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November 22, 2015, 07:15:59 PM
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Gold can be stolen by just taking it. For bitcoin to be stolen the private key needs to be revealed, which is much harder to do.

If every Bitcoin user was a computer expert and if Bitcoin client software was flawless that would be the case, but it isn't.

Violence and greed have existed long before people started using precious metals.

But it requires more effort to hack into a PC than to pickpocket somebody.

The pickpocketers have lower IQ than PC hackers, thus since high IQ is rare, if everybody would use bitcoin, the amount of thefts would be much much rarer than with physical money.

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November 22, 2015, 07:31:05 PM
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It's not. We can't blame a physical object for the greed of all people. Far ago when there is still no gold where people uses anything to trade in exhange of something they want, there is already a greed. Be it if there is a gold or none, people gave value to anything so it's not the "gold" fault if people are greedy enough to fight over it.

Of course but that physical object is what makes people "sick"

You cant blame Uranium that causes people to die if they touch it, it's not  Uranium's fault, nontheless it does make people die, so maybe we should not play with it?

The same goes for gold, it's not gold's fault that it has this effect on people, but it does have a negative effect, so maybe we should not play with it?

so what do you suggest? if we remove gold another source of evil will come up. you said that gold and other physical object make people do bad
things, so what would you suggest? unless some says what will the alternative for gold and other physical object this conversation will never stop

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November 22, 2015, 07:38:30 PM
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It's not. We can't blame a physical object for the greed of all people. Far ago when there is still no gold where people uses anything to trade in exhange of something they want, there is already a greed. Be it if there is a gold or none, people gave value to anything so it's not the "gold" fault if people are greedy enough to fight over it.

Of course but that physical object is what makes people "sick"

You cant blame Uranium that causes people to die if they touch it, it's not  Uranium's fault, nontheless it does make people die, so maybe we should not play with it?

The same goes for gold, it's not gold's fault that it has this effect on people, but it does have a negative effect, so maybe we should not play with it?

so what do you suggest? if we remove gold another source of evil will come up. you said that gold and other physical object make people do bad
things, so what would you suggest? unless some says what will the alternative for gold and other physical object this conversation will never stop

I dont want to impose anything on anybody, I just put out interesting ideas.

My suggestion would be to drop gold and use bitcoin instead.

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It's not. We can't blame a physical object for the greed of all people. Far ago when there is still no gold where people uses anything to trade in exhange of something they want, there is already a greed. Be it if there is a gold or none, people gave value to anything so it's not the "gold" fault if people are greedy enough to fight over it.

Of course but that physical object is what makes people "sick"

You cant blame Uranium that causes people to die if they touch it, it's not  Uranium's fault, nontheless it does make people die, so maybe we should not play with it?

The same goes for gold, it's not gold's fault that it has this effect on people, but it does have a negative effect, so maybe we should not play with it?

so what do you suggest? if we remove gold another source of evil will come up. you said that gold and other physical object make people do bad
things, so what would you suggest? unless some says what will the alternative for gold and other physical object this conversation will never stop

Considering a currency responsible instead of a person is just plain ludacris. Only a lunatic would even listen to such a statement.
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November 22, 2015, 07:46:11 PM
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Considering a currency responsible instead of a person is just plain ludacris. Only a lunatic would even listen to such a statement.

Exposure to Uranium causes: dizziness, headache, lightheadedness, halucinations.

Exposure to Gold causes: extreme greed, evilness, and a tendancy to commit atrocities.


These metals both have their health effects on humans Cheesy


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November 22, 2015, 09:02:37 PM
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Considering a currency responsible instead of a person is just plain ludacris. Only a lunatic would even listen to such a statement.

Exposure to Uranium causes: dizziness, headache, lightheadedness, halucinations.

Exposure to Gold causes: extreme greed, evilness, and a tendancy to commit atrocities.


These metals both have their health effects on humans Cheesy



I like that, however I don't agree. The greed is not caused by gold, it is caused by an internal sickness. Greed can be triggered by many items; money, gold, assets, fame, power etc.

So it is like a mental disease.
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November 22, 2015, 09:39:38 PM
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@OP: Regarding the past, you are right. Gold was a major factor in many wars; although oil has replaced it in last years.

But there is not a single asset that can be regarded as the "root of evil". It is more about scarcity of things generally. In the past, scarcity was very high in most societies; large portions of the population lived in what we today would call "extreme poverty" until the early 20th century. So a high-priced asset like gold could change the lives of many people, that's why greed of gold was so important in wars.

