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December 09, 2016, 10:56:28 AM
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Is it really so hard to just answer some legit questions?
Speaking for myself. I don't want any investors, I want involvement.

what are u questions u can ask me now Huh
if u don't know how a matrix plan works , everything we answer u look it like scam only

The questions are already asked by our main developer a few days ago and still not answered. As simple as that.
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December 09, 2016, 11:11:07 AM
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Is it really so hard to just answer some legit questions?
Speaking for myself. I don't want any investors, I want involvement.

what are u questions u can ask me now Huh
if u don't know how a matrix plan works , everything we answer u look it like scam only

The questions are already asked by our main developer a few days ago and still not answered. As simple as that.
what do you mean professionally Huh
u can see the plan in our website ,we explained the plan too and we explained how it works also... i think this much is enough..

@ababy123:- it matters for us  how much we invested
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December 09, 2016, 11:17:17 AM
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what are u questions u can ask me now Huh
if u don't know how a matrix plan works , everything we answer u look it like scam only

The issue is that to most educated people MLM plans / Pyramid schemes are effectively a scam. Even the Reserve Bank of India has warnings about them.
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The Reserve Bank has advised that members of public should not to be tempted by promises of high returns offered by entities running Multi-level Marketing/Chain Marketing/Pyramid Structure Schemes. The Reserve Bank has reiterated that falling prey to such offers can result in direct financial losses and they, in their own interest, should refrain from responding to such offers in any manner.
(https://rbi.org.in/SCRIPTs/BS_PressReleaseDisplay.aspx?prid=32908) and also written up in the Times of India (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/RBI-warns-against-pyramid-schemes/articleshow/45724589.cms)

If you look at how MLM plans / Pyramid schemes work they generally provide two benefits to the "investor" a small token (in this case some EGC worth 1/3 of the total investment) and the referral fee from those below you. Usually the referral fee is where most of your returns come from.

Doing some maths for the numbers of people that need to be involved using the setup from this scheme.
At the top you have a single person
In the layer below there are 3 people (total of 4 in the scheme)
In the layer below there are 9 people (total of 13 in the scheme)
In the layer below there are 27 people (total of 40 in the scheme)
In the layer below there are 81 people (total of 121 in the scheme)
In the layer below there are 243 people (total of 364 in the scheme)

For people in each layer to get their referral income they need people to join the layer below. This quickly becomes unsustainable (at around 20 layers we'll need space travel to find new worlds to sell the plan to). This sustainability is what generally makes these schemes a scam, the person at the top gets rich quickly, the people at the bottom effectively lose out.
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December 09, 2016, 12:38:44 PM
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what are u questions u can ask me now Huh
if u don't know how a matrix plan works , everything we answer u look it like scam only

The issue is that to most educated people MLM plans / Pyramid schemes are effectively a scam. Even the Reserve Bank of India has warnings about them.
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The Reserve Bank has advised that members of public should not to be tempted by promises of high returns offered by entities running Multi-level Marketing/Chain Marketing/Pyramid Structure Schemes. The Reserve Bank has reiterated that falling prey to such offers can result in direct financial losses and they, in their own interest, should refrain from responding to such offers in any manner.
(https://rbi.org.in/SCRIPTs/BS_PressReleaseDisplay.aspx?prid=32908) and also written up in the Times of India (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/RBI-warns-against-pyramid-schemes/articleshow/45724589.cms)

If you look at how MLM plans / Pyramid schemes work they generally provide two benefits to the "investor" a small token (in this case some EGC worth 1/3 of the total investment) and the referral fee from those below you. Usually the referral fee is where most of your returns come from.

