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November 17, 2015, 05:04:41 AM Last edit: November 17, 2015, 01:50:32 PM by Inno_ASIC |
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Innosilicon, the world renowned creator of the 28nm A2 Terminator, the most successful LTC miner with over 60% market share, is announcing today the availability of the next generation 14nm ASIC code-named A4 Dominator. This is a full custom design with a tremendous focus on efficiency, providing an incredible 1.2W/Mhs in a DCDC less daisy chain configuration. Available as both an ASIC and a complete miner, nothing can touch the A4 Dominator, and it is going to stay that way for quite some time to come! A4 Dominator ASIC & Miner Specifications:- A4 ASIC: 3Mhs per chip at 3.6W nominal, support DCDC less PCB
- Extreme Low Power: daisy chained ASIC running at 0.7V, only in 14nm
- Miner Performance: 600Mhs from 720W at the Wall or 850Mhs from 1020W
- PSU Requirements: common PCI-E 8Pins/6+2Pins with 12V output
- Included: Raspberry Pi running the most user friendly A2 terminator Software
Since the A4 Dominator is designed & taped-out in the worlds most advanced 14nm process, with 60% greater efficiency over any 28nm node, and our initial MPW chip/miner will be available soon, we are now entering the next round of full mask mass production with trusted partners. This provides an incredible opportunity to win in this huge market, for the foreseeable future, with zero risk. We also have production partners lined up for this A4 ASIC if you are looking for the finished miners. 14nm provides the pinnacle in LTC miner efficiency, with no better technology supplanting it in the foreseeable future. Good news for this partnership round: we have opened our A4 ASIC/Miner production to committed partners in order to share in both the cost and the profit. Anyone who commits $1.5 million to this partnership will get to share our ASIC production masks or purchase miners “at cost” for your mining farms. We have fully de-risked the design by shouldering all the R&D and MPW costs for the testchips. Also, we will showcase our testchip and test miners in couple of months to demonstrate the A4’s unsurpassable efficiency. We need only 4 to 5 partners to participate in this incredible risk free win-win partnership round. This is the best ever opportunity to secure the world’s most profitable mining ASIC/Machines for the years to come. Further details will be available in the, limited member, partnership meeting. For parties with genuine interest, please email us today at sales@innosilicon.com or Skype at: Inno.miner. Thank you all for your support and attention. A4 belongs to all of you. After the A4 Dominator comes out, we will offer a A2 Terminator and Farmboy miner replacement program so that our loyal customers can continue to benefit. The A4 Dominator will continue the A2 Terminator legacy in serving our mining community! Thank you. Innosilicon Marketing www.innosilicon.com
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Chronikka
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November 17, 2015, 05:14:59 AM |
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Well this makes older zeus and gridseed units obsolete. What happened to A3?
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November 17, 2015, 02:13:31 PM |
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Well this makes older zeus and gridseed units obsolete. What happened to A3? Good question! A3 is actually gonna be a replacement of A1, and will be rolled out at the same time with A4. So A3 and A4 share the same roll out time, and A3 will have sub 0.2w/gh btc mining performance.
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November 18, 2015, 04:22:06 AM |
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Good question! A3 is actually gonna be a replacement of A1, and will be rolled out at the same time with A4. So A3 and A4 share the same roll out time, and A3 will have sub 0.2w/gh btc mining performance.
So when are you projecting that you'll start selling these? Since you've finished taping it out the part, that would make me think it's in the 3-6 month timeframe...
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locohammerhead
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November 19, 2015, 02:39:38 PM |
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I will be following this for sure. I have the A2 Term and have been very happy with it. I havnt trusted other manufacturers enough to cough up the money for them. This might be worth it though. Can you explain how the A2 replacement program will work and how much I will have to pay in order to get the A4?
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November 19, 2015, 03:55:26 PM |
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As the *unofficial* tweaker of your A2 software ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=672969.0) and hardware my experience with is very positive. The hardware is very sturdy, well build, tweakable, and very hard to break (unless you mess up while modding the hardware, but than that is my fault ofcourse ). I would love to test one of your new A4 miners and write an extensive review about them. I think my reputation on the A2 miner hardware and software would add value to your brand and the new A4's. Maybe we can work something out?
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November 22, 2015, 11:52:48 PM |
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cant wait to get one. hopefully soon not end of next year lol
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November 23, 2015, 10:00:33 AM |
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Missing the most important information.
Price.
If this is another "introduce at $9995" miner design it's not gonna sell worth beans.
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November 24, 2015, 08:55:23 AM |
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Missing the most important information.
Price.
If this is another "introduce at $9995" miner design it's not gonna sell worth beans.
Price and where to get it. I'm guessing it will be a re-seller in us. But still great news as far as scrypt I hope it's fair priced as I really want to get back into LTC some more.
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November 24, 2015, 02:38:55 PM |
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this look very nice by a efficency point of view, 120watt for 100mega is beautiful, almost everyone can make profit with this, it will be overpriced rest assured
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November 24, 2015, 07:02:12 PM |
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this look very nice by a efficency point of view, 120watt for 100mega is beautiful, almost everyone can make profit with this, it will be overpriced rest assured
Everyone can make a profit with it until everyone has one. LOL
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locohammerhead
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November 24, 2015, 10:58:29 PM |
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Missing the most important information.
Price.
If this is another "introduce at $9995" miner design it's not gonna sell worth beans.
I agree the market can't handle another 10 grand miner.
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November 25, 2015, 08:55:52 AM |
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Forgot the other important question.
WHEN is it going to be available?
I'd guess that might still be up in the air a bit though....
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November 25, 2015, 12:57:56 PM |
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this look very nice by a efficency point of view, 120watt for 100mega is beautiful, almost everyone can make profit with this, it will be overpriced rest assured
Everyone can make a profit with it until everyone has one. LOL yeah lol you're right, it's important to be the first to have one here, because you have something like 1 month before everyone else will be a owner also
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November 27, 2015, 02:20:47 AM |
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Good question! A3 is actually gonna be a replacement of A1, and will be rolled out at the same time with A4. So A3 and A4 share the same roll out time, and A3 will have sub 0.2w/gh btc mining performance.
So when are you projecting that you'll start selling these? Since you've finished taping it out the part, that would make me think it's in the 3-6 month timeframe... With all investment ready, miners will be mass production in 3 months.
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November 27, 2015, 07:15:07 AM |
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I will be following this for sure. I have the A2 Term and have been very happy with it. I havnt trusted other manufacturers enough to cough up the money for them. This might be worth it though. Can you explain how the A2 replacement program will work and how much I will have to pay in order to get the A4?
Thanks for your trust and support! A2 replacement program means that we will give a discount to previous A2 user that we have record of. Detailed information will be provided after official product release, but there will be a promotion program for A2 user specifically at that point. A4 price is not determined yet and will be discussed internally among the partnership round, it may be roughly similar price as current A2.
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November 27, 2015, 07:24:00 AM |
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Why you don't made collocation service include hosting?
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November 27, 2015, 06:57:47 PM |
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Why you don't made collocation service include hosting?
LOL -- are you asking for another ponzi scheme?
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November 27, 2015, 08:54:28 PM |
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Why you don't made collocation service include hosting?
LOL -- are you asking for another ponzi scheme? what do u mean by "another ponzi scheme" ?
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hdmediaservices
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November 27, 2015, 09:00:51 PM |
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Why you don't made collocation service include hosting?
LOL -- are you asking for another ponzi scheme? what do u mean by "another ponzi scheme" ? Seriously? After all of the scams that have happened? You don't see the possibility of potential abuse if there was a "collocation service?"
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November 29, 2015, 06:19:11 PM |
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Why you don't made collocation service include hosting?
LOL -- are you asking for another ponzi scheme? what do u mean by "another ponzi scheme" ? Seriously? After all of the scams that have happened? You don't see the possibility of potential abuse if there was a "collocation service?" Yes, seriously, this is about Innosilicon, who are in the game from a very long time, delivered on time, legit, not one single complain to them; so than again, i ask you, what do u mean by "another ponzi scheme" ? PS : u might be new to the game and dont know what u are talking about too ...
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November 29, 2015, 11:03:17 PM |
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There's obviously no reason to waste anymore time on this.
Several highly regarded companies (at the time) -- screwed their customers in the end. No one will know right now - but people should always make good and safe decisions (although most won't).
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December 02, 2015, 03:13:17 AM |
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any word on chip package, same interface, be cool if it was all the same as A2 , drop in replacement with a little regulator adjustment.
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December 02, 2015, 10:40:19 PM |
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Also interested in this product, keep me updated
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December 04, 2015, 05:10:59 AM |
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I don't have $1.5MIL, but I'm listening. Can you PM me a newsletter on progress?
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December 13, 2015, 12:49:48 PM |
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+1
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December 17, 2015, 11:06:36 PM |
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For users interested in collaborating in an investment, hit me up on PM. I'm attempting to raise funding to procure hardware.
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January 02, 2016, 12:35:29 AM |
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Anymore news on this? Would like to know the cost!
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February 08, 2016, 02:10:30 PM |
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time to sell Knc Titan?
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February 10, 2016, 12:54:14 AM |
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I will be following this for sure. I have the A2 Term and have been very happy with it. I havnt trusted other manufacturers enough to cough up the money for them. This might be worth it though. Can you explain how the A2 replacement program will work and how much I will have to pay in order to get the A4?
Thanks for your trust and support! A2 replacement program means that we will give a discount to previous A2 user that we have record of. Detailed information will be provided after official product release, but there will be a promotion program for A2 user specifically at that point. A4 price is not determined yet and will be discussed internally among the partnership round, it may be roughly similar price as current A2. As an extremely satisfied customer I am very happy to hear about this new miner and discount for supporters of your products. Looking forward to purchasing an A4 as soon as it becomes available!
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February 10, 2016, 07:41:20 AM |
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All factors considered, I'd BET that one of Innosilicon's partners on this will be Zoomhash.
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February 12, 2016, 03:23:44 PM |
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Why you don't made collocation service include hosting?
LOL -- are you asking for another ponzi scheme? what do u mean by "another ponzi scheme" ? Seriously? After all of the scams that have happened? You don't see the possibility of potential abuse if there was a "collocation service?" Yes, seriously, this is about Innosilicon, who are in the game from a very long time, delivered on time, legit, not one single complain to them; so than again, i ask you, what do u mean by "another ponzi scheme" ? PS : u might be new to the game and dont know what u are talking about too ... You know like ltcgear Best Regards d57heinz
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carlosmnk
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February 17, 2016, 07:28:16 PM |
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I have a lot interest to know how goes the A4 project, when will be released?
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wolverine5pl
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March 16, 2016, 05:32:08 PM |
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ANy update? So i know when to sell my titan:P
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March 30, 2016, 08:38:05 PM |
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http://www.innosilicon.com/html/news/13.htmlSome news? any release date? Prices? I read somewhere there will be an upgrade for A2 owners...
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April 14, 2016, 01:59:36 PM |
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ANy update? So i know when to sell my titan:P
I also own a few titans, don't be so hasty, wait for the price announcement
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check their annoucment on their website. everyone is selling their titans on ebay now. http://www.innosilicon.com/html/news/13.htmlA4 Dominator ASIC & Miner Specifications: A4 Miner: 400Mhs per 1KW power supply in one standard miner box A4 ASIC: 3.5Mhs per chip performance at 2.5W/MHs nominal, see tables below on modes Extreme Low Power: ASIC with large memory running at single rail 0.6V One Start and New PCB: eliminate the need of DC-DC components and enable 14 to 20 A4 chips running off the single 12V DC supply PSU Requirements: common PCI-E 8Pins/6+2Pins with 12V output Included: Raspberry Pi running the most user friendly A2 terminator Software Server Grid Reliability: Built-in high-procession temperature sensor for automatic chip protection and variable frequency operation to maximize chip life time A4 Miner: 400Mhs per 1KW - makes me supprised earlier they said: A4 Dominator ASIC & Miner Specifications: A4 ASIC: 3Mhs per chip at 3.6W nominal, support DCDC less PCB Miner Performance: 600Mhs from 720W at the Wall or 850Mhs from 1020W so question is are we gonna get 850 per 1020w as promised in first annoucment or 400 at 1kw as latest what you think?
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April 15, 2016, 12:09:45 AM |
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check their annoucment on their website. everyone is selling their titans on ebay now. http://www.innosilicon.com/html/news/13.htmlA4 Dominator ASIC & Miner Specifications: A4 Miner: 400Mhs per 1KW power supply in one standard miner box A4 ASIC: 3.5Mhs per chip performance at 2.5W/MHs nominal, see tables below on modes Extreme Low Power: ASIC with large memory running at single rail 0.6V One Start and New PCB: eliminate the need of DC-DC components and enable 14 to 20 A4 chips running off the single 12V DC supply PSU Requirements: common PCI-E 8Pins/6+2Pins with 12V output Included: Raspberry Pi running the most user friendly A2 terminator Software Server Grid Reliability: Built-in high-procession temperature sensor for automatic chip protection and variable frequency operation to maximize chip life time A4 Miner: 400Mhs per 1KW - makes me supprised earlier they said: A4 Dominator ASIC & Miner Specifications: A4 ASIC: 3Mhs per chip at 3.6W nominal, support DCDC less PCB Miner Performance: 600Mhs from 720W at the Wall or 850Mhs from 1020W so question is are we gonna get 850 per 1020w as promised in first annoucment or 400 at 1kw as latest what you think? Heh not selling my paid for Roi titans at the above specs a 350 mh 1250w Titan can run just fine with that pack so no need for more $$$ out. Also new equip for scrypt coin would likely inspire confidence on ltc and all scrypt prices would go up. Win/Win imho.
