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November 20, 2012, 01:49:16 PM
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Charity Raffle
Opportunity International: Giving the poor a working chance

I'm sure all of you know me by now, I've run three raffles so far and over $2000 worth of products have been won via those raffles, and I also run a Bitcoin hosting company. Tenakha is a known money lender and does BTC -> GBP exchange in the UK, with a history of good feedback.

As I'm aware, a lot of you (like me) believe passionately in the ability of free people to better their lot in life via market mechanics, so we're going to be donating the profits to Opportunity International, a charity which provides a hand-up rather than a hand-out to hard-working people in some of the world's poorest countries. Opportunity International provides access to savings, small business loans, insurance and training to more than four million people working their way out of poverty in the developing world. Clients in over 20 countries use these financial services to start or expand a business, provide for their families, create jobs for their neighbors and build a safety net for the future.

A few facts about the charity:
- 1.26 million people have microloans from Opportunity.
- The average first loan is around $250.
- 84% of its beneficiaries are women, who make up 70% of those living on $2 a day or less.
- 96% of beneficiaries pay back their micro-loans, meaning that the money can be used to help somebody else.
- Most work is in Malawi, Mozambique, Tanzania and Ghana.


As you can see, this is a real mission to allow free enterprise to lift people out of poverty in developing countries. Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, give him a fishing rod and he can feed his family for life.

Because of the Aid Match programme in the UK, we have chosen to donate to the UK branch of the organization rather than the US branch. Tenakha has kindly agreed to process the donation as he is a UK taxpayer and thus eligible for the programme.

This means that for every 1 GBP we raise, the UK government will match the donation. This will be funded directly from the International Aid budget, much of which would otherwise end up in the hands of despots or countries with space programmes. The goal of this raffle is to raise 64 BTC for charity, which will be doubled to 128 BTC or around $4000 (at today's rate).


Aid Match Programme has now closed, the entire donation will be 64 BTC.

There will be 256 tickets, each of which will cost 0.5 BTC, for a total intake of 128 BTC.

To buy a ticket, PM Luceo with the subject 'Charity Raffle', the number of tickets you would like, and a BTC address for us to send any winnings to.

The prizes will be as follows:
1st: 33 BTC
2nd: 21 BTC
3rd: 10 BTC

Total Intake: 128 BTC

Total Prizes: 64 BTC
Charitable Donation: 64 BTC (x2 because of Aid Match) = 64 BTC

Determining the Winner:
- The hash of the first block generated and relayed after 0:00 UTC the day after the last ticket is sold will determine the winners.
- The final two characters of the hash of the aforementioned block will determine the first place winner, who will receive 33 BTC.
- The next two characters from the end of the hash of the aforementioned block will determine the second place winner, who will receive 21 BTC.
- The next two characters from the end of the hash of the aforementioned block will determine the third place winner, who will receive 10 BTC.

An example:
0000000000000166c6987cfd687b0777bd6800a798db1f31b3cab74528bacf43

First place winner would be ticket 43. Second place would be ticket cf. Third place would be ticket ba.

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Refunds Paid:
2.0 BTC QuantumQrack (1GGr8xzXSNPkhtv2TJ2ndd9os4nTSXF2zF) - 4edc25d77d97cebfa6969473bfa475cd993c9ec23d1486711ec7dc4756bf40a3

Edit: Great idea from DutchBrat. If you'd like to pledge your winnings to Opportunity International, please use 15ruUNKaqZrDm6v8tzgGgs41bwKRLxMJJi as your payout address. I will mark pledged tickets in green.

Please give generously, and thanks for your support Bitcoin community.

Declarations
I will hold all funds in cold storage until the end of the raffle, I will then pay out the prizes and deposit 64 BTC to Tenakha (15ruUNKaqZrDm6v8tzgGgs41bwKRLxMJJi).
Tenakha will sell the 64 BTC at spot price in the UK and donate the proceeds to Opportunity International via Aid Match, providing a receipt of some kind.
I will not be profiting from this raffle.
Tenakha will not be profiting from this raffle.
Neither of us are affiliated in any way with Opportunity International. I have previously donated to the organization once, never to the UK branch.
If Aid Match ends before the draw, we will NOT be matching the donation, it will just be 64 BTC. - This is now the case.

