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November 20, 2015, 08:59:00 PM
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Back on topic..

Is anything safe to use anymore? Look here, spying malware found on hard drive bios. How many people would even think to look there?

Here is the link: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/17/us-usa-cyberspying-idUSKBN0LK1QV20150217#Jf1O2KpXci5dyVQZ.97

I'm not that familiar with Linux. Could they install malware on a hard drive that can self compile, execute and hide? With windows its easy-peasy since no compiling is required. Plus the said malware probably has a valid microsoft certificate  Grin

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November 20, 2015, 09:07:37 PM
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Yeah. The world is moving closer to the time that the NSA etc. can actually use the data they have stolen over the years. People will be divided to sheep and goats, and 8 million pairs of shackles are awaiting the goats in FEMA railway cars. Long time ago I estimated that 75% of the bitcoins are accessible to the NSA with no torture whatsoever, just that they have stolen the passwords via the malware and other methods at their disposal.
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November 20, 2015, 09:08:17 PM
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Back on topic..

Is anything safe to use anymore? Look here, spying malware found on hard drive bios. How many people would even think to look there?

Here is the link: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/17/us-usa-cyberspying-idUSKBN0LK1QV20150217#Jf1O2KpXci5dyVQZ.97

I'm not that familiar with Linux. Could they install malware on a hard drive that can self compile, execute and hide? With windows its easy-peasy since no compiling is required. Plus the said malware probably has a valid microsoft certificate  Grin


Without the co-operation of the operating system this is very difficult if it is even possible at all. More often than not the malware is installed via Windows.

The proper way to deal with this is from the prespective of risk mitigation. One can never eliminate all risk, but one can can eliminate by far most of the risk by simply running a FREE SOFTWARE operating system on the hardware.

Edit 1: One must keep in mind that there remains the risk of being hit by lightning.
Edit 2: Free Software operating systems remain safe to use.

Concerned that blockchain bloat will lead to centralization? Storing less than 4 GB of data once required the budget of a superpower and a warehouse full of punched cards. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/IBM_card_storage.NARA.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched_card
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November 20, 2015, 09:12:06 PM
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Yeah. The world is moving closer to the time that the NSA etc. can actually use the data they have stolen over the years. People will be divided to sheep and goats, and 8 million pairs of shackles are awaiting the goats in FEMA railway cars. Long time ago I estimated that 75% of the bitcoins are accessible to the NSA with no torture whatsoever, just that they have stolen the passwords via the malware and other methods at their disposal.

The NFL is a much greater threat to civil liberties than the NSA. The reason: The NFL requires people to accept DRM and proprietary operating systems in order to watch the Super Bowl.

Edit: The first step in dealing with a threat is to correctly identify it.

Concerned that blockchain bloat will lead to centralization? Storing less than 4 GB of data once required the budget of a superpower and a warehouse full of punched cards. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/IBM_card_storage.NARA.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched_card
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November 20, 2015, 11:33:05 PM
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Edit: The first step in dealing with a threat is to correctly identify it.  ?
Like MS + Redhat teaming up ?

I would say the biggest threat is what i alluded to earlier.. the US govt.

I bet the attacks were motivated at least in part by the War in the middle east.
Sadly all allies to the US are now fair game too.

I have already pointed out how the USA started this.
Seems every American wants ignore a long history of bullying the middle east etc.
Even when your told again and again.

It's no conspiracy there is a long history that led up to 911 that bridged us to where we are now.

All of it is tied to the US govt's actions.
Seems they do what they want and the American people just say oh well i didn't approve etc.

Not trying to bash the US, it's how things are and how they played out.
Sitting here as a Canadian we have been dragged into this "War" like France has etc.

I thought of posting this because of the US laws passed after 911.
the whole terrorism excuse for spying and robbing people of their privacy crap.
Which extends across the borders of course..

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November 21, 2015, 02:39:15 AM
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Edit: The first step in dealing with a threat is to correctly identify it.  ?
Like MS + Redhat teaming up ?
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This misses the point entirely. It does not matter who writes the Free Software Microsoft, the NSA etc. What matters is that anyone can independently review the software.  With propriety software you are not even allowed to look at the code, in fact in many cases it is actually illegal to look at the code.  With DRM you do not even have control of your devices. What you have is the illusion of control.  Focusing on governments ignores the real threat which is corporations trying to control your every move for profit.

Those who do not see the real threat need to learn about the PRISM program.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_%28surveillance_program%29 Cutting off the corporations from the data deals with the whole threat including the much smaller threat posed by governments who for the most part obtain their spying data from those same corporations.

