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Rumours of ‘Arab man’ committing murders led to destruction of foreign national-owned shops in Grahamstown

An outbreak of violence against foreign nationals in South Africa has highlighted the government’s failure to get to grips with xenophobia, amid worries that there is more violence to come.

It started, as these things so often do, with a rumour. An “Arab man with a beard” was said to be responsible for a string of murders and mutilations in Grahamstown in the Eastern Cape. It ended with violence and fire and destruction, and an unmistakeable message to foreigners: you are no longer welcome here.

Grahamstown is a quaint, quiet university town, largely unremarkable except for the density of its churches and for the fact its faultlines are so obvious and so often mirror South Africa’s as a whole.

The country’s racial tensions are obvious in Grahamstown’s town planning, where most white people still live in pleasant houses with large gardens, and most black people in the huge neighbouring township with few streetlights and little in the way of running water. Its absurd wealth inequalities are embodied by the distance of a few streets between the professors dining in fancy restaurants and the desperately poor sex workers servicing truck drivers for a few coins.

Now Grahamstown is exposing yet another of South Africa’s dirty secrets, in the way a community turned – brutally and without warning – on the foreign nationals working in its midst, incited by the alleged foreignness of the murder suspect.

A little over two weeks ago, on a Wednesday, a protest by taxi drivers for better roads morphed into a looting spree in which more than 300 shops were targeted, and some burned to the ground.

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/09/south-africa-attacks-migrants-show-failure-stem-racial-tension

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November 09, 2015, 09:45:16 PM
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Rumours of ‘Arab man’ committing murders led to destruction of foreign national-owned shops in Grahamstown

An outbreak of violence against foreign nationals in South Africa has highlighted the government’s failure to get to grips with xenophobia, amid worries that there is more violence to come.

It started, as these things so often do, with a rumour. An “Arab man with a beard” was said to be responsible for a string of murders and mutilations in Grahamstown in the Eastern Cape. It ended with violence and fire and destruction, and an unmistakeable message to foreigners: you are no longer welcome here.

Grahamstown is a quaint, quiet university town, largely unremarkable except for the density of its churches and for the fact its faultlines are so obvious and so often mirror South Africa’s as a whole.

The country’s racial tensions are obvious in Grahamstown’s town planning, where most white people still live in pleasant houses with large gardens, and most black people in the huge neighbouring township with few streetlights and little in the way of running water. Its absurd wealth inequalities are embodied by the distance of a few streets between the professors dining in fancy restaurants and the desperately poor sex workers servicing truck drivers for a few coins.

Now Grahamstown is exposing yet another of South Africa’s dirty secrets, in the way a community turned – brutally and without warning – on the foreign nationals working in its midst, incited by the alleged foreignness of the murder suspect.

A little over two weeks ago, on a Wednesday, a protest by taxi drivers for better roads morphed into a looting spree in which more than 300 shops were targeted, and some burned to the ground.

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/09/south-africa-attacks-migrants-show-failure-stem-racial-tension
So, have you ever been to South Africa?  Because it does not sound like you have....
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November 10, 2015, 02:19:17 AM
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Violence has become a way of life in South Africa, especially in the black majority townships. And this has been going on for ages. Remember the clashes between the ANC and the IFP supporters in 1992 and 1993? The IFP supporters committed several massacres, including the infamous Boipatong massacre. But earlier, the violence was mostly between two political parties. Now it is happening between the South African Blacks and the migrants.

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November 10, 2015, 09:43:15 AM
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if whites had known what would become of their country i wonder if they would have agreed to end apartheid. i have heard from both black and white south africans that things were better 20 years ago.

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November 10, 2015, 09:47:30 AM
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Violence has become a way of life in South Africa, especially in the black majority townships. And this has been going on for ages. Remember the clashes between the ANC and the IFP supporters in 1992 and 1993? The IFP supporters committed several massacres, including the infamous Boipatong massacre. But earlier, the violence was mostly between two political parties. Now it is happening between the South African Blacks and the migrants.
although those acts of violence were committed by black people in both the AFP and the ANC, they were funded and trained by the remaining conservatives of the NP, to demonstrate "the black mans inability to remain civilised "

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November 10, 2015, 12:18:41 PM
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if whites had known what would become of their country i wonder if they would have agreed to end apartheid. i have heard from both black and white south africans that things were better 20 years ago.