We actually move to a world where scarcity is not more so drastic than it was. Even in developing countries, there are growing middle classes that can satisfy most of their needs. I think single assets like gold and silver are losing terrain, more so if they have no real "intrinsic value" for the economy (or an inflated one, like in gold, which is used in electronics but is a minor factor there). Until renewable energies dominate our economies, oil/petroleum will still be relevant, because it has real use for the industry.

Bitcoin should not be viewed as an advancement because of its scarcity. That's why I'm not thinking it's the "digital gold". It should be viewed as a pretty efficient payment system. Bitcoin's scarcity is only relevant because it's a factor that has influence in its value stability.





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November 22, 2015, 09:57:02 PM
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@OP: Regarding the past, you are right. Gold was a major factor in many wars; although oil has replaced it in last years.


Oil seems to be a temporary asset since the 1800s, plus nobody is interested in the instrinsic value of oil, because it doesnt have one, but rather in the energetic value of it.

When you see a barrel of oil you are not mesmerized, like if you would see a bar of gold. People could care less about the black liquid of petrol because there is nothing interesting in that, they only care about it's energetic value and heating effects.


Or in other words oil is just a raw material, that in itself doesnt have intrinsic value, only if you use it. And that is also temporary, once the oil cartels dissapear and we switch to clean energy: solar panels ,etc . Oil will worth then as much as a mud puddle.



However gold was valuable since the first person saw it, from the first humans to the last humans, gold will mesmerize anybody and have it's charm on them.

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November 22, 2015, 10:00:12 PM
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So people who deny gold has a charm effect on humans please watch these pictures for a few seconds:





Now tell me that it doesnt invoke greed in you?

Just when you see these shiny bars your mind triggers and starts producing adrenaline and other chemicals that trigger your "greed instinct", and make you want to grab them out of your monitor Cheesy


You see gold has a charm, and that charm can be dangerous.

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November 22, 2015, 10:09:48 PM
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If not gold it will be other metal or anything ... the unsatisfiable greed is the root of all evil.


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November 22, 2015, 10:13:47 PM
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If not gold it will be other metal or anything ... the unsatisfiable greed is the root of all evil.


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No other metal has a charm effect like gold has:   silver is shiny but not that defined and capturing, platinum is like silver , but only more value than gold because of scarcity.

However gold has the real charm aura around it, and there is no (discovered) metal in the universe that can replicate that.

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If not gold it will be other metal or anything ... the unsatisfiable greed is the root of all evil.


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No other metal has a charm effect like gold has:   silver is shiny but not that defined and capturing, platinum is like silver , but only more value than gold because of scarcity.

However gold has the real charm aura around it, and there is no (discovered) metal in the universe that can replicate that.

Do you insist to know all metals? What you are saying about the gold is subjective.
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November 22, 2015, 10:32:48 PM
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If not gold it will be other metal or anything ... the unsatisfiable greed is the root of all evil.


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No other metal has a charm effect like gold has:   silver is shiny but not that defined and capturing, platinum is like silver , but only more value than gold because of scarcity.

However gold has the real charm aura around it, and there is no (discovered) metal in the universe that can replicate that.

Do you insist to know all metals? What you are saying about the gold is subjective.

Well i dont think there are any other metals (or for that matter any other substance) that is as charming as gold in the entire Universe.

We have discovered all elements until 120 protons I think. The isotopes are unstable,and the matter with 120+ protons are radioactive or decay very fast into less complex matter.

So basically the periodic table is all you got, and by far Gold is what stands out from it.


So I can safely say that it is not subjective, and gold indeed has a charm on all humans, and its the only substance in the universe to do this.

Some studies shown that even dogs where charmed by shiny gold.

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If not gold it will be other metal or anything ... the unsatisfiable greed is the root of all evil.


My precioussssss : D

No other metal has a charm effect like gold has:   silver is shiny but not that defined and capturing, platinum is like silver , but only more value than gold because of scarcity.

However gold has the real charm aura around it, and there is no (discovered) metal in the universe that can replicate that.

Do you insist to know all metals? What you are saying about the gold is subjective.