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April 15, 2016, 07:26:05 AM |
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Same reason I'm not selling my A2s yet. They'll be profitable for quite a lot of difficulty increase - and depending on the price the A4 stuff finally gets released at, diff increase to the point of making my A2s unprofitable might take months or even a couple years.
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Same reason I'm not selling my A2s yet. They'll be profitable for quite a lot of difficulty increase - and depending on the price the A4 stuff finally gets released at, diff increase to the point of making my A2s unprofitable might take months or even a couple years.
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I'm in A2 miners, not Alchminers - but from the reviews I've seen the two were very similar on efficiency, depending on how hard you pushed each one more than anything else.
Titans do beat both on efficiency - but the A2 was definitely a TON more reliable, and from what I've seen the Alcheminer was probably more reliable as well (Titans have been widely reported to have cores die a LOT).
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I'm in A2 miners, not Alchminers - but from the reviews I've seen the two were very similar on efficiency, depending on how hard you pushed each one more than anything else.
Titans do beat both on efficiency - but the A2 was definitely a TON more reliable, and from what I've seen the Alcheminer was probably more reliable as well (Titans have been widely reported to have cores die a LOT).
Yeah I have 2 dead dies that happened from day one (knc would not rma them because 1 per cube....they said to overclock all my other dies and then when i hit 306.1mh they said it was over 300mh and they only RMA on stuff that did not reach that. heh...... At this point they changed the firmware to allow to overclock to 350mh where as before on such firmware it was locked at 300mh on advanced settings...(evil knc is and they do it well) I have like 2 dies toggled back to 300mh and 2 dies on a cube at 200 and 175 mh but then again they have been in use for 17 months. So anyway once you get something up working...YOU MAY be ok on Titans ..but yeah ..in that only used available you take a risk...in that they were orig designed for 90 day warranty but knc forgot to change the web page on sales thus stuck themselves with previous sha-256 units 1 year warranty heh not that they honored many RMA's imho So anyway IF this Innsilicon unit comes out in say July 2016 as they say (most asic mnfg's are 2 months late) but lets say July you are golden..... that will drive up difficulty ..by how much I've no idea.....if they are basically using these units we could get for hell probably 4k (not sure I'd pay that but bet that is what they charge)... to just use as a proof of concept like sfards and the recent X11 box....ie see we built it ..buy our chips or invest in our large data hall...the units may be very limited anyway depends on how big bulk chips they sell and data hall me...I think they probably 'barely' got the IPO $$$ to build the chips for their own data hall (much like spondoolies) and probably we won't see many of these single non-data hall units...in that ...well ...seems to be the trend....also because at this time scrypt prices are damn low for scrypt data halls their bulk sales also imho will be weak on the plus side...if they say drive up difficulty 25% more ..that is 2x the difficulty of when I started with LTC in Nov 2014 (1169 gh was the network) BUT by showing EVERYONE THAT a new scrypt POW miner....14MM NEXT generation is now out.....showing LTC and all scrypt is NOT DEAD and not just gonna become a KNC Titan end game well hell if we are lucky the price of LTC say will double and/all other scrypt miners data hall or otherwise (also due to halving) and scrypt pow mining will get some legs back not look like a POW going no place because of no new equip anyway best case is double the price and the difficulty doubles from when I started before it plateaus out....(again can't see a lot of scrypt miner data halls off their chips at these prices.....if scrypt price was to double THEN it would be off to the races ...but starting this summer er not so much imho) anyway for a bit 2x difficulty but 2x price for Titan users it would be a wash.......(ie same $$$ as now more or less) and for the buyers of these machines you'd likely ROI within a decent time frame even at 4k a unit ...assuming you get one as to me ...even if price is say 2k or 3k them dang 90 day warranties are a 'bitch' with the scrypt prices by the time you got these units it would be quite a risk because all new tech (14mm) is touchy as f*ck...it took KNC 3 months to just get the firmware to work with multi pools...if they would have kept the 90 day plan they likely would have gone with their original plan saying that they only guaranteed a LTC miner...(got caught going back changing pages with old dates.....forgot about wayback machine inet archive and got caught) But my point being ..they only got the firmware stable on multi pool because of the year warranty otherwise they would have just walked imho so its the firmware that is gonna work or not....that dash miner the x11 with 90 day warranty is in the throes of this as we speak ....you are locked out of the pi and cgminer mods from what I recently read....the below link shows how a miner could get really jam'd up with 90 day warranty and no firmware improvements and or the miner software (and psu) being kinda locked in by the company ...would be ugly..if this trend was the same for the A4 http://cryptomining-blog.com/7752-what-we-dont-like-about-the-ibelink-dm384m-x11-asic-miner/would be a bad trend if innsilicon did the same..1/4th of my Titan profit is probably gonna be do to the tarky miner 3rd party firmware with temp controls and all the stuff knc SAID was not possible.best money I ever spent.....a locked up firmware users could not mod would be very bad ..again esp on 90 day warranty..ie stuck with doorstop maybe after 90 days. so asic miner innsilicoin so you wanna make bucko bucks.on these small units...make it a 1 year warranty again and people would pile on the train indeed..hell i'd get one just to continue home mining even if it ended up an even trade for ltc to btc elec/equp and dollar wise...(guy has to have his toys) you'd kill on sales of the knc level back in the day...(then again they will probably have a data hall built by this point so why shoot themselves in the foot with making above a success? whatever my thoughts ..be aware the all my ideas are suspect at one time I drank the BFL kool aid and believed their slogan in '2 weeks' and/or soon (tm)
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My guess is that the A4 units will come out at around $2500, though I'd actually prefer you to be right and they show up closer to $4000 (fewer sold = less hashrate increase for a while = my A2s pay off more before they hit unprofitable).
I do love how I can just ignore my A2s for literally months at a time (I've got one that's been up for 4 MONTHS right now no issues - reconfigured my home to "summer mode" this week, and moved the other A2 units, so they've "only" been up for a few days as of right now - they HAD been up for the same 4ish months prior to my moving them) and they just keep hashing.....
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My guess is that the A4 units will come out at around $2500, though I'd actually prefer you to be right and they show up closer to $4000 (fewer sold = less hashrate increase for a while = my A2s pay off more before they hit unprofitable).
I do love how I can just ignore my A2s for literally months at a time (I've got one that's been up for 4 MONTHS right now no issues - reconfigured my home to "summer mode" this week, and moved the other A2 units, so they've "only" been up for a few days as of right now - they HAD been up for the same 4ish months prior to my moving them) and they just keep hashing.....
RANT BELOW as with all my rants just put me on /ignore already...I don't mind at all yeah...but the data hall they are building....(how large) and MAYBE bulk sales of chips ..but man at these prices for scrypt coins LTC and the rest..I'm kinda surprised they even got the IPO $$$ to build their own data hall (IPO $$$ for build ....they made the chips....so they are golden as far as funding the works themselves) but yeah....just can't see someone saying...damn.....I want to build a scrypt miner from scratch with bulk chips for my big china data hall......at $3.22 an LTC and less as you go down the lines of other alts....the stars are gonna align for me on that pssst on Ethereum its a fad...scrypt is coming back baby...again..don't see it. then again people are 'nuts' they did get the IPO $$ for at worse ..a token run of units (I still think 4k) and their very own data hall (whatever size) with the 14mm chips they made....perhaps they are using this also to leverage their 'expertise' in other kinds of chip endeavors..ie the PR flavor? look what we did 14mm chips! But anyway...right now the GH of the Litecoin Network says it is at 1,447gh both my miners (one new in Nov 8th 2014 another made in nov 2014 I got later Mar 2015) the first new one when I got it the gh when I got it was 1169 gh so (from what I can determine) for LTC at least the network has ONLY grown as of today by 19.21 % from Nov 8th 2014 when I got my first Titan orig price. That was 17 months and 10 days....again using network gh on LTC. So....say they make a big ass data hall....shoot some units out ....so what the difficulty goes up to 40%...I am making 60% of such from Nov 8 2014.. .....I can still play in the sandbox with these new A4 units and my Titans....(hey I roi'd long ago) NOW whether or not a NEW A4 has can mine long enough to ROI on a 4k investment say might be a different story...but above is do'able) but hell as I said previously....IF the halving drives up BTC to 650 usd as folk have said (Pollyanna's maybe but still) at 650 usd per LTC that is at the current around say with BTC halving pump of 0.008 ltc to btc...is 5.20 usd per LTC...hell something like that happens and the above ltc say difficulty goes up from 20% to 40% it makes it up in price and I'm still making the same $$$ per month ....long way around to get to such ..but still could happen (hope it happens A4 guys if it does likely your equip will last long enough to ROI imho) of course at 5.20 ltc EVERYONE would then (6 months or so down the road) either buy these A4 bulk chips for data halls and/or make new scrypt asics to compete.... but the A4's would probably be OK as the first of the herd and Titans (assuming they did not doorstop getting kinda old) same...and the 'parade has to end sometime..but hell by then I'm into Mar/Apr of 2017 and hell anyone with even an A4 at 4k is probably good for longer...and again imho likely to ROI the non ROI stuff would be the surge for scrypt (if it happened) equipment IF BTC went to 650 usd and again at say 0.008 ltc to btc ..ltc say went to 5.20 usd at that ratio then you would see a diff rise madness in scrypt of the btc madness of difficulty we all remember/dread/etc Likely I'm wrong and they will pump out so many chips (low cost to them now that IPO $$ allowed them to be made) and units/etc....everyone will jump on board and drive LTC and other scrypt alt coin difficulty to the moon .....and of course BTC being BTC and LTC being yoshi to BTC's mario ....going SIDEWAYS with say a 'modest' pump and sideways correction at halving...er would be BAD for all of us above well hell 2017 could be another crypto year of 'equipment glut' of the scyrpt variety ...ie round and round she goes.... (silly funny smelling hairless primate humans throwing poo....get me off this planet ..need to hitch a ride) But anyway ..for scrypt to survive it needs NEW equip of SOME kind for pow/scrypt etc or it will all fade away imnho.....I just don't want it to jump in the wading pool all at once...i want it to WADE in slowly don't ya know (all about me guys and keeping the titans going till OCT 2016 and 4c dump in winter elec hieat per kwh and thru APR 2017 for that free winter heat) That being said the A4 being first COULD ROI imho ..but man if it has a 90 day warranty that also could be a risk...this new end 14mm chip stuff could be 'iffy' at a 1 year warranty and say 2.5k to 3k I'd be all over this whatever crypto never a dull moment
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I would happily test one of these units
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I would happily test one of these units Ditto 😁 We all would (check my profile on here hint hint)
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It is going to be interesting for sure, while I have about squeezed all the performance you can get out of these things and modded them quite a lot to make them a bit more usable, I wonder about some of the changes according to the specs they use anywhere from 8W-13W of power , well so did the A2 ASICS and they had over 2x the surface area to get rid of that heat, I know it is not a thing most worry over I just wonder if they will be able to run like they say.
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I would happily test 100 of these units.
I'd settle for testing one.
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they did reply asked me how many I'd like.....I said TWO (minnow that I am) ...likely this will be the last email I shall get But did ask them price as well...we will see... If they contact me they will do so because they want a few of us 'asic cheerleaders' on here to pass the word on their product. IF not..then they are just moving stuff ..kinda/sorta to 'show the flag the equip exists' for their data hall IPO I'm guessing my emails are ...as we speak ..clanking around their 'spam bucket' after my big TWO units reply
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What is a "data hall"? Have seen that posted on btctalk a lot. Don't you all mean "data center"?! Google search did not come up with much..first result to "what is a data hall" comes back with this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_center....so why do some of you say "data hall" when it appears it is really "data center"? Sorry to hijack this thread but it has been buggin me for a while.
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What is a "data hall"? Have seen that posted on btctalk a lot. Don't you all mean "data center"?! Google search did not come up with much..first result to "what is a data hall" comes back with this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_center....so why do some of you say "data hall" when it appears it is really "data center"? Sorry to hijack this thread but it has been buggin me for a while. It is a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calque of Swedish word https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datorhall that means the same as what you've quoted.
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What is a "data hall"? Have seen that posted on btctalk a lot. Don't you all mean "data center"?! Google search did not come up with much..first result to "what is a data hall" comes back with this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_center....so why do some of you say "data hall" when it appears it is really "data center"? Sorry to hijack this thread but it has been buggin me for a while. Well this explanation below (quoted from an above post on this thread) is as good an explantion of any I guess. Just common in Minnesota (a predominately SWEDISH settled state in USA back in the day). So it all seems to fit. But this is where I picked it up as an equivalent to data center I'm farily sure. So the below explanation is as good as any I think ie probably more proper data center term..ie versus the off the cuff data hall....which again around here is used interchangeably. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1251930.msg14623426#msg14623426So anyway imho that pretty much nailed it. Minnesota predominantly settled by Swedes........again my assumption a slang Midwest USA term for the same.
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What is a "data hall"? Have seen that posted on btctalk a lot. Don't you all mean "data center"?! Google search did not come up with much..first result to "what is a data hall" comes back with this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_center....so why do some of you say "data hall" when it appears it is really "data center"? Sorry to hijack this thread but it has been buggin me for a while. Sorry Midwest USA slang 😒 Really? I don't know...have seen it soo much here that I would think it was something more than that? I honestly am curious. Not disparaging the use of the term...just wanting to find out why a lot of people use it.
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My guess is that the A4 units will come out at around $2500, though I'd actually prefer you to be right and they show up closer to $4000 (fewer sold = less hashrate increase for a while = my A2s pay off more before they hit unprofitable).
I do love how I can just ignore my A2s for literally months at a time (I've got one that's been up for 4 MONTHS right now no issues - reconfigured my home to "summer mode" this week, and moved the other A2 units, so they've "only" been up for a few days as of right now - they HAD been up for the same 4ish months prior to my moving them) and they just keep hashing.....
