You guys need to fix the ban evasion issue before making another forum.

[TheGr33k]

Hi everyone. It's your buddy TheGr33k. Into today's episode, we'll be discussing how ban evasions work. Before we hop into that, what is a ban evasion?


Ban evasion; noun: A way to circumvent a ban. Used in a sentence: I got banned for being too offensive, so I just made another account and changed my way of typing so I wouldn't get banned again. I also started making multiple mules to post consistently and make money consistently with the help of signature campaigns.


Ban evasions are a problem that need to be fixed. If you can't fix it, there's no point in even banning anyone. Some websites are paying their moderators at least 12 dollars an hour from a 9-5 pace to literally sit behind their computer and babysit a forum section. Since this site has about maybe 40+ sections, that's about a 4,000 dollar paycheck to give daily but it is effective. It'll be less easier for scammers or people who were even marked unfairly as a scammer to just come back easily on a mule. Please fix that issue before even thinking about making a new forum as one person mentioned.


Also, somebody is spamming Bitcoin is dead in speculation. Do something about it.

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[Lauda]

There's so much wrong in this thread:

• Ban evasion is not broken, ergo does not need fixing.
• The new forum is already made; 'before' is useless
• Moderators do not get paid here, they get rewarded for contributions

If you would be the person paying me $12 per hour each day, I'd be glad to join.

[lolxxxx]

How could they fix the ban evasion issues ?
the use can create a new account by using proxy (if you are thinking that you can track the evader by the IP)
or he can use proxy with new computer , the user can refresh and delete his previous cookies to remain anonymous.
Its really hard to fix this issue if i am not wrong ?

[TheGr33k]

How could they fix the ban evasion issues ?
the use can create a new account by using proxy (if you are thinking that you can track the evader by the IP)
or he can use proxy with new computer , the user can refresh and delete his previous cookies to remain anonymous.
Its really hard to fix this issue if i am not wrong ?

Anything is possible. Where there's a will, there's a way and they're not having the will so how can there even be a way with no will? They don't even care to ban scammers. According to a  member's comment, scamming isn't against the rules because if they cared to stop it, they would have done it by now. The site is constantly being screen capped and web captured.

It's little things like this that honestly worry me that this site will be taken down and I don't want it to at all.

[Xian01]

How is OP not banned yet for shitting this place up so badly ?

[Lauda]

How is OP not banned yet for shitting this place up so badly ?

Theymos is way too tolerant and BadBear is a bit busy IIRC. Reminds me of the F something guy that was trolling me and pretty much everyone else (incl. the forum itself).

[thejaytiesto]

How could they fix the ban evasion issues ?
the use can create a new account by using proxy (if you are thinking that you can track the evader by the IP)
or he can use proxy with new computer , the user can refresh and delete his previous cookies to remain anonymous.
Its really hard to fix this issue if i am not wrong ?

Anything is possible. Where there's a will, there's a way and they're not having the will so how can there even be a way with no will? They don't even care to ban scammers. According to a  member's comment, scamming isn't against the rules because if they cared to stop it, they would have done it by now. The site is constantly being screen capped and web captured.

It's little things like this that honestly worry me that this site will be taken down and I don't want it to at all.

You say "everything is possible" but not really give out a concrete way to do it. And the reality of things is: There's no way to stop people from circumventing new bans. I mean it's bad enough already that if you want to create an account anonymously with Tor you need to pay BTC because the tor node was previously banned.
The only way would be to close registrations and start an invite-only policy, but this would be against the site's interest since you would lose lots of traffic, and even then, scammers would end up finding invitations.

Let's not ruin this great forum for the legit users because of the bad user's fault.

[DiscoverCebu]

How is OP not banned yet for shitting this place up so badly ?

Theymos is way too tolerant and BadBear is a bit busy IIRC. Reminds me of the F something guy that was trolling me and pretty much everyone else (incl. the forum itself).

I guess you mean Fwldksh(or something similar), pretty sure OP is codishmumu though.

[TheGr33k]

How could they fix the ban evasion issues ?
the use can create a new account by using proxy (if you are thinking that you can track the evader by the IP)
or he can use proxy with new computer , the user can refresh and delete his previous cookies to remain anonymous.
Its really hard to fix this issue if i am not wrong ?

Anything is possible. Where there's a will, there's a way and they're not having the will so how can there even be a way with no will? They don't even care to ban scammers. According to a  member's comment, scamming isn't against the rules because if they cared to stop it, they would have done it by now. The site is constantly being screen capped and web captured.

It's little things like this that honestly worry me that this site will be taken down and I don't want it to at all.

You say "everything is possible" but not really give out a concrete way to do it. And the reality of things is: There's no way to stop people from circumventing new bans. I mean it's bad enough already that if you want to create an account anonymously with Tor you need to pay BTC because the tor node was previously banned.
The only way would be to close registrations and start an invite-only policy, but this would be against the site's interest since you would lose lots of traffic, and even then, scammers would end up finding invitations.

Let's not ruin this great forum for the legit users because of the bad user's fault.

The last time I provided a way for the site to look more professional, the moderators shut my idea down so why would I bother giving ideas....?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

How could they fix the ban evasion issues ?
the use can create a new account by using proxy (if you are thinking that you can track the evader by the IP)
or he can use proxy with new computer , the user can refresh and delete his previous cookies to remain anonymous.
Its really hard to fix this issue if i am not wrong ?

Anything is possible. Where there's a will, there's a way and they're not having the will so how can there even be a way with no will? They don't even care to ban scammers. According to a  member's comment, scamming isn't against the rules because if they cared to stop it, they would have done it by now. The site is constantly being screen capped and web captured.

It's little things like this that honestly worry me that this site will be taken down and I don't want it to at all.

Hey, I said that and it was just my opinion.  What do you mean by the site being screencapped and web captured.  Somedude on another thread said he screencapped something I said so he could call me a retard in future threads.

[Xian01]

The last time I provided a way for the site to look more professional, the moderators shut my idea down so why would I bother giving ideas....?

If you want professional, Linkedin is that way         ----->

And technically speaking, Xian01's comment is off topic and should be deleted along with everyone that quoted him but whatever.

Cool story, bro.

[Lauda]

And technically speaking, Xian01's comment is off topic and should be deleted along with everyone that quoted him but whatever.

