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April 30, 2020, 08:56:53 AM
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You may say whatever you want to. But the matter of the fact is my objections are sound and valid. You have every right to boost your post counts because of signature campaign (I am not judging you based upon that ). Yes I am not satisfied with betroar operating with low transparency in this forum. Its not all about my 0.0035 btc, I will not accept any cent from them (Hope that will make things easier), I just want them to answer my objections which is clearly they are avoiding.

The matter of the fact is that they've actually replied to your objections. So I'm really curious what are you expecting to hear ?  bit brawlers the game is not provably fair , as it can't be done.  ( Stunna who is I think someone in a high position on stake also confirmed that they couldn't figure it out how to make this type of game provably fair .    Though considering it's a PVP , and a stream from saltybet I'm confused as to how you think betroar is scamming you.

About the pushed bets part , get over it , the biggest gambling platform push bets when certain situations occur , error  etc .

Also I'm very curious why you brought "donsifon"'s case back to live and why are you claiming nothing was done then , and no answers etc when they've actually provided all evidence to close that case ? Are you connected with him in some way ?

If you got time please look my previous posts there are at least 4-5 times when I supported people who got scammed by bunch of thugs running casino or helping them to put forward their case with respect to reputed casinos so that they can get justice. 'donsifon' is also one of them and as per my judgment there is not much valid evidence against him to confiscate his winnings. One can argue same for you also getting paid my betroar or collaborating with them to propagate their unlicensed and not provably fair   casino. But I will not go on that level. As far as provably fair system is concerned they are taking hefty fees and using salty bet platform so natural objection is, 'is there any possibility that salty bet is collaborating or exploiting betroar's platform.', since they are unregulated this becomes more and more important. Until they    come up with some valid answers I will suggest any player to,
Stay away form betroar as they are unregulated and not provably fair.
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April 30, 2020, 09:44:50 AM
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You may say whatever you want to. But the matter of the fact is my objections are sound and valid. You have every right to boost your post counts because of signature campaign (I am not judging you based upon that ). Yes I am not satisfied with betroar operating with low transparency in this forum. Its not all about my 0.0035 btc, I will not accept any cent from them (Hope that will make things easier), I just want them to answer my objections which is clearly they are avoiding.

The matter of the fact is that they've actually replied to your objections. So I'm really curious what are you expecting to hear ?  bit brawlers the game is not provably fair , as it can't be done.  ( Stunna who is I think someone in a high position on stake also confirmed that they couldn't figure it out how to make this type of game provably fair .    Though considering it's a PVP , and a stream from saltybet I'm confused as to how you think betroar is scamming you.

About the pushed bets part , get over it , the biggest gambling platform push bets when certain situations occur , error  etc .

Also I'm very curious why you brought "donsifon"'s case back to live and why are you claiming nothing was done then , and no answers etc when they've actually provided all evidence to close that case ? Are you connected with him in some way ?

If you got time please look my previous posts there are at least 4-5 times when I supported people who got scammed by bunch of thugs running casino or helping them to put forward their case with respect to reputed casinos so that they can get justice. 'donsifon' is also one of them and as per my judgment there is not much valid evidence against him to confiscate his winnings. One can argue same for you also getting paid my betroar or collaborating with them to propagate their unlicensed and not provably fair   casino. But I will not go on that level. As far as provably fair system is concerned they are taking hefty fees and using salty bet platform so natural objection is, 'is there any possibility that salty bet is collaborating or exploiting betroar's platform.', since they are unregulated this becomes more and more important. Until they    come up with some valid answers I will suggest any player to,
Stay away form betroar as they are unregulated and not provably fair.
You are so annoying type of scammer/shittyspammer. If casino didnt pay you enough money or if you bust free money, you start crying to get more money.
In every gambling topic stake/primedice/bitsler there are people like you.
Even when i had some problem with betroar, they solve it really fast. They make mistake to give 100k sat for everyone and scammers like you and don sifone wanna make a lot of money from this promo.
So better dont post becouse nobody care about your fake opinion.
 
