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June 06, 2011, 08:21:59 PM
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I am hearing all these individuals spew juvenile nonsense of Bitcoin, this private for-profit initiative somehow being the people's currency; that it somehow enables our society when it only encourages rogue individualists and others who infringe upon the social contract this country resides.
Our duly elected officials in Washington, over decades and through our absolute democratic will, have finely chosen regulations, institutions and other tools that enable the most optimal trade and commerce our civilization can provide. However, you anarchist ruffians want to threaten it and possibly abolish it with your rogue cowardice money! How dare you!? Did you not agree to live under the boundaries we all have chosen when you decided to spend your life in this country? Did you not decide to uphold the common will?
I ask if you don't like it to leave your democratic civilizations and take your bitcoins with you! Civilized societies need none of this! We are men of order and remain we shall! Follow democracy or be terminated by our democratic, divine will! Bitcoin shall not become our currency. We shall not revert to our primordial uncivilized forms. We will have a centralized, democratic economy!
Anarchist ruffians can stay out!
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rebuilder
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June 06, 2011, 08:27:08 PM |
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Please mind the signal to noise ratio.
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June 06, 2011, 08:31:12 PM |
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the people's currency in the same sense as people use the term “people's democratic republic?”
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June 06, 2011, 08:40:54 PM |
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Where can I get some of these US Dollars? All I can find these days are these Federal Reserve Notes.
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June 06, 2011, 08:44:56 PM |
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Where can I get some of these US Dollars? All I can find these days are these Federal Reserve Notes.
My fellow citizen, they are one and the same. Our country has chosen to use a separate entity to handle our money and that is The Federal Reserve. This tireless and invaluable organization makes sure our money supply is in check according to the latest state-of-the-art economic standards. One time, our currency was infected by a stagnant pegging to commodities such as Gold and Silver, limiting our economy's ability to expand and bring the working and middle class up to standard with periodic debt. No longer! Our Federal Reserve is keeping us all alive and happy through a flexible, manageable system of trade and commerce through our wonderful currency system. Behold the power of democracy and the power of America! God bless it! |
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Dobrodav
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June 06, 2011, 08:52:25 PM |
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Can i found something, that did not looks like printing machine in Fort Nox ?
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June 06, 2011, 08:54:02 PM |
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The FED is a cartel of private banks, it's as 'Federal' as Federal Express.
Besides, America can be described as a two party Corporate Republic (Industry versus Finance). Your idea that democracy plays an important role in the US domestic power structure is naive.
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1G8AUgSTAw8hfatNnDHuYEqBAUzC3qvAAL Bitcoin news: http://thebitcoinsun.com/Rapidlybuybitcoin here.The value of goods, expressed in money, is called “price”, while the value of money, expressed in goods, is called “value”. C. Quigley |
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June 06, 2011, 09:01:14 PM |
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Can we drop the US propaganda? I'm pretty sure the US dollar is not "the people's currency" here.
Mind you, a lot of people (maybe even a majority) on this forum are not US citizens or trolls.
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June 06, 2011, 09:04:05 PM |
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Our duly elected officials in Washington, over decades and through our absolute democratic will, have finely chosen regulations, institutions and other tools that enable the most optimal trade and commerce our civilization can provide. However, you anarchist ruffians want to threaten it and possibly abolish it with your rogue cowardice money! How dare you!? Did you not to agree to live under the boundaries we all have chosen when you decided to spend your life in this country? Did you not decide to uphold the common will?
I really wish the truth was that simple... If it only wasn't for corruption a centralized government and a centralized currency could work just like that, sadly history proved time and time again it doesn't. |
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June 06, 2011, 09:17:34 PM |
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Anarchists stand united! Your capitalist US$ is not worth the paper it's written on! We don't need your finely choosen regulations or institutions they are only in place to to restrict our freedoms! Don't cut us off just yet though because we need your electricity to print our e-money. Oh yeah and if you could let us borrow the internet for a while that would be swell. But apart from that, screw you capitalist scum!
P.S. Make sure you leave some food and graphics cards for us on the way out.
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June 06, 2011, 09:19:33 PM |
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Your corporatist US$ is not worth the paper it's written on!
All better now. |
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June 06, 2011, 09:22:26 PM |
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Our duly elected officials in Washington, over decades and through our absolute democratic will, have finely chosen regulations, institutions and other tools that enable the most optimal trade and commerce our civilization can provide. However, you anarchist ruffians want to threaten it and possibly abolish it with your rogue cowardice money! How dare you!? Did you not to agree to live under the boundaries we all have chosen when you decided to spend your life in this country? Did you not decide to uphold the common will?
I really wish the truth was that simple... If it only wasn't for corruption a centralized government and a centralized currency could work just like that, sadly history proved time and time again it doesn't. This corruption is only due to the unpoliced parts of our market. Businesses try to evade the regulations we have worked so hard to uphold. With more legislation and patience we can end this corruption once and for all! |
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June 06, 2011, 09:24:20 PM |
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Can we drop the US propaganda? I'm pretty sure the US dollar is not "the people's currency" here.