Doing some maths for the numbers of people that need to be involved using the setup from this scheme.
At the top you have a single person
In the layer below there are 3 people (total of 4 in the scheme)
In the layer below there are 9 people (total of 13 in the scheme)
In the layer below there are 27 people (total of 40 in the scheme)
In the layer below there are 81 people (total of 121 in the scheme)
In the layer below there are 243 people (total of 364 in the scheme)

For people in each layer to get their referral income they need people to join the layer below. This quickly becomes unsustainable (at around 20 layers we'll need space travel to find new worlds to sell the plan to). This sustainability is what generally makes these schemes a scam, the person at the top gets rich quickly, the people at the bottom effectively lose out.


what you have described is a pyramid scheme - NOT an mlm ...

multi-level-marketing systems ( note - systems NOT schemes ) actually work and ARE legal all over the world ...

pyramid schemes are NOT legal - nor are they sustainable ...

mlm systems - like amway for example - that are well structured and well established - are a highly successful way of making money for anyone and everyone that is willing to put the time and effort and knowledge into it ...

i for one - am not ... but that is beside the point ...

you should never bundle pyramid schemes and mlm systems in the same sentence - nor in a side by side manner as you have mate ...

one is a legit business - the other is to rip off as many of the lower heirarchy plebs as you can - to make money for the top rung only ... THAT is a pyramid - THAT is illegal ... and highly immoral on so many levels ...

insofaras any investments are concerned - ANY and ALL professional businesses and legitimate systems ALWAYS remain transparent and open about what they do and what is behind the systems ... ANY and ALL these systems also answer questions that 'potential investors' ( ie - their customers .. ie - the systems 'bosses' ) in the utmost professionalism AND in concise and complete factual responses ... not in casual 'backyard' commentary about some 'info' they wish to present to these investors ...

i have just finished a short term contract with a multiBILLION dollar organization - ge / latitude - for their migration project ... a company like this ( whether a corporate using their ownership model - or corporate in an mlm model ) will ALWAYS have - in writing - the facts and figures and specifics of any system they are introducing into the market ... with contractual obligations on both the corporate side - and the investor side ... any questions that come from the investor market are answered promptly and concisely and also in writing so that NO ambiguity is confronted at a later date ...

anything short of this professional method of investment ( whether corporate like ge / latitude - or mlm like amway ( also a multiBILIION dollar company ) ) should be researched thoroughly - or avoided altogether ...

we ( cwi ) have been working with steven for a while now - and have adopted him as one of our own - because of the skill and honesty and transparency as well as the integrity he brings to the table ... a few of the many traits we work with on a daily basis - and will continue to seek those who hold these traits to work with ... bringing a better 'system' so that 'schemes' are not as easily accepted ...

thats my 7btc worth ...

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December 09, 2016, 01:24:02 PM
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thats my 7btc worth ...
So much? Well I'll stìck to my 2 egc ^^
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December 09, 2016, 01:33:55 PM
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thats my 7btc worth ...
So much? Well I'll stay with my 2 egc ^^

hahaha ...

and this is why this community is such an awesome one ...

onya giz ...

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December 09, 2016, 01:48:24 PM
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what you have described is a pyramid scheme - NOT an mlm ...

multi-level-marketing systems ( note - systems NOT schemes ) actually work and ARE legal all over the world ...

Thank you for correcting me, I've said that this looked like a pyramid scheme many times before in this thread and you're the first to correct me.

However I'm struggling to see what the actual difference is (apart form the name and maybe how it's documented). This isn't helped when lots of the standard documentation seems to suggest they're both very similar. For instance the first paragraph on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-level_marketing

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Multi-level marketing (MLM), also called pyramid selling,[1][2][3][4] network marketing,[3][5][6] and referral marketing,[7] is a controversial pyramid-shaped marketing strategy where profit is theoretically derived from two revenue streams: from a sales force of a participating salesperson compensated via the direct sales generated by the salesperson, as well as from the sales of other salespeople that the participating salesperson has recruited and of their recruits down the line.

Even my quote above from the RBI seems to link both MLM and Pyramid selling together!

It seems that both MLM and the illegal pyramid schemes share a lot of things in common and very few differences (mostly in terms of what's being sold). From what I understand of how uniquebtc was setup I think the majority of my description is probably still correct whatever name you put on it.

we ( cwi ) have been working with steven for a while now - and have adopted him as one of our own - because of the skill and honesty and transparency as well as the integrity he brings to the table ... a few of the many traits we work with on a daily basis - and will continue to seek those who hold these traits to work with ... bringing a better 'system' so that 'schemes' are not as easily accepted ...

thats my 7btc worth ...

