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November 08, 2015, 08:27:49 PM
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The newest batch of S7 looks to be it could be undervolted for better efficient power usage.  The A6 needs a controller, worse efficiency and less hash rate...I just don't see how the avalon would be a better choice.  Maybe its a bit quieter...but once you're into this league of miners id think you would have a room dedicated to miners and power hookup.     

If I can add to the negatives list:

1) Claimed MOQ of 10 from blockc (but the order screen will accept an order of one).

2) No tolerances on the efficiency

3) Blockc is not just the US distributor but the "global master distributor (ex China).


On 1 it could be an error.  With stating they will only ship ten there is no guarentee they will ship an order of 1 or if they will do a refund of purchase.

I keep hoping to see the underclock.  I see a picture above anyone got one that had tried any underclocking?   Even a hint of what they can do would be much appreciate.
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November 08, 2015, 08:43:57 PM
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The newest batch of S7 looks to be it could be undervolted for better efficient power usage.  The A6 needs a controller, worse efficiency and less hash rate...I just don't see how the avalon would be a better choice.  Maybe its a bit quieter...but once you're into this league of miners id think you would have a room dedicated to miners and power hookup.     

If I can add to the negatives list:

1) Claimed MOQ of 10 from blockc (but the order screen will accept an order of one).

2) No tolerances on the efficiency

3) Blockc is not just the US distributor but the "global master distributor (ex China).


On 1 it could be an error.  With stating they will only ship ten there is no guarentee they will ship an order of 1 or if they will do a refund of purchase.

I keep hoping to see the underclock.  I see a picture above anyone got one that had tried any underclocking?   Even a hint of what they can do would be much appreciate.

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November 08, 2015, 08:57:42 PM
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The newest batch of S7 looks to be it could be undervolted for better efficient power usage.  The A6 needs a controller, worse efficiency and less hash rate...I just don't see how the avalon would be a better choice.  Maybe its a bit quieter...but once you're into this league of miners id think you would have a room dedicated to miners and power hookup.    

If I can add to the negatives list:

1) Claimed MOQ of 10 from blockc (but the order screen will accept an order of one).

2) No tolerances on the efficiency

3) Blockc is not just the US distributor but the "global master distributor (ex China).


On 1 it could be an error.  With stating they will only ship ten there is no guarentee they will ship an order of 1 or if they will do a refund of purchase.

I keep hoping to see the underclock.  I see a picture above anyone got one that had tried any underclocking?   Even a hint of what they can do would be much appreciate.

One thing I was considering is obviously Avalon know how to build a product and get it to market. Once you have successfully done this on a large scale with a particular product you have the perfect view of your audience. For example, bitmain obviously knows how much they can get away with charging and still sell out of miners every time they put a batch up for sale. This latest batch from bitmain should be priced lower imo and that is why Avalon were high on the 4.1 and will be high priced on the 6. Both companies know they will get it. Delivered to my door for the 4.1 was well more than it should have been, especially considering the price of coin when it hit the street.

As you alluded to, I do make last minute purchases. Fortunately 'fun' is still the biggest concern. But at some point other things will take a priority and people will not continue to gamble. Right now I still see product moving so fast out of bitmain it wouldn't appear they have anything to worry about except making the product consistently good, and most importantly work on their customer service and RMA policies. They have so many pies in the oven they cannot lose. Avalon is easily mining away with data centers, and while not as big as bitmain to the majority of this collective group here on bitcointalk, they are huge in china.

The way they set up this world dealer is interesting. I know we setup another business besides the main business when we began a different product line. That company has the same officers as the "main" one, albeit structured slightly different on paper it is incorporated. This was strictly for liability and tax reasons, it is very common, most businesses do this.