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Well i dont think there are any other metals (or for that matter any other substance) that is as charming as gold in the entire Universe.
subjective. Have you been outside the mother Earth? Do you dig deep into some asteroid?
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We have discovered all elements until 120 protons I think. The isotopes are unstable,and the matter with 120+ protons are radioactive or decay very fast into less complex matter.
Are we discovered all elements? Prove it.
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So basically the periodic table is all you got, and by far Gold is what stands out from it.
subjective. Also there are theories that some elements are intentionally kept out from the current periodic table.
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So I can safely say that it is not subjective, and gold indeed has a charm on all humans, and its the only substance in the universe to do this.
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Some studies shown that even dogs where charmed by shiny gold.
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November 22, 2015, 11:15:11 PM
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It is the love of money which is the root of all evil. If you lust for things that are of this world, you will never grow spiritually. This war we are in must be won with soul power and knowledge. Physical force must be resisted with soul force. Lies must be countered with organized knowledge, so here I will post some details for our discussion.


Not all money, I havent seen bitcoiners going on crusades and enslaving people.

Sure there are bitcoin scams and other minor things, but the scale is nothing compared to gold


because gold is use a currency back then, and it has a value which you use to buy food and some other stuff.
even if let say sea shells where use as currency back then it will be the same as the gold it will cause people to do
evil stuff.

Not really fiat money was always in some sort circulation even in ancient Babylon. They used copper or nickel coins as fiat money for ordinary people, whereas the lords used gold for their wars and slavery.

So most people were using fiat always, and only the elite were using gold.
You can just consider greed itself to be the root of all evil. We all know we want more than what we have. Even if we're the richest person on the planet, we would still want to have MORE.




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November 22, 2015, 11:20:29 PM
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You can just consider greed itself to be the root of all evil. We all know we want more than what we have. Even if we're the richest person on the planet, we would still want to have MORE.

Exactly what I was implying.
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So people who deny gold has a charm effect on humans please watch these pictures for a few seconds:

Now tell me that it doesnt invoke greed in you?

Just when you see these shiny bars your mind triggers and starts producing adrenaline and other chemicals that trigger your "greed instinct", and make you want to grab them out of your monitor Cheesy


You see gold has a charm, and that charm can be dangerous.
Shiny things induce pleasure.
Your point is only due to the fact that we know gold has greater value than many of the other common metals.

The scarcity of it also adds to what we know so far about it; of course you would want to get those gold bars!

If I show a kid who has NEVER seen anything except for a wall for 5 years a gold bar, they'll be interested by it! They'll have the same interest as if I show them a shiny silver bar. Or a copper bar. Or even glass.

Gold only has its "charm" because it is generally known that gold is valuable.
(It also looks nice and smooth)

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What can you do before the coming melt down?

1.  demand honest money (gold and silver)

2.  support the underground economy

3.  Avoid taxes any way you can.  It's patriotic to withhold payments to a cuorrupt corporate state

4.  Be as self sufficient as you can.  It will help you in the future

5.  Join a network of like minded people

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Shiny things induce pleasure.
Your point is only due to the fact that we know gold has greater value than many of the other common metals.

No, pleasure and greed are different things. Pleasure it induced by oxitocin and serotonin hormones , greed is by testosterone and adrenaline and others.

The feeling of you wanting to get those bars is exactly the work of those chemicals in your brain.

So yes gold affects you chemically, or from metaphysical point of view you can say that it's the devil's grasps.

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November 23, 2015, 05:10:54 AM
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If not gold it will be other metal or anything ... the unsatisfiable greed is the root of all evil.


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No other metal has a charm effect like gold has:   silver is shiny but not that defined and capturing, platinum is like silver , but only more value than gold because of scarcity.

However gold has the real charm aura around it, and there is no (discovered) metal in the universe that can replicate that.

Do you insist to know all metals? What you are saying about the gold is subjective.

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Well i dont think there are any other metals (or for that matter any other substance) that is as charming as gold in the entire Universe.
subjective. Have you been outside the mother Earth? Do you dig deep into some asteroid?
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We have discovered all elements until 120 protons I think. The isotopes are unstable,and the matter with 120+ protons are radioactive or decay very fast into less complex matter.
Are we discovered all elements? Prove it.
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So basically the periodic table is all you got, and by far Gold is what stands out from it.
subjective. Also there are theories that some elements are intentionally kept out from the current periodic table.
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So I can safely say that it is not subjective, and gold indeed has a charm on all humans, and its the only substance in the universe to do this.
wrong assumption
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Some studies shown that even dogs where charmed by shiny gold.
links?
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Basic chemistry, we know for a fact that isotopes are unstable and that they look the same on the surface as their closest element.

Elements above 80 are all gray color and without much shining, even the newly discovered 114 element is gray, but it's so rare that you can see it only in microscope.

Other than that, other things are not solid. If you want antimatter or other strange matter to be your charm then its not a good example because these stuff are not solid.

So yes gold is the only solid, touchable and visible metal that has the biggest charm around it in the entire Universe.

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