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October 31, 2015, 08:10:22 AM
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Dear Sir,

ITALIAN moderator HOSTFAT (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=203 ) continue to administer the Italian section with his rules: there are a lot of fake profile in Marketplace Sectious, used only to Bump the selling Post (see here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=46.0) , but he don't take any position. Then he give me a neg trust with his friend ANON39 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=165089) because say i'm a fake profile.

Hope that global moderator or other ranked member could take any decision about these member.

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October 31, 2015, 09:10:40 AM
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Dear Sir,

ITALIAN moderator HOSTFAT (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=203 ) continue to administer the Italian section with his rules: there are a lot of fake profile in Marketplace Sectious, used only to Bump the selling Post (see here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=46.0) , but he don't take any position. Then he give me a neg trust with his friend ANON39 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=165089) because say i'm a fake profile.

Hope that global moderator or other ranked member could take any decision about these member.

if you are accusing someone for something then you must provide a valid evidence .
specially if you are accusing staff members.
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October 31, 2015, 09:31:54 AM
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Here: 












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October 31, 2015, 09:32:58 AM
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And Here my TRUST:


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October 31, 2015, 10:00:37 AM
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Interesting case. Even though I have zero Italian skills it is obvious that those are bumps. Have you reported such posts or not? Sometimes (depends on activity, how many moderators handle the section, etc.) we do not see people who do not delete bumps and such (we need people to report). Have you tried talking directly to HostFat?

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October 31, 2015, 10:06:11 AM
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Interesting case. Even though I have zero Italian skills it is obvious that those are bumps. Have you reported such posts or not? Sometimes (depends on activity, how many moderators handle the section, etc.) we do not see people who do not delete bumps and such (we need people to report). Have you tried talking directly to HostFat?


HostFat? He Know all people of the forum. But if someone is his friend, he don't take any position.....  Roll Eyes

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October 31, 2015, 10:06:42 AM
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DomMic is an alt account of FX_trader.

FX_trader has multiple scam accusation:

- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1195356.0
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1175224.msg12442622#msg12442622


He tries to earn money gambling other peoples money in forex.
He created this account (DomMic) after he lost all the founds with his old account.

He promises to refund 50% of the losses and He didn't.

Now he is raging like He did before saying bullshit to defame me and the other people that left him neg trust.

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October 31, 2015, 10:15:45 AM
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Interesting case. Even though I have zero Italian skills it is obvious that those are bumps. Have you reported such posts or not? Sometimes (depends on activity, how many moderators handle the section, etc.) we do not see people who do not delete bumps and such (we need people to report). Have you tried talking directly to HostFat?


HostFat? He Know all people of the forum. But if someone is his friend, he don't take any position.....  Roll Eyes
Its all italian and i doubt any english speaker MOD can understand that ...the one who can is hostfat .
on a side note just let it go ,I dont think hostfat is going to get neg-repped for it ....dosent matters if you are wright or wrong.
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October 31, 2015, 10:17:10 AM
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DomMic is an alt account of FX_trader.

FX_trader has multiple scam accusation:

- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1195356.0
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1175224.msg12442622#msg12442622


He tries to earn money gambling other peoples money in forex.
He created this account (DomMic) after he lost all the founds with his old account.

He promises to refund 50% of the losses and He didn't.

Now he is raging like He did before saying bullshit to defame me and the other people that left him neg trust.

No matter Friend. I only report that i'm not the only.

Good Luck.

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October 31, 2015, 10:17:29 AM
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Trust is not moderated. Anyone can give you a negative rating for just about anything if they feel it is justified or not (which is the case with spammers/trolls and whatnot). I do not care about your negative trust. I am, however interested in those undeleted bumps.

HostFat? He Know all people of the forum. But if someone is his friend, he don't take any position.....  Roll Eyes
I tried helping you, and you reply with nonsense.

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October 31, 2015, 10:28:45 AM
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Trust is not moderated. Anyone can give you a negative rating for just about anything if they feel it is justified or not (which is the case with spammers/trolls and whatnot). I do not care about your negative trust. I am, however interested in those undeleted bumps.

HostFat? He Know all people of the forum. But if someone is his friend, he don't take any position.....  Roll Eyes
I tried helping you, and you reply with nonsense.

Sorry Lauda, I only try to say that HostFat don't take any position about abuse of other user he know, he "protect " them. Then, i remember for example, a "war" against a new Exchanger (the user is Bitnow - see the non sense trust https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=497151  - see the topic https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1096711.20 ) where some user try to let him a negative impression  only to protect their interest, and Hotfast don't take any position !

