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October 11, 2013, 07:18:34 PM
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Don't worry. Eventually bitcoin will be worth enough that the massive bribes necessary for easing regulation on the commodity will be affordable by the new, future exchanges.

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October 11, 2013, 08:33:55 PM
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Well, it would be great to have Ukyo online for a little Q&A, he went dark after the announcement...

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October 12, 2013, 01:58:19 AM
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Well, it would be great to have Ukyo online for a little Q&A, he went dark after the announcement...
I got some contact with UKYO. He doesn't run away or something. He is just not free to speak for l.e.g.a.l concerns. Also he is investing in several projects, which is why he couldn't redeem mass redemption request at the moment.

Personally, I believe that UKYO made a hard but brave decision to keep BF running instead of shutting it down, like burnside did. The verification process might be time-consuming and time-consuming. But it is kind of protection for the legitimate investors.
Please show your support to UKYO's effort.

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October 12, 2013, 02:11:06 AM
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Well, it would be great to have Ukyo online for a little Q&A, he went dark after the announcement...
I got some contact with UKYO. He doesn't run away or something. He is just not free to speak for l.e.g.a.l concerns. Also he is investing in several projects, which is why he couldn't redeem mass redemption request at the moment.

Personally, I believe that UKYO made a hard but brave decision to keep BF running instead of shutting it down, like burnside did. The verification process might be time-consuming and time-consuming. But it is kind of protection for the legitimate investors.
Please show your support to UKYO's effort.

Yes, actually, don't know if you can say something on this, but my question is about the verification process.

I've made many of this over the years, common practice on any money transmitter service, betting websites, poker sites, and I'm registered on a lot of these.

Usually documents needed, for proving age and residence, are national ID card and a utility bill.

Can driver's license be replaced with national ID card?

Why is there a need for a credit card? It doesn't make sense to me...

I'de like to perform my verification process as soon as possible, but my credit card and driver's license are not as "public documents" as the national ID card is...

Can you somehow obtain a clarification on this?

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October 12, 2013, 04:48:04 AM
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WeExchange needs at least 1 government issued photo id.
A seperate option for this will be added soon.

-Ukyo
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October 12, 2013, 05:22:29 AM
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WeExchange needs at least 1 government issued photo id.
A seperate option for this will be added soon.

-Ukyo
Thanks for the info Ukyo, great news.

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October 12, 2013, 05:31:21 AM
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Is indeed good news!
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October 12, 2013, 05:33:50 AM
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WeExchange needs at least 1 government issued photo id.
A seperate option for this will be added soon.

-Ukyo
good news. wish u get through the big problem asap

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October 12, 2013, 12:27:51 PM
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"Good news".. when a status update for Ukyo.Loan will be posted in "2-4 weeks", redemption requests not honored, no information on G.ASICMINER-PT or redemption, etc, etc etc.
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October 12, 2013, 05:27:17 PM
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Did anybody got verified since the shit hit the fan? Iam waiting like 3rd day and nothing. Iam sure they have nice backlog now with all trying to verify, just asking if anyone was lucky yet.
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October 12, 2013, 07:09:49 PM
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So, after the Supplemental Notice, do non-US residents have to be verified before November 1st or December 1st?

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October 12, 2013, 07:50:17 PM
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Ukyo , I need a google two factor auth reset , my phone just broke.  Embarrassed
Already sent a pm with details to you .
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October 12, 2013, 08:31:46 PM
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WeExchange needs at least 1 government issued photo id.
A seperate option for this will be added soon.

-Ukyo

Will wait for everything to be working properly then.

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October 12, 2013, 10:05:16 PM
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Well I wasn't going to get my WeExchange account verified by giving them a scan of my ID and since I have no assets there anymore it does not matter. But now I learned that it is actually illegal in the Netherlands to make copies of ID's in the Netherlands. I guess this means that Bitfunder/WeExchange would be breaking the law demanding copies of ID's from Dutch residents. IANAL.

Here is a relevant Google translated news article from the Dutch news site Nu.nl, dated July 12, 2012:

CBP indicates prohibition copy passport
THE HAGUE - The Dutch Data Protection Authority (CBP) finds it necessary to point out that it is not permitted to make copies of passports people.

Companies like gyms, hotels and telecom providers should therefore quit.