However thinking through what I have been able to find, and reading the history of products and experiences here on the forum, I think they set up global dealership as another pie.
Bitcoin is reaching more people, obviously more first-time miners than ever before. If people think back to their first purchase just finding a website which was legitimate and sold something which was truly current generation may not have been exactly straight-forward.
Everyone make sure they check with avalon to confirm the warranty if they purchase from anywhere except directly from avalon. The bitmain policy is you must go through China for warranty parts. Colorado cannot help. If you purchase a bitmain product anywhere except their official website you must go back to wherever you purchased the miner for warranty support. It doesn't matter what that dealer tells you. They can tell you bitmain is going to warranty everything, but I am telling you from personal experience if you do not get it in writing from the manufacturer directly, you have nothing because bitmain do not care about reputation.
I cannot say if Avalon does, but the way they answer questions, have been on the forum answering questions are good signs.

What I really hope to see is a competition. If the monopolies in bitcoin continue to grow and default in a state of power over the bitcoin economy it will stifle creativity to a halt. It may seem like an odd concept, but when you are cutting the margins and fighting for a sale it takes you out of a comfortable position. As businesses consider the impact they can have on the economy anytime they want to do so. I mean right now, today.
What will that look like in 1 year, 5, 10?
Every action taken today by the manufacturers will resonate in huge waves over the next few years and on, like dropping a stone in a lake. On some small scale that means every purchase we make and every pool we mine on does the same thing.

Lets try to get people involved in a group buy for a batch of Avalons and get the best price we can. Maybe Phil, or Roadstress would host it and we can get a few of something to make a few waves.

Transaction fees go to the pools and the pools decide to pay them to the miners. Anything else, including off-chain solutions are stealing and not the way Bitcoin was intended to function.
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November 08, 2015, 11:06:06 PM
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The newest batch of S7 looks to be it could be undervolted for better efficient power usage.  The A6 needs a controller, worse efficiency and less hash rate...I just don't see how the avalon would be a better choice.  Maybe its a bit quieter...but once you're into this league of miners id think you would have a room dedicated to miners and power hookup.     

If I can add to the negatives list:

1) Claimed MOQ of 10 from blockc (but the order screen will accept an order of one).

2) No tolerances on the efficiency

3) Blockc is not just the US distributor but the "global master distributor (ex China).


On 1 it could be an error.  With stating they will only ship ten there is no guarentee they will ship an order of 1 or if they will do a refund of purchase.

I keep hoping to see the underclock.  I see a picture above anyone got one that had tried any underclocking?   Even a hint of what they can do would be much appreciate.

Only can pay by wire...  Sad
Wait what? BlockC doesn't accept bitcoin? This has to be the dumbest thing ever, why would we want to pay by wire if they want to guarantee funds in fiat they can instant convert.














 

 

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November 08, 2015, 11:34:11 PM
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The newest batch of S7 looks to be it could be undervolted for better efficient power usage.  The A6 needs a controller, worse efficiency and less hash rate...I just don't see how the avalon would be a better choice.  Maybe its a bit quieter...but once you're into this league of miners id think you would have a room dedicated to miners and power hookup.     

If I can add to the negatives list:

1) Claimed MOQ of 10 from blockc (but the order screen will accept an order of one).

2) No tolerances on the efficiency

3) Blockc is not just the US distributor but the "global master distributor (ex China).


On 1 it could be an error.  With stating they will only ship ten there is no guarentee they will ship an order of 1 or if they will do a refund of purchase.

I keep hoping to see the underclock.  I see a picture above anyone got one that had tried any underclocking?   Even a hint of what they can do would be much appreciate.

Only can pay by wire...  Sad
Wait what? BlockC doesn't accept bitcoin? This has to be the dumbest thing ever, why would we want to pay by wire if they want to guarantee funds in fiat they can instant convert.

They do accept BTC and actually prefer it.  I paid half of my order in BTC and the other half in wire.  I have spoke to them multiple times and also with people that have visited their facility.  I must say that my experience with them has been exceptional. 