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April 30, 2020, 10:03:19 AM
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I do not understand why people are taking it so personally, I may be shitty spammer (just like you described) that has nothing to do with my objections regarding betraor.
They solved your problem and gave you some 100k sats, thats ok mate but that does not lead to the conclusion that they are running a fair casino. You should read my earlier post where I said clearly that I do not want any money from them anymore ( though they owe me).
Let them answer my objections (no matter how silly those are in your opinion) after all thats why we are here in this wonderful forum. Apart from unregulated and unlicensed they are not keeping proper records (like mentioning odds in bit brawler matches).  
Am I wrong asking this?
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April 30, 2020, 10:24:09 AM
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I do not understand why people are taking it so personally, I may be shitty spammer (just like you described) that has nothing to do with my objections regarding betraor.
They solved your problem and gave you some 100k sats, thats ok mate but that does not lead to the conclusion that they are running a fair casino. You should read my earlier post where I said clearly that I do not want any money from them anymore ( though they owe me).
Let them answer my objections (no matter how silly those are in your opinion) after all thats why we are here in this wonderful forum. Apart from unregulated and unlicensed they are not keeping proper records (like mentioning odds in bit brawler matches).  
Am I wrong asking this?
You are making shit in this topic to get more money thats why people take it personally.
We both know why you said you dont want money from them(cents is not enough, you want more).
There is no legal bitcoin gambling casino, PD and Stake have some fake curacao license, you need to pay for it.
The license doesnt mean nothing in gambling world.
Of course you are not wrong but they already answer on your question and you keep spamming and make mess to get money.
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April 30, 2020, 01:59:27 PM
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When you confiscate winnings and tell players to roll over 25x, yes its kind of stealing.

Nobody confiscated your winnings. The match was a push and everyone had their bets returned in accordance to our terms and conditions and we didn't collect any platform fee.

Other members on bitcointalk had pointed this out:

Bitbrawlers is a parimutuel game. Odds are variable and the prize pool is from other players betting. Betroar has no stake in who wins, loses, or if there is a push. They collect a platform fee after each match.

If anything, Betroar has an incentive to have a result be determined, as they only collect the platform fee when winnings are paid out. In the event of a push, you simply get your original stake back, without any cut taken.

All you are now doing is making baseless accusations possibly because you want more free bitcoin. You're not getting anymore free bitcoin.
 
You didn't complain when you were winning and cashing out to your wallet. Why is that? Why is it now suddenly you are being a sore loser and making accusations when luck doesn't go your way? You didn't even lose your own money. It was all bonus money. In fact you didn't make a single deposit into Betroar, yet you want to be treated like some kind of VIP despite having the attitude of a typical person on Yelp who thinks they are a food critic.

Probably fair doesn't mean what you think it means. So called "provably fair" gambling games use a deterministic pseudo random number generator with a server and client seed. And "provably fair" is a marketing gimmick because nothing is stopping the gambling operator from manually inserting seeds they know of in advance in order to rig the game while still appearing to have a "provably fair" hash.
 
Bitbrawlers does not use a deterministic pseudo random number generator like this and therefore doesn't use the "provably fair" gimmick. You'll notice that sportsbooks also never use the "provably fair" gimmick either for the same reason.

Do you know what else isn't provably fair? Physical card games. Physical dice games. Sports matches. Horse Races. Yet people still bet on these things. Bitbrawlers is the same. It doesn't use a pseudo random number generator with a seed pair, therefore it doesn't use the "provably fair" gimmick. .

Betroar doesn't pay Saltybet any money. It is a public third party stream watched by hundreds of users. Betroar has no influence on the results of the stream.
 
If you don't like Bitbrawlers that's fine, nobody is forcing you to play. We can still offer it whether you like it or not. Players can decide if they want to play or not. We offer traditional sports and esports betting as an alternative for anyone not interested in Bitbrawlers.
 
