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Good luck shutting down bitcoin  Cool

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yea but people are considering bitcoin to be money laundering too  Huh



e-gold was a proprietary currency administrated, recognized and traded through and by a single company (e-gold ltd.). Shut down the company, and you shut down the currency.

Bitcoin is an open source peer to peer protocol. Shut down a node, no one cares.
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Yea in my paper that is one of my points, if the US or anyone country where to ban Bitcoin it would be impossible to actually put a stop people from using. I suppose it would be possible to catch people who mine bitcoins or otherwise sell/buy them, because money is so traceable and people wouldn't want to people random people. but things like Greendot MoneyPak would work well for buying and selling them anonymously, BUT i'm sure it would be possible to have a GMP number be traced to someone cashing it. but having to pay 5 bucks to get a moneypak sort of makes buying bitcoins not very worth it unless you sold them 5 bucks cheaper than they are worth.

i realize Bitcoin can't get shut down, but it would suck if they became illegal and people started getting charged for using bitcoins.

thanks greyhawk, that's what i was think. so it can still be considered money laundering then.

does anyone hope that banks start accepting bitcoins so it establishes legitimacy, people think since its "anonymous" that its like laundering money. yet the network knows how bitcoins are out there, which accounts transfer to which accounts. it doesn't seem to be that anonymous to me and it seems like if it were to establish legitimacy then there will not be an "untraceable" element to it.
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See that's the thing. A currency by itself can't be illegal. You can't just go ahead and declare Bitcoin illegal. How would you rationalize such a decision?

Now what you CAN declare illegal is the behaviour of those handling or issuing the currency.

e-gold was killed because the company directors actively facilitated money laundering. Killing the company as the sole issuer killed the currency.

Liberty Dollars was killed because the issuer behaved in a way that was clearly intended to defraud customers. Stopping the issuer stopped the currency.

Bitcoin has no issuer (or philosophically everyone in BTC is an issuer, miners by proof of work and users by way of trust). So there's no one to kill or stop (or everyone).

Bitcoin itself is just a digital expression of trust into ownership and value. You can't declare trust illegal. You'd have to prohibit the whole concept of trading itself to be illegal first. And that's something even communism didn't/couldn't do.
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yea but people are considering bitcoin to be money laundering too  Huh

You seem to be confusing two things.  eGold (the currency) wasn't shutdown because it was a virtual currency.  e-gold ltd (the company) was shutdown because the operators failed to implement anti-money laundering procedures.  They violated existing laws related to money transmission and their shutdown had absolutely nothing to do with it being a virtual currency.  If they operated the same network using USD they still would have been shutdown.  Had e-gold ltd implemented AML procedures and complied with other laws it is entirely possible they would still be operating.  As a side note it looks like the operators were also embezzling as the amount of gold reserves was significantly less than the amount of eGold issued (a problem w/ centralized opaque currencies) but that wasn't discovered until after the fact.

It just so happens that the only issuer and redeemer of eGold was e-gold ltd and thus closing down the company killed the currency.

Could the US government declare bitcoin illegal?  Sure they can declare anything illegal.  They could declare forums illegal, or porn, or cars with more than 4 cylinders.  However no existing laws on the books make bitcoin illegal.  No existing laws on the books make buying and selling goods and services in bitcoins illegal.  The fact that a counterfeiter and a money launderer were charged isn't exactly the same thing as saying "virtual currencies are illegal therefore bitcoin is illegal".

Unlike e-gold even if the US did pass laws making decentralized currencies illegal the network would still be legal outside the US (you know that place called the entire rest of the world).  In e-gold case with the issuer being centralized it could be shutdown when it violated US law however bitcoin doesn't suffer that flaw.
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Yea in my paper that is one of my points, if the US or anyone country where to ban Bitcoin it would be impossible to actually put a stop people from using. I suppose it would be possible to catch people who mine bitcoins or otherwise sell/buy them, because money is so traceable and people wouldn't want to people random people. but things like Greendot MoneyPak would work well for buying and selling them anonymously, BUT i'm sure it would be possible to have a GMP number be traced to someone cashing it. but having to pay 5 bucks to get a moneypak sort of makes buying bitcoins not very worth it unless you sold them 5 bucks cheaper than they are worth.

i realize Bitcoin can't get shut down, but it would suck if they became illegal and people started getting charged for using bitcoins.

thanks greyhawk, that's what i was think. so it can still be considered money laundering then.

does anyone hope that banks start accepting bitcoins so it establishes legitimacy, people think since its "anonymous" that its like laundering money. yet the network knows how bitcoins are out there, which accounts transfer to which accounts. it doesn't seem to be that anonymous to me and it seems like if it were to establish legitimacy then there will not be an "untraceable" element to it.

