Bitfury: "16nm... sales to public start shortly"

[Sierra8561]

6 months before the halving, so... this past Christmas?

The halving is estimated for sometime mid-July and that puts the 6 month mark in mid-January.

Didn't think about the halving, yeah consumers probably won't see new miners until after it, that and the producers will be able to say "Catch up to the halving double your hashrate with new S9" or what not.

It will be before the halving, we all know it's coming and will allow us extra income temporarily until halving. To me that's a great incentive to buy asap.

You don't think they'll be greedy and mine all the way up until the halving and then sell those machines?

I'm sure they have the s9 all ready running on their mines. They may have some s7 used at a reduced price. That may be what we are seeing now.

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[CjMapope]

i also think they are mining with them as we speak.  use 0.1watt miners (S9), but CHARGE cloudhash miners maintenance for 0.25watt miners?(S7)
no doubt imo

i suppose were getting off topic here... but i think Bitfury's about done with this thread so it should be ok ;p

[HagssFIN]

6 months before the halving, so... this past Christmas?

The halving is estimated for sometime mid-July and that puts the 6 month mark in mid-January.

Didn't think about the halving, yeah consumers probably won't see new miners until after it, that and the producers will be able to say "Catch up to the halving double your hashrate with new S9" or what not.

ya official BMT finally admitted it on the thread today

"S9 's information is coming soon , please be patient , dear all acustomers! Once I got it , I will post on BMT as soon as possible !   

16mn for sure, they been working on them for months i bet

Did they say it on "Bitmaintalk" or where exactly?

[CjMapope]

6 months before the halving, so... this past Christmas?

The halving is estimated for sometime mid-July and that puts the 6 month mark in mid-January.

Didn't think about the halving, yeah consumers probably won't see new miners until after it, that and the producers will be able to say "Catch up to the halving double your hashrate with new S9" or what not.

ya official BMT finally admitted it on the thread today

"S9 's information is coming soon , please be patient , dear all acustomers! Once I got it , I will post on BMT as soon as possible !  

16mn for sure, they been working on them for months i bet

Did they say it on "Bitmaintalk" or where exactly?

this is the spec thread we made ourselves .  BMT finally confirms it by the end
https://enforum.bitmain.com/bbs/topics/3433

[HagssFIN]

6 months before the halving, so... this past Christmas?

The halving is estimated for sometime mid-July and that puts the 6 month mark in mid-January.

Didn't think about the halving, yeah consumers probably won't see new miners until after it, that and the producers will be able to say "Catch up to the halving double your hashrate with new S9" or what not.

ya official BMT finally admitted it on the thread today

"S9 's information is coming soon , please be patient , dear all acustomers! Once I got it , I will post on BMT as soon as possible !  

16mn for sure, they been working on them for months i bet

Did they say it on "Bitmaintalk" or where exactly?

this is the spec thread we made ourselves .  BMT finally confirms it by the end
https://enforum.bitmain.com/bbs/topics/3433
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Alright, pretty much legit when it is posted by a staff member.
This has gone quite off-topic now, but I'm eager to hear about BF's chip as well.
I'd prefer a BF chip miner for many reasons, one of them being that my Finnish fellow-countryman mr. Punin is the Head of Product Development.

[CjMapope]

personally when tommy at MS posted the shop item 2 weeks ago i KNEW it was legit. Tommy is legit, i believe it's Phil here that's been to his operation , so i knew he had no reason to BS .
no doubt this confirms mini-farms/large buyers get first info to prepare, rest of us just need to keep eyes and ears peeled to scrape what info we can to be prepared lol

[elrippo]

6 months before the halving, so... this past Christmas?

The halving is estimated for sometime mid-July and that puts the 6 month mark in mid-January.

Didn't think about the halving, yeah consumers probably won't see new miners until after it, that and the producers will be able to say "Catch up to the halving double your hashrate with new S9" or what not.

ya official BMT finally admitted it on the thread today

"S9 's information is coming soon , please be patient , dear all acustomers! Once I got it , I will post on BMT as soon as possible !  

16mn for sure, they been working on them for months i bet

Did they say it on "Bitmaintalk" or where exactly?

this is the spec thread we made ourselves .  BMT finally confirms it by the end
https://enforum.bitmain.com/bbs/topics/3433
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Alright, pretty much legit when it is posted by a staff member.

personally when tommy at MS posted the shop item 2 weeks ago i KNEW it was legit. Tommy is legit, i believe it's Phil here that's been to his operation , so i knew he had no reason to BS .
no doubt this confirms mini-farms/large buyers get first info to prepare, rest of us just need to keep eyes and ears peeled to scrape what info we can to be prepared lol

I agree with you in terms of unfair behaviour from BITMAIN towards the public, giving private options to other (bigger) customers first, but that's how the business works. First the A grade customer, than the rest.
If i look at the price of the "S9", i would not mind to wait a month or two for it to be halved 

[CjMapope]

his words   -----   "I can't tell you details about them, you will have to wait until Bitmain releases them officially"

no help at all for the little guys haha. i think we can safely guess 0.1SOMETHING watt (0.16 my guess) and def 16mn process.
after that, i'm not as versed on their patterns of builds, so someone else could prob give better guess on pcb setup and form factor and such

 thought edit -- were the last chips solid at 0.25watt? cause if so my guess at 0.16 may be high ;p 0.1watt even maybe? ;;

[dogie]

The 135-chip S7 probably loses 60-100W to the regulators. After that, the fans probably burn another 30-50W depending on speed. Give about 5W to the controller.