And Donsifon is a confirmed cheater who placed bets after the event started and several bitcointalk members turned against him a few pages ago after seeing the proof. Now he just wants to stir up some drama.

Here's a quick reminder who Donsifon is:

During our cashout review, we were able to confirm that donsifon had been abusing an exploit that we have since patched. This exploit allowed players to keep multiple browser tabs open in order to change their wagers after an event has concluded. We patched this exploit on January 24th.

Below is our record of this users bets that were made after betting activity:



Betting that took advantage of the vulnerability is highlighted in yellow. We understand that players will always try and get an edge and bend the rules of our site to their advantage. However, given the scale of the exploitation in this case and the ensuing abuse to our suport staff from this player, we decided to ban them from future action on BetRoar and return his original deposit.

Below is a PM of Donsifon trying to extort money from us:

Indeed. Here’s the “proposal” donsifon sent to us:



Does this not read like an extortion letter? Why would someone who isn’t a cheater want to settle for 50% like that? Isn’t that something only a cheater would do after they’re caught?

He also sent us a threatening message telling us he will destroy our search engine ranking if we don’t let him withdraw any amount that he wants:



And here is the reaction from the bitcointalk community about Donsifon:


Well in this case I think user should consider himself lucky for even getting his initial deposit back . Other casino usually seize all funds and lock the accounts permanently.

Personally I agree with AlexSimion. I would want to lay as low as possible and not attract attention if I found a bug like that. I think going all in like that would look pretty fishy. Also no sorry but that "50% discount" especially after seeing those messages that guy posted looks really shady to me. It just screams "Russian shakedown" to me.

It does look like a shake down after reading all this. I like betroar except that sometimes it takes a while for bets to be graded. I'm still waiting on XFL games from Saturday and Sunday.

donsifon you are fucking retarded or what xD?
Why you want only 0.2 if they "own" you 0.4 xD
Why u send them message that if you get 0.2 you will play only on betroar xDDDD?
I have feeling that you find some exploid and want scam betroar.
You act like scammer xD

EI BITBRAWLERS, BIG MOTHER FUCKER SCAMMER,

Why u dont put the real bet history??'

I will show you again= https://pasteboard.co/J6d8OOH.jpg

The real bets: https://pasteboard.co/J6dbSSq.jpg

why u manipulate my last bets,, motherfucker???

WHY U LOWER MY ODDS....

WHY YOU GIVE MORE BONUSES WHEN I ALREADY HAD THE DEPOSIT BONUS?? Because is you strategy that I will not finish the rollover bonus 25x.

But of course,, the motherfucker bitbrawler scammer,, will tell you another history. And of course,, this retard still setted the bets after 2,3,4... days.

why u dont talk about u sportsbook license,, mother fucker?'?? where is you license?? you silence like a bitch now???
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April 30, 2020, 08:43:49 PM
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Stay away form betroar as they are unregulated and not provably fair.


Lots of bitcoin gambling sites aren't licensed. What's your point? Also list me one sports book that is provably fair. It's like you don't understand what provably fair means but insist on spamming it all over the thread anyway. Everyone can plainly see you're doing this to try to force betroar to pay you more free money to gamble with. You're even teaming up with a known scam artist to do it! Can you be any more obvious than that?
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April 30, 2020, 10:05:57 PM
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When you confiscate winnings and tell players to roll over 25x, yes its kind of stealing.

Nobody confiscated your winnings. The match was a push and everyone had their bets returned in accordance to our terms and conditions and we didn't collect any platform fee.

Other members on bitcointalk had pointed this out:

Bitbrawlers is a parimutuel game. Odds are variable and the prize pool is from other players betting. Betroar has no stake in who wins, loses, or if there is a push. They collect a platform fee after each match.

If anything, Betroar has an incentive to have a result be determined, as they only collect the platform fee when winnings are paid out. In the event of a push, you simply get your original stake back, without any cut taken.