Cool story, bro.

It is not because it technically affects OP and his suggestion(s). The input is okay because it can be used if a good discussion gets started.

I guess you mean Fwldksh(or something similar), pretty sure OP is codishmumu though.

That is a possibility.

How could they fix the ban evasion issues ?

Something that is not broken can't be fixed.

[achow101]

There are a few ways you could attempt to prevent ban evasion. I have made a comparison for you.
IP Ban:

• Pros:
  • Really easy to do
• Cons:
  
  • May ban more than just one user due to shared IPs or dynamic IP addresses
  • People can just use proxies and pay the fee

Linguistic Analysis to determine alts

• Pros
  • Could easily identify potential alts
• Cons
  • Could be really hard to program decently well
  • Could result in a lot of false positives because people raised in similar environments will typically speak and write the same way
  • People who change their writing styles (which is actually a lot harder than you think it would be) would be able to evade this
  • Some users might not have enough posts to have enough data to analyze (e.g. newly created accounts)

Blockchain analysis program to determine alts

• Pros
  • Would be mostly definitive proof of an alt
• Cons
  • Might be a little hard to write to have the program distinguish between an address posted by a user and one that a person mentions to talk about something
  • Mixers and coinjoin transactions circumvent this

See the problem with all of these is that they cannot prevent and catch all ban evaders. As you said so yourself, if there is a will, there's a way, and those ban evading will find a way to circumvent all of those techniques.

[TheGr33k]

How could they fix the ban evasion issues ?
the use can create a new account by using proxy (if you are thinking that you can track the evader by the IP)
or he can use proxy with new computer , the user can refresh and delete his previous cookies to remain anonymous.
Its really hard to fix this issue if i am not wrong ?

Anything is possible. Where there's a will, there's a way and they're not having the will so how can there even be a way with no will? They don't even care to ban scammers. According to a  member's comment, scamming isn't against the rules because if they cared to stop it, they would have done it by now. The site is constantly being screen capped and web captured.

It's little things like this that honestly worry me that this site will be taken down and I don't want it to at all.

Hey, I said that and it was just my opinion.  What do you mean by the site being screencapped and web captured.  Somedude on another thread said he screencapped something I said so he could call me a retard in future threads.

Taking photos of the site. It doesn't really matter to me though.

[Spoetnik]

@OP
As usual you are a raging juggernaut of cluelessness.

Did you know there was a Nooby Jail way back ?

Did you know they tried banning proxies ?

Long ago a random guy (balance.ninja 10/14/2014) on Poloniex said hey Spoetnik check this out..
Picture below was from a LONG time ago.. click on the below link to see it now

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=credit;unproxyban

[langedwig]

There's so much wrong in this thread:

• Ban evasion is not broken, ergo does not need fixing.
• The new forum is already made; 'before' is useless
• Moderators do not get paid here, they get rewarded for contributions

If you would be the person paying me $12 per hour each day, I'd be glad to join.

New forum ?
Means bitcointalk will close ?
What is new forum link ?

[lolxxxx]

How is OP not banned yet for shitting this place up so badly ?

A Question from me why should he get banned just for saying to fix this issue .. though its not a issue its a problem to forum .
he is just sharing his idea , his idea is good but its hard .

[Lauda]

New forum ?
Means bitcointalk will close ?
What is new forum link ?

There has been talk about this for ages. A new forum is in the works and it will be the same BTCT (content wise) just on new software.

A Question from me why should he get banned just for saying to fix this issue .. though its not a issue its a problem to forum .
he is just sharing his idea , his idea is good but its hard .

Good? You mean useless waste of time and money which probably wouldn't help with complex cases?

[lolxxxx]

A Question from me why should he get banned just for saying to fix this issue .. though its not a issue its a problem to forum .
he is just sharing his idea , his idea is good but its hard .

Good? You mean useless waste of time and money which probably wouldn't help with complex cases?

yea right i m saying that its useless to waste money and time on these kind of cases which are not going to slove and if we try it would be hard and complex as you said .

[enhu]

How could they fix the ban evasion issues ?
the use can create a new account by using proxy (if you are thinking that you can track the evader by the IP)
or he can use proxy with new computer , the user can refresh and delete his previous cookies to remain anonymous.
Its really hard to fix this issue if i am not wrong ?

Anything is possible. Where there's a will, there's a way and they're not having the will so how can there even be a way with no will? They don't even care to ban scammers. According to a  member's comment, scamming isn't against the rules because if they cared to stop it, they would have done it by now. The site is constantly being screen capped and web captured.

It's little things like this that honestly worry me that this site will be taken down and I don't want it to at all.

You say "everything is possible" but not really give out a concrete way to do it. And the reality of things is: There's no way to stop people from circumventing new bans. I mean it's bad enough already that if you want to create an account anonymously with Tor you need to pay BTC because the tor node was previously banned.
The only way would be to close registrations and start an invite-only policy, but this would be against the site's interest since you would lose lots of traffic, and even then, scammers would end up finding invitations.

Let's not ruin this great forum for the legit users because of the bad user's fault.

Invite only is going to kill the bitcoin economy which is more important than all these forum issues. Keep in mind that if no one is using a coin, the coin will eventually die.

While users can register every minute of the day to get another account, there is no way they can scam if people are just aware of the scam possibilities.
Its not the forums fault that they got scammed, they should be aware of how the stuff works before getting into a deal. If the deal is something suspicious, they better cancel it or take their own risk.

[TheGr33k]

A Question from me why should he get banned just for saying to fix this issue .. though its not a issue its a problem to forum .
he is just sharing his idea , his idea is good but its hard .

Please refrain from quoting posts that are not relevant or helpful to the main discussion in this thread. Also make sure to report it so we can focus attention on the important issues and find effective solutions for them.

To all the people that clearly have personal issues with me, I'd rather just take my small amount of effort to just remove them from my mind and just concentrate on my long term goals. They are giving me consent to upset them that bad to the point that they have to click on my thread that no one forced them to click on and make an offensive off-topic post which is also an indication that they'd rather focus their attention on insiginificant people on the internet rather than focus on more important things like paying their bills to keep a roof over their head. Oh well. That's them. Not my problem.