It's as anon as you make it. Everyone can see the blockchain, but they couldn't really link a specific user with an address without either owning the vast majority of the nodes on the network (and if that happens they might as well 51% and just deny all transactions) or unless that user is silly and publishes an address with other information linking them to that address.

Another cool thing you might consider using in your paper... existing drug enforcement tactics sometimes result in raids on bitcoin miners... apparently the power consumption + heat generated looks a lot like growing pot. So if they did for example, make mining illegal... a good mechanism to locate miners is already in place on the local level using offline tech.


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November 09, 2012, 10:59:22 AM
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yea but people are considering bitcoin to be money laundering too  Huh

You seem to be confusing two things.  eGold (the currency) wasn't shutdown because it was a virtual currency.  e-gold ltd (the company) was shutdown because the operators failed to implement anti-money laundering procedures.  They violated existing laws related to money transmission and their shutdown had absolutely nothing to do with it being a virtual currency.  If they operated the same network using USD they still would have been shutdown.  Had e-gold ltd implemented AML procedures and complied with other laws it is entirely possible they would still be operating.  As a side note it looks like the operators were also embezzling as the amount of gold reserves was significantly less than the amount of eGold issued (a problem w/ centralized opaque currencies) but that wasn't discovered until after the fact.

It just so happens that the only issuer and redeemer of eGold was e-gold ltd and thus closing down the company killed the currency.
To continue this train of thought, the Bitcoin analogy would be if Mt. Gox or similar was shut down for failing to implement AML - Bitcoin still lives on as it is entirely separate from the exchanges.
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November 09, 2012, 12:11:20 PM
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Oh don't worry, they can put people in jail if they want. Laws? They make the laws lol.

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See that's the thing. A currency by itself can't be illegal. You can't just go ahead and declare Bitcoin illegal. How would you rationalize such a decision?

Now what you CAN declare illegal is the behaviour of those handling or issuing the currency.

e-gold was killed because the company directors actively facilitated money laundering. Killing the company as the sole issuer killed the currency.

Liberty Dollars was killed because the issuer behaved in a way that was clearly intended to defraud customers. Stopping the issuer stopped the currency.

Bitcoin has no issuer (or philosophically everyone in BTC is an issuer, miners by proof of work and users by way of trust). So there's no one to kill or stop (or everyone).

Bitcoin itself is just a digital expression of trust into ownership and value. You can't declare trust illegal. You'd have to prohibit the whole concept of trading itself to be illegal first. And that's something even communism didn't/couldn't do.

this is really helpful thanks! can you come up with some sources explaining this idea? i mean people can use marijuana or other illegal commodities as currency, like bartering with, bitcoin can really more easily be seen as a commodity that many people use and barter with, cause it to be a currency among certain people... in that sense you could see prohibition just like you see with drugs and certain weapons.

honestly being paid with marijuana is better in my neck of the woods because people tend to want it more than they want money, so more money can be made bartering with marijuana than selling for cash... for example.

also Nakamoto said that the sole purpose of designing Bitcoin was a result of the Euro crisis and his distrust in banks. is there any good sources that discuss why it would be better to keep money in Bitcoin rather than banks? seems like an important point but i haven't really found much on it, seems like most people exchange bitcoin to money in the bank pretty quickly...
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November 11, 2012, 05:49:28 AM
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Rather curious to read your paper when it's done. Will you share it with us?

Are you writing this for a class or something?
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Yea in my paper that is one of my points, if the US or anyone country where to ban Bitcoin it would be impossible to actually put a stop people from using. I suppose it would be possible to catch people who mine bitcoins or otherwise sell/buy them, because money is so traceable and people wouldn't want to people random people. but things like Greendot MoneyPak would work well for buying and selling them anonymously, BUT i'm sure it would be possible to have a GMP number be traced to someone cashing it. but having to pay 5 bucks to get a moneypak sort of makes buying bitcoins not very worth it unless you sold them 5 bucks cheaper than they are worth.

i realize Bitcoin can't get shut down, but it would suck if they became illegal and people started getting charged for using bitcoins.

thanks greyhawk, that's what i was think. so it can still be considered money laundering then.

does anyone hope that banks start accepting bitcoins so it establishes legitimacy, people think since its "anonymous" that its like laundering money. yet the network knows how bitcoins are out there, which accounts transfer to which accounts. it doesn't seem to be that anonymous to me and it seems like if it were to establish legitimacy then there will not be an "untraceable" element to it.

It's as anon as you make it. Everyone can see the blockchain, but they couldn't really link a specific user with an address without either owning the vast majority of the nodes on the network (and if that happens they might as well 51% and just deny all transactions) or unless that user is silly and publishes an address with other information linking them to that address.