That is no reason for the inequality of the apartheid era.
If everybody feels that things were better 20 years ago, nothing stops the same politicians (of 20 years ago) being elected democratically.

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November 10, 2015, 12:30:19 PM
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Violence has become a way of life in South Africa, especially in the black majority townships. And this has been going on for ages. Remember the clashes between the ANC and the IFP supporters in 1992 and 1993? The IFP supporters committed several massacres, including the infamous Boipatong massacre. But earlier, the violence was mostly between two political parties. Now it is happening between the South African Blacks and the migrants.
although those acts of violence were committed by black people in both the AFP and the ANC, they were funded and trained by the remaining conservatives of the NP, to demonstrate "the black mans inability to remain civilised "

Bah.  Even at a bus strop, the blacks group by tribal.  And they won't get on a bus if it is full of a different tribe.  Might well get killed, if they did.
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November 10, 2015, 01:44:24 PM
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That is no reason for the inequality of the apartheid era.
If everybody feels that things were better 20 years ago, nothing stops the same politicians (of 20 years ago) being elected democratically.
everybody doesn't think that, because most blacks are stubborn and stupid

the average south african black has the iq of a 14 year old white child

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November 10, 2015, 04:54:40 PM
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although those acts of violence were committed by black people in both the AFP and the ANC, they were funded and trained by the remaining conservatives of the NP, to demonstrate "the black mans inability to remain civilised "

New conspiracy theory? There is no evidence to prove what you had posted, and no sane person will believe any of it. The real reason for the violence was the decision by the IFP chief Mangosuthu Buthelezi to maintain the KwaZulu homeland as a separate sovereign entity, despite the ANC giving them an ultimatum to merge it with the post-apartheid South Africa. It has nothing to do with the NP.

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November 11, 2015, 10:15:52 AM
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although those acts of violence were committed by black people in both the AFP and the ANC, they were funded and trained by the remaining conservatives of the NP, to demonstrate "the black mans inability to remain civilised "

New conspiracy theory? There is no evidence to prove what you had posted, and no sane person will believe any of it. The real reason for the violence was the decision by the IFP chief Mangosuthu Buthelezi to maintain the KwaZulu homeland as a separate sovereign entity, despite the ANC giving them an ultimatum to merge it with the post-apartheid South Africa. It has nothing to do with the NP.
my history text book believes other wise. and the same argument works for your opinion, what evidence do you have to disprove it

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That is no reason for the inequality of the apartheid era.
If everybody feels that things were better 20 years ago, nothing stops the same politicians (of 20 years ago) being elected democratically.
everybody doesn't think that, because most blacks are stubborn and stupid

the average south african black has the iq of a 14 year old white child
stubborn like yourself ? frankly your iq doesn't sound too high

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November 11, 2015, 10:46:38 AM
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stubborn like yourself ? frankly your iq doesn't sound too high
the average african iq is 70 which in white countries would be considered mentally retarded, sorry that the statistics dont fit in with your political ideology of all races are equal

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stubborn like yourself ? frankly your iq doesn't sound too high
the average african iq is 70 which in white countries would be considered mentally retarded, sorry that the statistics dont fit in with your political ideology of all races are equal
if you give an iq test to a country in which the majority of people are disadvantaged both economically and educationally of course they  will get a low score, if you judge a forest full of finches on how well they can can swim your result wont be very pleasing nor accurate

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if you give an iq test to a country in which the majority of people are disadvantaged both economically and educationally of course they  will get a low score, if you judge a forest full of finches on how well they can can swim your result wont be very pleasing nor accurate
blacks' disadvantagement is a consequence of their low intelligence

each species has things it is good at and things it is not so good at. finches are better at flying than swimming and blacks are better at doing manual work under the direction of higher grade races than trying to run countries and cities for themselves.