I'm aware of who you are and your involvement. One of the initial concerns (which was corrected relatively quickly) was that uniquebtc appeared to be linked directly to EGC and Steven (which is isn't) and how that it looked suspicious.

I believe that this wasn't meant to be a scam, unfortunately however that's how its come across. I think at least some of that has come from raised emotions from all sides when responding and the various language barriers we have.

I shall go and read some more on the differences between MLM and the various scams.

I'm with Gizfreak, all opinions should be in EGC  Grin
thats my 2EGC at least.
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December 09, 2016, 05:23:58 PM
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Anyone else having a problem with EverGreenCoin Wallet. Its not synchronizing. Blocks remaining is getting higher. I seem to be stuck at 716843. Any suggestions?

thats said ... what is your .conf parameters? ...

if you have ANY addnodes in the file - remove ALL of them and resync ... even if it means deleting the entire blockchain and syncing from the start again ...

you may be forking due to them ... and if you are not in a fork - check firewalls and all other apps that may block your access to the blockchain ...

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Where can I find the .conf parameter?. I'm on a mac. Thanks!
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December 09, 2016, 06:24:21 PM
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Anyone else having a problem with EverGreenCoin Wallet. Its not synchronizing. Blocks remaining is getting higher. I seem to be stuck at 716843. Any suggestions?

thats said ... what is your .conf parameters? ...

if you have ANY addnodes in the file - remove ALL of them and resync ... even if it means deleting the entire blockchain and syncing from the start again ...

you may be forking due to them ... and if you are not in a fork - check firewalls and all other apps that may block your access to the blockchain ...

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Where can I find the .conf parameter?. I'm on a mac. Thanks!

The .conf parameters he speaks of would be within the evergreencoin.conf file. On a Mac this would be located within /Users/YOUR USERNAME HERE/Library/Application Support/EverGreenCoin/ though you may not have an evergreencoin.conf file because it is not needed.

I would suggest to close your wallet, delete the peers.dat file that is also located within /Users/YOUR USERNAME HERE/Library/Application Support/EverGreenCoin/ and then relaunch the wallet and allow it to run its course. Be careful not to delete your wallet.dat file as that is irreplaceable and contains your coins.


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December 09, 2016, 10:31:27 PM
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Hello Steven Sir & EGC Community

If anyone here is from London then you should take a look at this below:


The Blockchain Expo – 23-24th January in London at the Olympia will be a great event.

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December 10, 2016, 02:02:57 AM
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what you have described is a pyramid scheme - NOT an mlm ...

multi-level-marketing systems ( note - systems NOT schemes ) actually work and ARE legal all over the world ...

Thank you for correcting me, I've said that this looked like a pyramid scheme many times before in this thread and you're the first to correct me.

However I'm struggling to see what the actual difference is (apart form the name and maybe how it's documented). This isn't helped when lots of the standard documentation seems to suggest they're both very similar. For instance the first paragraph on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-level_marketing

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Multi-level marketing (MLM), also called pyramid selling,[1][2][3][4] network marketing,[3][5][6] and referral marketing,[7] is a controversial pyramid-shaped marketing strategy where profit is theoretically derived from two revenue streams: from a sales force of a participating salesperson compensated via the direct sales generated by the salesperson, as well as from the sales of other salespeople that the participating salesperson has recruited and of their recruits down the line.

Even my quote above from the RBI seems to link both MLM and Pyramid selling together!

It seems that both MLM and the illegal pyramid schemes share a lot of things in common and very few differences (mostly in terms of what's being sold). From what I understand of how uniquebtc was setup I think the majority of my description is probably still correct whatever name you put on it.

we ( cwi ) have been working with steven for a while now - and have adopted him as one of our own - because of the skill and honesty and transparency as well as the integrity he brings to the table ... a few of the many traits we work with on a daily basis - and will continue to seek those who hold these traits to work with ... bringing a better 'system' so that 'schemes' are not as easily accepted ...

thats my 7btc worth ...

I'm aware of who you are and your involvement. One of the initial concerns (which was corrected relatively quickly) was that uniquebtc appeared to be linked directly to EGC and Steven (which is isn't) and how that it looked suspicious.