EDIT: Refunds Policy
As sales are slow, I'm allowing any user to request a refund to be processed within 60 days (All my remaining Bitcoins are in cold storage as I'm short on BTC in the short term). In order to request a refund, please sign a message with the address you used to deposit Bitcoins to the raffle, or with your payout address, requesting a refund to that address. If you'd like to donate the Bitcoin to Opportunity International, or split between that and a refund, please sign a message to this effect with the address you used to deposit.
Note: If sales pick up, I reserve the right to cancel this refunds policy with a 7 day warning (i.e. you will have a 7-day window to request a refund from when I announce the cancellation).

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November 20, 2012, 02:09:50 PM
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If you give me a deposit-address I will buy 4 tickets to kick things off  Wink
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November 20, 2012, 02:13:04 PM
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PMing you a deposit address.

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Sent the 2 BTC and I would also like to publicly announce that I am donating all of my winnings to the same charity.

If I win anything I will send them to Tenakha (15ruUNKaqZrDm6v8tzgGgs41bwKRLxMJJi) as well.

i love the spirit of Christmas Cheesy

Good luck with the charity raffle and thanks Luceo
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November 20, 2012, 08:35:56 PM
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16 up so far. 1/16 of all tickets sold. Smiley

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November 20, 2012, 09:13:10 PM
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Sound like the "teach a man to fish" charity - those are the best Smiley

Cheers for putting sc2btc.com down for 10 tix.
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November 20, 2012, 09:35:56 PM
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Appreciate your entry, sir.

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November 21, 2012, 02:33:41 PM
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I'm in for 2 tickets. Thanks for all your hard work.
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November 22, 2012, 12:54:57 AM
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Tickets up, keep the orders coming guys, let's get this donation in well in time for Christmas.

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November 22, 2012, 11:35:24 AM
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Excellent. I hope I win, but even if not, I'm glad to help out during this holiday season.
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November 23, 2012, 04:39:32 PM
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Couple up for EasyAt.

Who else wants to join us? Smiley

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I see that you got me added. Thank you sir.
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November 26, 2012, 12:48:22 AM
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C'mon guys, let's get these moving!

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C'mon guys, let's get these moving!

Hopefully this one will go a lot faster than the asic raffle. Smiley
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November 30, 2012, 11:30:17 AM
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Got a couple saying they're going to enter when more people enter. Grin

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November 30, 2012, 12:30:07 PM
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C'mon guys, let's get these moving!

You are probably a good guy and mean well. I am NOT saying, that you are scammer. I see you like to do something good but I think you are wasting your time and other peoples coin.
Charities are scams and never really help the proposed target. Most of the money is wasted on keeping the charity machine running and captains well paid and with healthy account balances. It's a business and really ugly one.
Charities and all sorts of "protection" and "rights" organisations/services/etc are the worst. Their business plans require spreading of FUD ( Fear, uncertainty and doubt). More fear and bullshit they spread, more money they can get and only loser in this ugly game is the "protected" one (and fools who support that racket). 
This is not the way to help people who need helping - all you do is make some greedy sociopath in this "charity" scam a bit richer.

Do not take it personally.

Cheers
 

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Hey EskimoBob,

I know a lot of charities do end up paying a lot into the pockets of beneficiaries who aren't the ones you'd expect (usually lobbying groups), but OI is very transparent about its figures and I've checked them out.

They are also endorsed by (amongst others): Bill Gates, Bill Clinton, Princess Anne, the First Lady of Uganda and HP.

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Hey EskimoBob,

I know a lot of charities do end up paying a lot into the pockets of beneficiaries who aren't the ones you'd expect (usually lobbying groups), but OI is very transparent about its figures and I've checked them out.

They are also endorsed by (amongst others): Bill Gates, Bill Clinton, Princess Anne, the First Lady of Uganda and HP.

If any of those names are a some sort of a seal of honesty and trust for you, I think you are in real trouble. Smiley 

Bill Gates - this guy is a liar and a fkn thieve.
Bill Clinton - LOL, this guy is a politician for fk sake! He is a borderline sociopath and a pathological liar.
And rest of those names, LOL, really? Smiley

Please, find some better way to help those in real need and not those, who are lazy drugged up fucktards, demanding! next handout.