Edit 1: This quote illustrate what I mean by the illusion of control. The only entity who owns a Windows computer is Microsoft.

i think your high on crack buddy.. brain damaged from meth ?

it was a terrorist attack.. plain and simple
save the conspiracy for the Chemtrails and Big Foot.

Since you don't know how privacy laws work or laws that branch country to country
or even how computers work i will just say it wouldn't happen.. ever.

WHY ?

Because guys like me would crack it in a few minutes and spread it across the globe in a heart beat.

I found a Firewall program i liked for windows about 10 years ago now.
You're supposed to buy it to unlock the full version..
So i keygened it and posted it online.
It used a caeser cipher and SHA 256 encryption.
I made 3 keygens.. 1 in .NET (with GUI)
then i made 2 in 'C'
one with a console and one with out. (Win32 API GUI)
THEN.. when i was getting mouthed off by the developer about my handy work online..
I told him he should watch it or "the scene" would have a run at him..
Then i posted a patched .net binary and a picture showing how i could crack and patch his Firewall security
with 1 single fucking byte.. he said i was a liar.
So i posted the picture plus a tutorial and source code for all three keygens and asked him
what did you say ?
He claimed my patch did not work LOL
of course it did hahahha
Then within the week scene groups in the warez scene started pre'ing his ass hard = i had my ROFL'z

But hey it's cute you think you know about computers though.. how adorable LOL

Moral of the story ?
ANY program i have on my machine i crack at will.. i own them.
I am the boss and i AM in charge.. i'm Spoetnik dammit !

Like robin hood i will knock the faggots out and hand the shit out to the common man.
Unlike rich fuckers who live in a Castle with a Bentley.
..uhhm like you ?

PS:
You forgot to self mod this topic baby..

And uhh Off-Topic much champ ?

Edit 2:  The next time you go out count how many security cameras are pointed at you. 1) Those controlled by private businesses 2) Those controlled by governments. Then one finds out who is really doing the spying here.

Concerned that blockchain bloat will lead to centralization? Storing less than 4 GB of data once required the budget of a superpower and a warehouse full of punched cards. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/IBM_card_storage.NARA.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched_card
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November 21, 2015, 07:21:32 AM
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answer the OP's question ?

do what i do.. type everything numerous times LOL
at least if your logged then the guy reading it is gonna go nuts trying to read it.

i once put a keylogger on my own PC to see what my stupid slut ex-girlfriend was doing.
and it was still hard to read even simple bits of info spelled properly.. at least with a raw output format key logging file.

and yeah i caught that dumb whore up to no good and spent a long time quizzing here first all sly like muhahahaha
i made sure i caught her in shit loads of lies before i jammed the logs down her throat and said see bitch ?

Disclaimer:
No slutty lying whores were harmed in the exposing of any sluts with keylogging software.
It is actually not possible to jam a computer text format file down another persons throat.
now you know !
#SpoetnikFacts

And yeah i actually do that.. mostly because i just can't type.. i suck LOL
..so i end up retyping pretty much every damn word i type out (even worse on my Android phone)

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If your gonna hit quote on me ALWAYS give me a few minutes to fix some typo's guys kthxbye

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November 21, 2015, 10:09:43 AM
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Focusing on governments ignores the real threat which is corporations trying to control your every move for profit.

Neither of those is the real problem. I don't believe an extremely industrious family father who can make so much money as to not care about corporations milking him or government taxing him, would be in a danger zone.

Yet, historically I have been, and that has to be because the haters are somebody else, and in my 10-year study of how the world works, I have identified them to be the supranational control groups, who also exercise influence on governments and have made eg. EU nations acts in coordinated insanity for a few months in the face of this (actually - existential) threat they face.

I am merely trying to probe the worst case here. If it cannot be avoided that keylogging gets all my passwords known by somebody, I should reduce my stake on wealth that requires a password to use (going back to PM).