Another cool thing you might consider using in your paper... existing drug enforcement tactics sometimes result in raids on bitcoin miners... apparently the power consumption + heat generated looks a lot like growing pot. So if they did for example, make mining illegal... a good mechanism to locate miners is already in place on the local level using offline tech.



haha i seen a few examples of people getting raid for growing pot only to discover they were just mining bitcoins... i don't have to worry about that in my state though its legal  Cool

edit: unrelated to my thread but i does anyone keep their mining equipment in a refrigerator? i have a mini fridge i don't use, and i ordered from BFL and i'm thinking i could just keep it in the fridge as it mines. i'm not worried about getting raided, but i know people use all kinds of fans to cool their equipment, and keeping it in a fridge ought to be perfect and probably waste less energy even if it uses more... and by that i mean that the 5 times more energy it might use will actually help cooling maybe 20x more, than a bunch of fans will...
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November 11, 2012, 05:55:26 AM
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Rather curious to read your paper when it's done. Will you share it with us?

Are you writing this for a class or something?

yes i am, composition 250. its like the second time taking this class, i have hated it but i have been doing well this time probably because i have picked a great topic that i am interested in and is current so my teacher and classmates have been finding my research very interesting... and i made a pre-order from BFL not long ago with some confidence it will be doing well thanks to some research i have been doing (although mining research is not the focus of my paper, it has been more of a distraction from my actual paper research...)
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OP updated with rough draft, i would appreciate any suggestions and criticism. This is about 7 pages double space, the minimum is 8 but I am aiming for at least 10 pages.

thank you all for your help so far, and if anyone takes the time to read my work in progress i will be extremely grateful. Also i'm planning on including the petition to SIX, but i am not sure if it will help the future legal status of bitcoins.  I am hoping that if the petition pass that would protect bitcoin from becoming illegal in the future, if that is the case i will certainly include it in my paper as a way citizens can take a stand for bitcoins legality.
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“Miners,” who could be anyone that owns the appropriate equipment to download create blocks of bitcoins, Bitcoins compared it's akin to how the US Department of the Treasure prints US dollars to be put into circulation.  The equipment is not complicated, the components that a miner needs are a computer with Internet access and free software.  Pretty much everyone can mine bitcoins, but to actually do it efficiently you need high processing speed that can be achieve by connecting as many video cards that as you can find and afford to a computer.  The rate a single miner will mine bitcoins depends on their processing speed and how many the total processing speed of all miners are on the Bitcoin network, because there is a limited amount of bitcoins being created worldwide at a constant rate of about 50 bitcoins (soon to drop to 25) per ten minute until the total in circulation is will be 21 million bitcoins (McCarthy 4:30). So once 21 million bitcoins are on the Bitcoin network there will no longer be miners. miners will only be processing transactions for the optional fees paid by the users of bitcoin. As of 2am October 31 2012 there were 10,291,400 bitcoins in circulation and one bitcoin had the exchange rate of about $10.79.

FTFY... If you need anymore help with editing in general... happy to help.

Also you may want to checfk that McCarthy source, it that's actually what was written then the guy doesn't understand bitcoin and you can probably find a plethora of sources contradicting him.


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thanks for the help! much appreciated.what is wrong with the McCarthy source? btw its not written its a Ted talk speech (at 4min 30sec) feel free to double check maybe i misquoted? the guy seemed to have a good idea about bitcoins. also i think i might have written per minute instead of 10.
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thanks for the help! much appreciated.what is wrong with the McCarthy source? btw its not written its a Ted talk speech (at 4min 30sec) feel free to double check maybe i misquoted? the guy seemed to have a good idea about bitcoins. also i think i might have written per minute instead of 10.

Ok I listened to it --- all he said was 21mil btc...

I was ref to the beginning part of the sentence: Not per min, per 10 mins. But yes, source him for 21mil is correct.


rate of about 50 bitcoins per minute until the total in circulation is 21 million bitcoins (McCarthy 4:30). So once 21 million bitcoins are on the Bitcoin network there will no longer be miners.

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I don't see how buying and using bitcoins is any more illegal than buying game credits, amusement park tokens, Facebook credits, or MFC tokens. Only difference is that a single entity doesn't control the bitcoin virtual currency.
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I don't see how buying and using bitcoins is any more illegal than buying game credits, amusement park tokens, Facebook credits, or MFC tokens. Only difference is that a single entity doesn't control the bitcoin virtual currency.

its not illegal. but people are trying to make the claims that bitcoins should/will become illegal due to various reasons... i started the paper out of concern for the bitcoins becoming illegal, but after i finished i am pretty sure it won't happen and as far as i can see there is no legit reason (although laws pass all the time for no legit reason)... i turned in my final draft today if anyone is interested btw.
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