All you are now doing is making baseless accusations possibly because you want more free bitcoin. You're not getting anymore free bitcoin.
 
You didn't complain when you were winning and cashing out to your wallet. Why is that? Why is it now suddenly you are being a sore loser and making accusations when luck doesn't go your way? You didn't even lose your own money. It was all bonus money. In fact you didn't make a single deposit into Betroar, yet you want to be treated like some kind of VIP despite having the attitude of a typical person on Yelp who thinks they are a food critic.

Probably fair doesn't mean what you think it means. So called "provably fair" gambling games use a deterministic pseudo random number generator with a server and client seed. And "provably fair" is a marketing gimmick because nothing is stopping the gambling operator from manually inserting seeds they know of in advance in order to rig the game while still appearing to have a "provably fair" hash.
 
Bitbrawlers does not use a deterministic pseudo random number generator like this and therefore doesn't use the "provably fair" gimmick. You'll notice that sportsbooks also never use the "provably fair" gimmick either for the same reason.

Do you know what else isn't provably fair? Physical card games. Physical dice games. Sports matches. Horse Races. Yet people still bet on these things. Bitbrawlers is the same. It doesn't use a pseudo random number generator with a seed pair, therefore it doesn't use the "provably fair" gimmick. .

Betroar doesn't pay Saltybet any money. It is a public third party stream watched by hundreds of users. Betroar has no influence on the results of the stream.
 
If you don't like Bitbrawlers that's fine, nobody is forcing you to play. We can still offer it whether you like it or not. Players can decide if they want to play or not. We offer traditional sports and esports betting as an alternative for anyone not interested in Bitbrawlers.
 
And Donsifon is a confirmed cheater who placed bets after the event started and several bitcointalk members turned against him a few pages ago after seeing the proof. Now he just wants to stir up some drama.

Here's a quick reminder who Donsifon is:

During our cashout review, we were able to confirm that donsifon had been abusing an exploit that we have since patched. This exploit allowed players to keep multiple browser tabs open in order to change their wagers after an event has concluded. We patched this exploit on January 24th.

Below is our record of this users bets that were made after betting activity:



Betting that took advantage of the vulnerability is highlighted in yellow. We understand that players will always try and get an edge and bend the rules of our site to their advantage. However, given the scale of the exploitation in this case and the ensuing abuse to our suport staff from this player, we decided to ban them from future action on BetRoar and return his original deposit.

Below is a PM of Donsifon trying to extort money from us:

Indeed. Here’s the “proposal” donsifon sent to us:



Does this not read like an extortion letter? Why would someone who isn’t a cheater want to settle for 50% like that? Isn’t that something only a cheater would do after they’re caught?

He also sent us a threatening message telling us he will destroy our search engine ranking if we don’t let him withdraw any amount that he wants:



And here is the reaction from the bitcointalk community about Donsifon:


Well in this case I think user should consider himself lucky for even getting his initial deposit back . Other casino usually seize all funds and lock the accounts permanently.

Personally I agree with AlexSimion. I would want to lay as low as possible and not attract attention if I found a bug like that. I think going all in like that would look pretty fishy. Also no sorry but that "50% discount" especially after seeing those messages that guy posted looks really shady to me. It just screams "Russian shakedown" to me.

It does look like a shake down after reading all this. I like betroar except that sometimes it takes a while for bets to be graded. I'm still waiting on XFL games from Saturday and Sunday.

donsifon you are fucking retarded or what xD?
Why you want only 0.2 if they "own" you 0.4 xD
Why u send them message that if you get 0.2 you will play only on betroar xDDDD?
I have feeling that you find some exploid and want scam betroar.
You act like scammer xD

EI BITBRAWLERS, BIG MOTHER FUCKER SCAMMER,

Why u dont put the real bet history??'

I will show you again= https://pasteboard.co/J6d8OOH.jpg

The real bets: https://pasteboard.co/J6dbSSq.jpg

why u manipulate my last bets,, motherfucker???

WHY U LOWER MY ODDS....