[Heutenamos]

so we can focus attention on the important issues and find effective solutions for them.

what makes you think that you are doing what you are thinking/posting ? Ban isn't such an issue it's just irritating and is being well moderated by the staff with the help of some active users.

What you are saying could have had more effect if it was said by some trusted or very helpful guy on the forum.Luckily Hilarious&co has revealed your identity to the forum.

[TheGr33k]

Didn't read that, since you quoted a post that was off topic. Stay on topic.

Anyway, I'd rather focus my attention on the discussion here so if you're one of the people that just came to be offensive and not actually discuss the topic, welcome to my ignore list. Nothing personal. Have a good one.

[Heutenamos]

Didn't read that, since you quoted a post that was off topic. Stay on topic.

Anyway, I'd rather focus my attention on the discussion here so if you're one of the people that just came to be offensive and not actually discuss the topic, welcome to my ignore list. Nothing personal. Have a good one.

I am not here to offence/accuse you and neither doing it satisfies me by any means but you didn't cared to read what i said about the Ban cause you weren't able to handle your own trust and behavior when someone placed it in front of you.

your ignore list is nothing great than others and people don't think of it before posting anything about you.

[TheGr33k]

There are a few ways you could attempt to prevent ban evasion. I have made a comparison for you.
IP Ban:

• Pros:
  • Really easy to do
• Cons:
  
  • May ban more than just one user due to shared IPs or dynamic IP addresses
  • People can just use proxies and pay the fee

Linguistic Analysis to determine alts

• Pros
  • Could easily identify potential alts
• Cons
  • Could be really hard to program decently well
  • Could result in a lot of false positives because people raised in similar environments will typically speak and write the same way
  • People who change their writing styles (which is actually a lot harder than you think it would be) would be able to evade this
  • Some users might not have enough posts to have enough data to analyze (e.g. newly created accounts)

Blockchain analysis program to determine alts

• Pros
  • Would be mostly definitive proof of an alt
• Cons
  • Might be a little hard to write to have the program distinguish between an address posted by a user and one that a person mentions to talk about something
  • Mixers and coinjoin transactions circumvent this

See the problem with all of these is that they cannot prevent and catch all ban evaders. As you said so yourself, if there is a will, there's a way, and those ban evading will find a way to circumvent all of those techniques.

It's a lot to consider. My only main concern here with the whole sign up situations is that people should probably sign up to a site that deals in money with their first and last legal names since people claim Bitcoin is not anonymous. Why not make it 100% transparent? After all, doxxing is allowed on this site and it'd sure clear the scamming situations if we all sign up with our legal names and credit cards.

Since we only have one name in real life, that'd help the ban evasion issue

[Xian01]

Please refrain from quoting posts that are not relevant or helpful to the main discussion in this thread.

... but ban evasion is not a worthwhile or trivial issue to fully resolve for these forums, therefore, this entire thread should be deleted.

I'd rather just take my small amount of effort to just remove them from my mind and just concentrate on my long term goals

Fixing Bitcointalk is a part of your long term goals ?

Dude... You are Sisyphus incarnate.

[TheGr33k]

How could they fix the ban evasion issues ?
the use can create a new account by using proxy (if you are thinking that you can track the evader by the IP)
or he can use proxy with new computer , the user can refresh and delete his previous cookies to remain anonymous.
Its really hard to fix this issue if i am not wrong ?

Anything is possible. Where there's a will, there's a way and they're not having the will so how can there even be a way with no will? They don't even care to ban scammers. According to a  member's comment, scamming isn't against the rules because if they cared to stop it, they would have done it by now. The site is constantly being screen capped and web captured.

It's little things like this that honestly worry me that this site will be taken down and I don't want it to at all.

You say "everything is possible" but not really give out a concrete way to do it. And the reality of things is: There's no way to stop people from circumventing new bans. I mean it's bad enough already that if you want to create an account anonymously with Tor you need to pay BTC because the tor node was previously banned.
The only way would be to close registrations and start an invite-only policy, but this would be against the site's interest since you would lose lots of traffic, and even then, scammers would end up finding invitations.

Let's not ruin this great forum for the legit users because of the bad user's fault.

Invite only is going to kill the bitcoin economy which is more important than all these forum issues. Keep in mind that if no one is using a coin, the coin will eventually die.

While users can register every minute of the day to get another account, there is no way they can scam if people are just aware of the scam possibilities.
Its not the forums fault that they got scammed, they should be aware of how the stuff works before getting into a deal. If the deal is something suspicious, they better cancel it or take their own risk.

I think I just came up with a better way to solve this: We could start signing up with our first and last legal names and credit card info. Doxxing is allowed, so why not save a doxxer's trouble by just signing up with social security numbers, and other legal information? We only have one legal name so this will actually help the ban evasion issue by signing up with credit cards, social security numbers, legal names, home addresses, and so on. Again, if doxxing is allowed then we might as well just start doxxing everyone. It'll save us a lot of time in the end on scammers. If you want to keep anonymous and not have something like credit card info linked up then that probably means you have something to hide. It's just the way I see it.

[Xian01]

I think I just came up with a better way to solve this: We could start signing up with our first and last legal names and credit card info. Doxxing is allowed, so why not save a doxxer's trouble by just signing up with social security numbers, and other legal information? We only have one legal name so this will actually help the ban evasion issue by signing up with credit cards, social security numbers, legal names, home addresses, and so on. Again, if doxxing is allowed then we might as well just start doxxing everyone. It'll save us a lot of time in the end on scammers. If you want to keep anonymous and not have something like credit card info linked up then that probably means you have something to hide. It's just the way I see it.

[TheGr33k]

Let's not ruin this great forum for the legit users because of the bad user's fault.

One more thing: It wouldn't be ruining it if they had nothing to hide. Some Bitcoin users really don't mind showing their actual face. For the ones that have stolen photos, who is to say? Stealing identity is against the law. Everyone here wants to make Bitcoin seem innocent. Well, here's an opportunity to do so which is to firstly be upfront about who you are. I'm hoping to talk to the creator of Technacoin next 2 weeks from now to hopefully add that to our new forum. It'll definitely be more transparent and professional.

[TheGr33k]

New forum ?
Means bitcointalk will close ?
What is new forum link ?

There's a new forum for BitcoinTalk coming out I think with a new url I guess but if it's going to be exactly the same, you might as well not even make it if it's just going to have a "slightly better appearance".