They won't sit on a shelf if they aren't selling, inventory will be mining or they'll drop the price they won't just let them collect dust.
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My guess is that the A4 units will come out at around $2500, though I'd actually prefer you to be right and they show up closer to $4000 (fewer sold = less hashrate increase for a while = my A2s pay off more before they hit unprofitable).
I do love how I can just ignore my A2s for literally months at a time (I've got one that's been up for 4 MONTHS right now no issues - reconfigured my home to "summer mode" this week, and moved the other A2 units, so they've "only" been up for a few days as of right now - they HAD been up for the same 4ish months prior to my moving them) and they just keep hashing.....
They won't sit on a shelf if they aren't selling, inventory will be mining or they'll drop the price they won't just let them collect dust. Likely imho they will just be a 'token' amount of these A4 miners (like sfards did) just to show the flag on a unit or two. The main push will be their own data center (did you see that i said data center not data hall) and the uphill fight of selling bulk chips would be their next hurtle. Anyway it seems that is what asic equip makers of scrypt and/or sha-256 do now. Much more profitable to chase NEWBIE IPO big $$$ money that wants to flow into crypto then those NEWBIE HOME miners with less $$$ as was done in the past. Same angle but bigger pockets the big money newbie IPO folk have. (again imho) (My thoughts of this is that they DID at 3.20 LTC or so scrypt prices manage to get enough IPO $$$ to build the chips in the first place..which from my view was quite a feat) Anyway my 'guess' on how it will play out. Overpriced. Limited amount of units and maybe even like sfards did only available in bulk purchasing of 100 plus. We will see I guess.( Assuming it is NOT vaporware. Always a consideration)
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I think the sales price will be something like $4.000 or 9 BTC + shipping, of course. Above that, the miner is overpriced too much, below, the hashrate will rise very fast...
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Likely imho they will just be a 'token' amount of these A4 miners (like sfards did) just to show the flag on a unit or two. The main push will be their own data center (did you see that i said data center not data hall) and the uphill fight of selling bulk chips would be their next hurtle.
Last time I checked Innosilicon doesn't HAVE a "data center" or "data hall" or any significant mining operation at all. They seem to be the only Cryptocoin Mining Chip/Miner manufacturer that doesn't do a lot of mining themselves - probably because they were a well-established Chip manufacturer before they got into Cryptocoin chip making (and still ARE a manufacturer of lots of other chips). Unlike every other manufacturer AFAIK making cryptocoin chips, Innosilicon doesn't rely on cryptocoin for most to all of their income, much less most to all of their profit. I won't talk about some of their DEALERS (and likely partners) that DO in fact mine *cough Zoomhash cough*....
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Likely imho they will just be a 'token' amount of these A4 miners (like sfards did) just to show the flag on a unit or two. The main push will be their own data center (did you see that i said data center not data hall) and the uphill fight of selling bulk chips would be their next hurtle.
Last time I checked Innosilicon doesn't HAVE a "data center" or "data hall" or any significant mining operation at all. They seem to be the only Cryptocoin Mining Chip/Miner manufacturer that doesn't do a lot of mining themselves - probably because they were a well-established Chip manufacturer before they got into Cryptocoin chip making (and still ARE a manufacturer of lots of other chips). Unlike every other manufacturer AFAIK making cryptocoin chips, Innosilicon doesn't rely on cryptocoin for most to all of their income, much less most to all of their profit. I won't talk about some of their DEALERS (and likely partners) that DO in fact mine *cough Zoomhash cough*.... OK I'm confused....what was the IPO money for then? I thought they had the mask etc ready to go and needed IPO $$$ I find it hard to believe that they are betting all on others using bulk chips sales at $3.20 per LTC say or the price of scrypt to carry the load you could be right ..but spondoolies WAS not as big into data centers but they are now ...;perhaps innsilicon has also gone the way of knc etc in the old 'me first' camp but I don't know.....you could be correct ..but now I'm really confused .thought I had a handle on why at these low prices they were 'pushing scrypt chips' perhaps they are into this as the 'equiv' of home mining ...just for the frack of saying they can make a 14mm asic scrypt chip (not sure why thou)
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What is a "data hall"? Have seen that posted on btctalk a lot. Don't you all mean "data center"?! Google search did not come up with much..first result to "what is a data hall" comes back with this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_center....so why do some of you say "data hall" when it appears it is really "data center"? Sorry to hijack this thread but it has been buggin me for a while. Data hall was a term used by KNC for their mining farm in Sweden. I believe people now use it as a derogatory term in referring to a big farm that screws people.
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Innosilicon probably could have done the A4 without any investment at all - they just wanted partners to mitigate the risk, since Scrypt is a much smaller market than SHA256 and 14/16nm development/bring to production costs are a LOT higher than 28nm.
It's not IMPOSSIBLE that they have their own farm - but there is no evidence supporting that they do, and I suspect they don't understand the risks and rewards of it well enough to consider it worth investing into, whereas making and selling chips is a business they have a LOT of experience and practice at.
Why does Warren Buffet think Bitcoin is unworthy of investment? It's not CONSERVATIVE enough for him to trust. (He didn't coin the term "Value Investor", he just has spent 60 years or so LIVING it).
Why hasn't AMD NVidia or Intel gotten into making mining chips? Too small a market - and AMD in particular and NVidia to a lesser degree benefit indirectly from miners buying GPUs.
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Still no updates on pricing and availability? I got the mining itch needing some new kick ass hardware to fill it
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Still no updates on pricing and availability? I got the mining itch needing some new kick ass hardware to fill it
I got an email saying not yet. My expectation the units will go out to the 'bulk' purchasers in probably (my guess) August. This was the over $100k orders min. Thus you MIGHT see these units to us as individuals sometime in Sept. I also think they will be 4k at least or more now with the BTC and LTC price hikes. Probably way to 'rich for me' at 14c kwh electric. Also not a big fan of 4k out for a 90 day warranty when all ASIC equipment I know about took about 3 months to 'kinda' get a working firmware with various pools etc. One big paper weight if their 14nm chips and/or equip does not work well after 90 days. Again imho.
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Still no updates on pricing and availability? I got the mining itch needing some new kick ass hardware to fill it
I got an email saying not yet. My expectation the units will go out to the 'bulk' purchasers in probably (my guess) August. This was the over $100k orders min. Thus you MIGHT see these units to us as individuals sometime in Sept. I also think they will be 4k at least or more now with the BTC and LTC price hikes. Probably way to 'rich for me' at 14c kwh electric. Also not a big fan of 4k out for a 90 day warranty when all ASIC equipment I know about took about 3 months to 'kinda' get a working firmware with various pools etc. One big paper weight if their 14nm chips and/or equip does not work well after 90 days. Again imho. i came to the same assumption, last time when they launched the A2. (they asked >10K USD for Batch 1 Devices) To much Risk involved. Might be interesting if you buy big Quantity and get early Access.
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Watch Zoomhash they allways seems to get stock of any new miners all most the same day there released. http://zoomhash.com/
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Watch Zoomhash they allways seems to get stock of any new miners all most the same day there released. http://zoomhash.com/yeah alibaba also seems to get this stuff up..over priced...but at least you can tell if the stuff exists then (hopefully alibaba may have a lot of scam sales) but good point on zoomhash forgot about that someone said these guys take paypal ..have not looked into such...but another maybe option in that they got sfards stuff first I think http://www.itopshop.net/
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Watch Zoomhash they allways seems to get stock of any new miners all most the same day there released. http://zoomhash.com/ I believe I already mentioned that I'm sure Zoomhash was one of their "partners" on the investment thing? 9-)
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June 08, 2016, 10:20:54 AM |
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I would not be surprised if the price for the A4 was just shy of $2,000
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June 08, 2016, 11:54:51 AM |
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I would not be surprised if the price for the A4 was just shy of $2,000 Then the hashrate will rise very fast and up...
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I would not be surprised if the price for the A4 was just shy of $2,000 Then the hashrate will rise very fast and up... exactly - look at what Baikal has done to Dash
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June 08, 2016, 12:48:31 PM |
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I would love to hear status updates on the A4's development and release schedule. Last I heard they have chips but don't have the complete miner yet. So it would be awesome to see an update on the progress and the timeline. It is real tempting to jump on the S9, and I almost did... But without updates on the A4 I think people will be lured to jump on the S9.
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I would not be surprised if the price for the A4 was just shy of $2,000 I'd get one for that. (2k). I could justify the 'toy' because my 14c kWh electric goes down to 10c kWh in winter. Last year I heated 85% of house with Titans. 😄 Hope you are right and I'm wrong, but I still think 4K for an A4 is likely
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June 08, 2016, 03:54:57 PM |
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I would not be surprised if the price for the A4 was just shy of $2,000 You'd be lucky. They will price at $4k as suggested above. $2k is a pipedream and can't see it happening any, I respect miners want their machines at the cheapest price, but the production company hold the key.
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What is a "data hall"? Have seen that posted on btctalk a lot. Don't you all mean "data center"?! Google search did not come up with much..first result to "what is a data hall" comes back with this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_center....so why do some of you say "data hall" when it appears it is really "data center"? Sorry to hijack this thread but it has been buggin me for a while. Data hall was a term used by KNC for their mining farm in Sweden. I believe people now use it as a derogatory term in referring to a big farm that screws people. OMG! Thank you for a good laugh today! I like it.
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June 09, 2016, 12:55:26 AM |
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I would not be surprised if the price for the A4 was just shy of $2,000 You'd be lucky. They will price at $4k as suggested above. $2k is a pipedream and can't see it happening any, I respect miners want their machines at the cheapest price, but the production company hold the key. thanks - I just wanted to save your quote as is for future reference.
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I would not be surprised if the price for the A4 was just shy of $2,000 Then the hashrate will rise very fast and up... exactly - look at what Baikal has done to Dash The Baikal is Johnnie-come-Lately - I suspect the other 2 had more to do with X11 hashrate jumps so far. I'm still shocked that *3* different entities came out with X11 ASIC at almost the same time, much less AT ALL - and I have to wonder how many if any of them are going to manage to recoup their investment in the chip work. I would be SHOCKED to see the A4 start out at $2000 - I'm starting to think I was optimistic planning for it to be INNOSILICON DIRECT priced at $2500. Year or two from now, after the initial sales rush has ended, I could see it dropping to the $2k range - or IF someone else actually gets a competative Scrypt miner out the door (seems like the Alcheminer folks aren't going to manage it, didn't raise enough funding for their second-gen miner/chip designs).
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I would not be surprised if the price for the A4 was just shy of $2,000 Then the hashrate will rise very fast and up... exactly - look at what Baikal has done to Dash The Baikal is Johnnie-come-Lately - I suspect the other 2 had more to do with X11 hashrate jumps so far. I'm still shocked that *3* different entities came out with X11 ASIC at almost the same time, much less AT ALL - and I have to wonder how many if any of them are going to manage to recoup their investment in the chip work. I would be SHOCKED to see the A4 start out at $2000 - I'm starting to think I was optimistic planning for it to be INNOSILICON DIRECT priced at $2500. Year or two from now, after the initial sales rush has ended, I could see it dropping to the $2k range - or IF someone else actually gets a competative Scrypt miner out the door (seems like the Alcheminer folks aren't going to manage it, didn't raise enough funding for their second-gen miner/chip designs). I tried to be optimistic and re-looked at my views on the 4k (likely) for an A4 being correct. (remember I know zip at one time I drank the BFL kool aid..you've been warned) BUT just can't feel it. I mean from Innsilicon's point of view with LTC now at around $5 IF they came out with one at 4k imho they'd be patting themselves on the back as being nice guys and not gouging the 'home miners' (compared to other prices in the past and service/firmware/support from other asic makers of all kinds in the past they'd likely be correct ..again imho) So to tell the truth 4k on review looks 'low ball' now...it likely will be somewhat to a lot higher is my conclusion now. As to the 2nd elephant in the room HOW many will they make? ie ..will they be more into 'bulk' sales and the home miner market is an afterthought (even at 4k price) or will they go all 'consumer is all' and crank out bulk sales/chip sales/home miner sales and flood the market...likely in that at this time it is JUST them...again imho they will (if a 4k price) sell a limited number of these units...a couple months after the units at the bulk price units/bulk chips/whatever have moved out the door and play king of the hill ....actually the only guys on the hill ..have someone to climb the hill and/or even frigging be within distance of seeing the hill hard to 'limit' oneself on your product price wise etc if you are the 'only game in town' They also could easily imho 'justify' a 4k price simply because used Titans on Ebay go for 3.3k (low) to 3.7k (high) if you can find them on ebay. Currently no one is selling since the last panic dump on the knc class action loss.....zip.....that is if they happened to be really trying to 'guess' the market. Also is the consensus here the unit is gonna be 400mh and 1150 watts yet? Perhaps someone knows if it is higher then that? I would have to modify my calcs or as I like to say "big ass guesses' if the A4 units were now 600mh or some such whatever...again hope I'm wrong and they are 400mh 1150 watts at 2100 bucks ........(the 90 day warranty still bugs the hell out of me however ...live a little make it 6 months?)
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In the for what it's worth department : this guy will be selling them. I've bought a bunch of equipment off him and he's trustworthy - so is the guy at Itopshop.net - I've bought from him also. I'm in the East Coast of the US and stuff arrive in 2 days via DHL http://www.aliexpress.com/store/227686
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The images on the Aliexpress page look like A2 images. The description says the A4 prototype won't be available until July. So what is pictured is not one of the prototypes. This is a "pre-order" for still unbuilt equipment. Also from what I have read Innosilicon does not do preorders. So this person selling either must have a standing order and commitment for a bulk order or he/she is taking wild liberties on the price and number he will have available to sell.