I believe that this wasn't meant to be a scam, unfortunately however that's how its come across. I think at least some of that has come from raised emotions from all sides when responding and the various language barriers we have.

I shall go and read some more on the differences between MLM and the various scams.

I'm with Gizfreak, all opinions should be in EGC  Grin
thats my 2EGC at least.

all good mate ...

you are a respected member of teh community here - and in others ... i too know who you are - and understand you mean no harm ... you base most of your decisions and opinions on fact - with some emotion thrown in for good measure ... after all - what are we without an emotional connection ...

the main difference ( and also why it is LEGAL all over the world ) is that an mlm allows its corresponding recruits to make more money and become further entrenched ( and as such make eevn more money ) than the person that introduced them ... unlike a pyramid 'scheme' where ONLY the people 'above' you can make more money than you - and the only way to make money is to recruit others to screw them out of their cash ...

most mlms actually sell products and services ... pyramids sell the scheme and filter cash through it ... hence why pyramid schemes are illegal ... its a form of gambling ...

the mlm that this group is pushing is their way of making money - and unless its a professional setup - then this setup can go nowhere except conjure images of 'scams' and 'ripoffs' - even though they 'may' not be ... i have not looked into it - as i have no interest in it ... BUT - the system MUST be professionally setup for someone like me to even look at it ...

this system is about btc / money - whether invested by this group or not ... it is NOT about egc and the projects' goals and focus ... so again - i am not interested in it ... there are MANY other btc driven coins out there to play with and make huge amounts of money from ... eth - zec - dcr - and many many others ...

egc is an ecologically based coin - and the project itself is driven by the need ( and want ) to support our ecology and environment ...

again mate - i have not followed what uniquebtc is doing ... but for those in the 'group from india' that have invested large sums of btc into egc - it seems that its ALL about the btc return and not the egc project itself ... if that is the case - it is understandable WHY the return is more important than the project itself - but doesnt make it a good thing in my opinion ...

if the focus IS egc - then ANY and ALL investements ( whether btc or time or effort ) is worth it - and worth the risk of 'losing' it for the benefit of the project ...

mlm or not - one should ALWAYS be aware of the pitfalls - even in legit businesses - and be aware that and decision that is made one way or another - has consequences ...

egc is a good coin - a good project - has a good community - and a good team behind it ... thats all that matters to us ...

if a business model it to be structured for it - whether mlm or not - then egc as a whole will benefit from a good solid foundation of a business model ...

EVERYONE deserves to succeed - its jut HOW you do it ... this project along with many others that are honest and forthright - will suffer in the beginning ... we do not scam or rip anyone or any business off to make the btc / cashflow to support the projects we take on - like many of the 'devs' out there that create these types of coins and disappear ...

nup - we are here for the long haul - and with steven as the sole / lead for 'his baby' egc - this coin is destined to be up there with some of the best ... and we are proud to be not only associated with the coin - but proud to have an honest hard workign talented developer like steven on our side also ...

as mentioned before - those traits are very hard to come by in crypto - but are what makes the difference ...

we will be updating the cwi op next week - ill be spending some time on it and will make it as presentable as possible ( though steven will need to reorganize it and make it look presentable if he has the time - hint hint mate Wink ) - and egc will be part of that update ...

o - and always remember - these are MY opinions and not of steven or the egc community in general ... just mine alone ...

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December 10, 2016, 09:52:29 AM
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Let's end this discussion about a third party project, ok? Getting tired of it.
Everybody is free to think and act as he pleases, as long as it doesn't harm uninvolved people like mentioning them as responsible.
So let's move on with bringing EGC to where it should belong, in the cryptocurrency top 50.
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egc is a good coin - a good project - has a good community - and a good team behind it ... thats all that matters to us ...
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nup - we are here for the long haul - and with steven as the sole / lead for 'his baby' egc - this coin is destined to be up there with some of the best ... and we are proud to be not only associated with the coin - but proud to have an honest hard workign talented developer like steven on our side also ...

as mentioned before - those traits are very hard to come by in crypto - but are what makes the difference ...

I couldn't have said those bits better myself.