Preeeetty sure you've mistaken satire for treatise... |
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June 06, 2011, 09:27:03 PM |
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The FED is a cartel of private banks, it's as 'Federal' as Federal Express.
Besides, America can be described as a two party Corporate Republic (Industry versus Finance). Your idea that democracy plays an important role in the US domestic power structure is naive.
We choose our representatives directly. Of course the citizens have say! You speak blasphemy against this country and all who have died for it! |
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June 06, 2011, 09:35:49 PM |
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There are two types of rats that work for government, the government itself and the recipients of government welfare. If you are not in the loop you are paying for the governments tyranny. A typical kid might spend a day working on a painting a house at the end of the day he or she might receive $200. Should that person get to keep that money and use it at later date, or should he waste to to keep all the employees at the fed, post office, banks, lawyers, congresspersons, medicare fraud all with full wallets. While the poor soul that actually worked, the painter has to struggle to save and plan in a corrupt system.
"That enable the most optimal trade". How is taking from the corporations that work and giving it to those that don't work good for trade. We should be eliminating all corporate taxes, and taxing school teachers and firefighters. Intel, AMD build chips. Catepillar builds tractors. Samsung builds printers. GE builds phones. McDonalds provides a meal for $1. Governments don't enable trade they ruin trade by forcing minimum wage laws, regulations, taxes on the wonderful corporations and the people that work for them that provide the goods and services people actually use. So you say the medicare program is a great program for the people, if it is so great why not give seniors the public option to opt out and get the $10,000 a year in cash as oppose to the great ripoff medicare?
"Leave the country and take you bitcoin with you." How about this deal everything west of the mississippi uses gold and bitcoin and everything east of the Mississippi uses dollars. In 20 years the bitcoin side would be sending food relief shipments to New York.
"Civilized Societies" killing 100,000 in Iraq so the military can justify their military budget is civilized? The word "civilized" should be changed to neocons and liberals. You are the men of "the new world" order. You are the men that don't work and con the poor and middle class out of the money so the jerks that of Bernanke, Clinton, Gore, Geithner, Bush, Reich, Kennedy, et al et al et al. can live like kings while the serfs can continue to feed them.
In summary you lose caveman, get to work. You can still elect officials in a bitcoin society.
1JFZkRqGaASJoXoVC3mhtf6kgwX5QcL7F7 if you like post and want more.
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ryepdx
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June 06, 2011, 09:48:43 PM |
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In summary you lose caveman, get to work. You can still elect officials in a bitcoin society.
Preeeetty sure you've mistaken satire for treatise...
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June 06, 2011, 09:56:42 PM |
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There are two types of rats that work for government, the government itself and the recipients of government welfare. If you are not in the loop you are paying for the governments tyranny. A typical kid might spend a day working on a painting a house at the end of the day he or she might receive $200. Should that person get to keep that money and use it at later date, or should he waste to to keep all the employees at the fed, post office, banks, lawyers, congresspersons, medicare fraud all with full wallets. While the poor soul that actually worked, the painter has to struggle to save and plan in a corrupt system.
Government tyranny? How dare you! This will always be a democracy! The land of the free and the brave voters who allow this nation to prosper! When was the last time you voted, citizen? If you demand change then do your part! Waste? Waste money on our essential government services we all benefit from? These services that enable commerce as it is? You are an insubordinate ruffian! An ungrateful parasite! You take from the benefits of our great society yet you show no pride of The American Spirit. May Uncle Sam have mercy on your soul. Also, we do not work for merely ourselves. We work for the good of all. We have no room for rugged individualism. "That enable the most optimal trade". How is taking from the corporations that work and giving it to those that don't work good for trade. We should be eliminating all corporate taxes, and taxing school teachers and firefighters. Intel, AMD build chips. Catepillar builds tractors. Samsung builds printers. GE builds phones. McDonalds provides a meal for $1. Governments don't enable trade they ruin trade by forcing minimum wage laws, regulations, taxes on the wonderful corporations and the people that work for them that provide the goods and services people actually use. So you say the medicare program is a great program for the people, if it is so great why not give seniors the public option to opt out and get the $10,000 a year in cash as oppose to the great ripoff medicare?
Silence dissident. All these policies were enacted for the greater good in the name of democracy. If they do not work, the people will demand change. Let the process work. Besides the men in Washington have our interests at heart. All these solutions were done with good research and history in mind. Also, giving money in such a untethered manner only enables the rogue to abuse our great system. We can't have that. "Leave the country and take you bitcoin with you." How about this deal everything west of the mississippi uses gold and bitcoin and everything east of the Mississippi uses dollars. In 20 years the bitcoin side would be sending food relief shipments to New York.
