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[TwitchySeal]

Stage 10: 2016-07-31 00:01 Forum time   -  2016-07-29 23:59 Forum Time

Stage 10 ends before it starts, just to let you guys know haha although I am participating in another campaign, you should totally read what you modify before pressing the post button

omg the troll team is completed now !!

As one of the few who actually play on Betcoin.ag and understand online poker, should be ashamed of yourself.

ashamed of what ?? for promoting the best bitcoin poker site ??
there is no perfect site you and me know that , so yes Betcoin isn't perfect but it's the best btc casino for me
I strongly believe that all btc casinos shouldn't provide Betsoft games , but I see people only attacking Betcoin and the attacks are really overrated
there is a mixtrue of truth and lies
these days I'm not playing that much on Betcoin just because they removed the WPN STTs , but when they get them back Betcoin will officially be my perfect poker room

you have your opinion and I have mine , I will never be ashamed of promoting the site that I had the best gaming experience on it
sorry for my bad English , but I really hope that you got my point   

I understand what your saying.  But, just because you think all other Bitcoin casinos are "worse" for you, doesn't mean you have to accept their behavior.

Betsoft issues aside, lets just consider poker.  Many of the following issues were innocent mistakes that could of easily been fixed by simply aknowledging their mistake, apologizing to their players and showing a genuine effort to make change in the future.  Instead they lie, try to cover it up, and then when they see it's not going away they try and twist the story to make themselves out the hero.


They knowingly allow cheaters to play.

They knowingly overcharged players for months and then lied about it.

They knowingly collected over 16 btc for a badbeat jackpot from players who had 0% chance to win it.  (this was prior to Aug 2nd 2015)

They advertise a daily double jackpot now that's impossible to win (they removed the second tournament, and left the promotion up)

They just posted fake skype conversations of me confessing to ddos their site, but don't "have time" to respond to legitimate issues brought up by players.

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[Roboabhishek]

Stage 10: 2016-07-31 00:01 Forum time   -  2016-07-29 23:59 Forum Time

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They just posted fake skype conversations of me confessing to ddos their site, but don't "have time" to respond to legitimate issues brought up by players.

I don't know about skype but yesterday 31/7/16 betcoin.ag was attacked by ddos for sure. Now the site is on with Cloudfare security.
That's for true.
But why are you taking this matter this far i think everything has been sorted out already.

[cjmoles]

Stage 10: 2016-07-31 00:01 Forum time   -  2016-07-29 23:59 Forum Time

Stage 10 ends before it starts, just to let you guys know haha although I am participating in another campaign, you should totally read what you modify before pressing the post button

omg the troll team is completed now !!

As one of the few who actually play on Betcoin.ag and understand online poker, should be ashamed of yourself.

ashamed of what ?? for promoting the best bitcoin poker site ??
there is no perfect site you and me know that , so yes Betcoin isn't perfect but it's the best btc casino for me
I strongly believe that all btc casinos shouldn't provide Betsoft games , but I see people only attacking Betcoin and the attacks are really overrated
there is a mixtrue of truth and lies
these days I'm not playing that much on Betcoin just because they removed the WPN STTs , but when they get them back Betcoin will officially be my perfect poker room

you have your opinion and I have mine , I will never be ashamed of promoting the site that I had the best gaming experience on it
sorry for my bad English , but I really hope that you got my point   

I understand what your saying.  But, just because you think all other Bitcoin casinos are "worse" for you, doesn't mean you have to accept their behavior.

Betsoft issues aside, lets just consider poker.  Many of the following issues were innocent mistakes that could of easily been fixed by simply aknowledging their mistake, apologizing to their players and showing a genuine effort to make change in the future.  Instead they lie, try to cover it up, and then when they see it's not going away they try and twist the story to make themselves out the hero.


They knowingly allow cheaters to play.

They knowingly overcharged players for months and then lied about it.

They knowingly collected over 16 btc for a badbeat jackpot from players who had 0% chance to win it.  (this was prior to Aug 2nd 2015)

They advertise a daily double jackpot now that's impossible to win (they removed the second tournament, and left the promotion up)

They just posted fake skype conversations of me confessing to ddos their site, but don't "have time" to respond to legitimate issues brought up by players.