[Snorek]

There are a few ways you could attempt to prevent ban evasion. I have made a comparison for you.
IP Ban:

• Pros:
  • Really easy to do
• Cons:
  
  • May ban more than just one user due to shared IPs or dynamic IP addresses
  • People can just use proxies and pay the fee

Linguistic Analysis to determine alts

• Pros
  • Could easily identify potential alts
• Cons
  • Could be really hard to program decently well
  • Could result in a lot of false positives because people raised in similar environments will typically speak and write the same way
  • People who change their writing styles (which is actually a lot harder than you think it would be) would be able to evade this
  • Some users might not have enough posts to have enough data to analyze (e.g. newly created accounts)

Blockchain analysis program to determine alts

• Pros
  • Would be mostly definitive proof of an alt
• Cons
  • Might be a little hard to write to have the program distinguish between an address posted by a user and one that a person mentions to talk about something
  • Mixers and coinjoin transactions circumvent this

See the problem with all of these is that they cannot prevent and catch all ban evaders. As you said so yourself, if there is a will, there's a way, and those ban evading will find a way to circumvent all of those techniques.

None of these methods are even remotely good at determining potential ban evasion in process.

1. IP bans are blast from the past, IPs are expendable and you can have unlimited number of them.
2. Method number 2 offers not enough proof and it is not definitive - it is pure speculation, furthermore I don't believe that we can have bot/script doing this.
3. Potentially the best out of these 3. But still not ideal and could be abused, can backfire and it is just be not accurate to the point you could ban people after comparing addresses.

[achow101]

None of these methods are even remotely good at determining potential ban evasion in process.

1. IP bans are blast from the past, IPs are expendable and you can have unlimited number of them.
2. Method number 2 offers not enough proof and it is not definitive - it is pure speculation, furthermore I don't believe that we can have bot/script doing this.
3. Potentially the best out of these 3. But still not ideal and could be abused, can backfire and it is just be not accurate to the point you could ban people after comparing addresses.

But these are pretty much the only methods, mostly the third one, that are used to determine alts. If you can think of anything better go for it.

This also illustrates how you can't possibly prevent people from evading bans, there simply aren't any truly effective methods of determining alts.

BTW the third method checks to see if two addresses posted by to different accounts were used in the sand transaction thus mostly proving that they are the same person since usually only the only time two addresses a can sign a transaction is if the same person owns both private keys. The way around this is to use coin join transactions.

[TheGr33k]

There are a few ways you could attempt to prevent ban evasion. I have made a comparison for you.
IP Ban:

• Pros:
  • Really easy to do
• Cons:
  
  • May ban more than just one user due to shared IPs or dynamic IP addresses
  • People can just use proxies and pay the fee

Linguistic Analysis to determine alts

• Pros
  • Could easily identify potential alts
• Cons
  • Could be really hard to program decently well
  • Could result in a lot of false positives because people raised in similar environments will typically speak and write the same way
  • People who change their writing styles (which is actually a lot harder than you think it would be) would be able to evade this
  • Some users might not have enough posts to have enough data to analyze (e.g. newly created accounts)

Blockchain analysis program to determine alts

• Pros
  • Would be mostly definitive proof of an alt
• Cons
  • Might be a little hard to write to have the program distinguish between an address posted by a user and one that a person mentions to talk about something
  • Mixers and coinjoin transactions circumvent this

See the problem with all of these is that they cannot prevent and catch all ban evaders. As you said so yourself, if there is a will, there's a way, and those ban evading will find a way to circumvent all of those techniques.

None of these methods are even remotely good at determining potential ban evasion in process.

1. IP bans are blast from the past, IPs are expendable and you can have unlimited number of them.
2. Method number 2 offers not enough proof and it is not definitive - it is pure speculation, furthermore I don't believe that we can have bot/script doing this.
3. Potentially the best out of these 3. But still not ideal and could be abused, can backfire and it is just be not accurate to the point you could ban people after comparing addresses.

I personally somewhat favored the ideas but if you don't like them then here's more: Signing up with full legal names, SSN and credit card information.

1. It'll stop the ban evasions since we are all born with only one legal name.

2. People who doxx each other can save time from doxxing people if the moderators have all the documents on a user they need.

3. It'll stop scammers if we know their first and last legal names to confidently put them behind bars

Everyone says Bitcoin is not anonymous. Let's make it 100% transparent then if you all really have nothing to hide.

[minifrij]

I personally somewhat favored the ideas but if you don't like them then here's more: Signing up with full legal names, SSN and credit card information.

1. It'll stop the ban evasions since we are all born with only one legal name.

...

3. It'll stop scammers if we know their first and last legal names to confidently put them behind bars

The forum doesn't know that what you input is real, and there would be no authority for making people put in the correct name. What would happen if I put in the name John Doe? It's of course not my real name, though how would the forum know? Also, take a look at services such as fakena.me. What would stop people using services such as those to generate a fake name, details and SSN? Also, a lot of people don't own a credit card. Until very recently I didn't even own a bank account, and I have no intentions to get a credit card any time soon. Would that make me invalid and unavailable for registering to this site?

To continue with this bit, as I'm sure a lot of people here know, the forum's security isn't perfect. There have been several hacks which have resulted in accounts being compromised and information being stolen. Could you imagine if this happened with people's actual, private information?

Everyone says Bitcoin is not anonymous. Let's make it 100% transparent then if you all really have nothing to hide.

I have nothing to hide whatsoever. That doesn't mean that I want to give out my personal information to everyone. I value my privacy, which is part of the reason I use VPNs and Bitcoin so much.

As I'm sure has already been said, ban evasion isn't ever going to stop. No matter what we put in the way to try and stop it, people will find a way around. That's human nature. The best we can do is just flag alts when we see them and continue on with the regular.

[TheGr33k]

Also everyone: Technacoin is making sure their upcoming Bitcoin forum has members signing up with legal names, SSN and credit card info so you can be sure that our forum will be much more professional.

[Lauda]

Also everyone: Technacoin is making sure their upcoming Bitcoin forum has members signing up with legal names, SSN and credit card info so you can be sure that our forum will be much more professional.

