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November 09, 2015, 01:15:10 AM
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As the topic's subject says my question is what happens to the bitcoins that were in deleted wallets? If they just dissapear what will happen when all the bitcoins will be mined? Bitcoins can't be printed out like banknotes isn't it?Smiley)

Hi ChrisPop,

It is a common misconception that Bitcoins actually are stored in your wallet. The coins themselves are actually stored on the blockchain, and each wallet is the key to unlocking your personal stash of wealth. A perfect analogy is that we all belong to the first national bank of blockchain, and each one of us can get a safe deposit box (the wallet). If we want to get inside one of these safe deposit boxes, our wallets needs to generate a key (private key) in order to gain access.

If you delete your key (which is a part of the wallet) the coins are still located at the first national bank of blockchain. But its near impossible to get back into the safe deposit box.


As the topic's subject says my question is what happens to the bitcoins that were in deleted wallets? If they just dissapear what will happen when all the bitcoins will be mined? Bitcoins can't be printed out like banknotes isn't it?Smiley)

http://en.bitcoinwiki.org/Bitcoin_Myths#Lost_coins_can.27t_be_replaced_and_this_is_bad


The whole "everyone's coins goes up in value" argument is silly and at this point a fallacy. In order for this to happen certain criteria need to be met (which non have). And even if these were to happen that doesnt mean everyone's coins naturally increase in value.

1. All Bitcoins needs to be mined
2. All bitcoins need to be actively traded (last I saw, only %30 of coins ever mined are actively traded and are just being recirculated)

Without either or both of these happening, there is near zero effect of Bitcoins value and someone burning their coins. If I had 500,000 Bitcoins today in cold storage, and I secretly burned them, no one would be the wiser therefore price still says the same. That section needs to be removed from myths because it is a myth itself.

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November 09, 2015, 01:37:31 AM
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The chance of lost bitcoins to be found is zero, but who knows maybe there is one day someone is so so so lucky to generate the same private key? Then the bitcoin will become a hidden treasure!
Actually finding the lost bitcoin is pretty easy , you just need some dedication to found it
The hard part is actually finding or generating the private keys, which is zero chances you will do that
I mean, if you have a chance to generate the same private keys as the others, nobody want to use bitcoins
We use them for the anonymity and security Roll Eyes

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November 09, 2015, 07:37:50 AM
Last edit: November 09, 2015, 08:03:41 AM by Amph
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Satoshi has said never delete a wallet .dat

yeah because someone accidentally can send you bitcoin, and you will not be able to retrieve them

or maybe the only collision that will ever happen will happen with one of your address in a deleted wallet, would be hilarious
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November 09, 2015, 09:24:50 AM
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As the topic's subject says my question is what happens to the bitcoins that were in deleted wallets? If they just dissapear what will happen when all the bitcoins will be mined? Bitcoins can't be printed out like banknotes isn't it?Smiley)

About the first question depends what kind of wallet you are talking about. If it is a bitcoin core wallet installed in your compute and you have saved your .dat file you can download a new wallet bitcoin core and replace the .dat file of the last one with the save from you. In this you will have all your bitcoins.

If the bitcoins will in an hard disk and you will destroy it without having any copy your bitcoins are gone forever. If the bitcoins are in a cold storage or in a deep cold storage or any other offline storage and you destroy physically those your bitcoins are again gone forever.

If your bitcoins are in an online wallet that depends from the option offered by every online wallet. I have bitcoin at coinbase for example. This online wallet offer protection from hacking (storing more than 97% of bitcoin offline) or even other protections. I have no knowledge about the other online wallets.

If there are bitcoin destroyed the overall number of those will be less. And yes bitcoin cannot be printed like the banknotes.
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November 09, 2015, 09:38:28 AM
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the wallet will floating around and no one can own it
1 year ago i just suddenly deleted my wallet (containt 0.01 BTC +) and i'm already trying any way to get it back, but nothing as a result

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November 09, 2015, 11:28:44 AM
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It would be interested to know how many bitcoins exactly are lost. I know this is impossible to know, but I bet there was quite a few. It's rather easy to delete a simple file like wallet.dat if you are not careful enough.

Couldn't Satoshi think of some system to report for coins that haven't moved more than a certain amount of time so they get flagged by completely inactive and lost? Just talking from the top of my head here.
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November 09, 2015, 11:53:58 AM
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It would be interested to know how many bitcoins exactly are lost. I know this is impossible to know, but I bet there was quite a few. It's rather easy to delete a simple file like wallet.dat if you are not careful enough.

Couldn't Satoshi think of some system to report for coins that haven't moved more than a certain amount of time so they get flagged by completely inactive and lost? Just talking from the top of my head here.
Some coins are burnt deliberately, example: https://blockchain.info/address/1CounterpartyXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXUWLpVr

I highly doubt it would be accurate. Afterall, those coins rightfully belongs to the owner of the BTC address. It isn't right to reclaim it. Moreover, people can easily use those address as cold storage and not have any transactions with it for extended period of time.


If those wallets are deleted and coins are sent to it, the coins will be gone forever. They can't be reclaimed without a fork but majority of the community probably wouldn't agree to this. To spend those coins, you definitely need the private key. Without it, the nodes would consider it as invalid unless the transactions are signed with an ECDSA signature of the private key.

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