It is a mistake to believe the same amount of resources is used to track and harass me, compared to you. I have caught them doing real-time surveillance in Facebook "private" chat and reading self-destructible messages before the recipient! I think it is idiotic to blow the cover, because the information on how much they are actually willing to spend on me, is flattering, AND useful for you to read. With that amount of interest in things that by all decency should be private, they probably have enough court-compatible evidence to convict me on Money laundering, fraud, embezzlement, failure to file, tax evasion, use and trade of illicit drugs, neglect of use and trade of prescription drugs, DUI, driving without passport and car papers, driving a car registered in another EU member state, driving a nonregistered or uninspected car (or believing so before doing it - even if it turned out that the car was registered and inspected), unbelief and teaching refusal of holocaust, including to minors, neglect to believe and teach support of holocaust, racism, satanism, Christianity, ODD, homosexuality (crime until 1922, insanity until 1970), lack of homosexuality (insanity from 2005, crime from ??), lack of being passionate of being homosexual or not, or caring about it in the others, lack of understanding that free speech does not constitute saying "homosexuality is sin", lack of logic in still accepting homosexuals as people, even as friends, hate speech, hate speech in saying both recent and older research results in the differences of races, and citing researchers about how to manage the pressing issues in front of us, not caring about the UN declaration that says 'races do not exist and even talking in context of race is racism', not caring about the myriad of declarations that since that are talking about race, having the guts to see any problem between the illogicality, treason, conspiracy to attempt to overthrow the government, knowing people personally from more than 50 countries and having travelled in such many (Mexico being the most important with no personal friends though I like Malukah) and still believing that despite that people are similar, they also have differences, hetero porn, gay porn, animal porn, child porn, ..., ... (porn is problematic because the ziomedia are trying to make it as widely legalized as possible to corrupt people the more, so often people are convicted of usually planted files that are injected to their computer or even easier: just claimed that they were there, of the styles of porn that have since been legalized in an attempt to corrupt the people, but can handily be used to throw the freethinkers to prison for a long time as well at the same time, exchanging money without licence, spending money without licence, earning money without license, carrying more cash across border without license, operating a restaurant, a bar, a tobacco store, a gold and silver store, a bitcoin, monero and other virtual asset store (without license), arranging and participating in initial public offerings without license, trying to renovate my manor without license or having workmen who have no license, brushing teeth without license, failing to brush the teeth without license, ...

I was actually born naive  Grin Well a few years of the above teaches you differently .. Facing the insanity that surely is coming, will be easier if your assets are not pawn to the losers who are doing their best to stay in power in these last years with writing already in the wall. (<-- see how reasonable I am, not any desire to be martyred or go to jail or even lose my money, but also not give an inch in to the lying fuckers, and ready to accept what comes!)
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November 21, 2015, 10:58:40 AM
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I am disgusted.......
***cut***
..........move on to evangelism, at least that IS useful in defeating evil  Grin

An evangelist conspiracy theorist.........well, I have two important pieces of news for ya:

There are no gods. Really, it's just a stupid fucking delusion.
Science started as a search for the presence of gods, and they are nowhere to be found,
despite hundreds of years of diving deep into how the universe works.

Check out Occams Razor for your conspiracy theories:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor

Given two possible explananations for the same thing: the least complicated explanation is most likely to be right.

Which is easier to believe; that there is an active terrorist movement with genuine beliefs, or that the CIA/NSA/whoever are so clever that they can create and manipulate these events without anyone ever noticing, except for a few conspiracy theorists ?

Most governments are just as incompetent as most people, so giving them god-like powers to manipulate everything is just plain dumb. (see above)

(As an aside, the current ISIS/Daesh core beliefs were indeed spun up by the CIA back in the 1980's as a psywar technique to motivate the Mujahadeen, to bog the USSR down in their own version of Vietnam...and things snowballed from there into the situation we now face. But there is no way that the CIA/whoever directly control ISIS/Daesh)


As usual with conspiracy theories....i'd love to see some evidence of any kind.

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As usual with conspiracy theories....i'd love to see some evidence of any kind.

Funny that not-so stupid people after enough study, are able to see the evidence in plain sight, and are not even interested to have this discussion any more. If any of the 9 points I mentioned in this thread does not ring a bell maybe the illogic is on you  Wink
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rpietila (Risto),

1. Theoretically the governments can not conquer cryptography. What ever they require over the wire, can in theory be countered with steganography because even governments don't have asymmetric computing resources sufficient to overcome the probabilities of obfuscation afforded by math. (doubt they can monopolize all sources of hardware so I think they can only hope to control the routers on the network) Btw, did you see my prior post today about the failure of Cryptonote anonymity as a paradigm?

2. Rather than identify any one sector as the cause of the lurch towards the NWO clusterfuck, admit it is the "number of man" 666[1]. The implicit nature of man is the beast. Thus pointing fingers towards "globalists", "large scale governance", "alignment of multi-national corporations with globalism" is pointless. The pointed fact is the nature of man is on auto-pilot and will always be (power begets power and a power vacuum begets the powerful). The globalists are powerless to escape the hamster wheel, because the current economic system demands that they do what they do. I have promulgated the theory that the Knowledge Age changes the fundamental economics, which should reset the world after the NWO clusterfuck has killed off all those who partake the 666 (i.e. who don't turn away from the nature of man in this context). Note that Europe (and the rest of the world) embraced humanism (that man is greater than and can control the serendipity of nature, on social issues, environmentalism, climate, and even on the business cycle as Armstrong eloquently points out) and thus is receiving its clusterfuck as a reward. That so many of humanity willingly turn away from themselves being the root cause of the clusterfuck by blaming it on the invented false flag known as "Big T" (for terrorism) is indicative of this process of the nature of man (the denial of the fact that man is not superior to nature).

