Turkey will not apologise for shooting down Russian jet

[Balthazar]

just apologize and move on!

Won't happen. For Erdogan, any apologizes would mean an instant political death. And, what is the most offensive to Erdogan, he himself has created this problem. That's is why he would rather turn the entire country into a sinking Titanic than apologize.

[Blackwindow]

erdogan never do apologize for this.they need to do apologize also but we didnt want to do it. Putin wants to threaten with sanctions turkey. but they will lose us in the area soon. turkish people and govement always looks a friend country russia. but putin will change this idea in turkish people mind. (sorry for bad english my 3. languages.)

[Balthazar]

turkish people and govement always looks a friend country russia

Tell this to people, who have been killed by terrorists in Chechnya, North Ossetia, Dagestan and so on. By terrorists, who have had received the medical treatment, monetary support and asylum from Turkish authorities. Who took advantage of the weakness of the state at that time and tried to cut off a piece for themselves, just like they're acting now in Syria. With friends like that, who needs enemies?

We have nothing against significant part of turkish people, but your government and IS are variations of the same thing. We still remember what Grey Wolves and other thugs have done in our country, and we won't forgive that. Downed plane was just a pretext to bring the old memories back, simple as a piece of cake.

[Blackwindow]

I dont have any information about this osetya issue. Im following this isis news in internation news and local news and i dont agree with you about turkish goverment support isis. this Syria war has damaged us most. more then 3 million syrian live in turkey now and most of people (and i ) really dont want to live with this people. we dont understand their languages and their culture very different from us. even so we have no choise about that.

[bryant.coleman]

More then 3 million syrian live in turkey now and most of people (and i ) really dont want to live with this people. we dont understand their languages and their culture very different from us. even so we have no choise about that.

The Syrian crisis has actually benefited the Turks. Some 2.2 million Syrians have fled to Turkey, and now the Turks are having cheap labor in the form of these migrants. In addition, Turkey is going to receive EUR 3 billion per year from the European Union, to look after these migrants. And last but the least, the EU has also agreed to permit Visa-free travel for the Turkish citizens.

[Balthazar]

https://www.rt.com/news/324189-defense-ministry-briefing-terrorism/

20 minutes left before the beginning of MoD press conference.

[galdur]

British Nutballs Hameron and Hammond to probably join the fracas in Syria. Now I´m starting to get a bit worried. The fewer NATO crazies there the better for world peace as far as I´m concerned.

[ngocdhbk2]

Turkey is playing dangerous game by continuing to poke bear.

[galdur]

Turkey is playing dangerous game by continuing to poke bear.

In any event they gave the Russians the perfect opportunity to bring those S-400 systems into Syria. Absent the downing of the plane, imagine the uproar such a move would have caused with politicians in the west and idiots posting on countless internet message boards. Not to mention the presstitutes, hahahaha.

Great win for Russia.

[vero]

erdogan never do apologize for this.they need to do apologize also but we didnt want to do it. Putin wants to threaten with sanctions turkey. but they will lose us in the area soon. turkish people and govement always looks a friend country russia. but putin will change this idea in turkish people mind. (sorry for bad english my 3. languages.)

Erdogan must go...he's worn out his welcome with moderate and reasonable and BRAVE Turks. Turkey used to be an important ally....with this pinhead, Turkey has become an ally of ISIS. Turkey will go nowhere but downhill with this Muslim terrorist. Hang 'em!!!

[Balthazar]

Just seen the press conference... A lot of satellite images, drone footages of oil trucks and so on... And yes, they've finally said that.

"We know that he won't resign even if his face will be poured with stolen oil. Although Erdogan must go, his resignation is not our priority."

Well, it seems that nobody is waiting for apologies, another "democratic coup" is on the way... Not a US-staged one.