CBP many questions on this topic. To participate ambiguity has prepared a guideline on what is and is not allowed under the Personal Data Protection Act.

In itself may be asking governments and companies to demonstrate thereby that it is the right person. Certainly an identity

"In addition, some data could in some cases be taken," said board member Wilbert Tomesen opposite NU.nl. "But that does not mean you should make a copy."

Exception

"The line is to make a copy of an identity card is not allowed, unless there is an exceptional situation," says Tomesen. This can be done in the event that the legislature required, such as when closing a bank account or to register employees in a company.

"It is important that we carefully handle the paper and scanned impact of the personal."

Race data

A passport and identity card is a picture and that is racial information. Which can not simply be processed. Also the Citizen Service Number (BSN) that the credentials state is something that many companies may not possess.

Tomesen: "Making a copy should not and yet we are to bandied confronted Telephone companies, travel agencies, sports clubs, hotels do, but there is no legal basis for it." Sighs Tomesen. "It is my picture, it's me who is somewhere in a paper copy somewhere in a hotel, because I have ever slept. Then I have no control over."

Identity Theft

CBP warns that issue the copy is not without risk, because they can be used for identity theft. Misused data

It is not impossible that data is stolen, evident from the large amounts of data leaks.

In January, someone broke into the systems of KPN, which a hacker managed to penetrate the enterprise telecom. Wednesday showed that a hacker is held through the website of singer Frans Bauer could come. Upon data from various phone companies

Nevertheless store

Although it should not, make telecom companies Vodafone, T-Mobile and KPN a copy of an identity card for their records. According to KPN is required to identify and the copy retained as long as necessary for contract customers.

Or KPN says it makes the BSN number automatically unreadable. Also, Vodafone and T-Mobile have asked for explanations, but they need to explain why credentials are stored. Significantly more time

Intervene

Tomesen says that CBP is not directly intend to intervene. The guideline is published in the Official Gazette and forms the basis for CBP for future monitoring and possible enforcement.

But the board member shall not going to be to ignore violations. "It wrongly requirements of copies of identity is high on our priority list." He emphasized that CBP will be maintained, but no organization "on the grain" has.

A spokesman for Vodafone will be copied to subsequent discussion to perform. About subscribing the identity Also, the copy according to the company so that employees need to check whether they are dealing with the right person.

By: NU.nl / Brenno de Winter

Google translation from: http://www.nu.nl/binnenland/2857106/cbp-wijst-verbod-kopieren-paspoort.html
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October 12, 2013, 10:42:05 PM
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^^

This ...

what possible guarantee is there that weexchange won't just hop onto the black market and sell all of your details to the highest bidder?

I mean seriously you guys need to get a grip, send in copies of my passport, drivers licence, and a credit card ... NO THANKS  

change tack now or loose all your customers.  



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October 12, 2013, 10:54:56 PM
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I mean seriously you guys need to get a grip, send in copies of my passport, drivers licence, and a credit card ... NO THANKS 


But you have no problem sending your bitcoins there? Think about it...
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October 12, 2013, 10:56:58 PM
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I mean seriously you guys need to get a grip, send in copies of my passport, drivers licence, and a credit card ... NO THANKS 


But you have no problem sending your bitcoins there? Think about it...

But I value my identity way more than a few bitcoins.  Wink
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October 13, 2013, 02:57:37 AM
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For the credit card as form of id do you think they will do a pre-authorization on to it make sure it is legit? I guess they would have to otherwise it would be pointless. 

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October 13, 2013, 03:16:54 AM
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http://bitbet.us/bet/554/bitfunder-will-close-before-july-of-2014/

Bet: BitFunder will close before July of 2014 -

The bet resolves as YES if BitFunder discontinues operation (stops allowing signup for new members altogether and/or disables BTC withdrawal either explicitly or as sufficiently reported by at least five community members) before July 1st 2014


QG

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October 13, 2013, 04:50:37 AM
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WeExchange needs at least 1 government issued photo id.
A seperate option for this will be added soon.

-Ukyo

I submitted my scanned driver license, utility bill and Goverment ID in one scanned image, after 4 days and I got a message in Driver license "Failed Verification   Wrong documentation type"

Anyway, I cropped it and resubmit.  Please review and the rest of my submission (driver license, passport, utility bill).

Account joele

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