Thanks for the link. It at least has a bunch of us all talking and thinking about doing really stupid stuff like a bulk preorder... Yes, we are that crazy! I personally am going to wait until something firms up and then figure out where in the world I would put more miners or get more electricity to run them! ROFL
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The images on the Aliexpress page look like A2 images. The description says the A4 prototype won't be available until July. So what is pictured is not one of the prototypes. This is a "pre-order" for still unbuilt equipment. Also from what I have read Innosilicon does not do preorders. So this person selling either must have a standing order and commitment for a bulk order or he/she is taking wild liberties on the price and number he will have available to sell.
Thanks for the link. It at least has a bunch of us all talking and thinking about doing really stupid stuff like a bulk preorder... Yes, we are that crazy! I personally am going to wait until something firms up and then figure out where in the world I would put more miners or get more electricity to run them! ROFL
Well assuming I have this correct and all the 'bulk orders' (was it like over 100k they would talk to you) it may be a long time before we see the A4 on the following (my guesses) Prototype : JULY 2016 Prototype to Production: say AUG 2016 Bulk Purchases out: AUG THRU SAY SEPT 2016 1st run of individual units at say (4k) each...would START SHIPPING IN OCTOBER ...now if this is at a 4k price yet...they an't gonna sell many imho. again above is assuming the timeline has ANY merit and what was in this guys description is legit that is selling the pre-order on aliexpress
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The images on the Aliexpress page look like A2 images. The description says the A4 prototype won't be available until July. So what is pictured is not one of the prototypes. This is a "pre-order" for still unbuilt equipment. Also from what I have read Innosilicon does not do preorders. So this person selling either must have a standing order and commitment for a bulk order or he/she is taking wild liberties on the price and number he will have available to sell.
Thanks for the link. It at least has a bunch of us all talking and thinking about doing really stupid stuff like a bulk preorder... Yes, we are that crazy! I personally am going to wait until something firms up and then figure out where in the world I would put more miners or get more electricity to run them! ROFL
They're not A2 images. (1) 5 boards, NOT 6. (2) too much open space in the case. NONE of the A2 units I own or have seen pics of have that much open space between the "first" hashboard and the controller boards. (3) I don't think the A2 ever came in a black case, but not 100% sure on that. They could be using pictures of prototype units provided to them by Innosilicon. They also might be recycling Dragon miner pics - I think I remember some Dragons in black cases. Innosilicon WAS talking "mass production" in June/July timeframe - one would think they'd have at least a FEW prototype miners built by now for testing and to take pics of.
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The images on the Aliexpress page look like A2 images. The description says the A4 prototype won't be available until July. So what is pictured is not one of the prototypes. This is a "pre-order" for still unbuilt equipment. Also from what I have read Innosilicon does not do preorders. So this person selling either must have a standing order and commitment for a bulk order or he/she is taking wild liberties on the price and number he will have available to sell.
Thanks for the link. It at least has a bunch of us all talking and thinking about doing really stupid stuff like a bulk preorder... Yes, we are that crazy! I personally am going to wait until something firms up and then figure out where in the world I would put more miners or get more electricity to run them! ROFL
They're not A2 images. (1) 5 boards, NOT 6. (2) too much open space in the case. NONE of the A2 units I own or have seen pics of have that much open space between the "first" hashboard and the controller boards. (3) I don't think the A2 ever came in a black case, but not 100% sure on that. They could be using pictures of prototype units provided to them by Innosilicon. They also might be recycling Dragon miner pics - I think I remember some Dragons in black cases. Innosilicon WAS talking "mass production" in June/July timeframe - one would think they'd have at least a FEW prototype miners built by now for testing and to take pics of. I have an A2 Terminator that looks exactly like the one pictured. I believe it is the model from LKETC. It just depends if you allow them to be called A2 Terminators but they do exist.
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June 10, 2016, 01:53:45 PM |
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The images on the Aliexpress page look like A2 images. The description says the A4 prototype won't be available until July. So what is pictured is not one of the prototypes. This is a "pre-order" for still unbuilt equipment. Also from what I have read Innosilicon does not do preorders. So this person selling either must have a standing order and commitment for a bulk order or he/she is taking wild liberties on the price and number he will have available to sell.
Thanks for the link. It at least has a bunch of us all talking and thinking about doing really stupid stuff like a bulk preorder... Yes, we are that crazy! I personally am going to wait until something firms up and then figure out where in the world I would put more miners or get more electricity to run them! ROFL
Well assuming I have this correct and all the 'bulk orders' (was it like over 100k they would talk to you) it may be a long time before we see the A4 on the following (my guesses) Prototype : JULY 2016 Prototype to Production: say AUG 2016 Bulk Purchases out: AUG THRU SAY SEPT 2016 1st run of individual units at say (4k) each...would START SHIPPING IN OCTOBER ...now if this is at a 4k price yet...they an't gonna sell many imho. again above is assuming the timeline has ANY merit and what was in this guys description is legit that is selling the pre-order on aliexpress I think this is a really good scope on the possible timeline given the info we have so far. I received an email from Innosilicon that the miner is not ready yet, but to stay tuned. Based on the pieces of info we have so far I think this timeline Searing has outlined is probably close to reality. On the pre-order thing from Aliexpress I will pass on that one... This is WAY to speculative for my blood... I would rather sit on the BTC and get something firm in the way of pricing and ship dates. And I also have seen A2's that look like the pictures. Also note the description of an A4 says 2 modules... So way too many things don't add up from the description to the pictures.
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June 20, 2016, 02:59:52 PM |
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email response from Innosilicon (A4 miners is open for pre-order now at price of 1800 USD per unit plus shipping fee, 10 units to start, with about 1000W per 260Mhs (+-10% performance variation) each and 30 days parts warranty. Delivery starts from September and max delay is one month.) you would need an order of at least 10 on first come first served, very limited quantities. It is out of my ability to buy right now, just thought I would pass the info on.
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email response from Innosilicon (A4 miners is open for pre-order now at price of 1800 USD per unit plus shipping fee, 10 units to start, with about 1000W per 260Mhs (+-10% performance variation) each and 30 days parts warranty. Delivery starts from September and max delay is one month.) you would need an order of at least 10 on first come first served, very limited quantities. It is out of my ability to buy right now, just thought I would pass the info on.
wow, this means the titans are not far in eficiency... right now, one of my titans are doing 280Mh/s and draining 1320w (at the wall), so 4.71w/mhs; the new 14nm A4 will do 3.85w/mhs? it is only 18% better?? and i think i can optimice my titan better than now... And BTW, this miner was initially, "Miner Performance: 600Mhs from 720W at the Wall or 850Mhs from 1020W", so 1.2w/mhs, then they published "A4 Miner: 400Mhs per 1KW power supply in one standard miner box", 2.5w/mhs, but now they are telling 3.85w/mhs... in september they can publish 220mh/s and draining 1150w?? (4.6mh/s)
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Are those miners really 14nm? Their performance is a huge disappointment.
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email response from Innosilicon (A4 miners is open for pre-order now at price of 1800 USD per unit plus shipping fee, 10 units to start, with about 1000W per 260Mhs (+-10% performance variation) each and 30 days parts warranty. Delivery starts from September and max delay is one month.) you would need an order of at least 10 on first come first served, very limited quantities. It is out of my ability to buy right now, just thought I would pass the info on.
"Miner Performance: 600Mhs from 720W at the Wall or 850Mhs from 1020W" not even CLOSE. one really WOULD ask if that's even 14nm ;(
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price is way too high if those numbers are right would not pay more than 900 per unit
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email response from Innosilicon (A4 miners is open for pre-order now at price of 1800 USD per unit plus shipping fee, 10 units to start, with about 1000W per 260Mhs (+-10% performance variation) each and 30 days parts warranty. Delivery starts from September and max delay is one month.) you would need an order of at least 10 on first come first served, very limited quantities. It is out of my ability to buy right now, just thought I would pass the info on.
wow, this means the titans are not far in eficiency... right now, one of my titans are doing 280Mh/s and draining 1320w (at the wall), so 4.71w/mhs; the new 14nm A4 will do 3.85w/mhs? it is only 18% better?? and i think i can optimice my titan better than now... I get 275MH/s @ 1250w from the wall, giving me about 4.54w/mh. Thats as good as Ive been able to get it even at extremely low clocks.
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Yea not sure whats going on here...they seemed like they had sample chips in from the fab last month and published those "tested" 1.5 w/MH specs, which is in line with what a 14nm scrypt chip *should* do. Now they are stating 4 w/mh??? Thats very fishy...I got 5 w/mh efficiency out of the 40nm Alcheminer chip on my USB miner. The only thing I can think of is that yield so horrible that they are only getting 1/4 functional cores per silicon area. That or they are selling an improved version of their 28nm chip and saying its 14nm...
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email response from Innosilicon (A4 miners is open for pre-order now at price of 1800 USD per unit plus shipping fee, 10 units to start, with about 1000W per 260Mhs (+-10% performance variation) each and 30 days parts warranty. Delivery starts from September and max delay is one month.) you would need an order of at least 10 on first come first served, very limited quantities. It is out of my ability to buy right now, just thought I would pass the info on.
Thats extremely crappy performance / power usage. Is your "email response" even real?
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I know it sucks as we are all hoping for a bigger leap in hash and power use, but this is my email in full. Dave, The hash rate per box is different from what we expected, but it's based on sample chip performance tested in the lab. And still A4 Dominator has the best efficiency ever, and we determined the price based on the specs. Are you still interested? How many do you want? Since our first batch has very limited quantities, we will serve batch orders first. Best regards, Chloe Zhang +86 18040500320 Innosilicon Technology Ltd. www.innosilicon.com.cnFrom: Chloe Zhang [mailto:zhangq@innosilicon.com.cn] Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 12:31 PM To: 'Dave' Cc: ' sales@innosilicon.com.cn' Subject: RE: new a4 miner pre orders... Dave Dear Dave, I’m doing good. How about you? A4 miners is open for pre-order now at price of 1800 USD per unit plus shipping fee, 10 units to start, with about 1000W per 260Mhs (+-10% performance variation) each and 30 days parts warranty. Delivery starts from September and max delay is one month. Best regards, Chloe Zhang +86 18040500320 Innosilicon Technology Ltd. www.innosilicon.com.cnFrom: Dave [mailto:] Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 9:38 AM To: 'Chloe Zhang' Subject: new a4 miner pre orders... Dave Hi Chloe, how are you today? I was wondering if you are getting close to selling the new a4’s? What would be the final specs and the final pricing, with the farmboy discount? Thanks Dave
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I know it sucks as we are all hoping for a bigger leap in hash and power use, but this is my email in full. Dave, The hash rate per box is different from what we expected, but it's based on sample chip performance tested in the lab. And still A4 Dominator has the best efficiency ever, and we determined the price based on the specs. Are you still interested? How many do you want? Since our first batch has very limited quantities, we will serve batch orders first. Best regards, Chloe Zhang +86 18040500320 Innosilicon Technology Ltd. www.innosilicon.com.cnFrom: Chloe Zhang [mailto:zhangq@innosilicon.com.cn] Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 12:31 PM To: 'Dave' Cc: ' sales@innosilicon.com.cn' Subject: RE: new a4 miner pre orders... Dave Dear Dave, I’m doing good. How about you? A4 miners is open for pre-order now at price of 1800 USD per unit plus shipping fee, 10 units to start, with about 1000W per 260Mhs (+-10% performance variation) each and 30 days parts warranty. Delivery starts from September and max delay is one month. Best regards, Chloe Zhang +86 18040500320 Innosilicon Technology Ltd. www.innosilicon.com.cnFrom: Dave [mailto:] Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 9:38 AM To: 'Chloe Zhang' Subject: new a4 miner pre orders... Dave Hi Chloe, how are you today? I was wondering if you are getting close to selling the new a4’s? What would be the final specs and the final pricing, with the farmboy discount? Thanks Dave Interesting, well if they are as horrible as stated in the email ... then that's great news for my Titan! =)
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Well given the specs on the A4 this is a much harder sell. It is a little more efficient than a Titan, but not mind blowingly so that is for sure. I know I would still be interested, so I am tossing it out here to see who else might also be interested and possibly we can arrange a group buy? I would feel a lot better if they had some video up showing the A4 running, and give us something to go on, but so far this is pretty weak. This 30 day warranty is absolutely horrible. All kinds of red flags going off in my head about this.
So if others are interested in a group buy please chime in, or PM me and I would like to see if we have enough interest where we can get the 10 unit buy in level at least. Or if your thinking about buying 10 or more of these in the pre-order and would be interested in letting others tailgate on a larger order that would be great if someone is thinking about something like that. Thoughts?
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Well given the specs on the A4 this is a much harder sell. It is a little more efficient than a Titan, but not mind blowingly so that is for sure. I know I would still be interested, so I am tossing it out here to see who else might also be interested and possibly we can arrange a group buy? I would feel a lot better if they had some video up showing the A4 running, and give us something to go on, but so far this is pretty weak. This 30 day warranty is absolutely horrible. All kinds of red flags going off in my head about this.