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if you give an iq test to a country in which the majority of people are disadvantaged both economically and educationally of course they  will get a low score, if you judge a forest full of finches on how well they can can swim your result wont be very pleasing nor accurate
blacks' disadvantagement is a consequence of their low intelligence

each species has things it is good at and things it is not so good at. finches are better at flying than swimming and blacks are better at doing manual work under the direction of higher grade races than trying to run countries and cities for themselves.

The average IQ of Muslims is also quite low.

Minor note, blacks are neither a "species" or a "genus."

Now, we know that many blacks in sub Saharan Africa are Muslim.

Is the low Iq of Muslims a result of many being blacks, or is the low Iq of blacks due to many of them being Muslim?
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if you give an iq test to a country in which the majority of people are disadvantaged both economically and educationally of course they  will get a low score, if you judge a forest full of finches on how well they can can swim your result wont be very pleasing nor accurate
blacks' disadvantagement is a consequence of their low intelligence

each species has things it is good at and things it is not so good at. finches are better at flying than swimming and blacks are better at doing manual work under the direction of higher grade races than trying to run countries and cities for themselves.

The average IQ of Muslims is also quite low.

Minor note, blacks are neither a "species" or a "genus."

Now, we know that many blacks in sub Saharan Africa are Muslim.

Is the low Iq of Muslims a result of many being blacks, or is the low Iq of blacks due to many of them being Muslim?
neither, your IQ isnt dependent on your race, clearly shown by this thread

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The average IQ of Muslims is also quite low.

Minor note, blacks are neither a "species" or a "genus."

Now, we know that many blacks in sub Saharan Africa are Muslim.

Is the low Iq of Muslims a result of many being blacks, or is the low Iq of blacks due to many of them being Muslim?
it is likely due to being black, since other varieties of muslims have managed to build higher level civilsations than them ,although these are not close to european standards

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The average IQ of Muslims is also quite low.

Minor note, blacks are neither a "species" or a "genus."

Now, we know that many blacks in sub Saharan Africa are Muslim.

Is the low Iq of Muslims a result of many being blacks, or is the low Iq of blacks due to many of them being Muslim?
it is likely due to being black, since other varieties of muslims have managed to build higher level civilsations than them ,although these are not close to european standards
I don't have time to look it up right now, but I saw a scientific article a while back that attributed lower Muslim IQ at least in large part to iodine deficiencies.  For the areas looked at - again, just going from memory here - they would have been largely "white."
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I don't have time to look it up right now, but I saw a scientific article a while back that attributed lower Muslim IQ at least in large part to iodine deficiencies.  For the areas looked at - again, just going from memory here - they would have been largely "white."
rule of thumb is the darker the stupider

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US millionaire extends migrant rescue mission to Turkey and Greece

Charity to operate second boat in eastern Mediterranean as growing numbers of refugees drown in stormier seas


An American millionaire has launched a private rescue mission in the eastern Mediterranean Sea in an attempt to save the lives of a still-increasing number of refugees and migrants sailing from Turkey to Greece.

The Migrant Offshore Aid Station (Moas), a charity founded and run by Chris Catrambone, an American entrepreneur, already runs a rescue mission off the coast of Libya, and will now operate a second boat in waters between the Turkish coastline and the Greek islands of Lesbos, Chios and Samos. The ship’s two speedboats will be named after the two Syrian children, Aylan and Galip Kurdi, whose deaths in early September sparked international outrage.

Several hundred thousand refugees, mainly Syrian and Afghan, have crossed this stretch of the Aegean Sea this year, and a rising number are now drowning due to the stormier weather conditions. A record 3,460 migrants have died in the Mediterranean so far in 2015, roughly 450 of whom drowned in the Aegean, according to figures supplied by the UN refugee agency.

Explaining the decision, the charity’s director, Martin Xuereb, said: “As long as people are crossing for one reason or other, there needs to be an asset there that mitigates loss of life at sea. We’re not saying that saving lives will solve the issue of migration, we know it’s much more complex than that. But we’re there to look after the individuals or groups who feel they have no other option to take to boats whether it’s the central Mediterranean [north of Libya], or the Aegean.”

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/11/us-millionaire-chris-catrambone-migrant-rescue-mission-turkey-greece

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