3. Risto please lose your delusion that Russia is a benevolent actor in this. Russia is playing its role in the clusterfuck, such as heightening the excuse that the Muslims could do terrorism in Europe. Remember Putin was/is the head of Russia secret service, then we know that ISIS means "Israel's Secret Intelligence Service" and see below for the CIA's involvement.


[1] Coincidentally 666nm is the approximate wavelength of "blood red".


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Carving Up the Middle East
Posted on November 17, 2015 by Martin Armstrong

QUESTION: Why did ISIS target France rather than Germany? Someone said it was France who created Syria. Is that really true?

ANSWER: Germany is not actually a target in this chess game. It is one reason we selected Berlin for our conference, even compared to London, since we had Panic Cycles in November. Germany has less than 62,000 in its army and being in the army in Germany was perhaps worse than a tax collector. The joke was that the German army does not shoot. Germany is not in the view of ISIS as is France, Britain, and the USA. Germany may be the biggest economy in Europe, but the people blamed their own military for the nation’s suffering, as did Japan.

Indeed, the Middle East as we know it today emerged from decisions made by the Allies during and after World War I. Britain and France took it upon themselves to transform what had been provinces of the old Ottoman Empire into the modern states we have come to know. This has created an international tinderbox that remains at the core of the current conflicts and politics in the Middle East.

The partitioning of the Middle East into the Arab provinces of the Ottoman Empire was set under the terms of a secret Sykes-Picot Agreement of April-May 1916. The agreement gave Mesopotamia (Iraq), the Gulf, and the regions bordering Palestine to Britain, while Syria and most of the eastern part of the region went to France.

The Cairo Conference was a meeting of Britain’s Middle East experts. The conference began formally on the morning of Saturday, March 12, 1921. The conference approved a plan for giving control over two large pieces of the former Turkish territories that Britain controlled to princes in the Hashemite family. It was agreed that Prince Feisal, with whom T.E. Lawrence had worked during and after World War I, would become king of a new country created from the Turkish Province of Mesopotamia; it would be called Iraq. His brother, Prince Abdullah, would rule a country made up of Palestine west of the Jordan River: Transjordan (now Jordan).

Britain’s interest in the provinces focused on safeguarding the trade route to India to ensure cheap and accessible oil for Britain’s requirements. Therefore, maintaining the balance of power in the Mediterranean was essential to its economic advantage.

France hoped to maintain its centuries-old ties with the Syrian Catholics. In so doing, France looked to establish a strategic and economic base in the eastern Mediterranean. It was not oil then, but maintaining a cheap supply of cotton and silk, that prevented Arab nationalism from destabilizing France’s North African empire. Therefore, France held Syria in the partition process. That is coming back to haunt them to this day.

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/39305

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Siege of Paris Is the Same Group as the Charlie Hebdo Attack

The siege of Paris on November 13, 2015, appears to be the same group inside France. The reason we say this is because they are acting in a cyclical manner and each group will conform to a unique cycle. President Hollande went on national TV to announce a state of emergency for the first time in France since 2005. This measure enables the authorities to close public places and impose curfews and restrictions on the movement of traffic and people.

A review of the entire refugee crisis in Europe is underway with many forming the opinion that this has been an invasion. The likelihood of this attack actually escalating the war in the Middle East is extremely high. There is an external influence, no doubt.

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http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/39316

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It Is Time to Knock off the Bullshit About Surveillance for Terrorism

The worldwide collection of phone calls, emails, and text messages is all about taxes – NOT terrorism. Despite this power, these surveillance methods have failed to prevent even one terrorist act. There was the case of the Boston Bombers, two kids using cell phones, who they failed to catch. Then there was the case when two guys dressed up as women and attacked the NSA itself. They didn’t know about that. Then Charlie Hebdo, that too was a surprise. Now we have an all-out assault on civilians in Paris carried out by three suicide squads, and again, they were clueless. This surveillance does not work because they are only monitoring the people for taxes. Otherwise, they would not be storing everything forever.

Ministry for State Security (Stasi) smelling jars _ From the Vault

Let’s get honest here. The only other intelligence agency to collect evidence on everyone was the notorious Stasi of East Germany. When the wall came down, the extent of the secret police operations targeted against their own people was mind-blowing. What surfaced was their “smelling jars” collection. Yes, the Stasi used odor recognition to keep tabs on anyone they suspected. The Stasi often collected the samples covertly by breaking into homes to stealing a suspects’ used underwear. They then kept them in jars in case they turned up missing to hunt them down.