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Hey EskimoBob,

I know a lot of charities do end up paying a lot into the pockets of beneficiaries who aren't the ones you'd expect (usually lobbying groups), but OI is very transparent about its figures and I've checked them out.

They are also endorsed by (amongst others): Bill Gates, Bill Clinton, Princess Anne, the First Lady of Uganda and HP.

If any of those names are a some sort of a seal of honesty and trust for you, I think you are in real trouble. Smiley 

Bill Gates - this guy is a liar and a fkn thieve.
Bill Clinton - LOL, this guy is a politician for fk sake! He is a borderline sociopath and a pathological liar.
And rest of those names, LOL, really? Smiley

Please, find some better way to help those in real need and not those, who are lazy drugged up fucktards, demanding! next handout.

Not everything is a conspiracy theory. Now go buy a ticket. Smiley
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Just paid 4 BTC to 15ruUNKaqZrDm6v8tzgGgs41bwKRLxMJJi

Good luck Wink

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Just paid 4 BTC to 15ruUNKaqZrDm6v8tzgGgs41bwKRLxMJJi

Good luck Wink

Thank you for your participation. Luceo is usually pretty quick about getting tickets added. I've participated in a previous raffle of his and it was handled well.
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Just paid 4 BTC to 15ruUNKaqZrDm6v8tzgGgs41bwKRLxMJJi

Good luck Wink

That address is the direct donations address, so I'm assuming you weren't looking for tickets. :S

I always do one address per entrant because there's no other (easy) way to know who's sent BTC.

If you are after some tickets, please can you send 5 BTC to yourself at the input address and I'll get tenakha to sort out that BTC moving to the prize fund wallet.

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No need tickets, Happy thanksgiving

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December 13, 2012, 08:33:58 PM
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Anyone else?

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Anyone else?

That list is looking pretty slim. I hope some people join in. This is a good raffle.
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Opportunity International discriminates against men when giving loans. I don't think this is a good charity choice.
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Opportunity International discriminates against men when giving loans. I don't think this is a good charity choice.

Really? I hadn't heard that. Where did you discover this info?
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Opportunity International discriminates against men when giving loans. I don't think this is a good charity choice.

Opportunity loans to men and women, but uses criteria such as 'living on less than $2 a day' (70% of people in this circumstance are women), 'likelihood of repayment' and 'has custody of children' to prioritize loans.

"Numerous studies, as well as Opportunity’s experience working with women clients, support the prevailing view that women and girls create more developmental change for each dollar invested in them. Opportunity’s innovative microfinance programs and unique banking model have helped millions of women create or grow small businesses. While microfinance is available to both men and women entrepreneurs equally, the gains that women achieve are three times more likely to be invested in their children – providing a powerful generational multiplier that accelerates economic growth."

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December 30, 2012, 01:03:09 AM
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I don't like the loan idea. The fund should be given freely and let the ones that benefit decide how and when to pay it forward.

Do you really want to have the poorest of the poor feeling like they owe you/someone ?

pEACe

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If you give away $1000, you help one person.

If you loan $1000, and get back $960 (average payback rate 96%), you can help tens of people.

Microloans are proven in the third world and these are loaned specifically to help people start and grow businesses & employ neighbors, that's why there are other charities doing what Opportunity International is doing.

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What is the status of this raffle?  Christmas has come and gone.  Nobody is purchasing any tickets.
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January 29, 2013, 02:26:31 AM
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Still going, waiting for more buyers.

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January 30, 2013, 09:51:17 PM
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Let me fix that "Let's Give The Poor a Working Chance!" slogan for you

How about "Let's Give The Poor a Chance to work and earn a decent income" (or learn a new trade)

You can throw truck loads of money at those poor people but greedy governments and corporations will take it all away faster you can waste another pile of coin on pointless "make ME feel good" happenings.

If you really want to do some good, take this pile of money and go to those people directly (pay your own expenses!) and actually teach them a new and useful trade or something.
 So, before you fuck up some "poor" guys life with american jeans and shiny plastic shit form absurdly rich and greedy megacorporation, think who relly needs saving.  Wink

Helping some poor guy to become a slave to a fkn loan, is actually a really ugly thing to do.