1) You're not even a real player; you were banned for TOC violations; you are just a disgruntled lying, shilling, troll.
2) The concerns you keep bringing up have been resolved long ago and any mistakes made have been compensated for.
3) Their time is better spent on supporting legitimate players than trolls who barrage them with baseless accusations.
4) If you spent more time in honest pursuits, then maybe you'd find your life more satisfying.
5) You talk about them posting fake evidence (which was submitted to them by a member of your crew) but you're the king of photo shopping evidence!  LOL
6) I'm worried about you; have you seen a doctor?....It worked for Sybil!  ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybil_(1976_film) )

[TwitchySeal]

1) You're not even a real player; you were banned for TOC violations; you are just a disgruntled lying, shilling, troll.

I am a professional poker player, I was not banned for violating TOC.  I was banned from the forum for re-posting issues after they deleted them from the forum without responding.

My poker account isn't  even banned by the way.  I just can't log in to the forum. Please stop lying about me.

2) The concerns you keep bringing up have been resolved long ago and any mistakes made have been compensated for.

They have compensated some players for some of their mistakes, yes.  Not all players though, and they haven't made any indication that they take these mistakes seriously in the future.  

Here are some references for you: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=386266.msg13025707#msg13025707

http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/showthread.php?11404-Betcoin-ag-Scams-Scandals-and-Shadiness-Galore

3) Their time is better spent on supporting legitimate players than trolls who barrage them with baseless accusations.

I agree, but they aren't doing thatg either.

4) If you spent more time in honest pursuits, then maybe you'd find your life more satisfying.
5) You talk about them posting fake evidence (which was submitted to them by a member of your crew) but you're the king of photo shopping evidence!  LOL

If you want to make an accusation than do it. Are you accusing me of photoshoping that evidence?  Do you think those skype logs are authentic? As far as the ddos attacks do you believe Betcoin or me?

[TwitchySeal]

Stage 10: 2016-07-31 00:01 Forum time   -  2016-07-29 23:59 Forum Time

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They just posted fake skype conversations of me confessing to ddos their site, but don't "have time" to respond to legitimate issues brought up by players.

I don't know about skype but yesterday 31/7/16 betcoin.ag was attacked by ddos for sure. Now the site is on with Cloudfare security.
That's for true.
But why are you taking this matter this far i think everything has been sorted out already.

Because they are constantly lying. 

Read this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1236667.msg15743071#msg15743071

It's 100% fabricated, and they know it.

[Roboabhishek]

Twichy you spammed this threat o_O by quoting so much.
For god sake please skip some part of reply with -snip-
then it will be much easier for others to read
Thanks

[TwitchySeal]

Twichy you spammed this threat o_O by quoting so much.
For god sake please skip some part of reply with -snip-
then it will be much easier for others to read
Thanks

What is spam? 

I honestly try to edit down to only relevant info.

The only reason these issues are all being brought to this thread is because it's the only place Betcoin has any sort of presence.  They delete or lock most threads on their site that criticize them and completely ignore any other thread on this forum.  Their signature campaign is a last resort.  I understand why so many members are upset that they have to choose between a lower paying campaign or receiving neg trust, but tbh I don't really give a fuck.  Money or integrity.  Pick.

[ajareselde]

What is spam? 

I honestly try to edit down to only relevant info.

The only reason these issues are all being brought to this thread is because it's the only place Betcoin has any sort of presence.  They delete or lock most threads on their site that criticize them and completely ignore any other thread on this forum.  Their signature campaign is a last resort.  I understand why so many members are upset that they have to choose between a lower paying campaign or receiving neg trust, but tbh I don't really give a fuck.  Money or integrity.  Pick.

Spam is everything that comes from your mouth obviously. You only try to enforce some bullying stance here in thread posting things totally unrelated to the campaign.
You are nothing more than shill account of crypto-games in efforts to discredit competition. It is obvious from your very own first posts since account creation.

You want to talk about integrity ? Threatening with hired gun from your own ranks ? Nice to see you show your real face.   

[TwitchySeal]

What is spam? 

I honestly try to edit down to only relevant info.

The only reason these issues are all being brought to this thread is because it's the only place Betcoin has any sort of presence.  They delete or lock most threads on their site that criticize them and completely ignore any other thread on this forum.  Their signature campaign is a last resort.  I understand why so many members are upset that they have to choose between a lower paying campaign or receiving neg trust, but tbh I don't really give a fuck.  Money or integrity.  Pick.