A friend grew up behind the wall. When it fell, his father obtained the Stasi file on him, just as the NSA now builds files on everyone. In that file, he read that all his friends were reporting him to the Stasi. He no longer retains any friends for his trust in humanity was destroyed.

Come 2017, the G20 will being sharing information on everyone purely for taxes. Any credit, account, or transaction will be reported to your home country. This is all about TAXES, not about truly stopping terrorism. On that score, they have a near perfect record of failure because collecting everything means that there is no possible way to ascertain that a terrorist attack will take place tomorrow. The terrorists can freely use their cell phones because collecting every phone call becomes impossible to sift through in a timely manner.

They will use this incident for even more power. Nonetheless, because everyone now knows that governments collect everything, terrorists would obviously use other forms of messages. Genghis Khan tattooed messages on the heads of messengers and their hair would cover the message up. The Romans established a network of signal towers where messages were rapidly sent over hundreds of miles from one tower to the next.

One of the oldest methods of communication is the pigeon post. As a method of communication, it dates back to the ancient Persians who trained birds. The Mughals of central Asia who occupied a large part of India on through into Afghanistan, used pigeons as messengers. Julius Caesar adopted pigeons as messengers from the Persians during his conquest of Gaul (France). The Greeks also used pigeons to convey the names of the victors at the Olympic games to their various cities.

The Romans also employed a Pony Express where relays would carry messages as well as communications between private people. Letters between wives of high-ranking soldiers have survived, confirming communications were taking place. Indeed, one could actually get a letter from England to Rome in ten days or less. Low ranking soldiers were not allowed to marry and were not allowed to have connections locally. This provided two functions. First, the obvious need to transfer soldiers without complications, but more importantly, no local ties ensured that soldiers would not hesitate to move against citizens in the case of a revolt.

The British, Scottish, and Irish all constructed coastal signal towers like the Romans to warn of the threat of a Napoleonic invasion. Napoleon was a brilliant strategist who created the semaphore telegraph or optical telegraph. The Napoleonic semaphore signal system conveyed information by means of visual signals. It laid the groundwork for our modern communications. Napoleon constructed towers with pivoting shutters. Information was encoded by the position of the mechanical elements.

Perhaps the most famous use of pigeon was the advance news of the British victory at Waterloo of June 19, 1815, used by the Rothschilds. It is true that they too used pigeons, but there is no conclusive evidence that pigeon messengers were the method of communication that gave them a warning two days in advance.

Now that everyone knows that the NSA and every other intelligence agency are collecting everything, those really engaged in terrorism will never use such means. There are many ways around this and training birds began in Persia (Iran). Let’s knock off the bullshit and stop the Stasi tactic of building files on everyone. If they focus solely on the targets to protect society, we just might stop something like this from happening.

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/39274

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G20 Agrees to Share ALL Information on Everyone Starting in 2017
Posted on November 13, 2015 by Martin Armstrong


The Bundestag in Germany has unanimously adopted the automatic exchange of financial data with all other states. Banks will be obliged to report information on credit, interest, and dividends from 2017 to the authorities. You can no longer get a credit card outside of the country. You live to pay taxes. Nobody wants to deal with the nightmare of keeping track of everyone. The costs have already exceeded $200 billion and are rising within the private sector so that these politicians can increase taxes on everything.

Below realize that when Armstrong implicated the oil pipeline he was not seeing the big picture of how the "nature of mankind" is moving into the NWO clusterfuck. The Puritans were yet another example of man thinking he is greater than nature....read below...

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/21995

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Sunni v Shiite Civil War in Islam – Drawing The World Into Another Crusade – Precise with War Cycle
Posted on September 24, 2014 by Martin Armstrong

The entire Benghazi incident was not what it seems. Based upon information and belief, Ambassador Sevens was initially providing arms to Libyan rebels to overthrow Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, who was killed by the U.S. funded rebels on October 20, 2011 during the Battle of Sirte. President Obama signed a secret order authorizing covert U.S. government support for rebel forces seeking to oust Gaddafi, reported Reuters on March 20, 2011. Almost a year after the fall of Gaddafi, on Sept. 11 and 12, 2012, a U.S. diplomatic compound and CIA annex in the Libyan city of Benghazi were attacked, killing four Americans, including U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens who served there between June 2012 to September 12, 2012, reported the Washington Post. However, Stevens had served in Libya twice previously: as the Deputy Chief of Mission (from 2007 to 2009) and as Special Representative to the National Transitional Council (from March 2011 to November 2011) during the Libyan revolution. He arrived in Tripoli in May 2012 as the U.S. Ambassador to Libya.