That is a stupid move at best. Just wait until someone hacks it, and they will pretty quickly judging by the intelligence of the people who are making(going to run) the forum.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Also everyone: Technacoin is making sure their upcoming Bitcoin forum has members signing up with legal names, SSN and credit card info so you can be sure that our forum will be much more professional.

There's a site I won't be visiting.   Good deal for the both of us.

[minifrij]

Also everyone: Technacoin is making sure their upcoming Bitcoin forum has members signing up with legal names, SSN and credit card info so you can be sure that our forum will be much more professional.

All I can say is, good luck creating a forum on an anonymous currency where you need more information than Paypal in order to create an account. Lauda pretty much says everything else I could want to.

[TheGr33k]

Also everyone: Technacoin is making sure their upcoming Bitcoin forum has members signing up with legal names, SSN and credit card info so you can be sure that our forum will be much more professional.

There's a site I won't be visiting.   Good deal for the both of us.

SS is to prevent money laundering. We're just trying to protect people from scammers and ban evaders. We want to be 100% professional and if you hide your legal name, you're probably trying to hide something.


Here on BitcoinTalk, I don't attempt to use it to make real money these days so I have every right to stay anonymous but the ones that are trying to make some significant cash here and there should probably be upfront about who they are. If you're a good person, we can be sure you have nothing to hide. I once use to think anonymity was good but now I'm thinking there's no point to it unless you're trying to hide something negative about you. Doxxing is allowed here, so we might as well just doxx everyone.

[Xian01]

Also everyone: Technacoin is making sure their upcoming Bitcoin forum has members signing up with legal names, SSN and credit card info so you can be sure that our forum will be much more professional.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention; will be avoiding the site on principle.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Also everyone: Technacoin is making sure their upcoming Bitcoin forum has members signing up with legal names, SSN and credit card info so you can be sure that our forum will be much more professional.

There's a site I won't be visiting.   Good deal for the both of us.

SS is to prevent money laundering. We're just trying to protect people from scammers and ban evaders. We want to be 100% professional and if you hide your legal name, you're probably trying to hide something.


Here on BitcoinTalk, I don't attempt to use it to make real money these days so I have every right to stay anonymous but the ones that are trying to make some significant cash here and there should probably be upfront about who they are. If you're a good person, we can be sure you have nothing to hide. I once use to think anonymity was good but now I'm thinking there's no point to it unless you're trying to hide something negative about you. Doxxing is allowed here, so we might as well just doxx everyone.

You have got to be trolling us.  If you truly think like this then you should go work for the government.  Better yet, don't.

[TheGr33k]

Also everyone: Technacoin is making sure their upcoming Bitcoin forum has members signing up with legal names, SSN and credit card info so you can be sure that our forum will be much more professional.

There's a site I won't be visiting.   Good deal for the both of us.

SS is to prevent money laundering. We're just trying to protect people from scammers and ban evaders. We want to be 100% professional and if you hide your legal name, you're probably trying to hide something.


Here on BitcoinTalk, I don't attempt to use it to make real money these days so I have every right to stay anonymous but the ones that are trying to make some significant cash here and there should probably be upfront about who they are. If you're a good person, we can be sure you have nothing to hide. I once use to think anonymity was good but now I'm thinking there's no point to it unless you're trying to hide something negative about you. Doxxing is allowed here, so we might as well just doxx everyone.

You have got to be trolling us.  If you truly think like this then you should go work for the government.  Better yet, don't.

No. Definitely not trolling. I use to think just like you but now I'm seeing establishment does indeed know best.


But let's be honest: Why don't you want people to sign up to a site that deals with money with legal information...? You want scammers to continue on and on? You want scammers to be anonymous forever and hide behind a wall? SS is the only way to really stop it. If you really want Bitcoin to succeed one day and be given mass adoption, the first thing we're gonna have to do is come forward and prove we're good people and that we have nothing to hide. Every single day I watch the price drop and consistently see accusation after accusation about Bitcoin's negative image. A news team even went so far as to say Bitcoin was behind the Paris attacks. Criminals hide. Good people do not.

[Lauda]

But let's be honest: Why don't you want people to sign up to a site that deals with money with legal information...? You want scammers to continue on and on? You want scammers to be anonymous forever and hide behind a wall? SS is the only way to really stop it. If you really want Bitcoin to succeed one day and be given mass adoption, the first thing we're gonna have to do is come forward and prove we're good people and that we have nothing to hide. Every single day I watch the price drop and consistently see accusation after accusation about Bitcoin's negative image. A news team even went so far as to say Bitcoin was behind the Paris attacks. Criminals hide. Good people do not.

You're trolling and ignoring the comments that easily destroy your stupid arguments (yes, they're stupid). Access to such a huge amount of real life, personal information is catastrophic especially in the world of Bitcoin.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention; will be avoiding the site on principle.

Yes.

All I can say is, good luck creating a forum on an anonymous currency where you need more information than Paypal in order to create an account. Lauda pretty much says everything else I could want to.

If I were a hacker I would be very excited about that forum.

[TheGr33k]

Also @The Pharmacist, its not like the founder of Technacoin would allow the government to steal your hard earnings on the new forum he's making. He just requires some small information to keep tabs on users to prevent malicious activity. He won't share your information to the public. It's for his eyes only. 100% confidentiality assured. It was his idea and I work for him so I gotta stick with him. With the new forum, he isn't even looking for users to pay to use it unless they want special features include.

[kingaltcoins]

Ban evasion policy must not be allowed in this forum. If allowed, it'll help scammers get away with scamming one more time. I think they should be IP banned also so that they cannot make alt accounts. theymos must have to be strict here.

[achow101]

Also @The Pharmacist, its not like the founder of Technacoin would allow the government to steal your hard earnings on the new forum he's making. He just requires some small information to keep tabs on users to prevent malicious activity. He won't share your information to the public. It's for his eyes only. 100% confidentiality assured. It was his idea and I work for him so I gotta stick with him. With the new forum, he isn't even looking for users to pay to use it unless they want special features include.

Is his security better than Target's, Adobe's, OPM, etc, security? Are you saying that this one guy is smarter than all of the security personnel that work at big corporations who have had huge hacks recently which compromised hundreds of thousands of SSN's, credit card numbers, birthdates, addresses, even fingerprints. If he is so good at security, is he famous for being a super good security person? Does he work for some huge company that values it security and has never been hacked?

