Comparing Military Capabilities of US/Russia/China

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[Gronthaing]

China's manpower is amazing. Potential manpower that is. But they lag behind in technology. And training, research, combat experience, etc. Shows especially in airpower but other areas too. And they don't have ways to project their military power too far. Only one carrier. Not many transport aircraft considering the size of their military. And few personnel carriers. It will take some time before they can use their military effectively if they have to.

[vero]

If we look at the current events happening WAR these days is not about to countries going head to head, The US will have the United Nations backing them although some will agree that the US has not always been right in there actions before, and should not have gone to war for certain reasons but for this instance if we take out the help of other counties and the right and wrong of what is transpiring at present the US would win but they will be swift they are now mastered tactical advantages with there current technology and they also have seasoned personal who are capable of moving quickly and accurately.

[bryant.coleman]

China's manpower is amazing. Potential manpower that is. But they lag behind in technology. And training, research, combat experience, etc. Shows especially in airpower but other areas too. And they don't have ways to project their military power too far. Only one carrier. Not many transport aircraft considering the size of their military. And few personnel carriers. It will take some time before they can use their military effectively if they have to.

In the 21st century, having an infinite pool of potential soldiers will definitely give an advantage to a fighting side, but it will not guarantee a certain victory. But the big question is whether they have that advantage or not. Ageing has been a big problem with China recently, with their birth rate dipping below that of Russia. And I am not too sure about the capabilities of their aircraft carrier (Liaoning / Varyag).

[Gronthaing]

And I am not too sure about the capabilities of their aircraft carrier (Liaoning / Varyag).

You're right. I remember the news when it was commissioned. It's a training ship rebuilt from an old soviet hull. One of several china bought. If I'm not mistaken 1 or 2 more should be finished soon right? Indigenous, not just refitted. Don't know what their role will be though.

[mearylll]

Hi

I still think the usa has the best military in the world. It will still win against any nation. Not to forget it can surely rely on others for support, eg uk, australia etc

Thanks

[galdur]

Comparing military capabilities is pretty pointless if you exclude missiles, nuclear and conventional. Also; having lots of gear isn´t enough, you also need motivated and capable manpower. The U.S. military is great at blowing up opponents that can´t really defend themselves. But that seems to be about it. They retreat in pretty good order from the ruins later, though.

 So; I´d have to be doubtful that they´d have much success in conventional warfare against Russia and China.

[Pro Gamers]

And also tactics has more lots to do when it comes to war. A brilliant general can command their army to the victory. No doubt us and russia have more experience on to real action.

[galdur]

If you´re going into prolonged conventional warfare against opponents that can defend themselves and bite
back you´ll need a massive industrial base to replenish the losses in materiel. And the U.S. is seriously lacking there. Aircraft carriers on the bottom of the sea aren´t going to be replaced just like that. As for the manpower to replace human losses, well look around you. 120 million fit for military service? I don´t think so.

[bryant.coleman]

If I'm not mistaken 1 or 2 more should be finished soon right? Indigenous, not just refitted. Don't know what their role will be though.

I think the PLAN is currently constructing an aircraft carrier, and it might be entering the service by 2018 or 2019. That said, aircraft carriers are obsolete now. A single ballistic missile (costing $10 million or $20 million) can destroy an entire aircraft carrier, which can cost as much as $5 billion to build. That is the reason why the Russians are not building any of them.

[MRKLYE]

The americans for sure hold air superiority and in this day and age that is basically a nail in the coffin for any opposing faction.

However, the sheer manpower china possesses is pretty scary, They heavily out weigh the Americans in amount of people they could arm and deploy hands down. As much as i do not like actual war I would be interested is seeing simulations on if USA and China decided to go at one anothers throats via military means.
 

[galdur]

There is a very good reason why there are no missiles and systems associated with that in that military gear comparison in the OP. At this point in time it´s  possible that a B-2 bomber could be relatively safe over Russia or China as long as its bomb bay doors stay closed but even that may not be enough. Things have been moving very fast in missile technology. As for aircraft carriers, I doubt that they´d leave harbor in an all out war except maybe as part of some last resort measures.

[criptix]

If I'm not mistaken 1 or 2 more should be finished soon right? Indigenous, not just refitted. Don't know what their role will be though.

I think the PLAN is currently constructing an aircraft carrier, and it might be entering the service by 2018 or 2019. That said, aircraft carriers are obsolete now. A single ballistic missile (costing $10 million or $20 million) can destroy an entire aircraft carrier, which can cost as much as $5 billion to build. That is the reason why the Russians are not building any of them.

the missile would never hit the carrier.

a carrier is always on tour in a battlegroup which consist of missiles cruisers,  warships, destroyers, frigates and submarines and their main goal is to defend the carrier.

such a battlegroup has water and air superiority in a range of around 500+ km.

the only thing i know of which could possibly down a carrier in a battlegroup are the latest state of the art aip submarines like the german U212 or U-216

@russian carrier

they dont only cost billions to build but also hundreds of millions per year to maintain.
it is just too expensive for russia.

[galdur]

Take a break from Pentagon/presstitute lah lah land fantasies and do some reading on Chinese anti-ship missile DF-21 and hypersonic missiles in general. Again, there´s  a reason why missiles are missing from that propaganda in the OP.

[galdur]

As for wonderland defence; in 2006 a Song class Chinese sub surfaced just two miles from a U.S. Aircraft carrier, right amongst the carrier group. And it´s anybody´s guess the number of such instances we don´t hear about. If it was war, that carrier is stone dead.

[jaylin]

I think Chinese have such little military power compared to the power they seem to project to the rest of the world. Manpower is there tho!

[criptix]

Take a break from Pentagon/presstitute lah lah land fantasies and do some reading on Chinese anti-ship missile DF-21 and hypersonic missiles in general. Again, there´s  a reason why missiles are missing from that propaganda in the OP.

can you please explain how the system works and what advantages it has and if there are possible counter measures?

As for wonderland defence; in 2006 a Song class Chinese sub surfaced just two miles from a U.S. Aircraft carrier, right amongst the carrier group. And it´s anybody´s guess the number of such instances we don´t hear about. If it was war, that carrier is stone dead.

didnt i just talk about AIP submarines? the song class is not the newest model but still a high quality aip diesel submarine.
(chinese have even better submarines)
seems not that im the shill for some wonderland here.


something like this happens quite often if it is a aip submarine attacking.
there are a lot of nato exercises where such things happened and also the us navy leased a aip submarine from norway to exactly train against it.
so far it seems that the us navy has a lot of trouble against aip submarines.

[galdur]

I´m not sure how you defend against something traveling at Mach-10 and probably even faster in a few years. Not to mention that your defences would probably be jammed anyway.

Anyway; those carrier groups are great against opponents that can´t defend themselves and as a warning against others that can´t defend themselves. So, they´ve been used as tools of coercion and extortion around the world, which is their main purpose. They wouldn´t last long in a full-fledged war with opponents with modern missile and submarine technology which is why they´d be in port out of harm´s way.

[criptix]

http://nationalinterest.org/feature/should-america-fear-chinas-carrier-killer-missile-11321

this was quite an interesting read that gives details about technical and strategic elements of the df21d

[Balthazar]

3M-54 Klub is sufficient to get rid of carriers.