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November 14, 2015, 04:43:26 PM
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I noticed recently many users bought a 0.0301btc pdf ebook from a legendary user from default trust for positive trust

users profile
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=65317


after he started giving positive trust to users who buy his guide many users bought this guide in last 1 month to get positive trust
its like you can easily buy trust for just 0.0301BTC


check trust sent by this user in last 1 month for his coin making guide
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=65317


write your thoughts  Wink

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Update:

A user asked to buy his guide after i made this thread (check post time and time of this thread)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1089977.msg12973796#msg12973796

he bought, written a review like others did and Wow finally he got his positive feedback for just 0.0301btc

look how easy it is
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November 14, 2015, 04:45:29 PM
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Not sure what to think of this. I mean yeah, in an ideal world positive trust would only and only be acquired through acting good, doing good contributions and whatnot, but it's a free market after all, if the want to buy trust then what we do about it.

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November 14, 2015, 04:57:11 PM
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You may have a point there but each positive trusts defers from another one even if it came from someone of a default trust ...in this case it's for buying the PDF book he offers and it can't be used as for scamming someone in the future (or I might be wrong), the thing is it's not easy to judge as he must be really pleased with his buyers due to a pleasant transaction and therefore he has the right to leave those feed backs in return for the sell of the PDF as he wishes

 
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November 14, 2015, 05:42:26 PM
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I'll post here since I'm one who bought the ebook from bigtimespaghetti, but not to "farm" trust.

He can make the trust rating neutral on me, it'll be fine. Getting that trust wasn't my intention. In fact, it'll probably be a good idea if he changes those trust ratings to neutral on everyone who bought it.

P.S. Great ebook.

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November 14, 2015, 05:50:23 PM
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I'll post here since I'm one who bought the ebook from bigtimespaghetti, but not to "farm" trust.

He can make the trust rating neutral on me, and I'll be indifferent. Getting that trust wasn't my intention. In fact, it'll probably be a good idea if he changes those trust ratings to neutral on everyone who bought it.

P.S. Great ebook.
yes, neutral rating is fine
i remember when sebastianju was asked to change all positive ratings given by him to neutral one because many users started using his service just for positive trust
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November 14, 2015, 06:09:33 PM
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This is one of the problems I see with the trust system sometimes. If it's a one-off purchase for such a small amount (here it's under $10, come on), for something as insignificant as an eBook, where the user also went first...that doesn't warrant positive trust, you don't actually trust them highly due to that, do you?

That doesn't mean you need to even trade with someone to trust them, but just because you did a damn sale to them where they went first for a pittance anyway doesn't mean you need to give them positive trust.

 
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November 14, 2015, 06:14:08 PM
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For reference his sole trustee is escrow.ms. Generally I don't think this is a good idea for small trades as it ends up with the SebJu or (half of the) CITM situation where people do business with them in order to get positive trust ratings.

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November 14, 2015, 06:20:43 PM
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I'm glad that this is actually being seen and caught by the community, at least, so a stop can be put to it quickly. Way before CITM got removed from depth 1 I pointed out multiple times the absolutely ridiculous trust list he had and it still took a veeeery long time for people to catch on. That has to change.

If someone is seen doing stuff like that, they should be told to stop, and if they don't stop, they should be removed from DT. Simple.

 
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November 14, 2015, 06:41:36 PM
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For reference his sole trustee is escrow.ms. Generally I don't think this is a good idea for small trades as it ends up with the SebJu or (half of the) CITM situation where people do business with them in order to get positive trust ratings.

I was the one who suggested the use of all my sales SebastianJu because his service was the cheapest. I have sales with SebastianJu escrow ower 50 BTC and before I bought with him escrow for 20 BTC.

But I wonder , that  the  abuser from forum trust system here - dogie-  takes the word.
He has left me already 2 times negative comment and I have not had any transactions with him.

So , abuse  is normal, and give feedback from purchase 10 USD e-book is not ?

Can I buy a book now? Should I beg seller not to leave feedback?



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November 14, 2015, 06:55:44 PM
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You may have a point there but each positive trusts defers from another one even if it came from someone of a default trust ...in this case it's for buying the PDF book he offers and it can't be used as for scamming someone in the future (or I might be wrong), the thing is it's not easy to judge as he must be really pleased with his buyers due to a pleasant transaction and therefore he has the right to leave those feed backs in return for the sell of the PDF as he wishes

Unfortunately because the trust system is complicated several persons don't fully understand it and just see a green profile as trusted. That along with the fact a single trusted positive feedback can make an account green (after several months) means DT members must be especially careful when leaving trust.

I agree with OP, DiamondCardz and others here that this shouldn't continue. A neutral feedback mentioning how easy the trade went would be enough, unless he really trusts them for some other reason. I hope bigtimespaghetti (or escrow.ms) will correct that soon.

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For reference his sole trustee is escrow.ms.