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+1 ---^^

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Bump.

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February 21, 2013, 11:10:35 PM
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Scam.  No raffle took place, cannot get any btc back.  Another sad tale of a bitcoin community member not doing the right thing and screwing over other community members.
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February 21, 2013, 11:36:41 PM
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Nowhere in the original topic is there a clause which even allows for refunds. It says that when the tickets are sold, the draw will occur.

You've seen Bitcoin shoot up in price, realized you have 2 BTC locked in here (yes, seriously, 2 BTC) and decided you'll ask for an 'immediate' refund. I've offered you, as a gesture of goodwill, a refund when I next get coins out of cold storage in 40-60 days.

Of course there hasn't been a draw because all of the tickets haven't sold, if you're incapable of reading then that isn't my problem. If you'd like a refund, let me know and I'll sort it within 60 days.

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February 22, 2013, 01:59:47 AM
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From PM, since I have a nasty feeling you're going to try to make this a long drawn out process over $60:

I expect you to do the right thing in absence of any service rendered.

No, you happened to regain an interest in these 2 BTC right as Bitcoin hit $30. I didn't at any time promise you'd have access to a refund, or that I'd hold Bitcoin in full reserve, the only thing I promised is that when all the tickets sell, I will pay out. Which I will.

You didn't provide any service, you just took people's bitcoins in that raffle which never happened.  I am going to conclude that you are simply running a scam.

So your hypothesis is that I've paid out over $2,500 in prior raffle prizes, set up countless dedicated servers etc. just to scam you out of sixty bucks. Real classy, guy.

You can either refund my people's bitcoins, or determine a winner from the raffle participants.  Your choice.

Actually that's not my choice. If I determined a winner from all entrants without selling all the tickets, I would be in violation of what I said I would do in the original post. Then, I would be a scammer. If 100% of current entrants wish me to run a 12 BTC raffle with 6 BTC going to the winners in proportion and 6 BTC going to charity, I will do so, but any less than 100% and I'm not going to change the terms as that would be unfair on the other entrants.

If you don't want to do the right thing, then shame on you.  You are no different than all scammers involved in bitcoin unfortunately.  Same mentality.

1). The original agreement was that I pay out 128 BTC upon the sale of the 256th ticket, 64 BTC to the winners and 64 BTC to the charity via tenakha. I have not violated this agreement.

2). The original agreement, which you agreed to by sending Bitcoins, does not allow for any refunds. Despite this, I have offered you a refund within 60 days if you want it.

3). I'm making no money from this raffle, yet now I'm wasting my time with you over $60. Somewhat unsurprising that you weren't willing to kick up a fuss when it was $20 or $24. All of a sudden you want to back out of a contract you voluntarily entered into, and I'm the scammer?

4). You asked for a refund to an address other than your withdraw address on the thread, yet you bought tickets on IRC and I have no way to confirm that this user is even you. I will only process refunds to the user's withdraw address, or the address which their Bitcoins were sent from. I'm not going to get into a game of lost Bitcoins with people.

If you want a refund, please post here that you want one. If you want to keep posting meaningless crap, insults and threats in my thread, they will be ignored.

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Sorry, you are a scammer.  But take heart, because you are in good company with many other scammers (who don't think they are scammers and justify their actions by a touting a bunch of bullshit rules) in the community.  This will be my last bitcoin charity unfortunately.  The bitcoin community is too full of dishonest people.  The right thing to do is to give back people's funds in absence of any raffle.  Simply "moving the goalposts" to the next charity raffle doesn't suffice.  This makes me wonder if you are indeed even sending the monies from the charities to the people you say they are going to.  Sorry, but your character is now suspect, and I advise against anybody from participating in any of Luceo's so called charities.  This will be my last post in this thread.
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Sorry, you are a scammer.  But take heart, because you are in good company with many other scammers (who don't think they are scammers and justify their actions by a touting a bunch of bullshit rules) in the community.

Sorry, you're talking out of your anus. I haven't scammed anyone, I'm not operating a bank so people will have to deal with a delay if they want a refund. Pro-tip for you: if you want to dump your Bitcoins when they bubble, do not spend them and then ask for them back.

