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December 03, 2015, 08:25:33 AM
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The vote has passed in favour of the UK commencing air-strikes against the Daesh.

The opposition to this seems to worry more about the potential planned attacks on UK soil. However, I do feel that the speech delivered here by Hilary Benn gives a strong case FOR the strikes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34991402

What are your opinions on this decision?

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December 03, 2015, 09:22:14 AM
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I support that air strikes, just it dont look like word leaders really want to make end of those terrorists. If they do, they would make coalition and send ground troops there. I mean, almost whole world is involved in fight against bunch of armed natives, some foreign (non professional) mercenaries and random scum (all together not more than 100k of bad trained soldiers). It looks like bad joke.
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December 03, 2015, 10:16:57 AM
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The strikes on their own (without ground forces) not going to resolve anything but probably will make things worse. In addition as a side effect bombing and weakening the IS going to strengthen their competitors like al-Nusra and other jihadist groups, so in a few years from now we are going to have the same situation again (still). Otherwise bombing the shit out of those bastards is a pretty good idea.
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December 03, 2015, 10:22:53 AM
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The UK, and all the other NATO nations should have been in this fight all along. Yet they have sat back and relied on the good old U.S. to try and stop these vermin from the Koran. If the U.S. would have had support from the beginning, these terrible people would have never gained a foot hold. Now the time has come to defeat them, and what do you see? Good ole mother Russia, to gather up the spoils when it is over.
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December 03, 2015, 11:53:20 AM
Last edit: December 03, 2015, 12:04:40 PM by galdur
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Govt. spokesman George Orwell reported

Four British Tornados have hit seven targets in eastern Syrian oilfields in the wake of the Commons decision to join military action in an attempt to degrade and destroy Isis forces. The defence secretary, Michael Fallon, disclosed that the aircraft were using Paveway bombs and had “dealt a real blow” to the Isis-controlled oilfields. Fallon said the air campaign, due to be supported by reconstituted Syrian troops, could last as long as three years.

Real blows for three years...Man, they´re gonna kill each terrorist at least twenty times...


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December 03, 2015, 12:09:15 PM
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The UK joining the coalition will help a bit but actually make not much difference.

There are already many nations pounding ISIS positions. France, Russia and the USA are actually bombing for quite some time. What we really need to see is ground troops to go in there and destroy ISIS. But this is a high risk strategy for western leaders as they know the voters will not accept bodybags coming home.
 
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December 03, 2015, 01:27:08 PM
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BTW I hope the boys are prepared for the turkish air defence Smiley.
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December 03, 2015, 01:45:08 PM
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Air strikes are not working, this is already proven. If they want the real cleaning they should send ground troops.
This is positive news anyway. Always we made these expenses, let the UK spend their military money, too. Smiley
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December 03, 2015, 01:50:38 PM
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Dwarf deals real blows where giants have failed for over a year....

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The British contribution forms only a tiny part of U.S.-led "Operation Inherent Resolve", which has been bombing Islamic State targets in both Iraq and Syria for more than a year with hundreds of aircraft. Previously, the small British contingent participated in strikes on Iraq but not Syria.

The strikes have so far failed to dislodge the militants from a swathe of territory where they have proclaimed a Caliphate to rule over all Muslims, although Washington and its allies say they have helped halt the fighters' advance.

Although the British vote adds negligible new military capability to the coalition, it has taken on outsized political and diplomatic significance since gunmen and bombers killed 130 people last month in Paris. France had called for solidarity from Europe's other main military power in expanding military action.


Read more at Reuters http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/12/03/us-mideast-crisis-syria-britain-idUSKBN0TL00M20151203#oD4AKwrjVTmMzbk3.99

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December 03, 2015, 03:42:03 PM
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Air strikes are not working, this is already proven. If they want the real cleaning they should send ground troops.
This is positive news anyway. Always we made these expenses, let the UK spend their military money, too. Smiley

They are working and the attack on that Russian plane proves it. Bombings destroy their facilities and it hits their pockets.