According to reliable sources, Stevens was then providing arms to Libyan rebels to overthrow Gaddafi via the CIA. On September 3rd, 2013, the Telegraph in London reported that during a meeting at the White House, the president assured Senator John McCain that after months of delay the US was meeting its commitment to back moderate elements of the opposition. Steven was appointed to the National Transitional Council in March 2011 BEFORE Gaddafi was killed in October 2011. Obviously, Stevens was in the middle of the CIA operation.

Recently declassified documents, General Ham knew within minutes that our Benghazi consulate was not only under attack, but that it was a terrorist attack. General Ham immediately informed General Dempsey, the two of them immediately informed Secretary Panetta, who immediately met with President Obama. Therefore, within an hour, President Obama KNEW the ambassador and his staff were under attack by a well-armed terrorist group. He then ordered that NO ASSISTANCE be provided to the consulate staff, four of whom were killed.

The mystery is that help stood near by. Why no help? Was this because the arms supply had shifted from Libya to Syria and this was pay-back for CIA shenanigans? Weeks following the incident, Obama and many of his aides (including then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and then U.N. Ambassador/now National Security Adviser Susan Rice) REPEATEDLY told the public the violence had been the result of a protest over a YouTube video gone awry. Obama and Clinton told the victims’ families that they had no idea it was a terror attack or that the consulate was in serious danger.

After Obama’s re-election campaign was over, only then did evidence emerge that the video story was a cover-up and the Obama administration then apologized for having knowingly and deliberately LIED to American voters at a sensitive time to win the campaign. While being questioned about this, Hillary Clinton in her tactless response: “What DIFFERENCE does it make?”

The difference is that the U.S. funded elements of ISIS and this was a political move with an objective to help Saudi Arabia (Sunni) get a pipeline through Syria to compete with Russia for the European market. What is clear, is that ISIS is well-funded and is intent upon creating war with Christianity – a very radical sect of Islam that is as extreme as the Puritans were in England. Their radical goal is to inspire all Muslims to join their cause around the world. The Puritans outlawed kissing your wife in public, all sports because it led to cursing, plays because acting was a lie, and even Christmas with spies peeking in your windows to ensure you were not celebrating. When they arrive in America as the “Pilgrims” they slaughtered 600 Indians because their women were bare-breasted and that offended God. The Puritans also beheaded King Charles I before the French Revolution. So there are extremes in all religions and Islam as a whole will join these radicals for the majority of Sunni do not share their ideas.

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/14205

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Syria – Benghazi Connection
Posted on September 4, 2013 by Martin Armstrong

What is taking place in Syria is far more complicated than most people suspect. As with everything, there is the story, and then there is the truth lurking behind the story. The region has been flooded with weapons supplied to rebels initially in Libya that have flowed to Syria, Mali, and even back to the streets in the USA. Nothing but nothing is what it appears. There is way too much bullshit for we are far beyond a shovel – we now need full blown mining equipment to get to the truth about anything.

John Christopher Stevens (1960–September 12, 2012) was the American diplomat and lawyer who served as the U.S. Ambassador to Libya from June 2012 until his murder on September 12, 2012. The entire Benghazi incident is far deeper than most people would ever dream. True, the Obama administration is covering up the incident as 22 CIA agents were present at the time.

One source has reported that the CIA has been subjecting operatives working in Libya to frequent polygraph tests to make sure they are not leaking information about Benghazi. Why? What is lurking in the shadows? The real reasons why and the connection to Syria today are discussed behind-the-curtain – not in the open.

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November 21, 2015, 11:50:33 AM
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I edited my prior post and note the bolded portion I added.

Hmm... I just found out about this man here. He's a former US Marine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltV-zdKdpDA

Much of what he is saying is correct. The Pentagon / DoD had a report leaked from 2012 that accepted that any Sunni terrorist group may attempt to establish themselves in eastern Syria and that Saudi / Qatari / Turkish / US backers believed this would assist in destabilising Assad, which is the main goal. And after turning two secular regimes into failed states, they are now going for three. Next up of course is Iran itself.

https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/secret-pentagon-report-reveals-west-saw-isis-as-strategic-asset-b99ad7a29092#.ka6ifvkuw

However, complicity is not the reason they haven't attacked Israel. On a geopolitical level I would think that the Israeli's would prefer to keep the secular Assad regime in control, although stopping the flow into hezbollah from Iran via Syria may override this. But, ISIS, the frankenstein's monster of militant groups, is following the strictest version of the end of days and to stray from it is sinful, as they state in their own propaganda. So first they deal with the Shia (whom they see as apostates), then they will deal with Sunni's from Saudi who are disbelievers, then attempt to take Turkey (before being beaten back into Syria). All the while holy war overseas is permitted to incite hatred of muslims so they will return to the caliphate. Those who flee the caliphate for Europe are seems as disbelievers.