If this bothers you so much, why didn't you read the terms of the thread which you agreed to?

Why do you assume I should have your money on-demand when you also want me to store it 100% backed? Usually you pay for full reserve banking.

This will be my last bitcoin charity unfortunately.  The bitcoin community is too full of dishonest people.  The right thing to do is to give back people's funds in absence of any raffle.

And, if the raffle is cancelled, I will return all funds within sixty days of it not happening. I'm not going to run off with anyone's money, maybe you don't think your reputation is worth $360 or whatever this raffle is currently holding, but mine is worth far more.

Simply "moving the goalposts" to the next charity raffle doesn't suffice. This makes me wonder if you are indeed even sending the monies from the charities to the people you say they are going to.

What are you talking about? This is the only 'charity' raffle I've run on this forum, all of the others have been for-profit raffles as they said in the opening threads. All of the people who won those raffles got paid and confirmed it in those threads.

I don't run Opportunity International, so I can't be held responsible for what they do with any money we send them. You'll have to ask Tenakha for evidence of where the money goes when it's sent.

If you're going to try to assassinate my integrity, please have some evidence.

Sorry, but your character is now suspect, and I advise against anybody from participating in any of Luceo's so called charities.  This will be my last post in this thread.

Good, if you can't and/or don't want to commit to something, please don't participate in it. If $60 means enough to you to go around insulting people and throwing your toys around on the forum, I'm sorry for your struggle. If you want a refund, please let me know, or I'll assume that you don't and that you want to keep your tickets.

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Here is a PM that Luceo sent me.

"If you want a refund, you will need to post publically on the thread.

Your refund will either go to the address you sent from, or to the payout address indicated, and will be processed within 60 days of you making that post.

Thanks."  -- Luceo




1HzRVho3wrsC3hGBDmmBH8z9JkuVMj2uE1  <--Please send refund to this address.
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Here is a PM that Luceo sent me.

"If you want a refund, you will need to post publically on the thread.

Your refund will either go to the address you sent from, or to the payout address indicated, and will be processed within 60 days of you making that post.

Thanks."  -- Luceo

1HzRVho3wrsC3hGBDmmBH8z9JkuVMj2uE1  <--Please send refund to this address.

60 days?  Shocked
Are you expecting BTC to drop back below those levels where you sold this poor guys coin?
BTW, what is the BTC loan interest now days? 1% per week?

While reading what I wrote, use the most friendliest and relaxing voice in your head.
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Here is a PM that Luceo sent me.

"If you want a refund, you will need to post publically on the thread.

Your refund will either go to the address you sent from, or to the payout address indicated, and will be processed within 60 days of you making that post.

Thanks."  -- Luceo

1HzRVho3wrsC3hGBDmmBH8z9JkuVMj2uE1  <--Please send refund to this address.

I have no way to confirm that you are the person who sent the Bitcoins originally. We spoke on IRC and I didn't check if you were idented, or if you were the same person as QuantumQrack on the forum.

Therefore, I can only refund to an address which I can confirm belongs to the original purchaser of the tickets. Please advise if you'd like me to send to the address you sent this transaction from (which that isn't) or to your original payout address (1GGr8xzXSNPkhtv2TJ2ndd9os4nTSXF2zF).

Please advise, and your refund will be made on or before 28th April 2013. By accepting a refund, you give me permission to post the address & transaction ID here confirming that I've refunded your money.

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[Another PM from Luceo]

"Hi,

I can't process a refund to a random address, it will have to either go to the address you send payment from or to the address you originally indicated you wanted winnings to go to.

This is standard practice to ensure that you're the same person who originally paid. Please advise on the thread."

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Here is a PM that Luceo sent me.

"If you want a refund, you will need to post publically on the thread.

Your refund will either go to the address you sent from, or to the payout address indicated, and will be processed within 60 days of you making that post.

Thanks."  -- Luceo

1HzRVho3wrsC3hGBDmmBH8z9JkuVMj2uE1  <--Please send refund to this address.

60 days?  Shocked
Are you expecting BTC to drop back below those levels where you sold this poor guys coin?
BTW, what is the BTC loan interest now days? 1% per week?