So if others are interested in a group buy please chime in, or PM me and I would like to see if we have enough interest where we can get the 10 unit buy in level at least. Or if your thinking about buying 10 or more of these in the pre-order and would be interested in letting others tailgate on a larger order that would be great if someone is thinking about something like that. Thoughts?
yeah from what I figured a common say 325mh (which 350 is ideal but hard to get these days used) so say full out used Titan best you can probably get is 325mh it would be 1250 watts (using gen tarkin's 3rd party eff firmware) or about the equiv of the 260mh at 1000 watts stated they really are equiv almost of a Titan in watts used vs mh out imho .. kinda oranges and oranges (assuming my math is right...sigh math is hard!) 30 day warranty scares the crap out of me so I shall yell LIGHTFOOT (he should perk right up...a new 'quest' of the ASIC's WTF is going on soap/drama on BTC. (keeps him busy and out of trouble) but hey....my only concern is they sell these things like toasters...if that is so ...any unit Titan or A4 would be pretty much out of the space heating business by the end of winter 2017.... this $4.85 LTC price is not helping my mojo either
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If somewho makes a buy group, i would be in
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I also confirmed via email that the info we have seen about the 260mh, roughly 1000w, $1800 for the pre-order miner is true. This does NOT come with PSU's to keep shipping costs down. I have asked for pictures and video of the miner and have questions for them regarding the 30 day warranty. I also asked them about a group buy here on BCT. So I will start a new thread for the group buy and hope that Innosilicon will partner with us to facilitate the group buy for those that are interested. If any of you have had experience setting up a group buy before please chime on your experiences and what we can do to make something like this happen and be a smooth experience for all of us interested in taking part in this "adventure". :-)
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I also confirmed via email that the info we have seen about the 260mh, roughly 1000w, $1800 for the pre-order miner is true. This does NOT come with PSU's to keep shipping costs down. I have asked for pictures and video of the miner and have questions for them regarding the 30 day warranty. I also asked them about a group buy here on BCT. So I will start a new thread for the group buy and hope that Innosilicon will partner with us to facilitate the group buy for those that are interested. If any of you have had experience setting up a group buy before please chime on your experiences and what we can do to make something like this happen and be a smooth experience for all of us interested in taking part in this "adventure". :-)
i personally would NOT be interested, pre-orders are just throwing yourself at their mercy. i will wait till they have them in hand and come with BTC, snag one. too much can change in the months till we would actually receive the miner. for me anyways ;p
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I also confirmed via email that the info we have seen about the 260mh, roughly 1000w, $1800 for the pre-order miner is true. This does NOT come with PSU's to keep shipping costs down. I have asked for pictures and video of the miner and have questions for them regarding the 30 day warranty. I also asked them about a group buy here on BCT. So I will start a new thread for the group buy and hope that Innosilicon will partner with us to facilitate the group buy for those that are interested. If any of you have had experience setting up a group buy before please chime on your experiences and what we can do to make something like this happen and be a smooth experience for all of us interested in taking part in this "adventure". :-)
i personally would NOT be interested, pre-orders are just throwing yourself at their mercy. i will wait till they have them in hand and come with BTC, snag one. too much can change in the months till we would actually receive the miner. for me anyways ;p Agreed. No more pre-orders.
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Yea not sure whats going on here...they seemed like they had sample chips in from the fab last month and published those "tested" 1.5 w/MH specs, which is in line with what a 14nm scrypt chip *should* do. Now they are stating 4 w/mh??? Thats very fishy...I got 5 w/mh efficiency out of the 40nm Alcheminer chip on my USB miner. The only thing I can think of is that yield so horrible that they are only getting 1/4 functional cores per silicon area. That or they are selling an improved version of their 28nm chip and saying its 14nm...
They also had a table showing a range of efficiencies, at various hashrate/chip. 4W/Mh was the top hash/chip figure, 1.5W/Mh was the bottom. I suspect it depends on what voltage you run the chips at - this is nothing new, though it's a MUCH wider range than anything else I've seen.
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It's all too sketchy at the moment. I think i will hold onto my money until more info is available. The figures are changing weekly. The first estimates of 600/800 MH's were fantastic, it then went down to 400/500 still not too bad. Now it's down to 256 how can it go from 800 to 256 ? at 1000w it means i have to get 3 units to get the original 800 MH's at 3000w instead of 800-1200w. I'll hang fire for now.
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This reminds me of Blackarrow. Promises and spec changes. More promises and dates. Then missed dates and promises, all the while they are taking preorder BTC. Finally a few units ship and the rest of the bag holders get nothing but a big FU.
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Yeah, it would be nice if manufactures were actually honest about their projections. Rather than trying to scam investors into feeding them tons of money to make a shitty product. Im sure all the "partners", that shoveled millions in to Innosilicons pockets for the A4, are really happy right now. In the end tho, fuck the investors; its the customers who always get screwed in cryptoworld. Oh well .... at least the Titan will live on for longer now =) 28nm vs 14nm at nearly same power consumption .... how much shittier can your chip get?! Innosilicon...
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Yeah, it would be nice if manufactures were actually honest about their projections. Rather than trying to scam investors into feeding them tons of money to make a shitty product. Im sure all the "partners", that shoveled millions in to Innosilicons pockets for the A4, are really happy right now. In the end tho, fuck the investors; its the customers who always get screwed in cryptoworld. Oh well .... at least the Titan will live on for longer now =) 28nm vs 14nm at nearly same power consumption .... how much shittier can your chip get?! Innosilicon...
The bad thing is Innosolicon is more than an ASIC company (ASIC in terms of crypto mining), they also create chips for other purposes and were around before crypto. Because of this they shouldnt need pre-orders. They should also not scam and give false hopes as it will hurt the other side of their business. They are probably in one of the better positions of all ASIC manufacturers if they would take advantage of it.
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We received an update from Innosilicon regarding the availability of the A4. Here are the latest specs and info regarding the current batch 1 pre-order: Update: World Most Profitable A4 Dominator Miner is coming soon! Early batch goes fast with best efficiency ever and very limited quantity, and who are the lucky ones to get the access to the first batch will, with no doubt, enjoy the early gain before anybody else, that means big profit. Pre-order price: 1800 USD per unit plus shipping fee, 5 units to start Estimated delivery time: Starts from August and max delay is one month. Warrantee: 45 days parts warranty Specifications: l Part Number: INNOSILICON A4 Dominator 280Mhs per unit (+-10% performance, can be over-clocked at user's risk) l Size: Length 28cm * Width 12.8cm * Height 25cm l Net weight: 11KG (without PSU) l ASIC: A4, 80pcs l Blade: 4pcs l Voltage: +12V l Power efficiency: Initial batch will be defaulted at 3.2W/Mhs in Turbo mode, 2.2W/Mhs in Norminal mode, and 1.35W/Mhs in ultra low power mode l Required rated PSU: 1000W or above, 8 * PCI-E 6Pin PSU is external and exclusive to save your international shipping cost, which can be acquired used easily at low cost or reused from old version miners. l Included: Raspberry Pi, it is plug and play with your PSU If you would like to know about the group buy we are organizing you can find that thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1523298.40
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150db at 30% fan... ROFL
We don't know yet. Inno says they will be posting a video soon with the new A4. Hoping we will get a glimpse and answer some of these questions.
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Hi,
I am located in Sweden and intend to order a bunch of A4's. I am thinking of buying at least 1 for myself, and i might be able to buy a second one. If anyone is interested in joining in on a group order (minimum 3 is required in total for innisilicon to ship) you are welcome to join in on the order.
Contact me on a PM if you are interested. (We will of course arrange the setup in a proper and secure way)
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I want to buy two units I am located at Europe I can organized one Europe group
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I want to buy two units I am located at Europe I can organized one Europe group
Also for Europe
See prev guys post above. You all can make it for more then 3 units. Go big find someone in Central Europe equal shipping price 🚊😄
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Its a though sell Imo. After import taxes and shipping costs are around 2300 to get it to my door. It mines around 2.7 Ltc a day after power costs that leaves me with around 6 usd a day that's a little under 400 days to roi If the diff doesn't jump up because of all the added scrypt power. Unless u got Free or really cheap power its gonne be close if your able to roi.
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Its a though sell Imo. After import taxes and shipping costs are around 2300 to get it to my door. It mines around 2.7 Ltc a day after power costs that leaves me with around 6 usd a day that's a little under 400 days to roi If the diff doesn't jump up because of all the added scrypt power.but an Unless u got Free or really cheap power its gonne be close if your able to roi.
you COULD maybe co-locate it in the states get around vat that way ...but me I'm about 15c plus maybe more on such (guy in Iowa) could probably do better in Oregon or some such but he knows Titans..and my rate here at home is 14.6c kwh anyway on the other hand with so many titans now at the house (from 2 to 4 with the other 5 in Iowa) I sure can't just eat the electric anymore and consider it just added LTC to BTC So my logic is with most of my electric miners (I'm never home) ALL THE electric I use in the house from now on will be paid for by mining....also I have a decrease of about 4c kwh for Winter rates the 2nd week of Oct. In that I heated the house last year at 85% rate with 3000 watts or so....6000 watts or so should not be a problem to do the same Thus the logic ..till they doorstop they pay electric for themselves each month (including my puny home/house use) and they Heat the house this winter...... anyway ..who'd a thunk it? but anyway such an option of USA hosting ..if you trust someone to send it to them under their name and host it....would get around Vat and also maybe less expensive electric costs then Europe?.....probably unworkable but just a thought
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Its a though sell Imo. After import taxes and shipping costs are around 2300 to get it to my door. It mines around 2.7 Ltc a day after power costs that leaves me with around 6 usd a day that's a little under 400 days to roi If the diff doesn't jump up because of all the added scrypt power. Unless u got Free or really cheap power its gonne be close if your able to roi.
right ;/ thats why i couldnt preorder. i kept thinking there was no way without even giving us a vid or having a presence here would they deliver in aug (honestly good luck by end of sept. at this point imo) by then all those new/old titans will be online, and all buyers have already lost 2 months of mining time waiting where hardware bought from in hand is hashing as we speak. following same path as all new ascii, by the time consumers get their preorders they will be obsolete, as usual... ;(
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Its a though sell Imo. After import taxes and shipping costs are around 2300 to get it to my door. It mines around 2.7 Ltc a day after power costs that leaves me with around 6 usd a day that's a little under 400 days to roi If the diff doesn't jump up because of all the added scrypt power. Unless u got Free or really cheap power its gonne be close if your able to roi.
right ;/ thats why i couldnt preorder. i kept thinking there was no way without even giving us a vid or having a presence here would they deliver in aug (honestly good luck by end of sept. at this point imo) by then all those new/old titans will be online, and all buyers have already lost 2 months of mining time waiting where hardware bought from in hand is hashing as we speak. following same path as all new ascii, by the time consumers get their preorders they will be obsolete, as usual... ;( "A4 ASIC offers up to 4Mhs per chip LTC hash power with as low as 1.5W/MHs power consumption." at these rates it would work but what their selling now doesn't work for me. I'm not sure if their website sais those will become available in the future or whats going on.
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Its a though sell Imo. After import taxes and shipping costs are around 2300 to get it to my door. It mines around 2.7 Ltc a day after power costs that leaves me with around 6 usd a day that's a little under 400 days to roi If the diff doesn't jump up because of all the added scrypt power. Unless u got Free or really cheap power its gonne be close if your able to roi.
right ;/ thats why i couldnt preorder. i kept thinking there was no way without even giving us a vid or having a presence here would they deliver in aug (honestly good luck by end of sept. at this point imo) by then all those new/old titans will be online, and all buyers have already lost 2 months of mining time waiting where hardware bought from in hand is hashing as we speak. following same path as all new ascii, by the time consumers get their preorders they will be obsolete, as usual... ;( "A4 ASIC offers up to 4Mhs per chip LTC hash power with as low as 1.5W/MHs power consumption." at these rates it would work but what their selling now doesn't work for me. I'm not sure if their website sais those will become available in the future or whats going on. Initial testing of the A4 chip showed great promise, but what they are getting when combining chips into PCB's is something different. So the numbers they posted are not correct. The corrected numbers we are getting for a miner pre-order is 280mh at roughly 1000w at the wall. Of course we are still waiting to see one in action and get more specs. But it is far short of what they expected from the single A4 chip tests. We know the chip can do it, but when put into a package it appears they have some issues to figure out. Right now it looks like batch 1 won't ship until September for the pre-orders. From there I assume you will be able to order from distributors in Oct-Nov time frame. We won't know specs for those batches until we get closer to that happening.
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Heh. A pre-order of a pre-order at 33% more in price. 😄
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Heh. A pre-order of a pre-order at 33% more in price. 😄 That's going to be cute, they are promising factory installed PSU's and cables...
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The images on the Aliexpress page look like A2 images. The description says the A4 prototype won't be available until July. So what is pictured is not one of the prototypes. This is a "pre-order" for still unbuilt equipment. Also from what I have read Innosilicon does not do preorders. So this person selling either must have a standing order and commitment for a bulk order or he/she is taking wild liberties on the price and number he will have available to sell.
Thanks for the link. It at least has a bunch of us all talking and thinking about doing really stupid stuff like a bulk preorder... Yes, we are that crazy! I personally am going to wait until something firms up and then figure out where in the world I would put more miners or get more electricity to run them! ROFL
What I think has happened is that based on the ever decreasing chip density per device and efficiency of the cards, one of the early adopter partners has pulled out of the deal (remember they were seeking 5 x $1.5M partners), so what we're being offered is their slice of the initial first batch. I've been playing around with the numbers and would imagine there would have been 3000 of the 400Mh/s machines being built at something like $2500 each for the early partners, bringing the total to $7.5M (600ea). That was my worst case scenario and given the 400 MH/s specs would have had 114 Chips per machine, there could be up to 4167 of the lower effeiciency 280 MH/s miners if all the chips are good. Interestingly the price stays about the same at around $6.50 per MHs or $22.75 per A4 chip. So I think this is why we're not seeing fully built prototypes yet, we were never supposed to be getting them this early, and based on the numbers above there would be 600 machines available for every partner who has pulled out. Based on average pool mining returns at 0.000085 btc/mhs/day, these are still looking very good. Mind you, there could be up to 1.3 Th/s about to be dropped into a 4.5 Th/s global scrypt network.
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The images on the Aliexpress page look like A2 images. The description says the A4 prototype won't be available until July. So what is pictured is not one of the prototypes. This is a "pre-order" for still unbuilt equipment. Also from what I have read Innosilicon does not do preorders. So this person selling either must have a standing order and commitment for a bulk order or he/she is taking wild liberties on the price and number he will have available to sell.