Basically, I highly doubt that that forum will be secure enough to keep all of that sensitive and private information secure from hackers. It will be a really easy target for hackers to get some easy SSNs and Credit Card numbers to steal.

[TheGr33k]

Also @The Pharmacist, its not like the founder of Technacoin would allow the government to steal your hard earnings on the new forum he's making. He just requires some small information to keep tabs on users to prevent malicious activity. He won't share your information to the public. It's for his eyes only. 100% confidentiality assured. It was his idea and I work for him so I gotta stick with him. With the new forum, he isn't even looking for users to pay to use it unless they want special features include.

Is his security better than Target's, Adobe's, OPM, etc, security? Are you saying that this one guy is smarter than all of the security personnel that work at big corporations who have had huge hacks recently which compromised hundreds of thousands of SSN's, credit card numbers, birthdates, addresses, even fingerprints. If he is so good at security, is he famous for being a super good security person? Does he work for some huge company that values it security and has never been hacked?

Basically, I highly doubt that that forum will be secure enough to keep all of that sensitive and private information secure from hackers. It will be a really easy target for hackers to get some easy SSNs and Credit Card numbers to steal.

Luckily he's thought ahead on that. I asked him about this and he mentioned until he gets enough money to fund electronic security, he takes paper documents mailed to his business. Paper happily cannot be hacked. When he gets that money, it's impossible to hack a strong antivirus malware and all around anti malicious adware software.

[achow101]

Also @The Pharmacist, its not like the founder of Technacoin would allow the government to steal your hard earnings on the new forum he's making. He just requires some small information to keep tabs on users to prevent malicious activity. He won't share your information to the public. It's for his eyes only. 100% confidentiality assured. It was his idea and I work for him so I gotta stick with him. With the new forum, he isn't even looking for users to pay to use it unless they want special features include.

Is his security better than Target's, Adobe's, OPM, etc, security? Are you saying that this one guy is smarter than all of the security personnel that work at big corporations who have had huge hacks recently which compromised hundreds of thousands of SSN's, credit card numbers, birthdates, addresses, even fingerprints. If he is so good at security, is he famous for being a super good security person? Does he work for some huge company that values it security and has never been hacked?

Basically, I highly doubt that that forum will be secure enough to keep all of that sensitive and private information secure from hackers. It will be a really easy target for hackers to get some easy SSNs and Credit Card numbers to steal.

Luckily he's thought ahead on that. I asked him about this and he mentioned until he gets enough money to fund electronic security, he takes paper documents mailed to his business. Paper happily cannot be hacked. When he gets that money, it's impossible to hack a strong antivirus malware and all around anti malicious adware software.

Paper takes a lot of time, it's inconvenient. I doubt his business will get a lot of business while he does that.

It is most certainly possible to hack a strong antivirus software. And those software cannot protect against vulnerabilities in software that do not require malware. If he doesn't sufficiently protect himself from attacks like buffer overflows (e.g. heartbleed), sql injection, etc, the best antivirus software will do absolutely nothing. In fact, having antivirus on a server is completely pointless. There is no good reason to have an antivirus on a server since a server should never be running any binary file except for the server software and its dependencies. Nothing else should ever be run, nor can anything else be run if the server owner isn't interacting with server except for site updates. And those should not be messing with the software anyways.

[TheGr33k]

Also @The Pharmacist, its not like the founder of Technacoin would allow the government to steal your hard earnings on the new forum he's making. He just requires some small information to keep tabs on users to prevent malicious activity. He won't share your information to the public. It's for his eyes only. 100% confidentiality assured. It was his idea and I work for him so I gotta stick with him. With the new forum, he isn't even looking for users to pay to use it unless they want special features include.

Is his security better than Target's, Adobe's, OPM, etc, security? Are you saying that this one guy is smarter than all of the security personnel that work at big corporations who have had huge hacks recently which compromised hundreds of thousands of SSN's, credit card numbers, birthdates, addresses, even fingerprints. If he is so good at security, is he famous for being a super good security person? Does he work for some huge company that values it security and has never been hacked?

Basically, I highly doubt that that forum will be secure enough to keep all of that sensitive and private information secure from hackers. It will be a really easy target for hackers to get some easy SSNs and Credit Card numbers to steal.

Luckily he's thought ahead on that. I asked him about this and he mentioned until he gets enough money to fund electronic security, he takes paper documents mailed to his business. Paper happily cannot be hacked. When he gets that money, it's impossible to hack a strong antivirus malware and all around anti malicious adware software.

Paper takes a lot of time, it's inconvenient. I doubt his business will get a lot of business while he does that.

It is most certainly possible to hack a strong antivirus software. And those software cannot protect against vulnerabilities in software that do not require malware. If he doesn't sufficiently protect himself from attacks like buffer overflows (e.g. heartbleed), sql injection, etc, the best antivirus software will do absolutely nothing. In fact, having antivirus on a server is completely pointless. There is no good reason to have an antivirus on a server since a server should never be running any binary file except for the server software and its dependencies. Nothing else should ever be run, nor can anything else be run if the server owner isn't interacting with server except for site updates. And those should not be messing with the software anyways.

Eh. Speak for yourself. It's gotten a lot of interest so far of 1,568 in just a couple of weeks in getting the word out to potential future users. Of course he'll need more than a little over a thousand to make a full strong community but I'd tell you that is a huge following for a forum that isn't out yet in my humble opinion.

[TheGr33k]

Ban evasion policy must not be allowed in this forum. If allowed, it'll help scammers get away with scamming one more time. I think they should be IP banned also so that they cannot make alt accounts. theymos must have to be strict here.

IP bans are easily avoided with the help of VPN'S.

Not only that, IP's alternate. People that did nothing wrong can randomly get a banned IP.

[TheGr33k]

Somebody spamming Bitcoin is dead in speculation from a different account everytime they get banned would only prove my point. Fix the ban evasion issue and you won't have to manually delete nonsense like that.

[achow101]

Somebody spamming Bitcoin is dead in speculation from a different account everytime they get banned would only prove my point. Fix the ban evasion issue and you won't have to manually delete nonsense like that.

They are getting nuked immediately by a bot. No one is manually deleting them.