In an irc chat earlier, Luceo said he would refund EVERYBODY's btc who participated in the lottery.  I hope I am not the only one he is pursuing this with.  So there is more btc on the line here than just mine.
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If the raffle is cancelled, there will be a full refund issued to every participant (this is probably obvious to most people, not necessarily to you) as per our IRC conversation (I notice that you left that clause out though, aptly). The raffle has not been cancelled, and nobody apart from you has asked for a refund.

If they do, I'll be happy to oblige on the same terms that you're getting (in full, to deposit or payout address, within 60 days). This isn't a free no-risk banking service where you deposit Bitcoin and get them back whenever you want, you're purchasing a service which you knew the risks on at the time of purchase.

If I'd closed the BFL Single SC raffle the first time somebody cried about how long it was taking (and by the way, that raffle had periods of weeks without sales while Bitcoin values flew up -- so will this one), it wouldn't have been a huge success, sold 1,024 tickets and paid out over $1,800 worth of prizes.

With regards to the address, are you being deliberately obtuse or are you not the same person as the QuantumQrack I spoke to on IRC? Your deposit was this transaction. The input address was 1NB4igXt2X85wEbJLF6J51L3WZxXtx8sjs.

Would you like a refund to 1NB4igXt2X85wEbJLF6J51L3WZxXtx8sjs or to 1GGr8xzXSNPkhtv2TJ2ndd9os4nTSXF2zF? If you fail to request a withdrawal to one of these addresses, I'm going to have to assume you're not QuantumQrack (the person who bought the tickets) and ask you to sign any future messages to me with the deposit address (1NB4igXt2X85wEbJLF6J51L3WZxXtx8sjs) to prove their validity.

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This is a warning to all those who are considering doing business with person named Luceo on the Bitcointalk.org forums.  Any charity affiliated with Luceo is suspect as is Luceo's character.  When requesting a refund I have met nothing but resistance, classic scammer attitude.  Make sure you are checking out the people involved in the so called charity and the charity itself.  Make sure there is evidence that the bitcoins you are sending through Luceo and Luceo's affiliated "projects" are going, in fact, to a legitimate charity that you can identify.

Luceo said via IRC that he would refund EVERYBODY's btc, which obviously has not taken place.  One point to remember, when you send your btc, it is effectively gone.  Although my personal amount was small, the aggregate of people's btc can be significant.

 I suspect that Luceo's charity is a large scam, with no funds being sent to help anybody at any time.  If the charity had worked as planned, I am sure somebody would have "won"--but again I suspect that they are pocketing the largesse of the btc and not sending it to people whom they say they are sending it to.

My particular payment was immediately sent to an address used by Usagi, therefore I conclude that it is probable he is part of this as well.  Given the nature of tracking btc and tracking which btc belongs to who, it is difficult to provide hard evidence and I don't want to spend the time to do it.

Anyway, you have been warned.  Stay away from any of Luceo's "projects".

Would recommend that all charities use a form of escrow, otherwise, beware.
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This is a warning to all those who are considering doing business with person named Luceo on the Bitcointalk.org forums.  Any charity affiliated with Luceo is suspect as is Luceo's character.  When requesting a refund I have met nothing but resistance, classic scammer attitude.  Make sure you are checking out the people involved in the so called charity and the charity itself.  Make sure there is evidence that the bitcoins you are sending through Luceo and Luceo's affiliated "projects" are going, in fact, to a legitimate charity that you can identify.

Luceo said via IRC that he would refund EVERYBODY's btc, which obviously has not taken place.  One point to remember, when you send your btc, it is effectively gone.  Although my personal amount was small, the aggregate of people's btc can be significant.

All I've seen in this thread is you make wild accusations, obviously be incapable of understanding simple sentences, and otherwise act like a moron. 

For example, you seem incapable of answering whether you'd like the BTC paid out to the actual account you sent it from, as the agreement clearly states, or what.  Are you just too stupid to understand that simple request, or are you not even who you claim to be?

Since you've misunderstood everything said right here in this thread, I have no reason to believe you about some IRC conversation.  I believe he probably said exactly what he said here, which is that he'd refund everyone's BTC if the raffle is closed.

I recommend everyone stay away from you, and all the bullshit that comes out of your mouth.