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December 03, 2015, 04:05:15 PM
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bombing fucking does work, isis are experiencing defections and loss of revenue, the russians killed so many in one day the corpses had to be dumped in a sewage trench because there was no one to give muslim burial

admittedly lack of firepower is a problem, we spend 40 billion on defence and only able to muster 16 or so planes with everything else mothballed or not due to come into service until 2020, it is a bad situation

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December 03, 2015, 04:14:54 PM
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I am all for killing these terrorists, wherever they are. However, none of this bombing or overall engagement from the western countries will work and never has. In fact, likely to make it worse, just like the war in Iraq did. That war was based on lies and created the current chaos. The only way to deal with it is to expose the economic interests of those who benefit from these wars, boycott and isolate them. Expose and confiscate all their assets worldwide.
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December 03, 2015, 04:14:59 PM
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bombing fucking does work, isis are experiencing defections and loss of revenue, the russians killed so many in one day the corpses had to be dumped in a sewage trench because there was no one to give muslim burial

admittedly lack of firepower is a problem, we spend 40 billion on defence and only able to muster 16 or so planes with everything else mothballed or not due to come into service until 2020, it is a bad situation

That's right. They should focus on finding and destroying all their sources of income. If ISIS is forced to rely on donations only they are done.

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December 03, 2015, 04:20:16 PM
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bombing fucking does work, isis are experiencing defections and loss of revenue, the russians killed so many in one day the corpses had to be dumped in a sewage trench because there was no one to give muslim burial

admittedly lack of firepower is a problem, we spend 40 billion on defence and only able to muster 16 or so planes with everything else mothballed or not due to come into service until 2020, it is a bad situation

The Brits are going to bomb sand there in Syria until ISIS is strong enough in Lybia to start bombing there. It´s a great scam for weapons manufacturers and the politicians they fund, first they destroy countries and then they  come back later to bomb the disaster that they created to begin with. And so on. Iraq, Lybia, Syria. Nobody thinks of the obvious and totally necessary; taking those nutballs out of circulation in the interests of public safety. And so these scams could go on for decades for all I know.

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December 03, 2015, 05:15:15 PM
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There may be some promising angles in this business model. ISIS could very well spread from Lybia to Tunis and become powerful enough there to necessitate bombing that country to make sure that terrorism thrives there even better. Unfortunately the Atlantic Ocean is later the limit of expansion but at that point this policy will have displaced so much people that European nutcases will be forced to bomb their own sorry asses.

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December 03, 2015, 06:58:59 PM
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I find it fascinating that everyone wants to bomb ISIS in Syria. Look at the maps that are presented by EVERY news outlet out there on the territory controlled by ISIS. The bulk of it is in Iraq, but no one seems to care about bombing ISIS in Iraq. No, everyone just wants to bomb ISIS in Syria. Oh I understand there may be more oil infrastructure they control in Syria, but that doesn't take international coalitions to bomb that infrastructure into a wreck. Actually it would be better for ground forces to intercept the oil transports once they leave ISIS controlled areas instead. That way you stop them from selling it and your coalition could sell it instead to pay for what they are doing.
Oh wait, that would mean exposing Turkey's role in buying that oil wouldn't it - sorry....never mind.
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December 03, 2015, 07:25:02 PM
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I realize that criminals don´t give a hoot about laws but I´m still curious; exactly what gives this so called alliance the right to bomb Syrian territory? It is a matter of historical record that the same people that violate Syrian airspace say that Turkey had every right to shoot down that Russian plane. Yeah I know; those terrorists are in Syrian territory but the Syrian government didn´t invite them in. Aren´t you like obliged to ask a sovereign government for permission before bombing its land? What if Russia decided to bomb ISIS terrorists inside of Turkey? Would that mean world war 3 against criminals that don´t give a hoot about laws unless it fits their interests? I guess those fruitcakes and deviants there in London didn´t discuss such trivia there in the 11 hour hot air fest. Morals and ethics come up maybe once a decade in that congregation so that´s irrelevant in this context.

It isn´t a level playing field if criminals are allowed to behave at will but those who try to follow laws are punished.

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December 03, 2015, 07:56:27 PM
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The UK strikes oil fields, before that Russia Bombs Oil tanker trucks, and the US eventually bombs some oil tanker trucks as well. The US has run more than 6,000 air
strikes against ISIS for the past year. Why are any of these targets still there? Everyone knows ISIS is selling oil for cash to the Turks to fund their operations. Why has Obama allowed ISIS to continue pumping oil out of the ground and deliver it to Turkey?
Electric power is needed to pomp oil. Generators make a nice heat "signature" for targeting. Why not hit all the generators and oil trucks and let ISIS grind to a halt for lack of fuel and money? The answer is Obama doesn't want to defeat ISIS. He wants to allow them to exist and do a small amount tp make it look like he cares.

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December 03, 2015, 09:14:25 PM
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Wrong choice of target.

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December 04, 2015, 12:19:14 AM
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How are the ISIS allowed to sell oil for cash? Wouldn't a political intervention be better to slow down their cash flow? Simply make it illegal to buy oil from ISIS..

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