[apollofire]

Turkey do have the rights to defend their airspace but they are part of NATO. They have to be united but instead they are fighting with each other. Thats very sad

[Balthazar]

Turkey do have the rights to defend their airspace

Nobody has the right to ignore standard interception procedure under pretext of "defending airspace". Please learn the subject before repeating baseless propaganda.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1261126.msg13112138#msg13112138

but they are part of NATO. They have to be united

Article 5 is a non-binding agreement. They don't have to be united, it's just a proposal. That's the reason why US has all these military bases located in the NATO countries. They won't need military bases if article 5 would be a binding agreement.

[galdur]

So, what´s next? Turkey will  block the Bosphorus for Russian traffic? I´m sure that as usual NATO nutbags don´t give a hoot about international law unless it suits their interests so they´d back Turkey on that. Russia could turn off the gas in retaliation which would probably soon lead to an Erdogan "government in exile" in London or some other favorite shelter for favored criminals.

[Balthazar]

So, what´s next? Turkey will  block the Bosphorus for Russian traffic?

Won't work at all because that would be an open declaration of war. They've tried this against USSR, defence minister said then "Stop that nonsense or we'll create new strait on the place of Istanbul". And they stopped a blockade of Bosphorus immediately.

Russia could turn off the gas in retaliation which would probably soon lead to an Erdogan "government in exile" in London or some other favorite shelter for favored criminals.

Turning off the gas flow is not an option yet, current pretext isn't enough for breaking the contract.

soon lead to an Erdogan "government in exile" in London or some other favorite shelter for favored criminals.

This will happen even without that. Erdogan is currently acting exactly like Yanukovich, he's doing everything to be overthrown. Probably, because he wants to drop this business, leaving the dirty incomings untouched. I'm pretty sure he have made enough money for the rest of life.

[galdur]

"Stop that nonsense or we'll create new strait on the place of Istanbul"

Hahaha, pretty persuasive. I guess the Turks won´t try that one again. 

Well, NATO premier personalities are nuts for sure but I doubt that they´re nuts enough to let this Erdogan guy run around much longer. I think they have something in the works to get rid of him and his gang, probably through a coup by the Turkish military. Maybe he´ll end up in a garbage dumpster in Ukraine, joining other refuse that NATO has dumped there.

[BADecker]

In an American turkey shoot, the turkey loses.   

[galdur]

Hmm, this is strange...

Meanwhile the US Secretary of State John Kerry said Syrian and Arab ground forces must be found to take on the jihadist group. “Without the ability to find some ground forces that are prepared to take on Daesh, this will not be won completely from the air,” he said.

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But General Pigfinder, London´s chief warmonger, stated emphatically the other day that there were 70,000 of them ready and willing to support his war effort. I'm surprised Mr. Kerry didn't already know of them, usually the relationship of these people is about as tight as that of an ass and the boil on it.

Or maybe they forgot to coordinate their stories, happens all the time even to the best of criminals.

[patrolman]

Here are a few interesting articles which are at odds with Turkey's version of events:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-24/17-seconds-changed-world-leaked-letter-exposes-turkeys-hair-trigger-reality

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/12/01/an-experienced-pilot-explains-stall-speed/

A few key points:

“both planes, at an altitude of 19,000 feet, violated Turkish national airspace to a depth of 1.36 miles and 1.15 miles in length for 17 seconds from 9:24:05 local time."

"according to those numbers, the Su-24 would have had to be flying at stall speed."

The Su-24's max speed is 1,320 km/hour.

So if we assume the Su-24 was actually going much faster, was 17 seconds more like 5 seconds? Or perhaps even less?

17 seconds is hardly enough time for there to been any significant discussion about the air space violation, so the plane must have been either shot down in Syrian air space or without sufficient verbal communication to defuse the situation.

[galdur]

It´s moot points patrolman. The Turks belong to our team and therefore are like us exempt from all accountability.

Our team can run roughshod over anyone, anywhere as it pleases and doesn´t need to waste a single thought on any consequences, well apart from the occasional blowback. But that doesn´t have to do with us destroying countries and killing and maiming millions and displacing even more, it´s just some crazed muzzies that hate our freedoms. We´ll just have a brief emotional porn binge and then go back to bombing. Anyway; a hundred victims here and there in our cities is a small price to pay for soaring war industry shares.