If anyone is a scammer here, it's you.  I think you're trying to sucker him into refunding money someone else paid.  If not, though, you are truly stupendously stupid.
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(to QuantumQrack) If anyone is a scammer here, it's you.  I think you're trying to sucker him into refunding money someone else paid.  If not, though, you are truly stupendously stupid.

Nail on the head, in my opinion, at first I thought he had just seen the Bitcoin price spike and decided to cash out, but the more he keeps wildly throwing accusations around whilst refusing to accept a refund to an address I know was controlled by the original buyer, the more I'm starting to think that you may be right.

QuantumQrack, please stop disseminating FUD without evidence.

Luceo said via IRC that he would refund EVERYBODY's btc, which obviously has not taken place.  One point to remember, when you send your btc, it is effectively gone.

Fact #1: I have not ever said that I will refund everybody. What I said, and you can verify if you have the log, is that if the raffle is cancelled, everybody will receive a 100% refund. The raffle is not cancelled (as evidenced by the original post), therefore I won't send refunds to people who haven't asked for them.

Although my personal amount was small, the aggregate of people's btc can be significant.

Fact #2: You bought these tickets, presumably, so you read the original post which clearly has no clause by which you can obtain a refund in lieu of a cancellation. Despite this, I have offered you a refund. You have not lost any Bitcoins assuming you're actually the buyer of these tickets, which you can prove by simply proving that you own one of the deposit or payout address.

When requesting a refund I have met nothing but resistance, classic scammer attitude.

Fact #3: Three times, now, you have offered me different addresses to refund you to. None of those addresses are the payout address which you signed up with, or the input address you used to send 2 BTC to me. I'm not going to refund somebody else's money to you, if you've hacked his forum account or just happen to share a name. If you are the real client, you should be happy that I've given you this level of security and am, in fact, looking after your Bitcoins.

I suspect that Luceo's charity is a large scam, with no funds being sent to help anybody at any time.

Fact #4.1: This is the only charity-based thing I've ever done on this forum. All prior raffles have been for-profit endeavors with no funds going to charity. With the last raffle, I sent a proportion of the profits to a developer which is verified with a transaction ID in that thread.

Any charity affiliated with Luceo is suspect as is Luceo's character.

Fact #4.2: I'm not affiliated to Opportunity International, which is a globally known charity dealing with hundreds of millions of dollars a year. I'm just raising money for them because I believe in their mission.

My particular payment was immediately sent to an address used by Usagi, therefore I conclude that it is probable he is part of this as well.

Fact #5: Your payment probably either went to CPA (usagi's company) on behalf of Fennec Internet Services, or was a payment of an escrow I did for usagi and EskimoBob. He has no connection to this raffle. The only operators are tenakha and myself.

If the charity had worked as planned, I am sure somebody would have "won"--but again I suspect that they are pocketing the largesse of the btc and not sending it to people whom they say they are sending it to.

Fact #6: I'm aware that sales suck. That's what happen when the value of Bitcoin triples in three months. All of a sudden instead of trying to raise $3000, I'm trying to raise over $8000. That's not something I chose, that's the nature of Bitcoin. If you want to check prior winners, feel free to, all of the winners were decided by the blockchain and all of the winners posted confirming receipt of their Bitcoin on the thread... unless you're accusing my competitor (a5m0) and the operator of one of the largest pools in history (ozcoin) of conspiring with me...

15mqz8YQhWnZcBborfVe4pxWRVzBDwLCpF

Fact #7: Whilst it is possible that QuantumQrack has lost access to both the deposit & payout addresses (he hasn't indicated that, but it seems that it's his natural next point of argument), I have no way to verify that this is correct and he was aware when he purchased tickets that any payout would go to his indicated payout address (1GGr8xzXSNPkhtv2TJ2ndd9os4nTSXF2zF). I don't think I can refund to anything other than this address or the deposit address, as those are what I was using to verify clients.

If you want a refund, please do the only thing I've asked you to do all along and tell me which of the deposit address (1NB4igXt2X85wEbJLF6J51L3WZxXtx8sjs) or the payout address (1GGr8xzXSNPkhtv2TJ2ndd9os4nTSXF2zF) you'd like me to refund to.