Unfounded. Try your anarchy elsewhere. The good people of this country deserve civilization that has been tested and improved upon over centuries. We are not to be test subjects for rogue juvenile political experiments. "Civilized Societies" killing 100,000 in Iraq so the military can justify their military budget is civilized? The word "civilized" should be changed to neocons and liberals. You are the men of "the new world" order. You are the men that don't work and con the poor and middle class out of the money so the jerks that of Bernanke, Clinton, Gore, Geithner, Bush, Reich, Kennedy, et al et al et al. can live like kings while the serfs can continue to feed them.
In summary you lose caveman, get to work.
1JFZkRqGaASJoXoVC3mhtf6kgwX5QcL7F7 if you like post and want more.
Our leaders have our best interest at heart. The whole system was founded upon this premise. You should trust it. |
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June 06, 2011, 10:11:20 PM |
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What Atlas has done here...  very poorly constructed, not much effort put in really. though he has used a real suit, so... one out of ten for that. |
1G8AUgSTAw8hfatNnDHuYEqBAUzC3qvAAL Bitcoin news: http://thebitcoinsun.com/Rapidlybuybitcoin here.The value of goods, expressed in money, is called “price”, while the value of money, expressed in goods, is called “value”. C. Quigley |
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June 06, 2011, 10:22:14 PM |
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What Atlas has done here...
I hope you realize that Atlas is parodying himself. |
"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."
- Carroll Quigley, CFR member, mentor to Bill Clinton, from 'Tragedy And Hope'
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June 06, 2011, 10:29:01 PM |
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I have some of those US dollars, they are quite lovely and nice to grapple. I'll trade you 1 Silver USD to 2 BTC. Where can I get some of these US Dollars? All I can find these days are these Federal Reserve Notes.
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June 06, 2011, 10:33:51 PM |
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I ask if you don't like it to leave your democratic civilizations and take your bitcoins with you! Civilized societies need none of this! We are men of order and remain we shall! Follow democracy or be terminated by our democratic, divine will! Bitcoin shall not become our currency. We shall not revert to our primordial uncivilized forms. We will have a centralized, democratic economy! Here here! Your sooo right, Atlas! I new sumwone hear wood figyur this out and set peeple strait! Down wit this anarkee system and up with the almitee dollar! I meen reely, get a brane morans! Yur system is duuumed! /No, not really //I loves me a good sarcastic trolling, couldn't resist joining in |
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June 07, 2011, 12:05:37 AM |
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Thank you Atlas for this post. Every morning I wake up to my alarm clock regulated by the US Standards and Time department. Then I eat my breakfast monitored by the FDA. Then I drive on government roads. Then I use government money. I thank the US everyday for everything that it has given to me and for allowing me to exist.
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"We will not find a solution to political problems in cryptography, but we can win a major battle in the arms race and gain a new territory of freedom for several years.
Governments are good at cutting off the heads of a centrally controlled networks, but pure P2P networks are holding their own."
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June 07, 2011, 03:06:23 AM |
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Its too late, the megapolitical entities that are in place around the world are failing. The democracy experiment has run its course and no government, not even our industrial military welfare state, will survive the information technology revolution that is underway as we speak. The Bitcoin currency is just one part in the hand of fate that microtechnology is dealing worldwide. If it fails, another one, two, ten  will take its place even more superior in resistance to manipulation by the concentration of power. Look at what napster spawned! Governments, in the form that they are now, will not be sustainable. The intellectual elite and their earning power will fly from them as fast as they can and there is nothing governments can do but transform to compete as walmart does for the concentrated form of human energy know as currency. Buffet saw this a decade ago when he noted that there is a rapid exodus of wealth leaving the USA. The wealthy are landing in more friendly jurisdictions that are making investing in them more attractive than leaving it in a country(soon to go the way of the dodo) that confiscates ruthlessly. Fear will make anarchy and more and more restrictive laws the norm as less and less revenue is generated from the unwilling(intelligent) and the willing(unintelligent) slaves know as citizens that are left leaving less and less to support the bloated overweight top heavy structure now in place. This is apparent with the passing and extending of laws like the patriot act and the more and more printing of dollars. Look at the ratio of deficit to gdp numbers around the world. It isn't a sustainable model anymore. Murder incorporated, or to the brainwashed by tv society, USA is trying in desperation to secure resources by having a presence (threat of violence and actual violence in the false name of securing our freedoms) in over 100 countries around the world. At least China is blatant about their grab for resources. It doesn't matter, all forms of government will not survive long as the profit of violence is being eroded thanks to the cyber economy and soon a mutitude of cybercash currencies(bitcoin) that will be accepted where fiat currencies soon will not. If you doubt it, look at a graphical picture of the cloud(internet) and compare it to a graphical picture of the synapses of a brain. How big is one of the nations on the internet? pick one, lets say facebook? over 600 million citizens and growing, compared to the usa 310 million. The power of microtechnology cannot be stopped. It is integrated into the life of the global village and is transforming it exponentially. Hang on it is about to go critical. |
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