There is nothing that can be done about it. You can't "fix ban evasion" for this since the guy posting is probably a bot which is using a proxy and constantly changing its ip address. There is nothing other than the account's first post that indicates that it is ban evading. You literally cannot ban them for ban evading if they haven't posted anything yet.

If you say that this can be fixed, then please, tell us.

[Lauda]

They are getting nuked immediately by a bot. No one is manually deleting them.

Technically no. Sometimes the majority of the posts are handled by the bot and sometimes by the staff; I don't mind though, that's why we are here for.

There is nothing that can be done about it. You can't "fix ban evasion" for this since the guy posting is probably a bot which is using a proxy and constantly changing its ip address. There is nothing other than the account's first post that indicates that it is ban evading. You literally cannot ban them for ban evading if they haven't posted anything yet.

If you say that this can be fixed, then please, tell us.

Just ignore OP as he is a troll. He ignores arguments that destroy his ignorant points. His viewpoint is that this forum should place restrictions for everyone because of some bad actors, and that it should become a huge database of personal information. What could possibly go wrong?  

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Also @The Pharmacist, its not like the founder of Technacoin would allow the government to steal your hard earnings on the new forum he's making. He just requires some small information to keep tabs on users to prevent malicious activity. He won't share your information to the public. It's for his eyes only. 100% confidentiality assured. It was his idea and I work for him so I gotta stick with him. With the new forum, he isn't even looking for users to pay to use it unless they want special features include.

I don't trust that, sir.  Anonymity and trust are huge things with bitcoin in case you haven't noticed and I fall on the side of personal freedom.  That includes freedom to do what I want with my money without the government or anyone else knowing.  Even, and especially if, I'm not doing anything illegal!!

[XinXan]

Somebody spamming Bitcoin is dead in speculation from a different account everytime they get banned would only prove my point. Fix the ban evasion issue and you won't have to manually delete nonsense like that.

It's impossible to fix ban evasion, even If someone came up with an idea to limit an user to make more than 1 account you can still buy accounts from other peope, it's simply impossible and you know it. Stop trolling.

[TheGr33k]

Somebody spamming Bitcoin is dead in speculation from a different account everytime they get banned would only prove my point. Fix the ban evasion issue and you won't have to manually delete nonsense like that.

They are getting nuked immediately by a bot. No one is manually deleting them.

There is nothing that can be done about it. You can't "fix ban evasion" for this since the guy posting is probably a bot which is using a proxy and constantly changing its ip address. There is nothing other than the account's first post that indicates that it is ban evading. You literally cannot ban them for ban evading if they haven't posted anything yet.

If you say that this can be fixed, then please, tell us.

I just said how it can be fixed. Signing up with legal names which is what my business partner's forum will do along with SSN to identify who you are, and matching the number with the name. If it doesn't match then it's a fake account/spam account/ban evader that automatically cannot sign up.

[TheGr33k]

Also @The Pharmacist, its not like the founder of Technacoin would allow the government to steal your hard earnings on the new forum he's making. He just requires some small information to keep tabs on users to prevent malicious activity. He won't share your information to the public. It's for his eyes only. 100% confidentiality assured. It was his idea and I work for him so I gotta stick with him. With the new forum, he isn't even looking for users to pay to use it unless they want special features include.

I don't trust that, sir.  Anonymity and trust are huge things with bitcoin in case you haven't noticed and I fall on the side of personal freedom.  That includes freedom to do what I want with my money without the government or anyone else knowing.  Even, and especially if, I'm not doing anything illegal!!

If anonymity was such a huge thing, how come people doxx people and the moderators sit back and allow it? Bitcoin is not anonymous.

[achow101]

If anonymity was such a huge thing, how come people doxx people and the moderators sit back and allow it? Bitcoin is not anonymous.

Bitcoin is not anonymous, it is pseudonymous. This forum is the same, and if you have made it possible to link your forum pseudonym to your real identity, then that is your own fault. When people dox each other, they are using publicly available information, you would be able to find the exact same information if you actually spent time to look for it.

[Xian01]

Why isn't OP banned yet ? This clearly is not the forum for delicate snowflakes, and OP is super "special".

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Also @The Pharmacist, its not like the founder of Technacoin would allow the government to steal your hard earnings on the new forum he's making. He just requires some small information to keep tabs on users to prevent malicious activity. He won't share your information to the public. It's for his eyes only. 100% confidentiality assured. It was his idea and I work for him so I gotta stick with him. With the new forum, he isn't even looking for users to pay to use it unless they want special features include.

I don't trust that, sir.  Anonymity and trust are huge things with bitcoin in case you haven't noticed and I fall on the side of personal freedom.  That includes freedom to do what I want with my money without the government or anyone else knowing.  Even, and especially if, I'm not doing anything illegal!!

If anonymity was such a huge thing, how come people doxx people and the moderators sit back and allow it? Bitcoin is not anonymous.

Greek, please.  I know you can see the difference between doxxing scammers and actually requiring people to cough up that info when they register on a forum.  SS# should not be readily available to admins or anyone.  What other forum does that??

[achow101]

Also @The Pharmacist, its not like the founder of Technacoin would allow the government to steal your hard earnings on the new forum he's making. He just requires some small information to keep tabs on users to prevent malicious activity. He won't share your information to the public. It's for his eyes only. 100% confidentiality assured. It was his idea and I work for him so I gotta stick with him. With the new forum, he isn't even looking for users to pay to use it unless they want special features include.

I don't trust that, sir.  Anonymity and trust are huge things with bitcoin in case you haven't noticed and I fall on the side of personal freedom.  That includes freedom to do what I want with my money without the government or anyone else knowing.  Even, and especially if, I'm not doing anything illegal!!

If anonymity was such a huge thing, how come people doxx people and the moderators sit back and allow it? Bitcoin is not anonymous.

Greek, please.  I know you can see the difference between doxxing scammers and actually requiring people to cough up that info when they register on a forum.  SS# should not be readily available to admins or anyone.  What other forum does that??

The forum that the technacoin guy is making will do that, which is really a bad and stupid idea.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Also @The Pharmacist, its not like the founder of Technacoin would allow the government to steal your hard earnings on the new forum he's making. He just requires some small information to keep tabs on users to prevent malicious activity. He won't share your information to the public. It's for his eyes only. 100% confidentiality assured. It was his idea and I work for him so I gotta stick with him. With the new forum, he isn't even looking for users to pay to use it unless they want special features include.