WHY YOU GIVE MORE BONUSES WHEN I ALREADY HAD THE DEPOSIT BONUS?? Because is you strategy that I will not finish the rollover bonus 25x.

But of course,, the motherfucker bitbrawler scammer,, will tell you another history. And of course,, this retard still setted the bets after 2,3,4... days.

why u dont talk about u sportsbook license,, mother fucker?'?? where is you license?? you silence like a bitch now???


Wtf scammmer, betroar support showed proof that you was cheating.You and Cry just trying to get free money from this site.
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I will not accept any cent from them

If you won't accept any cent from betroar, then you should return the BTC you cashed out from betroar back to them and show proof of the transaction with a blockchain link.
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May 01, 2020, 03:51:13 AM
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I will not accept any cent from them

If you won't accept any cent from betroar, then you should return the BTC you cashed out from betroar back to them and show proof of the transaction with a blockchain link.

Ok I am ready, tell your boss to deduct it from my confiscated winnings and keep the rest to fund their shady unlicensed casino.
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Here you can read more info about Betroar.io: http://100bookies.com/betroar-review/

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May 08, 2020, 07:22:00 PM
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Seriously, when someone doesn't provide any proof at all and just talks profanity it basically confirms that they are wrong. I am not saying betroar is the best casino or anything like that, they are certainly unique and I like it for that but it really just a place that you can gamble and there are a lot of places you can gamble as well, so this place is unique but if they didn't existed the gambling world wouldn't stop.

However these guys are legit, they have showed all the things you have done and basically showed all the proof that there was a problem as well with your accounts and how you didn't played fairly and all that. In return? You basically just called them a motherf**ker scammer and that is it, I am sorry but it is quite easy to make a pick here who is right and who is wrong.

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May 29, 2020, 09:58:23 PM
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@Donsifon: Best place is rep thread maybe?

You should check the post history of this thread. Bitcointalk user marcotheminer won and cashed out from Bitbrawlers. He never came on here to bitch and moan like you do.
 
Another player who cashed out was AlexSimion and he would give bug reports on here, but he was super nice about it and not an absolute entitled dick head like you are.

Can attest, I was able to 10x the bonus/more. I'll need to catch up in the thread, lots of things catching my eye.


You may say whatever you want to. But the matter of the fact is my objections are sound and valid. You have every right to boost your post counts because of signature campaign (I am not judging you based upon that ). Yes I am not satisfied with betroar operating with low transparency in this forum. Its not all about my 0.0035 btc, I will not accept any cent from them (Hope that will make things easier), I just want them to answer my objections which is clearly they are avoiding.

The matter of the fact is that they've actually replied to your objections. So I'm really curious what are you expecting to hear ?  bit brawlers the game is not provably fair , as it can't be done.  ( Stunna who is I think someone in a high position on stake also confirmed that they couldn't figure it out how to make this type of game provably fair .    Though considering it's a PVP , and a stream from saltybet I'm confused as to how you think betroar is scamming you.

About the pushed bets part , get over it , the biggest gambling platform push bets when certain situations occur , error  etc .

Also I'm very curious why you brought "donsifon"'s case back to live and why are you claiming nothing was done then , and no answers etc when they've actually provided all evidence to close that case ? Are you connected with him in some way ?

I think it's a novel idea, sure some work to be done but it could work as a level-playing game.

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CryCryptoCry is really not a stranger to bitcointalk community, I have seen in many places, mainly in altcoin I think but I am not sure where exactly but I have seen him before, I remember he was on earnbet topic as well promoting that place too. So, he is not like some random gambler who happens to think he got scammed when he just lost or something, dude does gamble in different places.

But whenever there is a scam accusation, I rather wait for a solution and result, I do not really like to side with any party right away, I want this to move on further and the solution to be found, or maybe not found but at least wait for the final blow before I could make a decision. Right now it doesn't affect me so I do not care about it at all, but I will be waiting and watching it for a while.

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