And, ironically, they don't appear to have traded with each other, according to left feedback.
That implies that escrow.ms has specifically added BTSpagetti to his trust list, presumably realizing that this would give his left feedback added weight.
Bigtimespaghetti seems like a completely uptogether member of the community and a good guy, but +1 from me to this

This is one of the problems I see with the trust system sometimes. If it's a one-off purchase for such a small amount (here it's under $10, come on), for something as insignificant as an eBook, where the user also went first...that doesn't warrant positive trust, you don't actually trust them highly due to that, do you?

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November 14, 2015, 08:53:34 PM
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So , abuse  is normal, and give feedback from purchase 10 USD e-book is not ?
You dedicate your time, trolling, posts and signature to me. I asked you to stop, you didn't. I left you a neutral trust, you left me a neutral trust accusing me of all kinds of things including obscenities, which I took to mean you were at the least quick to fly off the handle. I believe people of such deposition are more likely to have problem transactions and so escalated my trust rating.

I even drafted a PM to send you in the morning a few days ago to work it out, to come online to find you'd proliferated more stuff about me. You made your own bed and only you can unmake it.


That implies that escrow.ms has specifically added BTSpagetti to his trust list, presumably realizing that this would give his left feedback added weight.
Its most likely innocent as the trust ratings were recent. Its possible that spaghetti doesn't even know he's in DT and so hasn't altered his 'transaction log-esque' ways. Has anyone actually PM'ed them?

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What people seem to not understand is that the trust system is nota trade feedback system, it is a system in which users are suppose to vouch (to an extent) for other users's trustworthiness. When you give positive trust to someone you are in effect saying that you believe they are trustworthy.

In any one specific case, it may or may not be appropriate to give positive trust after a micro-trade, however as a general rule you should not (a potential reason why someone might want to leave positive trust after a micro-trade would be if the person previously was thought to be trust worthy to the person leaving the trust).

It seems this is one more example as to when someone does not understand when it is appropriate to leave trust (and the fact that someone is in the DT network does not change when someone should leave trust -- it does affect more people when someone on DT leaves trust when they should not) 

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November 14, 2015, 09:13:35 PM
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I think that you are overemphasised feedback from DT,  I do not come never to mind to pay for it $10,
If you have postiv feedback  with reference to $10 deal, that means you trust not more as $10, regardless of what is left
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It's sad to see that he hast left many users a positive feedback for just buying his book. There are many users her who have forced me to send them a feedback just because they traded with me and I had to literally tell a person that it was not trade for earning trust (even though my ratings don't matter at all). Seeing DT members doing this is a shame. Any user can misuse the rating he/she gets.

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So , abuse  is normal, and give feedback from purchase 10 USD e-book is not ?
You dedicate your time, trolling, posts and signature to me. I asked you to stop, you didn't. I left you a neutral trust, you left me a neutral trust accusing me of all kinds of things including obscenities, which I took to mean you were at the least quick to fly off the handle. I believe people of such deposition are more likely to have problem transactions and so escalated my trust rating.

I even drafted a PM to send you in the morning a few days ago to work it out, to come online to find you'd proliferated more stuff about me. You made your own bed and only you can unmake it.


That implies that escrow.ms has specifically added BTSpagetti to his trust list, presumably realizing that this would give his left feedback added weight.
Its most likely innocent as the trust ratings were recent. Its possible that spaghetti doesn't even know he's in DT and so hasn't altered his 'transaction log-esque' ways. Has anyone actually PM'ed them?
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November 14, 2015, 10:13:18 PM
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I noticed recently many users bought a 0.0301btc pdf ebook from a legendary user from default trust for positive trust

users profile
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=65317

after he started giving positive trust to users who buy his guide many users bought this guide in last 1 month to get positive trust
its like you can easily buy trust for just 0.0301BTC

check trust sent by this user in last 1 month for his coin making guide
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=65317

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Ok bigtimespaghetti has left positive trust for whoever buys his book same as I have for whoever I trade with big and small. At the end of the day its not a crime and if we've had successful trades with people for whatever amount we should be able to leave positive trust.

It's up to individuals on here to asses and judge another member before trading and implement precautionary measures while trading to safeguard their purchases.

Lets be fair there are loads of scammers on here from newbies up to much higher levels usually using purchased accounts. Using due diligence and common sense will prevent anyone from being scammed, simple as.

The bigger problem here is allowing bitcointalk accounts to be bought and sold on this forum. Most people will say its for signature campaigns, I agree somewhat but it also invites the possibility of a scam.

Lets not jump all over bigtimespaghettis back for leaving positive trust for a few people that have bought his ebook. He's a good guy and should be treated as one.

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November 14, 2015, 10:29:41 PM
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I will not argue  more with  liar like you are.

Then you will have no problem staying away from me, not derailing threads just because I'm involved with them and making up knowingly false accusations in order to blackmail companies.

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November 14, 2015, 10:35:19 PM
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amount paid doesnt matter

actually, you dont even need to trade with the person at all to give the positive trust
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November 14, 2015, 10:39:46 PM
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amount paid doesnt matter

actually, you dont even need to trade with the person at all to give the positive trust

That's not the point, I addressed this earlier. No, you don't need to trade with someone at all...but if you've never interacted with them before and all they did was buy a $10 eBook off of you? That doesn't mean you'd trust them financially or just generally trust them, does it?

 
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