Thanks for the link. It at least has a bunch of us all talking and thinking about doing really stupid stuff like a bulk preorder... Yes, we are that crazy! I personally am going to wait until something firms up and then figure out where in the world I would put more miners or get more electricity to run them! ROFL
What I think has happened is that based on the ever decreasing chip density per device and efficiency of the cards, one of the early adopter partners has pulled out of the deal (remember they were seeking 5 x $1.5M partners), so what we're being offered is their slice of the initial first batch. I've been playing around with the numbers and would imagine there would have been 3000 of the 400Mh/s machines being built at something like $2500 each for the early partners, bringing the total to $7.5M (600ea). That was my worst case scenario and given the 400 MH/s specs would have had 114 Chips per machine, there could be up to 4167 of the lower effeiciency 280 MH/s miners if all the chips are good. Interestingly the price stays about the same at around $6.50 per MHs or $22.75 per A4 chip. So I think this is why we're not seeing fully built prototypes yet, we were never supposed to be getting them this early, and based on the numbers above there would be 600 machines available for every partner who has pulled out. Based on average pool mining returns at 0.000085 btc/mhs/day, these are still looking very good. Mind you, there could be up to 1.3 Th/s about to be dropped into a 4.5 Th/s global scrypt network. That is a potentially halving in progress... The actual hashrate is 1400 Gh/s, you are talking about 1200 Gh/s more, so all our hash will be rewarded by 1/2... The Litecoin minery will NOT be very reliable...
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This certainly will have an overall negative impact for everyone mining scrypt coins. The buyers may have a tough time getting their ROI.
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This certainly will have an overall negative impact for everyone mining scrypt coins. The buyers may have a tough time getting their ROI.
Yep. We need BTC at around 700 bucks imho to play it somewhat safe. At that price at 0.006 LTC to BTC you are looking at $4.20 usd per LTC. NOT Ideal, but....you could maybe squeak by with a 10 month (with elec use taken out) and ROI on these units in that ballpark of a guess/price. (check my figures) A lot of Titan owners spent a lot of 2015 mining LTC on a prayer at 1.30 usd per LTC and a hope it would go up in price. Same angle with these machines different year imho. I suppose just to liven things up the Chinese miners (75%) will announce a fork from BTC Core and 8mb blocks just to further muck the crypto universe up some more. (BTC gets a cold .all the alt coins get pneumonia). It seems a lot of crypto FUD is rinse/wash/repeat I've seen it before.
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The images on the Aliexpress page look like A2 images. The description says the A4 prototype won't be available until July. So what is pictured is not one of the prototypes. This is a "pre-order" for still unbuilt equipment. Also from what I have read Innosilicon does not do preorders. So this person selling either must have a standing order and commitment for a bulk order or he/she is taking wild liberties on the price and number he will have available to sell.
Thanks for the link. It at least has a bunch of us all talking and thinking about doing really stupid stuff like a bulk preorder... Yes, we are that crazy! I personally am going to wait until something firms up and then figure out where in the world I would put more miners or get more electricity to run them! ROFL
What I think has happened is that based on the ever decreasing chip density per device and efficiency of the cards, one of the early adopter partners has pulled out of the deal (remember they were seeking 5 x $1.5M partners), so what we're being offered is their slice of the initial first batch. I've been playing around with the numbers and would imagine there would have been 3000 of the 400Mh/s machines being built at something like $2500 each for the early partners, bringing the total to $7.5M (600ea). That was my worst case scenario and given the 400 MH/s specs would have had 114 Chips per machine, there could be up to 4167 of the lower effeiciency 280 MH/s miners if all the chips are good. Interestingly the price stays about the same at around $6.50 per MHs or $22.75 per A4 chip. So I think this is why we're not seeing fully built prototypes yet, we were never supposed to be getting them this early, and based on the numbers above there would be 600 machines available for every partner who has pulled out. Based on average pool mining returns at 0.000085 btc/mhs/day, these are still looking very good. Mind you, there could be up to 1.3 Th/s about to be dropped into a 4.5 Th/s global scrypt network. They don't do per orders if they needed investors to me that's a per order of sorts it was publicly made , no per order's to me is selling them when they are ready and not asking for any kind of money other then though private investors. like bitmain does and even Avalon does now, the Avalon 7 is coming when no idea but it is, they posted soft ware support and a image for the miner on there FTP on the 17 of this month . I thought I saw Innosilicon talking per orders when the A2 came out on there main site but so far i have yet to see them run any farm because , I'm guessing, they don't need to because they make more stuff like memory and other PC stuff , not just miners, bitmain only makes miners . I might be wrong or misunderstand how Innosilicon does it other wise . either way i can't afford one if i could i would give it some thought, im sure i would need that cash back sooner then 200 days or how ever long ROI would take or i would have to be willing to waste 1800 on a group buy, i wouldn't try to resell it either, unless i could double the price so i could buy another one i love mining to much to give it up or to pass one of these by, by reselling it.
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Innosilicon did not take ANY preorders on the A2 - it came out as a total suprise with ZERO previous announcements, pretty much unique in the cryptocoin mining industry. They DID pre-announce their "Farm Boy" units, but I don't remember if they bothered with pre-orders on those.
The investment needed to get a new 14/16nm chip up and running is a TON higher than working with long-established 28nm tech though, which I'm sure is WHY Innosilicon wanted some investment help on that generation.
My ballpark guess is that the A4 will fuel about a doubling of hashrate over the first year after it starts shipping, and a continuing slow increase past that point - but only if Litecoin price stays above the $3 level, and even a bit iffy if it keeps drifting down TO that level. Still shouldn't be hard to manage ROI on an A4 if you have VERY VERY cheap electric, but at 10c/KWH might make ROI difficult-to-impossible (and 10c/KWH is fair bit BELOW the average for the US since the EPA/Obama War On Coal has driven US average electric prices UP quite a bit the last few years).
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Innosilicon did not take ANY preorders on the A2 - it came out as a total suprise with ZERO previous announcements, pretty much unique in the cryptocoin mining industry. They DID pre-announce their "Farm Boy" units, but I don't remember if they bothered with pre-orders on those.
The investment needed to get a new 14/16nm chip up and running is a TON higher than working with long-established 28nm tech though, which I'm sure is WHY Innosilicon wanted some investment help on that generation.
My ballpark guess is that the A4 will fuel about a doubling of hashrate over the first year after it starts shipping, and a continuing slow increase past that point - but only if Litecoin price stays above the $3 level, and even a bit iffy if it keeps drifting down TO that level. Still shouldn't be hard to manage ROI on an A4 if you have VERY VERY cheap electric, but at 10c/KWH might make ROI difficult-to-impossible (and 10c/KWH is fair bit BELOW the average for the US since the EPA/Obama War On Coal has driven US average electric prices UP quite a bit the last few years).
From what I understand Innsilicon is a chip manufacturer foremost. They got the big boys to fund their 14 nm chip equip and line to make asic chips. But after that is done they will have a fully financed 14nm production line/system for other 14nm chips. Thus it was a no brainer. Get some IPO $$$. Get the 14nm setup funded to make scrypt asics as such. Make your profit. Then use your new 14nm production on other NON asic related chips of that size. Kinda brilliant actually.
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Some one did some kind per something when the farm boys came out on the forums they were a deal but I was a little short on cash so had to pass . maybe the next A2 deal i come across I will finally get one ... they should drop even more in price once the A4 does came out and still be useful for a while longer, farming alt is a lot different then farming btc direct . there is a lot of them etc etc ...i all way have liked farming script coins more then BTC but still like doing both .
about three month ago i was offered a farm boy deal even had the cash but was asked to late i had just bought a Alchemist 256 then 4 or 5 days later some one i know sent me A email with a really nice group buy deal for some farm boys again I'm not meant to have a A2 i guess ..then one popped on ebay i was to late buying a month or so ago they sold a mini A2 for 175 they normally sell for 500 or more . zoom hash had some 110 for a nice price a few month ago by the time i got the cash to gather they sold out, i have even more times were i missed out.
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In the web : http://www.innosilicon.com/html/news/14.htmlIs this info: Part Number: INNOSILICON A4 Dominator 280Mhs per unit (+-10% performance, can be over-clocked at user's risk) Size: Length 28cm * Width 12.8cm * Height 25cm Net weight: 11KG (without PSU) ASIC: A4, 80pcs Blade: 4pcs Voltage: +12V Power efficiency: Initial batch will be defaulted at 3.2W/Mhs in Turbo mode, 2.2W/Mhs in Norminal mode, and 1.35W/Mhs in ultra low power mode Required rated PSU: 1000W or above, 8 * PCI-E 6Pin PSU is external and exclusive to save your international shipping cost, which can be acquired used easily at low cost or reused from old version miners. Included: Raspberry Pi, it is plug and play with your PSU I read before the machine can be at 400-600 or 800mhs awith overclock at 1020W. Is the 280MHS the default hashrate. And then I will can overclock to 400 or 600 mhs?
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The older numbers were overoptimistic estimates before they had a chance to actually settle down and work with a significant number of chips - *AND* seem to have been based at least in part on using an A2/Dragon sized miner machine with more and larger boards in it.
If you look at the SIZE spec on the final A4 as announced, it's less than half the size - even accounting for space savings of the power supply in the A2, the A4 is STILL ballpark less than half the size.
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Any idea how to buy one unit?
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Wait for dealers like ZoomHash to start selling them, or work with other folks in the "group deal" about a combined order.
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I think the pre-order time frame is too close now. I would hang tight now for the A4 to hit distributors like Zoomhash. I don't think it is going to be that long now before you will start to see some announcements. We are looking at the end of this month for the pre-buy units to start shipping, and I expect there will be some first unit pains to be dealt with. So I would stay posted to these threads and follow the progress of the A4 first units and how that goes.
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Innosilicon did not take ANY preorders on the A2 - it came out as a total suprise with ZERO previous announcements, pretty much unique in the cryptocoin mining industry. They DID pre-announce their "Farm Boy" units, but I don't remember if they bothered with pre-orders on those.
The investment needed to get a new 14/16nm chip up and running is a TON higher than working with long-established 28nm tech though, which I'm sure is WHY Innosilicon wanted some investment help on that generation.
My ballpark guess is that the A4 will fuel about a doubling of hashrate over the first year after it starts shipping, and a continuing slow increase past that point - but only if Litecoin price stays above the $3 level, and even a bit iffy if it keeps drifting down TO that level. Still shouldn't be hard to manage ROI on an A4 if you have VERY VERY cheap electric, but at 10c/KWH might make ROI difficult-to-impossible (and 10c/KWH is fair bit BELOW the average for the US since the EPA/Obama War On Coal has driven US average electric prices UP quite a bit the last few years).
BIG rant coming up as I have 3 of these in house http://www.iqair.com/home-air-purifiers/gcmultigas/buy at a cost of 3600 usd and about 1000 a year in filter replacement. They are better then inhaler medication. In my opinion. The rant starts belowFuck coal and I don't like Obama. If you understood how much pollution was dumped by the midwest onto the northeast you would not have made the statement. This entire issue should have never been allowed to happen , but Bush allowed old dirty nasty coal plants a pass on not upgrading their plants to burn clean. Corporate greed kicked in and no plants were retro fitted to burn cleanly . Causing a shit ton of lung disease all preventable if the moron power plants had upgraded their power plants to burn clean. Having been a life long Asthmatic my research on this is long and deep. BTW I will most likely vote for Trump as part of his plan is to alter the coal industry the correct way. IE clean coal plants. If he was to do just this one act as the next president it would make him a very good president. Back to mining and away from politics do you have plans to get one of these miners?
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Have they shipped any units yet?
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Supposedly they have shipped and someone received one -- but I'm skeptical.
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Supposedly they have shipped and someone received one -- but I'm skeptical.
I got mine in the mail today and just got it setup and hashing. I am getting 274 mhs at the miner client (around 270mhs at the pool). It is pulling 1070 watts from the wall. I have it hashing in a non climate controlled and warm environment and it gets to a max of 60c (4hrs running now). Hope that helps people
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Pictures please!!
Here are some pics: I just restarted the miner to unplug the voltmeter but will update this post in about an hour when I get a more solid sample time for the picture.
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Just shy of 4w/MH ....... so, hardly better than a Titan ... long live knc Titan!
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Just shy of 4w/MH ....... so, hardly better than a Titan ... long live knc Titan!
Amazing disparity between the Title of this thread and the end result W/mhs ... haha!
yeah its about the same as a Titan, man I wish I had got my hands on some of those cheap titans last year. Either way this unit is not worth more than 800 usd imo
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Yes, Innosilicon, please give him one to test! Emdje, I am eagerly awaiting your a4 custom image . I am running your image on my A2 and it is amazing.
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Pictures please!!
Here are some pics: I just restarted the miner to unplug the voltmeter but will update this post in about an hour when I get a more solid sample time for the picture. Here is a picture of the miner UI after running all night:
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Thanks for the input. Yes the efficiency is no better than the Titan.
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To be honest it is entirely possible I have the mV setting wrong. I had to use a magnifying glass on the picture in the tiny (and i really mean tiny) manual that it comes with in order to read what mV to put the miner at (but hey, at least its something). Initially, it showed the voltage field as just a / with no number, but in the picture I believe it showed the value of 800, so that is what I set it to. Also, in my UI, when you set the voltage and hit confirm, it just resets back to a / (but I know it works, because the only way the miner will stay on is if you input a voltage before hitting start). It says "Voltage(mV)(500-860)" and then gives the ominous warning "Warning: Do not increase voltage at random, easy to burn down." Im hesitant to adjust the voltage much at all due to this warning.