Spam is everything that comes from your mouth obviously.

ok then, I understand now

[ObscureBean]

Well I'm not leaving this campaign   
I'm certainly not going to be scared off by some random guy who threatens to mark my account in red because he believes he is justice incarnate.
Accusations mean nothing unless you're 100% certain and ready to back them up with your life. Like when you see a murder happening a few feet away from you with the faces of the people involved clearly visible as opposed to hearing about a supposedly bearded guy knifing a longish guy with malformed feet from a friend's cousin's girlfriend's aunt.

[game-protect]

1) You're not even a real player; you were banned for TOC violations; you are just a disgruntled lying, shilling, troll.

In what fantasy dream world do you live? Betcoin.ag has no Terms of Service!

[poptok1]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1571148.0
OK we got new campaign thread here.
Its self moderated, so it should be a little more clear for us to read.
Already a lot of people interested in joining campaign

[cjmoles]

1) You're not even a real player; you were banned for TOC violations; you are just a disgruntled lying, shilling, troll.

In what fantasy dream world do you live? Betcoin.ag has no Terms of Service!

Probably not the same world that you guys get your information from that's for sure....here's a little something I brought you from my world however:  https://sports.betcoin.ag/#/static/termsconditions

[BetcoinCasino]

Hi, sharing a link to our new campaign thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1571148.  This thread will be closed soon. Thank you.

[Digital_Lord]

Hi, sharing a link to our new campaign thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1571148.  This thread will be closed soon. Thank you.

@OP Now kindly lock this thread. lots of spam trolls already have been done here. now you opened another fresh thread for your campaign. so please close this thread. we already frustrated with twitchy litchy pitchy messages.

[Roboabhishek]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1571148.0
OK we got new campaign thread here.
Its self moderated, so it should be a little more clear for us to read.
Already a lot of people interested in joining campaign

Oh wow self moderated topic finally no spam no bs.

[uki]

Well I'm not leaving this campaign    
I'm certainly not going to be scared off by some random guy who threatens to mark my account in red because he believes he is justice incarnate.
Accusations mean nothing unless you're 100% certain and ready to back them up with your life. Like when you see a murder happening a few feet away from you with the faces of the people involved clearly visible as opposed to hearing about a supposedly bearded guy knifing a longish guy with malformed feet from a friend's cousin's girlfriend's aunt.

Thanks for the voice of conscience. I was gonna write the same. This thread was completely destroyed by the guys putting the spamming accusations. No matter if the accusations were valid or not, it was not the thread to discuss it. There are appropriate sections on this forum to put such discussions. Doing otherwise looks like black PR by a competing company.

[game-protect]

1) You're not even a real player; you were banned for TOC violations; you are just a disgruntled lying, shilling, troll.

In what fantasy dream world do you live? Betcoin.ag has no Terms of Service!

Probably not the same world that you guys get your information from that's for sure....here's a little something I brought you from my world however:  https://sports.betcoin.ag/#/static/termsconditions

"Betcoin Sports

We are performing scheduled maintenance, the website will be available shortly"

I have already evidence secured of the fraud. So even if they would now add juridical valid Terms of Service (what I highly doubt), it would remain that they already committed the criminal offense of fraud.

As long as the participants of this scam stay anonym, they can of course state and do whatever they like and without any legal recourse. But just to clarify, the system works based on laws and rules and not based on "thinkings".

[Lutpin]

Thanks for the voice of conscience. I was gonna write the same. This thread was completely destroyed by the guys putting the spamming accusations. No matter if they are valid or not, it was not the thread to discuss it.

It was the only thread betcoin answered to any of this though. If they were communicating about those issues elswhere, there wouldn't have been that sort of "spam" in this thread.
The thing is, they don't. Hence everyone trying to get an answer from betcoin.ag came here.

[uki]

Thanks for the voice of conscience. I was gonna write the same. This thread was completely destroyed by the guys putting the spamming accusations. No matter if they are valid or not, it was not the thread to discuss it.

It was the only thread betcoin answered to any of this though. If they were communicating about those issues elswhere, there wouldn't have been that sort of "spam" in this thread.
The thing is, they don't. Hence everyone trying to get an answer from betcoin.ag came here.

If bitcointalk community is to serve its purposes, among them educational and advisory (against sites scamming users), the users of this forum have to follow some etiquette.  Otherwise it is a complete chaos and misinformation, like it happened in this thread. From a neutral perspective (and understanding your argument about visibility), even the most valid arguments and proofs can be seen as a black PR done by some competing company, if posted with such consistency in the thread about signature campaign. We have in this forum threads about scamming exchanges, websites, etc. and they were perfectly visible and serving their purpose. Why not following that?