While I see all these endless foreign policy blunders are central to the problems in the Middle East, the cat is out of the proverbial bag. ISIS is different to al qaeda in that getting rid of the western powers from the middle east is not a big part of their ideology. They've let this baby monster bloom and not foreseen the consequences. Now we all have to deal with it. And sickeningly, western powers use the terrorism and deaths to pass further restrictive laws they'd never get passed without atrocities; the shock doctrine in effect.

Do not forget the long debate I had upthread where I explained with strong evidence that the Israel's Mussod was the likely perpetrator of 9/11.

Also re-read my prior post as I added several relevant blog posts from Armstrong to our information set.

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November 21, 2015, 12:20:48 PM
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Note that Europe (and the rest of the world) embraced humanism

Unless at least some EU countries can make Iceland-style revolution happen in 2 months, including driving the occupation force away, I will have to agree with you that the people here are clueless, and they have learned nothing from the tragedy of 9/11 and the loss of the liberties in the U.S.
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November 21, 2015, 12:43:37 PM
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Note that Europe (and the rest of the world) embraced humanism

Unless at least some EU countries can make Iceland-style revolution happen in 2 months, including driving the occupation force away, I will have to agree with you that the people here are clueless, and they have learned nothing from the tragedy of 9/11 and the loss of the liberties in the U.S.

Please re-read my long post again. And listen to the linked YouTube. Russia is not benevolent. The people-at-large are embracing humanism (even the Puritans did, it is a repeating aspect of human nature). Period.

Rather than embracing humanism by trying to determine which of men are good and which are evil, which is just evil humanism...

Work for the only certain truth. The only certain truth is that we are not in control. Embrace serendipity. Learn to be not vested in a perspective. Take what nature gives and synergize with it to benefit the most people. This is life. We are not in control. All those "normal people" (who think they are rational because of their misapplication of the notion of science and Occam's razor) who wish terrorism is real so they don't have to admit that the people (as in ourselves) have created (vested in) a clusterfuck of promises to themselves (ourselves) are just in denial and will perish for it.

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November 21, 2015, 01:43:35 PM
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I really don't want to get off on philosophical tangents again, but at least let me repeat the summary I made to my gf about this matter.

Essentially man gets bound up in wanting to point a finger between good and evil, so as to protect one's own vested interests. Men want to think they've accomplished something and thus for example the desire to blame terrorists rather than just admit that all governance at any level is corrupt. And the larger the government, the more power and the more corrupt. Period.

The Lord said this in 1 Samuel 8 according to the Bible (believe in a God or not, my point is only that the principle is contained therein).

So Risto, I think you've still got to learn to lose your European humanism (the concept that some group is good and another is the evil invader) and join use tribal folks here in the Philippines (or my American Cherokee ancestors) who seemed to better appreciate that we only own our moments and memories and not the land nor the future.

The EU (and Euro) was created as grand idealism of the triumph over man over nature (to end wars, etc). Thus its clusterfuck was assured from the start and the starry-eyed culpability of the population-at-large is undeniable.

So I told my gf, don't worry about any of it. Just live your life for each day and do the best you can. We are not in control. I contrasted how a decade ago the challenge for filipinos was no hope of escaping severe poverty and now there are opportunities to work abroad, but this comes with new opportunities including a globalist world that is headed towards some clusterfuck scenarios, yet there will be opportunities. So carpe diem!

For myself, I need to accept I am not in control and anything I do is fleeting because the future of nature must be freedom (degrees-of-freedom). Easier to say than do.

Edit: The most fundamental law of science (according to Einstein), the Second Law of Thermodynamics requires that the overall trend of the universe it towards maximum entropy (i.e. disorder). Man has a bias to prefer order over disorder, where disorder means more diversely distributed probabilities for outcomes. Thus the assumptions that large governments are not corrupt and that ubiquitous Big T is real and not a false flag is counter to the notion that larger things are inherently too ordered and a disordered explanation is more probable, i.e. the total misapplication of Occam's Razor by Evildave up thread. One might retort by claiming that since a large government is too ordered, then it is more probably a government couldn't organize such things, but the fact is that you see the people choosing the ordered explanation from the government, thus the Coasian barrier sustains the humanism and misapplication of Occam's Razor until it fails in a Waterfall effect as the truth and disorder (the Minsky Moment) punches through the inertial barrier.

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November 21, 2015, 02:11:23 PM
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A god is merely a word that describes any concious entity that has absolute freedom - that is to say the ability to do anything, including designing their own universes. Solipsistically, we're all eternal by way of the fact that it's impossible for us to experience nothingness, hence we can only ever experience somethingness, thus we're eternal. Given that eternity is not just an existence without end, but crucially without beginning, it is reasonable to assume that we, as eternal beings, have already experienced every permutation of existence possible to experience, including that of a God, and given that a God cannot be over-powered, it is reasonable to assume that we exist as humans on earth voluntarily. Thus life on Earth can be considered a form of entertainment: A holiday away from being God.