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noise level ?
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noise level ?
When standing right next to both my A2 and my A4 about 4 feet away, I measured between 78-80 decibels. Made little difference with the A2 off. Definitely much louder than the a2
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So if the efficiency is no better than a Titan -- then -- is this a SCAM?
Why would someone overpay to buy these units? I'm lost here.
It seems that it is basically 2.5x as efficient as the 100Mh/s A2 units (which are selling for about $650 with PSU).
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Yea these will drop down to about 800 each in 1-2 months...not sure how you get your power draw 4x worse than planned...
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noise level ?
When standing right next to both my A2 and my A4 about 4 feet away, I measured between 78-80 decibels. Made little difference with the A2 off. Definitely much louder than the a2 I figured such a small package with 1 fan was going to be louder, that's unfortunate
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So if the efficiency is no better than a Titan -- then -- is this a SCAM?
Why would someone overpay to buy these units? I'm lost here.
It seems that it is basically 2.5x as efficient as the 100Mh/s A2 units (which are selling for about $650 with PSU).
in a2 units don't go for more than 200
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This means the A2's should drop in price may be 500 or less for one and titans should stay about the same ?. this is not a question just a thought > the A2 's should still be usable for a while longer and Zeus miners or lower will be dead now for sure .
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Since these seem to be very similar to the Titans -- is it possible that no new chips were ever produced and this is just KNC chips (or copies of them) placed in new boards with new software?
Just curious how the stats could be so far off.
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This means the A2's should drop in price may be 500 or less for one and titans should stay about the same ?. this is not a question just a thought > the A2 's should still be usable for a while longer and Zeus miners or lower will be dead now for sure .
Titans MAY stay a bit higher...due to the fact of gen tarkin firmware is a miracle for keeping them running and not shutting off dies etc.....so that is solid. Also lightfoot can fix them. With 45 day warranty I can't say the same for the A4's (yet) .....IF the 2 guys above got an A4 to play with I'd not worry too much about the warranty. They are that good on the above issues. Titans mainly also may go for higher in that you can split up the cubes (5) vs (2) so always may pay a bit more to get that extra cube etc We will have to see...IF the A4's hang together well enough after warranty..then what will happen with out new players making scrypt miners to compete with the A4's It very likely will shake out by say Jan or Feb due to difficulty to say an LTC network consisting of Titans and A4's ....and hell we could see another 2 years out of the Titans and at least an equivalent 2 year run on the A4's ...in other words it could stay 'weird in scrypt crypto land" IF all LTC network is used for is for the Chinese folk to continue to speculate because the like LTC (don't understand it but I will run my miner's as a merry go round for their enjoyment)
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Since these seem to be very similar to the Titans -- is it possible that no new chips were ever produced and this is just KNC chips (or copies of them) placed in new boards with new software?
Just curious how the stats could be so far off.
The stats on the CHIPS aren't even close. KNC liked "big chip" designs, Innosilicon prefers "more chips but smaller". Think Spondoolies vs. Bitmain for comparison. I would anticipate pricing on the A2 to drop once a significant quantity of A4s start shipping - but not real fast, they're still profitable after all even at near-average Electric pricing.
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October 23, 2016, 05:31:29 AM |
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So the A4 definitely has a new chip design? And not a whole bunch of A2 chips combined together with a really powerful fan?
If the pricing would drop on this by 50% - I would certainly be interested in some units. But the noise and temperature are concerning.
Did anyone get to measure the actually noise created by the machine?
And did I read somewhere that after 4 hours the unit got up to 60 degrees C? Is that right? Was that temperature based on the air coming out of the machine? Or the actual temperature on the chip?
If it is air coming out of the machine -- how in the world would one keep your room cool? If memory serves -- I believe my A2 units would average 33 to 38 degrees C -- depending how many units I had in the room and if I had some AC going.
EDIT: I believe someone mentioned noise at 88db or so? That is loud!
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October 23, 2016, 11:30:44 AM |
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Yes, Innosilicon, please give him one to test! Emdje, I am eagerly awaiting your a4 custom image . I am running your image on my A2 and it is amazing. Thank you for your compliment
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Network Difficulty dropped a lot i guess that's the calm before the storm. so watch out, mine your ass off now with all most any miner . i don't know i don't watch the lite coin Difficulty like i used to with btc's.
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Well this makes older zeus and gridseed units obsolete. What happened to A3? Good question! A3 is actually gonna be a replacement of A1, and will be rolled out at the same time with A4. So A3 and A4 share the same roll out time, and A3 will have sub 0.2w/gh btc mining performance. Now that the A4 has been released, where do we learn about the A3 that was released with it?
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A3 has apparently been dropped. I remember one rumour (from a souce that had the money to be an Innosilicon partner) that it turned out to be BW 1401 level efficiency (or S7 level in BitMain terms). Dunno if Innosilicon is working on a more efficient version behind the scenes, if that's the case.
Given the final results on the A4, I'm tending to believe that rumour.
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So if the efficiency is no better than a Titan -- then -- is this a SCAM?
Why would someone overpay to buy these units? I'm lost here.
It seems that it is basically 2.5x as efficient as the 100Mh/s A2 units (which are selling for about $650 with PSU).
Sadly, no its not a scam. Miners will be flocking to these, just like every stupid hardware release ... no matter the price and no matter the efficiency. Its an addiction. Ill probably be the only one not purchasing any.
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So if the efficiency is no better than a Titan -- then -- is this a SCAM?
Why would someone overpay to buy these units? I'm lost here.
It seems that it is basically 2.5x as efficient as the 100Mh/s A2 units (which are selling for about $650 with PSU).
Sadly, no its not a scam. Miners will be flocking to these, just like every stupid hardware release ... no matter the price and no matter the efficiency. Its an addiction. Ill probably be the only one not purchasing any. Nope, not the only one... Unless the price drops. A lot.
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Well I was hoping it would hold off as long as possible but I guess they are out there now, would like to see the insides of one, been looking for broken A2 boards on this end, been trying to keep my stuff running as long as I can.
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So if the efficiency is no better than a Titan -- then -- is this a SCAM?
Why would someone overpay to buy these units? I'm lost here.
It seems that it is basically 2.5x as efficient as the 100Mh/s A2 units (which are selling for about $650 with PSU).
Sadly, no its not a scam. Miners will be flocking to these, just like every stupid hardware release ... no matter the price and no matter the efficiency. Its an addiction. Ill probably be the only one not purchasing any. Nope, not the only one... Unless the price drops. A lot. same after reading everything here Id rather by a few A2's and try to get a titan, the titan has more hash power if all the dies work ,what's the point . other then a fool and his money no offense intended to anyone by that commit .
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I was ready to commit to a pre-order buy of 3 of these a couple months back.
Sadly, the delays caused me to put most of that money in another direction as I couldn't afford to wait.
Long-term I figure I'll end up buying some at some point.
Anyone in Central Washington want to buy a couple A2 units, drop me a message. I won't ship them but I will deliver if it's reasonably close.
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October 26, 2016, 05:08:36 PM |
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I currently have a few A2s for sale without PSUs, or can install New 1250 gold rated PSUs. if you prefer. Even without the PSUs these are Tested and 100% working.
I will ship, but USA only.
PM me if interested.
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October 26, 2016, 05:48:07 PM |
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LOL - I might as well add myself to the list -- have a handful of 88Mh/s A2s with PSUs built-in. At this time will only consider local pickup in Portland, Oregon.
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October 27, 2016, 12:25:46 AM |
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everyone lives so far away with their old A2s
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If anyone has their A4s and would like to try to earn more money than just mining Litecoins, try mining with us at https://prohashing.com. We optimized the pool to give good hashrate for Titans, and now with the A4s coming online we're analyzing data and making changes to try to extract the most hashrate from them too. If you have your A4 on our pool, give us some feedback in our forums where A4 owners are discussing their results at https://forums.prohashing.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=982.
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October 29, 2016, 11:26:55 AM |
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If anyone has their A4s and would like to try to earn more money than just mining Litecoins, try mining with us at https://prohashing.com. We optimized the pool to give good hashrate for Titans, and now with the A4s coming online we're analyzing data and making changes to try to extract the most hashrate from them too. If you have your A4 on our pool, give us some feedback in our forums where A4 owners are discussing their results at https://forums.prohashing.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=982. Thanks Chris, As soon as I get my A4's up I will point them your way and will let you know how it looks. I should have the A4's online this week if all goes smoothly.
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If anyone has their A4s and would like to try to earn more money than just mining Litecoins, try mining with us at https://prohashing.com. We optimized the pool to give good hashrate for Titans, and now with the A4s coming online we're analyzing data and making changes to try to extract the most hashrate from them too. If you have your A4 on our pool, give us some feedback in our forums where A4 owners are discussing their results at https://forums.prohashing.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=982. I am just running a bunch of A2s but I have found Prohashing to work pretty well so far, now if I could just find parts for my A2s that seem to be dieing off slowly.
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LiteGuardian has always worked well for me. As I recall, they were one of the few pools that never had issues with the Alcheminer....
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With the price of LTC where it is at none of these high priced miners are going to ROI (even the used ones), seems like a fools gamble.
LTC has been pretty stable around $4 (with a brief surge to $5ish) for a year now. I don't see ANY issue with an A4 achieving ROI - just won't be in 3-4 months like some miners managed in WAY BACK days. If you want high pricing, consider the original GridSeed 80 blade units at $3000 - those probably NEVER DID achieve ROI for anyone, and I suspect most of the ones that sold at $1600 a couple months later never achieved ROI either. I don't anticipate an A4 managing to ROI in the "current conditions 9 months or so with very very cheap electric" as the network hashrate and difficulty will climb once they start shipping in numbers, but I DO anticipate them achieving ROI in 12-18 months timeframe as long as LTC pricing doesn't collapse (and right now, it's CLIMBING to follow Bitcoin's recent rise, as usual). If you don't like the high A4 pricing though, and your electric is cheap enough, A2s will be profitable for quite a while longer (just not AS profitable as over the last yeah or so). For that matter, the Gridseeds are still marginally profitable if you have VERY VERY cheap enough electric, though I suspect not for a lot longer.
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With the price of LTC where it is at none of these high priced miners are going to ROI (even the used ones), seems like a fools gamble.
Do any experienced miners who are mining for profit still mine single currencies like LTC exclusively? I'll be mining a multipool like Prohashing and with current payouts per Mhs at 0.000065 BTC or more ( http://poolpicker.eu/table), a single A4 running at 270 Mhs returns approx $12.28 per day (BTC = $700). Subtract power costs (1.080Kwh x 0.11c x 24 = $2.85) and that leaves $9.43 per day profit. In two years, I would imagine a fully working A4 will still be worth $750 (3 year old A2's are still selling for >$600 today(but not for much longer)), so my ROI target is actually only $1150. $1150/$9.43 = 122 days ROI and then every day until the day I sell the A4 is pure profit after electricity costs. Of course it's very likely that payments will drop as network hash rates increase but even a 25% payout decrease will still leave plenty of profit for an A4.The same can't be said for Gridseeds and A2's without cheap power however. Once the various scrypt network hash rates start to rise and payouts decrease, these less efficient miners will cease to be viable. The same thing happened with A7s when A9's came out. It's not as immediate in the scrypt universe but the affect will be the same. Of course Titan's will stay viable for much longer but lets keep in mind that these cost $9,995 new and were fraught with serious delivery and quality issues.
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With the price of LTC where it is at none of these high priced miners are going to ROI (even the used ones), seems like a fools gamble.