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November 08, 2015, 11:42:31 PM
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The newest batch of S7 looks to be it could be undervolted for better efficient power usage.  The A6 needs a controller, worse efficiency and less hash rate...I just don't see how the avalon would be a better choice.  Maybe its a bit quieter...but once you're into this league of miners id think you would have a room dedicated to miners and power hookup.     

If I can add to the negatives list:

1) Claimed MOQ of 10 from blockc (but the order screen will accept an order of one).

2) No tolerances on the efficiency

3) Blockc is not just the US distributor but the "global master distributor (ex China).


On 1 it could be an error.  With stating they will only ship ten there is no guarentee they will ship an order of 1 or if they will do a refund of purchase.

I keep hoping to see the underclock.  I see a picture above anyone got one that had tried any underclocking?   Even a hint of what they can do would be much appreciate.

Only can pay by wire...  Sad
Wait what? BlockC doesn't accept bitcoin? This has to be the dumbest thing ever, why would we want to pay by wire if they want to guarantee funds in fiat they can instant convert.

They do accept BTC and actually prefer it.  I paid half of my order in BTC and the other half in wire.  I have spoke to them multiple times and also with people that have visited their facility.  I must say that my experience with them has been exceptional. 

any info on when you get the gear?

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November 09, 2015, 12:38:51 AM
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I will find out tomorrow, i think it arrives to them on or by the 10th so I am hoping I can have it by Friday.

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November 09, 2015, 12:42:04 AM
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I will find out tomorrow, i think it arrives to them on or by the 10th so I am hoping I can have it by Friday.
thanks for update on the timeline

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November 09, 2015, 03:21:54 AM
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I may end up ordering one from the site. Price has a bit of a premium but they do take paypal, so some protection if they never ship me anything.

If I do I will post a review.
Would you be purchasing it mainly for reviewing, or to actually try and turn a profit? If you're looking for a profit, wouldn't purchasing an S7 make more sense? Right now you can purchase a 4.05 TH/s Antminer S7 for 4 BTC (higher hashrate, less cost than the Avalon 6) which would be arriving probably around Christmas time. The site you linked to has no mention of shipping dates. Plus, the S7 is more efficient than the Avalon 6, it seems like an S7 would be a better investment if you're looking to make some money.

For review and just to play with it.

I would do a larger order then just one if its for profit.

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November 14, 2015, 05:44:26 AM
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I would love to know if these can be undervolted in the future I'd really like a couple of these or s7s to just hash at home for a year or so since I live in NZ and doubt I can resell easily.

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November 14, 2015, 10:38:47 AM
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I would love to know if these can be undervolted in the future I'd really like a couple of these or s7s to just hash at home for a year or so since I live in NZ and doubt I can resell easily.

I thought these were string, so you'd need <12V PSUs.

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Can anyone confirm that they are not as noisy as antminers and more like 4.1?

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November 14, 2015, 12:30:51 PM
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I would love to know if these can be undervolted in the future I'd really like a couple of these or s7s to just hash at home for a year or so since I live in NZ and doubt I can resell easily.

I thought these were string, so you'd need <12V PSUs.

Hmm yeah I've been reading up on this. I really don't think I understand what I was trying to ask.

I want to know if they can be under-clocked a little to gain greater efficiency later to keep them worth while running for longer? I am unsure what it means to be in string etc...sorry.


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November 14, 2015, 12:36:18 PM
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Can anyone confirm that they are not as noisy as antminers and more like 4.1?

At stock they are between an S5 and S7.

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November 14, 2015, 03:20:39 PM
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I would love to know if these can be undervolted in the future I'd really like a couple of these or s7s to just hash at home for a year or so since I live in NZ and doubt I can resell easily.

I thought these were string, so you'd need <12V PSUs.

Hmm yeah I've been reading up on this. I really don't think I understand what I was trying to ask.