In any event, Gods are not something to be worshipped. Fuck gods.

As for Paris, the experienced mind will know this as a Zionist attack - it is about as obvious as it gets. The perpetrators were most likely captagon addicts (Fenethylline) as well as being disillusioned wannabe Muslims with a low IQ. Where you have retards in the company of geniuses, you have the opportunity for exploitation. The lower the IQ of the retards, and the higher the IQ of the geniuses, the greater the exploitation and control. Add a heavy dose of captagon addiction, and it's defacto mind control. Pretty much all reports of ISIS are no different. Isolated groups of retards and mercenaries carrying huge bags of captagon around with them wherever they go, high without pain or fear, bizarrely spiritual delusions of grandeur, popping pills every 5 or 6 hours. Overseen, guided and financed always of course, by their Tel Aviv based watchers.

If nothing else Islamic terrorism is not a thing, and it never has been a thing. Whether you want to talk about the King David Hotel bombings of 1946, the West Berlin discotheque bombings of 1986, Lockerbie, 9/11 New York attacks, 3/11 Madrid attacks, 7/7 London Attacks or these recent attacks in Paris. All of these attacks can be linked back to Israel or other forces that support political zionism, or the much crazier messianic zionism.

I've spent almost 14 years researching 9/11, and anyone who does the same, and who is good at what they do will come to the same conclusion.

The trouble is that the majority of Americans and Europeans (and other proxy Western nations) are all fucking brainwashed. They haven't got a clue what's going on. Not a clue.

And seeing as that's not going to change for a very long time....RIP world.

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November 21, 2015, 02:20:39 PM
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All of these attacks can be linked back to Israel or other forces that support political zionism, or the much crazier messianic zionism.
It gets better and better, not sure if this is the next level of pure awesomness trolling or just retarded as fuck.
Either way this thread is pure comedy gold.
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November 21, 2015, 02:41:22 PM
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All of these attacks can be linked back to Israel or other forces that support political zionism, or the much crazier messianic zionism.
It gets better and better, not sure if this is the next level of pure awesomness trolling or just retarded as fuck.
Either way this thread is pure comedy gold.

Hey friend. I'd like to debate this with you on Skype. I'm always happy to hear counterpoint perspectives and always keen to converse with people who are more knowledgeable than myself.

Let's do video chat on Skype. I have around 75000 XMR, 100 BTC, and a spattering of altcoin funds.

You can have it all if you're able to sustain a 30-minute videochat and present a meaningful counterpoint.

I'd will upload the debate onto Youtube if I may.

I'd like to start with the differences between political zionism and messianic zionism, and we can move onto Israeli involvement in 9/11 after that? Deal?
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November 21, 2015, 03:22:54 PM
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Yes, and now I have in the last 48 hours both rejected holocaust and posted public my ideas about how to overthrow the treasonous government of Finland. If ever my account turns sheep again, remember that it's the only way to get out of the institutions of chemical mindcontrol terror.

By the way it took 6 weeks last time, instead of two... But I think my neuroplasticity has improved I will instinctively know how to turn sheep in a shorter time this time. It is also possible that an ordinary prison is the way to go. I don't believe in accidents - they already know it would radicalize people a bit too much. I may be an important thought leader now, but it they cut me away, instead of one, we will have 10 important thought leaders - so many people know the same (and are even better in their deed) but are dormant now because of not feeling the existential threat that compels them to act.

I don't trust anyone who provably has not been to prison or received other blows for his thinking.
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November 21, 2015, 03:36:21 PM
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Yes, and now I have in the last 48 hours both rejected holocaust and posted public my ideas about how to overthrow the treasonous government of Finland. If ever my account turns sheep again, remember that it's the only way to get out of the institutions of chemical mindcontrol terror.

By the way it took 6 weeks last time, instead of two... But I think my neuroplasticity has improved I will instinctively know how to turn sheep in a shorter time this time. It is also possible that an ordinary prison is the way to go. I don't believe in accidents - they already know it would radicalize people a bit too much. I may be an important thought leader now, but it they cut me away, instead of one, we will have 10 important thought leaders - so many people know the same (and are even better in their deed) but are dormant now because of not feeling the existential threat that compels them to act.

I don't trust anyone who provably has not been to prison and received blows for his thinking.

I'm starting to realize that all the mental patients, especially paranoid schizophrenics with delusions of grandeur, are actually the only sane people on this planet. This is a totally original notion that I just came up with. It really blew me away!



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