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October 31, 2015, 11:05:01 AM
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Those profiles you showed in screenshots are all legit: they are a few of my returning customers.

By the way we give you negative feedback not because you are an alt account per se, but because your previous account has a scam accusation not yet settled and you created this new account to (try to) clean your rep and continue with the exact same business that originated the scam accusation, without addressing the previous dispute.

This behaviour is shady and untrustworthy, to say the least. You cannot be trusted for that kind of service you try to offer under these conditions.

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October 31, 2015, 11:15:02 AM
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No Matter Ghibly. You are not the one to have multiple account to bump Your selling post.

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October 31, 2015, 11:36:59 AM
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No Matter Ghibly. You are not the one to have multiple account to bump Your selling post.

Regards.

Exactly, I am not "the one".
Though I'm pretty sure you meant "you are not the only one", your broken english actually helped you stating the truth in this case Wink


Either way it's pretty irrelevant for your case, which is not about fake accounts.
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October 31, 2015, 11:46:35 AM
Last edit: October 31, 2015, 01:33:41 PM by HostFat
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The problem of italians is that:
- Many doesn't know english (than this make it hard for them using exchanges)
- They are used to use cash, and so they aren't comfortable on using bank transfers.
- Many of them prefer to use cash to maintain a good anonymity

This create a situation where there are a lot of REAL newbies that come to buy Bitcoin from the sellers available in our market section.
Then, this make it really hard to find who is a clone/fake and who is not.

If the forum would be able to give us (Staff) a least if an user is using the IP of someone else, I'll be happily using it.
But now there isn't, and I try to maintain the benefit of the doubt on our section.


I even tried to make a threat agaist "possible" sellers that are making fake account:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1120461.0

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Se scopro un feedback fasullo vi beccate un trust negativo da me
Siete quindi fottuti come venditori, pensateci bene

It's something like:
If I'll find a fake feedback I'll give you a negative trust
Then you know, you will be fucked, think hard about it.


Now about FX_trader.
He owes money to an italian user, and then I found that there is another user that wants back his money (And maybe, even others):
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1175224.msg12442622#msg12442622
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1198054.msg12580337#msg12580337

I think that FX_trader isn't so crafty, it was really easy to catch him

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October 31, 2015, 11:59:41 AM
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HostFat, no matter. It's your time now and all people should see how you "protect" a little group of user on italian section.

You could say i'm a scammer, but i'm not a stupid, and i think that other user could see that all accusation against you in this tread are true.



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October 31, 2015, 12:08:09 PM
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"If the forum would be able to give us (Staff) a least if an user is using the IP of someone, I'll be happily using it.
But now there isn't, and I try to maintain the benefit of the doubt on our section."


Well, you don't have the same doubt about DomMIC  - FXTRADER but let that some user became "Member RANK" only bumbing the same post!!!!!!!

This user ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=484149 )  is only ONE of a lot of same fake user - this user becam a MEMBER -, and HostFat don't take any position!

See here:




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October 31, 2015, 12:18:08 PM
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In the market section I've made a rule where it isn't possible to bump the thread more that one time in 24 hours.

The only allowed way to have more "bumps", is by the "thanks" from their customers.

So, sellers are directly asking to their customers to write thanks.

Then yes, they are "bumps", but they are legitimate.

They are not (legitimate) if they comes from fake/clone of customers (made from the same sellers)
But this put back the problem on what I wrote, it isn't easy to find them.


You were really easy to catch.
I thought that you where FX_trader from your first message on the italian section, but I wasn't sure.
That I found your messages on the other english sections, and you were making the same things.

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October 31, 2015, 12:23:01 PM
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In the market section I've made a rule where it isn't possible to bump the thread more that one time in 24 hours.

The only allowed way to have more "bumps", is by the "thanks" from their customers.

So, sellers are directly asking to their customers to write thanks.

Then yes, they are "bumps", but they are legitimate.

They are not (legitimate) if they comes from fake/clone of customers (made from the same sellers)
But this put back the problem on what I wrote, it isn't easy to find them.


You were really easy to catch.
I thought that you where FX_trader from your first message on the italian section, but I wasn't sure.
That I found your messages on the other english sections, and you were making the same things.

HostFat, please: all people could see that they comes from fake/clone of customers made from the same sellers.


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October 31, 2015, 12:28:46 PM
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I've a discussion with all the "probably" legitimate sellers about this problem.
They say that there are "other" sellers that are using fake accounts, but I usually say to them that I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

Again, I've even wrote this in the hope to lower the problem.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1120461.0

This discussion is going in circle  Roll Eyes

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