I don't trust that, sir.  Anonymity and trust are huge things with bitcoin in case you haven't noticed and I fall on the side of personal freedom.  That includes freedom to do what I want with my money without the government or anyone else knowing.  Even, and especially if, I'm not doing anything illegal!!

If anonymity was such a huge thing, how come people doxx people and the moderators sit back and allow it? Bitcoin is not anonymous.

Greek, please.  I know you can see the difference between doxxing scammers and actually requiring people to cough up that info when they register on a forum.  SS# should not be readily available to admins or anyone.  What other forum does that??

The forum that the technacoin guy is making will do that, which is really a bad and stupid idea.

Yes, I totally agree and I was asking if this sort of bullshittery had a precedent.  I've never heard of a forum requiring you to give them your SS#.  I'm going to make a wild prediction and say that this isn't going to be a popular forum.

[TheGr33k]

If anonymity was such a huge thing, how come people doxx people and the moderators sit back and allow it? Bitcoin is not anonymous.

Bitcoin is not anonymous, it is pseudonymous. This forum is the same, and if you have made it possible to link your forum pseudonym to your real identity, then that is your own fault. When people dox each other, they are using publicly available information, you would be able to find the exact same information if you actually spent time to look for it.

Then you might as well not doxx people if others can already view it as it is spam.

[TheGr33k]

Also @The Pharmacist, its not like the founder of Technacoin would allow the government to steal your hard earnings on the new forum he's making. He just requires some small information to keep tabs on users to prevent malicious activity. He won't share your information to the public. It's for his eyes only. 100% confidentiality assured. It was his idea and I work for him so I gotta stick with him. With the new forum, he isn't even looking for users to pay to use it unless they want special features include.

I don't trust that, sir.  Anonymity and trust are huge things with bitcoin in case you haven't noticed and I fall on the side of personal freedom.  That includes freedom to do what I want with my money without the government or anyone else knowing.  Even, and especially if, I'm not doing anything illegal!!

If anonymity was such a huge thing, how come people doxx people and the moderators sit back and allow it? Bitcoin is not anonymous.

Greek, please.  I know you can see the difference between doxxing scammers and actually requiring people to cough up that info when they register on a forum.  SS# should not be readily available to admins or anyone.  What other forum does that??

The forum that the technacoin guy is making will do that, which is really a bad and stupid idea.

That's your opinion.

[TheGr33k]

Also @The Pharmacist, its not like the founder of Technacoin would allow the government to steal your hard earnings on the new forum he's making. He just requires some small information to keep tabs on users to prevent malicious activity. He won't share your information to the public. It's for his eyes only. 100% confidentiality assured. It was his idea and I work for him so I gotta stick with him. With the new forum, he isn't even looking for users to pay to use it unless they want special features include.

I don't trust that, sir.  Anonymity and trust are huge things with bitcoin in case you haven't noticed and I fall on the side of personal freedom.  That includes freedom to do what I want with my money without the government or anyone else knowing.  Even, and especially if, I'm not doing anything illegal!!

If anonymity was such a huge thing, how come people doxx people and the moderators sit back and allow it? Bitcoin is not anonymous.

Greek, please.  I know you can see the difference between doxxing scammers and actually requiring people to cough up that info when they register on a forum.  SS# should not be readily available to admins or anyone.  What other forum does that??

The forum that the technacoin guy is making will do that, which is really a bad and stupid idea.

Yes, I totally agree and I was asking if this sort of bullshittery had a precedent.  I've never heard of a forum requiring you to give them your SS#.  I'm going to make a wild prediction and say that this isn't going to be a popular forum.

A forum that deals with money is a forum that's gonna make sure money laundering isn't happening. Scams are happening left and right here. I saw a 15 year old girl posing naked for cash on another btc site and no one could confirm her age without ID. I could easily tell she was underage and nobody wanted to address the elephant in the room or care to some degree.

[TheGr33k]

No response huh? Good. My point proven. If you have nothing to hide, prove it. You have every right to stay anonymous online if you're not making money doing what you do. If you start trying to make money, we need to know who you are and that what you're doing will not harm others and isn't illegal. If you can't register that then it's clear you're hiding something from the public. What is the point of hiding if you're not a bad person? The point of this thread was aide tracked away which was fixing the ban evasion issue but there's not much you feel like doing about it. This forum will die very soon if perfect advice isn't take but it's your life. It's your forum.


Good day.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

No response huh? Good. My point proven. If you have nothing to hide, prove it. You have every right to stay anonymous online if you're not making money doing what you do. If you start trying to make money, we need to know who you are and that what you're doing will not harm others and isn't illegal. If you can't register that then it's clear you're hiding something from the public. What is the point of hiding if you're not a bad person? The point of this thread was aide tracked away which was fixing the ban evasion issue but there's not much you feel like doing about it. This forum will die very soon if perfect advice isn't take but it's your life. It's your forum.


Good day.

Okay, here's my response. How did you confirm her age if no one could confirm her age?  What you said was just so silly that I didn't feel the need to get sucked down into insanity.

[TheGr33k]

No response huh? Good. My point proven. If you have nothing to hide, prove it. You have every right to stay anonymous online if you're not making money doing what you do. If you start trying to make money, we need to know who you are and that what you're doing will not harm others and isn't illegal. If you can't register that then it's clear you're hiding something from the public. What is the point of hiding if you're not a bad person? The point of this thread was aide tracked away which was fixing the ban evasion issue but there's not much you feel like doing about it. This forum will die very soon if perfect advice isn't take but it's your life. It's your forum.


Good day.

Okay, here's my response. How did you confirm her age if no one could confirm her age?  What you said was just so silly that I didn't feel the need to get sucked down into insanity.

You can tell by the youthfulness in the face. Very obvious. If you look very young, we're gonna need some ID.

[TheGr33k]

Exactly. My point proven again. Money laundering is a serious situation and ban evasions are as well only when we know we shouldn't be seeing certain people come back. I give a solution, yet no one wants to comply because they know it'll bring their illegal activity into the limelight. This is why Bitcoin is seen as a joke. With that being said, I give up on you fools. Enjoy prison when the government eventually finds you. They always do.