There was talk shortly after the S7 was released that Bitmain was starting 16nm dev.

For reference each 12038 loads at ~1.9A at 4000rpm, making each fan up to 23W.

[dogie]

Guys please don't quite the 9 previous messages, it makes the thread impossible to read

[carlosmnk]

Somewho knows if bitmain will release a 16nm chip? or it will be a 14nm chip?

I was thinking about why innosilicon is not anouncing the A3 release, it could be because somewho buyed the design of that chip?

[Finksy]

For reference each 12038 loads at ~1.9A at 4000rpm, making each fan up to 23W.

12038 is just a generic reference to 120mmx38mm fans, it's not a specific model. I was under the impression the fans were similar to the AFC1212DE 3900RPM fans which draw 3.0A max each. Not that this is remotely on topic or anything.

[sidehack]

I was estimating 2A per fan. I do have some 3A fans around, which do bear a resemblance to the S7 fans, so they could be running hotter. I've not put one on a meter to test but it shouldn't be too hard.

[in2tactics]

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Or they could have increased power efficiency by using gold wires.

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Why do you suppose gold wires will increase power efficiency?

[dogie]

For reference each 12038 loads at ~1.9A at 4000rpm, making each fan up to 23W.

12038 is just a generic reference to 120mmx38mm fans, it's not a specific model. I was under the impression the fans were similar to the AFC1212DE 3900RPM fans which draw 3.0A max each. Not that this is remotely on topic or anything.

It is a generic reference, which is also what Bitmain calls that fan. I had the data sheet at one point but I can't seem to find it now. The fan you linked is full rotor with no 'prespin' so uses more power.

[philipma1957]

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Or they could have increased power efficiency by using gold wires.

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Why do you suppose gold wires will increase power efficiency?

I think he was joking bro.

[Unacceptable]

The only "new" chips any home miner will ever see 

[in2tactics]

I think he was joking bro.

That is possible.

[QuintLeo]

For reference each 12038 loads at ~1.9A at 4000rpm, making each fan up to 23W.

12038 is just a generic reference to 120mmx38mm fans, it's not a specific model. I was under the impression the fans were similar to the AFC1212DE 3900RPM fans which draw 3.0A max each. Not that this is remotely on topic or anything.

 AFB aren't focused flow, they're FFB something-or-the-other or one of the FFB derivatives.

 Bitmain announced IN THE SAME ANNOUNCEMENT where they announced the S7 that they were working on another chip - I forget if it was 14nm or 16nm offhand. They have also in the last couple days mentioned that they would have information on the "upcomming S9" soon - but since they're not selling off "used" S7 units yet I'd guess at least another month perhaps 2 before they even think about starting sales on the S9, except perhaps on a pre-order basis.

 Given their roll-back on the efficiency spec of the A4 and the miner based on it from their original announcement, and that they were working on it at the same time as the A3, I suspect it turned out to have similar efficiency to the BW.COM LK-1401 chip rather than being a "new ground breaking" level of efficiency like the BitFury chip.

 It's also possible that the LK-1401 is actually the Innosilocon A3 design, given the long-standing relationship between Innosilocon and LKetc (which owns part of BW.COM), but that is pure speculation.

[Unacceptable]

For reference each 12038 loads at ~1.9A at 4000rpm, making each fan up to 23W.

12038 is just a generic reference to 120mmx38mm fans, it's not a specific model. I was under the impression the fans were similar to the AFC1212DE 3900RPM fans which draw 3.0A max each. Not that this is remotely on topic or anything.

 AFB aren't focused flow, they're FFB something-or-the-other or one of the FFB derivatives.

 Bitmain announced IN THE SAME ANNOUNCEMENT where they announced the S7 that they were working on another chip - I forget if it was 14nm or 16nm offhand. They have also in the last couple days mentioned that they would have information on the "upcomming S9" soon - but since they're not selling off "used" S7 units yet I'd guess at least another month perhaps 2 before they even think about starting sales on the S9, except perhaps on a pre-order basis.

 Given their roll-back on the efficiency spec of the A4 and the miner based on it from their original announcement, and that they were working on it at the same time as the A3, I suspect it turned out to have similar efficiency to the BW.COM LK-1401 chip rather than being a "new ground breaking" level of efficiency like the BitFury chip.

 It's also possible that the LK-1401 is actually the Innosilocon A3 design, given the long-standing relationship between Innosilocon and LKetc (which owns part of BW.COM), but that is pure speculation.

Got a link to this BW.com Can't find anything on it with google or bing