Do any experienced miners who are mining for profit still mine single currencies like LTC exclusively? I'll be mining a multipool like Prohashing and with current payouts per Mhs at 0.000065 BTC or more ( http://poolpicker.eu/table), a single A4 running at 270 Mhs returns approx $12.28 per day (BTC = $700). Subtract power costs (1.080Kwh x 0.11c x 24 = $2.85) and that leaves $9.43 per day profit. In two years, I would imagine a fully working A4 will still be worth $750 (3 year old A2's are still selling for >$600 today(but not for much longer)), so my ROI target is actually only $1150. $1150/$9.43 = 122 days ROI and then every day until the day I sell the A4 is pure profit after electricity costs. Of course it's very likely that payments will drop as network hash rates increase but even a 25% payout decrease will still leave plenty of profit for an A4.The same can't be said for Gridseeds and A2's without cheap power however. Once the various scrypt network hash rates start to rise and payouts decrease, these less efficient miners will cease to be viable. The same thing happened with A7s when A9's came out. It's not as immediate in the scrypt universe but the affect will be the same. Of course Titan's will stay viable for much longer but lets keep in mind that these cost $9,995 new and were fraught with serious delivery and quality issues. I'm mining LTC and move it to BTC when the ratio gets at least 0.0006 LTC to BTC which would mean $4.20 usd not the 3.94 it is now I used to wait till 0.008 LTC to BTC but with all the new coins like ethereum etc out there ..that speculative cash has gone elsewhere I am within 1,000 bucks to the bank of paying off with BTC made so far about 2,750mh of my 3,050mh with this years equip and some towards used. using www.litecoinpool.org/calcat current my winter electric of 11c kwh and 3050mh and say 13,000 watts on titans and 3.94 LTC price I am getting below 24 hours 30.55957031 LTC 120.40 USD 34.32 USD 86.08 USD 7 days 213.91699219 LTC 842.83 USD 240.24 USD 602.59 USD 30 days 916.78710938 LTC 3612.14 USD 1029.60 USD 2582.54 USD $2,583.54 after rent/expenses/electric per month the above pool has NO fees and pays out 103%..thus I just wait and move coin (over expenses) and thus the plan or way I've played it since Nov 8th 2014 Of course holding and moving it at the right time to BTC also is a guess/hope etc for this to work. IT all depends on what the price of LTC say is next year (or BTC that drives such) If we are looking and/or what amount/price and such and of course WHEN you get the equipment. (dumb luck plays a role) at $5 LTC say.. well a lot of the A4 and other dubious purchases would be forgiven quickly
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I think that's getting closer and really does show what a good buy the A4 is. The completed auction you're referring to was for a batch 1 300 MHs Titan with no power supplies Here's what the buyer said "This batch 1 miner runs a little above 300MH, but it does fall to 250-260MH after a few days, but a quick reboot puts it back up to 300MH. This miner has never once been overclocked, but it has that option for those who choose." http://www.ebay.com/itm/Titan-Miner-KNC-Batch-1-300-MH-Scrypt-Litecoin-LTC-Bitcoin-BTC-Digibyte-/262627666129?hash=item3d25d428d1:g:ehYAAOSwvzRX0EmoGiven the track record of Titans and the stated instability, I'm amazed that he sold it for $2800, but lets look at this as more closely. Titan: 300Mhs @ $2800 = $9.33 Mhs A4: 280Mhs @ 1800 = $6.43 Mhs Hmm, one is 3 years old, 40% more expensive and has a history of failing dies and burnt out PCIe connectors whereas the A4 is new, has a 45 day warranty and Innosilicon has a good track record with many very happy A2 owners who appreciate the reliability. I'm ignoring the cost of PSU's and freight because they kinda equal out. Titan 300Mhs @ 1200W = 4w/Mhs (I've read they can actually use up to 1590W OC'ed to 325 Mhs) A4: 280Mhs @ 1080w = 3.85w/Mhs Not much difference there, Inno have not improved the efficiency much with their 14nm dies so it's a draw on electricity cost. ROI: I used to use online calculators like the one above but then I worked out that mining a multipool that pays out in BTC is much more profitable. Zpool paid 0.00011381 BTC per scrypt-Mhs yesterday. Whatever hardware you buy, with BTC=$728 that's 0.08285368c per MHs less electricity. An A4 @ 280Mhs would return $23.19 per day and a Titan @ 300Mhs would return $24.85 per day Less power at $3.60 per day and lets call it $19.50 and $21.00 per day respectively so 1800/19.50 = 92 days to totally pay for the A4, whereas $2800/21.00 = 133 days. Like I said, amazed anyone would buy a Titan for $2800 with no PSU's and known issues vs buying a a new A4. If you choose to stick with mining LTC exclusively your ROI will be longer, but given any consistent benchmark, the A4 is much better proposition IMO.
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I think that's getting closer and really does show what a good buy the A4 is. The completed auction you're referring to was for a batch 1 300 MHs Titan with no power supplies Here's what the buyer said "This batch 1 miner runs a little above 300MH, but it does fall to 250-260MH after a few days, but a quick reboot puts it back up to 300MH. This miner has never once been overclocked, but it has that option for those who choose." http://www.ebay.com/itm/Titan-Miner-KNC-Batch-1-300-MH-Scrypt-Litecoin-LTC-Bitcoin-BTC-Digibyte-/262627666129?hash=item3d25d428d1:g:ehYAAOSwvzRX0EmoGiven the track record of Titans and the stated instability, I'm amazed that he sold it for $2800, but lets look at this as more closely. Titan: 300Mhs @ $2800 = $9.33 Mhs A4: 280Mhs @ 1800 = $6.43 Mhs Hmm, one is 3 years old, 40% more expensive and has a history of failing dies and burnt out PCIe connectors whereas the A4 is new, has a 45 day warranty and Innosilicon has a good track record with many very happy A2 owners who appreciate the reliability. I'm ignoring the cost of PSU's and freight because they kinda equal out. Titan 300Mhs @ 1200W = 4w/Mhs (I've read they can actually use up to 1590W OC'ed to 325 Mhs) A4: 280Mhs @ 1080w = 3.85w/Mhs Not much difference there, Inno have not improved the efficiency much with their 14nm dies so it's a draw on electricity cost. ROI: I used to use online calculators like the one above but then I worked out that mining a multipool that pays out in BTC is much more profitable. Zpool paid 0.00011381 BTC per scrypt-Mhs yesterday. Whatever hardware you buy, with BTC=$728 that's 0.08285368c per MHs less electricity. An A4 @ 280Mhs would return $23.19 per day and a Titan @ 300Mhs would return $24.85 per day Less power at $3.60 per day and lets call it $19.50 and $21.00 per day respectively so 1800/19.50 = 92 days to totally pay for the A4, whereas $2800/21.00 = 133 days. Like I said, amazed anyone would buy a Titan for $2800 with no PSU's and known issues vs buying a a new A4. If you choose to stick with mining LTC exclusively your ROI will be longer, but given any consistent benchmark, the A4 is much better proposition IMO. i agree, but would like to throw in the "admin" problem of these new a4's :/ it seems users are not only having trouble with the miners being set to default gateway (wow), but also users having trouble, if im not mistaken, ssh'ing into them/a.k.a their OWN hardware? BUT, let noone forget the rock steady (IMO), stability of innoscilion's miners. (the a2's are stable as shit, almost 4 years later, WITHOUT MODS)** SO., All in all, i think the A4 is a good buy, given the next few weeks dont report owners saying their's went up in flames heehee (what's up with that microscopic documentation? lol ) **yes, they had the same "growing issues" as these a4's off the bat but there's no denying they are of the "never quit" variety, as compared to the RMA kings Bitmain
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I think that's getting closer and really does show what a good buy the A4 is. The completed auction you're referring to was for a batch 1 300 MHs Titan with no power supplies Here's what the buyer said "This batch 1 miner runs a little above 300MH, but it does fall to 250-260MH after a few days, but a quick reboot puts it back up to 300MH. This miner has never once been overclocked, but it has that option for those who choose." http://www.ebay.com/itm/Titan-Miner-KNC-Batch-1-300-MH-Scrypt-Litecoin-LTC-Bitcoin-BTC-Digibyte-/262627666129?hash=item3d25d428d1:g:ehYAAOSwvzRX0EmoGiven the track record of Titans and the stated instability, I'm amazed that he sold it for $2800, but lets look at this as more closely. Titan: 300Mhs @ $2800 = $9.33 Mhs A4: 280Mhs @ 1800 = $6.43 Mhs Hmm, one is 3 years old, 40% more expensive and has a history of failing dies and burnt out PCIe connectors whereas the A4 is new, has a 45 day warranty and Innosilicon has a good track record with many very happy A2 owners who appreciate the reliability. I'm ignoring the cost of PSU's and freight because they kinda equal out. Titan 300Mhs @ 1200W = 4w/Mhs (I've read they can actually use up to 1590W OC'ed to 325 Mhs) A4: 280Mhs @ 1080w = 3.85w/Mhs Not much difference there, Inno have not improved the efficiency much with their 14nm dies so it's a draw on electricity cost. ROI: I used to use online calculators like the one above but then I worked out that mining a multipool that pays out in BTC is much more profitable. Zpool paid 0.00011381 BTC per scrypt-Mhs yesterday. Whatever hardware you buy, with BTC=$728 that's 0.08285368c per MHs less electricity. An A4 @ 280Mhs would return $23.19 per day and a Titan @ 300Mhs would return $24.85 per day Less power at $3.60 per day and lets call it $19.50 and $21.00 per day respectively so 1800/19.50 = 92 days to totally pay for the A4, whereas $2800/21.00 = 133 days. Like I said, amazed anyone would buy a Titan for $2800 with no PSU's and known issues vs buying a a new A4. If you choose to stick with mining LTC exclusively your ROI will be longer, but given any consistent benchmark, the A4 is much better proposition IMO. i agree, but would like to throw in the "admin" problem of these new a4's :/ it seems users are not only having trouble with the miners being set to default gateway (wow), but also users having trouble, if im not mistaken, ssh'ing into them/a.k.a their OWN hardware? BUT, let noone forget the rock steady (IMO), stability of innoscilion's miners. (the a2's are stable as shit, almost 4 years later, WITHOUT MODS)** SO., All in all, i think the A4 is a good buy, given the next few weeks dont report owners saying their's went up in flames heehee (what's up with that microscopic documentation? lol ) **yes, they had the same "growing issues" as these a4's off the bat but there's no denying they are of the "never quit" variety, as compared to the RMA kings Bitmain Yep, stupid move by Inno to lock down the pi account. As for setting a static IP, you can mount the SD card in Linux and edit the network config file, or simply allocate a new IP to any device you currently have that's using the .254 address and use the UI. That's simple to address if you have some basic IT skills. I've been mining for the past 6 hours on Prohashing using no extra password arguments and my 2hr average is 281.5 Mhs. I have to say that I strongly suspect that Inno have added some thermal protection to the A4 which limits voltage when they get too hot, as I've experienced a card stop working a couple of times, and different cards each time. This seems to happen in the high 40s. I can't confirm it yet, just suspicious. My A2's were brilliant, just set and forget. Some times it was months before I even logged on to one, they were that stable. As long as the pool was showing good hash rates I just let them run. Hoping the A4 will be just as stable.
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I had to do that "mount the SD card on a linux system" edit thing on my A2s when I got them from Zoomhash - they had the *last 2* octals of the IP address written on them, but NOT the FIRST 2 - and it turns out they were all on the Class B subnet range and were ALL OVER that subnet.
I've never been able to SSH into them - but they've been rock-solid reliable since I got them set up on the RIGHT subnet for *MY* network.
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Ive updated the php file for the miner web page, nothing which will affect performance or stability, but only GUI features. I added another pool, and im thinking about adding a pool swap button, similar to the old A2 way of switching pools. Cleaned up some of the english, and correctly numbered the pools as 1-4 rather than 1-1.
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Where can you get that miner ?
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Where can you get that miner ?
Well I'd try the main page. They only sell them if you are lucky in lots of 3 at 1800 each w/o shipping wire xfer only just on wire xfer put on when you contact them on main page that this is a 'bitcointalk group buy' you could get lucky and it still works otherwise I THINK it is 5 units min buy and 2100 bucks ...but could be just the 5 units at above price anyway that is how it WAS done ...and told to me (i considered it) Sunday Oct 30th so heck it is worth a shot...maybe the password will work send chloe (sp?) an email in sales on their main page below is this threads main page with info but you will have to contact sales on the page I guess no prices etc listed https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1523298.0;topicseenhttp://www.innosilicon.com/
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Where can you get that miner ?
Well I'd try the main page. They only sell them if you are lucky in lots of 3 at 1800 each w/o shipping wire xfer only just on wire xfer put on when you contact them on main page that this is a 'bitcointalk group buy' you could get lucky and it still works otherwise I THINK it is 5 units min buy and 2100 bucks ...but could be just the 5 units at above price anyway that is how it WAS done ...and told to me (i considered it) Sunday Oct 30th so heck it is worth a shot...maybe the password will work send chloe (sp?) an email in sales on their main page below is this threads main page with info but you will have to contact sales on the page I guess no prices etc listed https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1523298.0;topicseenhttp://www.innosilicon.com/Thanks for the update. Do you have any problem with your unit? I did read the other thread and look like there is some problem with balde dropping ?
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The blades do drop periodically. I have not noticed a pattern yet. A simple reboot does not fix the issue, it requires a power cycle to get the blade online. I have resorted to a switched PDU so that a job on the pi can detect when blades are offline and send a command to the PDU to cycle power on the PDU port.
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Where can you get that miner ?
Well I'd try the main page. They only sell them if you are lucky in lots of 3 at 1800 each w/o shipping wire xfer only just on wire xfer put on when you contact them on main page that this is a 'bitcointalk group buy' you could get lucky and it still works otherwise I THINK it is 5 units min buy and 2100 bucks ...but could be just the 5 units at above price anyway that is how it WAS done ...and told to me (i considered it) Sunday Oct 30th so heck it is worth a shot...maybe the password will work send chloe (sp?) an email in sales on their main page below is this threads main page with info but you will have to contact sales on the page I guess no prices etc listed https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1523298.0;topicseenhttp://www.innosilicon.com/Thanks for the update. Do you have any problem with your unit? I did read the other thread and look like there is some problem with balde dropping ? I do not have one (yet?) I helped with the group buy and talked with them about the group buy but got ZEC gpu setup (lovely 2 year warranties) likely just as silly as an A4 or two..but where I'm at now..anyway what i was told on the above date...worth a shot yet if you plan on getting one worse they can say is the group buy is over
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Hey Papasmurph, Which image version do you need?
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Just as a heads up to potential buyers of the A4. Some of the early Batch 3 miners are now in some forum members hands and they are still reporting dropped cards and restarts. I will defer to those members to post their results here as I don't want to add to or take away from what they are seeing.
So if you are thinking about getting an A4 I would suggest waiting unless your willing to take the risk. Right now it appears that Innosilicon has a plan/policy that is going to leave small purchasers of the Batch 1 and Batch 2 miners to take them to an electronics expert to swap out the MCU at our cost, or for the bigger buyers that bought in large volume they are saying they will ship out a flash programmer jig for them to flash their units. Again not something for the faint of heart in either scenario. It appears at this time the support from Inno is non-existent for the B1 and B2 miners. Innosilicon should be swapping out miners boards that have been corrected to resolve this issue instead of laying this at the feet of customers.
As of this time they(Inno) have reported that Batch 3 miners were fixed, but early reports here are indicating that is not the case. So if you are thinking about buying A4 miners I would not recommend it at this time until they get this sorted out or you will be in the same boat as "we" the early pre-buy customers and left to twist in the wind with no resolution in sight if your miner has issues that requires correction of the miner firmware itself. SD card updates have not resolved the issues with these miners.
So this is a buyer beware NOTICE until Inno gets this sorted out.
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December 08, 2016, 04:04:48 AM |
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Thanks to all, got it running.
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