With a new community built website hopefully coming soon, and the various bits of work happening in the background to move us onwards and upwards the future is bright. There's a good strong core that will ultimately let us move past these setbacks (and we seem to have had a few). 2017 should be a good year for EGC.

I'd also encourage anyone interested in EGC long term to join us on IRC (http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=EverGreenCoin) or slack and get involved.
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December 11, 2016, 01:01:41 AM
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Please PM me with the email address you wish to have a slack invitation sent to, if you want to join the EverGreenCoin slack.

All are welcome!

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December 11, 2016, 01:22:00 AM
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Let's end this discussion about a third party project, ok? Getting tired of it.
Everybody is free to think and act as he pleases, as long as it doesn't harm uninvolved people like mentioning them as responsible.
So let's move on with bringing EGC to where it should belong, in the cryptocurrency top 50.

giz ...

when someone involves egc in ANY form - then discussion about it and the 'thing' they are involving egc in IS a part of the discussion ...

crypto top 50? ...

why are we aiming so low mate Wink ...

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December 17, 2016, 06:12:54 AM
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Please do verify your copy of the EverGreenCoin blockchain against the block explorer and do not move any EverGreenCoin to or from an exchange until they have been verified to be on the correct blockchain. An alarming low number of connections on the seednodes is indicating to me that there is an unintentional fork on the network.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

EDIT: If you find you are in an unintentional fork, meaning your block hash of your highest block does not match that block hash of the explorer's, please close your wallet promptly. Do not open it again until you are ready to resync. A recent snapshot is available at http://EverGreenCoin.org/EverGreencoinBlockChainSnapShot-2016-11-08.rar

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December 17, 2016, 08:39:01 AM
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Please do verify your copy of the EverGreenCoin blockchain against the block explorer and do not move any EverGreenCoin to or from an exchange until they have been verified to be on the correct blockchain. An alarming low number of connections on the seednodes is indicating to me that there is an unintentional fork on the network.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

EDIT: If you find you are in an unintentional fork, meaning your block hash of your highest block does not match that block hash of the explorer's, please close your wallet promptly. Do not open it again until you are ready to resync. A recent snapshot is available at http://EverGreenCoin.org/EverGreencoinBlockChainSnapShot-2016-11-08.rar

I added a couple of wallet notes to (hopefully) help with the fungibility of the coin this week - when I get access to my rig, I'll make sure I'm on the correct blockchain.

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December 17, 2016, 10:32:41 AM
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Please do verify your copy of the EverGreenCoin blockchain against the block explorer and do not move any EverGreenCoin to or from an exchange until they have been verified to be on the correct blockchain. An alarming low number of connections on the seednodes is indicating to me that there is an unintentional fork on the network.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

EDIT: If you find you are in an unintentional fork, meaning your block hash of your highest block does not match that block hash of the explorer's, please close your wallet promptly. Do not open it again until you are ready to resync. A recent snapshot is available at http://EverGreenCoin.org/EverGreencoinBlockChainSnapShot-2016-11-08.rar

Hi Steven,

New Snapshot Updated to 12-17-2016.
It & the Block explorer matched at Block #793409 .
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1378653.msg15797264#msg15797264


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December 17, 2016, 10:56:12 AM
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Please do verify your copy of the EverGreenCoin blockchain against the block explorer and do not move any EverGreenCoin to or from an exchange until they have been verified to be on the correct blockchain. An alarming low number of connections on the seednodes is indicating to me that there is an unintentional fork on the network.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

EDIT: If you find you are in an unintentional fork, meaning your block hash of your highest block does not match that block hash of the explorer's, please close your wallet promptly. Do not open it again until you are ready to resync. A recent snapshot is available at http://EverGreenCoin.org/EverGreencoinBlockChainSnapShot-2016-11-08.rar

Hi Steven,

New Snapshot Updated to 12-17-2016.
It & the Block explorer matched at Block #793409 .
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1378653.msg15797264#msg15797264


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Thank you so much, kiklo! Cool

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In lieu of the new website and portal being in a sound enough state for launching and to go live, we have decided that rather than wait until next year, Jan 7th 2017, as previously scheduled for the next community meeting and hangout, we will have it today, Saturday December 17th at 17:00 GMT.

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