I want to know if they can be under-clocked a little to gain greater efficiency later to keep them worth while running for longer? I am unsure what it means to be in string etc...sorry.



the 4.1  was software control under volt & down clock

this is   software control down clock and psu control under volt.

here are two links for psu's that should work:

this should do 1 machine  at 2000gh  and  450- 480 watts at 10 volts

https://www.trcelectronics.com/ecomm/pdf/hrp600.pdf

this should be able to do 2 at 2000gh each and 450-480 watts at 10 volts

https://www.trcelectronics.com/ecomm/pdf/rsp1500.pdf


NO PROOF NO TESTS NO REAL KNOWLEDGE   BUT one of the designers said 10 volts is possible.

I own the two psu's and I am waiting to get one of these as I have an interest in running them at 10-10.5 volts.

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I want to know if they can be under-clocked a little to gain greater efficiency later to keep them worth while running for longer? I am unsure what it means to be in string etc...sorry.


 UnderCLOCK does not improve efficiency to any noticeable degree on ASIC Bitcoin mining gear.

 UnderVOLT can do so, for gear that is capable of running undervolt (some S5s for example) OR has undervolt control/capability built in (SP20 for example).


 "String" designs generally have no capability internal to the unit of undervolting - you have to reduse the supply voltage comming from the external power supply, and some string designs will NOT work at all if you undervolt them enough to matter.


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November 14, 2015, 09:20:45 PM
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Can anyone confirm that they are not as noisy as antminers and more like 4.1?

At stock they are between an S5 and S7.

Is that an assumption or you already witnessed the miner hashing? The noise level is the reason I'm actually interested in avalon6.

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November 14, 2015, 11:46:33 PM
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Can anyone confirm that they are not as noisy as antminers and more like 4.1?

At stock they are between an S5 and S7.

Is that an assumption or you already witnessed the miner hashing? The noise level is the reason I'm actually interested in avalon6.


About noise, I just did a short test in my lab. It's ~70db @ 1M, full fan speed (~3800rpm), include
a noisy server PSU. Air in-take temp is ~ 30C, board temp is ~ 72C. Will significantly lower the
noise by lower the fan rpm, but the ambient temperature should be low.

In this design, I leave the fan out of the case, in order to change the fan fast. This is a very important feature for large facilities.

Has an almost-identical-to-the S5-fan, of which the S7 has 2.

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To the electricians out there, I have a question. Smiley

I have three dedicated 10/3 30amp/240v circuits -> L630R -> Tripwire PDU's -> three S7's on each.

Could I safely add three of these and not hit the 80% sag limit for continuous power use? All of the wires are run in open air and are twenty feet from sub-panel to L630R receptacles.

Naturally, I noticed the tuning capability and immediately got interested since I know I have some room to the 80% recommended cap. Granted, my setup is in a side room of a detached garage in Texas. In summer I will use CFM to keep them cool, but I am curious if buying three of them would fill in the gap to 80% and if so what levels could I safely run them at?

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To the electricians out there, I have a question. Smiley

I have three dedicated 10/3 240v circuits -> L630R -> Tripwire PDU's -> three S7's on each.

Could I safely add three of these and not hit the 80% sag limit for continuous power use? All of the wires are run in open air and are twenty feet from sub-panel to L630R receptacles.

Naturally, I noticed the tuning capability and immediately got interested since I know I have some room to the 80% recommended cap. Granted, my setup is in a side room of a detached garage in Texas. In summer I will use CFM to keep them cool, but I am curious if buying three of them would fill in the gap to 80% and if so what levels could I safely run them at?

Thanks in advance!


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so the pdu is at the most 30 amp derate to 24 amp 3 s7's are 15-16 amps  so the pdu has 8 to 9 amps left.

i read this a 3 pdu's  x 3 s7's = 9s7's

each one should be one a 30 amp circuit .

so each pdu has 8 to 9 amps left   1 on each pdu should bring you to  

19-20 amps  ..  that should be under the 24 amp rating.

I think you could do 2 on each pdu which would be right on the line of 24amps.

tiny down clock and you are at 23 amps with each pdu

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