If you're not trying to scam me and the buyer of the tickets, please (instead of posting another wall of text with the same bunch of false accusations) do the following:

1). Indicate which of the two addresses (1NB4igXt2X85wEbJLF6J51L3WZxXtx8sjs or 1GGr8xzXSNPkhtv2TJ2ndd9os4nTSXF2zF) you would like your money sent to, using this template:
'I would like my 2.0 BTC refund to be processed to <address> on or before 28th April 2013.'
2). Sign that message with your Bitcoin client, using the address you've selected to receive the refund to (and no others, I will verify the address).
3). Post the message and signature in this thread.

If you're unwilling to perform this simple set of steps, all of the 'resistance' is at your end, and I will have to assume you're just a scammer trying to make $60 at my expense. Any legitimate client would be pleased that I'm not allowing anyone else to authorize their money being moved on their behalf with no proof that they are the client.

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Luceo is one of the rare upstanding people on this Forum. I've engaged him on multiple occasions. If you talk trash about him, you only make a fool of yourself.

I won't be involved in this raffle as the organization in question may do much to help in one way, but causes serious erosion of essential human rights. They give people a hand up only to cut it off their feet. Has nothing to do with Luceo.

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Thanks for the message of support, it's appreciated.

Note to self: In future, let the community decide the charity. Wink

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Exciting update from IRC:

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02:08:00 QuantumQra+| Refund anybody's btc yet Luceo, you piece of shit.
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02:08:26      Luceo | QuantumQrack: Are you still on about this? Are you ever going to tell me where you want your refund sent to? Assuming you're actually the person
                    | who made the purchase?

And then he went quiet again, I'm definitely starting to think he's just a scammer.

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March 05, 2013, 10:19:40 PM
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If we reach 7 days (March 8th) without a response from QuantumQrack confirming a refund address, and ownership of that address, I'll assume he's just trying to steal the buyer's tickets and will cancel the refund and reallocate the tickets to the original buyer with the original payout address.

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I would like my 2.0 BTC refund to be processed to 1GGr8xzXSNPkhtv2TJ2ndd9os4nTSXF2zF on or before 28th April 2013.

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QuantumQrack,

I've verified your mesage signature as valid.

Confirming your refund will be sent to 1GGr8xzXSNPkhtv2TJ2ndd9os4nTSXF2zF on or before 28th April 2013.

Thanks for verifying ownership, will update the OP now.

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I would like my 2.0 BTC refund to be processed to 1GGr8xzXSNPkhtv2TJ2ndd9os4nTSXF2zF on or before 28th April 2013.

What was so hard about doing this instead of being a giant douche?
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I would like my 2.0 BTC refund to be processed to 1GGr8xzXSNPkhtv2TJ2ndd9os4nTSXF2zF on or before 28th April 2013.

What was so hard about doing this instead of being a giant douche?

Nothing has changed shit for brains.  Luceo is still a liar, I still don't have my bitcoins.  I have the log where he said he would refund everybody.  *Facepalm*  One of the Achilles heels of Bitcoin is no shortage stupid fuckers like yourself.
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What was so hard about doing this instead of being a giant douche?

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Nothing has changed shit for brains.  Luceo is still a liar, I still don't have my bitcoins.  I have the log where he said he would refund everybody.  *Facepalm*  One of the Achilles heels of Bitcoin is no shortage stupid fuckers like yourself.

I know I sleep deeply but I don't think it's 28th April yet.
As I didn't say anything of the sort, you're welcome to post all the doctored logs you'd like, but they won't mean anything.
Irony.

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I would like my 2.0 BTC refund to be processed to 1GGr8xzXSNPkhtv2TJ2ndd9os4nTSXF2zF on or before 28th April 2013.

What was so hard about doing this instead of being a giant douche?

Nothing has changed shit for brains.

That's true.  You still have shit for brains.  Nothing has changed there.

I hope he makes you wait to the last possible minute, you fucking douche.  Seriously, GTFO.
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Lots of pointless drama... BUT... BUT WHAT ABOUT THE POOR FREE MAN?*
Did they ever get the coin or not?

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March 20, 2013, 05:26:17 PM
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Refund made today.

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