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March 31, 2015, 11:49:43 AM
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Here are a few of the larger and more well known establishments that all accept bitcoins as payment:

Overstock.com
NewEgg.com
TigerDirect.com
Dell.com
Expedia.com
Chicago Sun-Times
Several Chicago area Pizza Restaurants (Rosati’s, Papa Saverio’s, Tomato’s, Taylor Street, etc)
Dish Satellite TV
The Sacramento Kings
The San Jose Earthquakes
“The D” Hotel in Las Vegas
“Golden Gate” Hotel in Las Vegas
Microsoft Gaming
Gyft
Big Fish Games
The United Way
1800Flowers.com
Reddit
Braintree (A PayPal Company)
Reeds Jewelers

Take a look at coin map.org to find over 2,000 "brick & mortar” locations in North America that all accept bitcoins as payment for products or services.

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March 31, 2015, 11:54:07 AM
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We could simply end the discussion with this logic.


Ask anybody that oppose bitcoin and claim it can only be used for illegal stuff the following question:

"Fiat cash, is it only used for illegal purposes?"

When they answer no, then respond:

"Bitcoin is the equivalent of cash, only in an online form, do you still think it is only used for illegal means?"

The truth is that as a technology, the blockchain and bitcoin is neutral. The fact that some use it for illegal purposes does not make it evil.

By using that argument, by extension you should also ban cellphones, highways and the internet itself. If it was not for roads, crime would effectively be stopped, right? No drug smugglers from mexico, no rapists, no nothing!

Also keep in mind that bitcoin will be huge for remittance, and already is being used for this. I think trying to convince somebody that bitcoin is not a bad technology speaks more about the lack of intelligence of the person opposing it for those reasons than anything else.

Now, for any govt. department, there's always the official stance, and we must also realize that even if bitcoin is neutral, there will be vested interests that wil claim it is not, but surely, it could be worth presenting evidence to the contrary, if it will be listened to is another matter entirely.

You could also make a case for all the VC money that goes into bitcoin. This is done by legitimate investors, in legitimate companies.
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March 31, 2015, 02:14:55 PM
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The mere fact that the US federal government has sold Bitcoin to the public should be enough of an example to any government official - if investing in BTC was illegal then why would the US Marshals not confiscate BTC and destroy them?

http://www.coindesk.com/us-marshals-auction-50000-bitcoins-march/

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April 02, 2015, 07:35:46 PM
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sorry to hear all this Jean.  I contributed to the piggy bank fund.
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Thank you for helping our daughter.  She truly has been traumatized by this.  Cheers, Jean
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April 02, 2015, 07:41:50 PM
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Hi Jean, nice to see you here... I too contributed to the piggybank fund, hopefully we'll get it to $600 worth of BTC for Zoe

Thanks for contributing to our daughter's fund.  She was hoping to use the money for rock climbing camp this summer.

Thanks, Jean
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April 02, 2015, 07:49:02 PM
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I appreciate all of you taking the time to help me out.

Whenever I post on Bitcointalk.org, the federal authorities that are spying on the Bitcoin world report back to AUSA Korver and my husband's attorney gets an earful, so I won't be posting for the time being.

Thanks, Jean
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April 02, 2015, 07:53:20 PM
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I am so glad, I do not live in the USA.

They talk about the land of the free....  but the country are like a huge police state. How is it legal for their government to sell Bitcoins, but the citizens are arrested, when they do the same thing?

Yes, they should be regulated and they should have permission, but arresting them like criminals for buying and selling Bitcoins are very extreme.

A year or two from now, when mass adoption around the world takes place, we will look back at this and laugh at this scenario. Burt will be filthy rich, when he takes this to court and sue their ass.

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April 02, 2015, 08:23:02 PM
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I'm really sorry that this happened to you and your family. You have my deepest sympathy. I'm not sure there is anything you could say to or show a government official to change the situation. There are many legitimate uses for Bitcoin as you can see from all of the great examples given but ever since the Liberty Reserve takedown the U.S. Government seems to have the single minded goal of ending the private use of Bitcoin. I appreciate that you want to do as much for yourself and your family as possible but you need to get a very, very good criminal attorney as soon as possible to do this stuff for you. I won't even trade Bitcoin at licensed exchanges like Coinbase anymore because of the way the government is over reacting.

Richard Weber, head of the U.S. Internal Revenue Service criminal investigation unit, said about cryptocurrency, "If Al Capone were alive today, this is how he would be hiding his money".

Preet Bharara, a US prosecutor that was responsible for putting Charlie Schrem in jail, believes Bitcoin has been linked to crimes including credit card fraud, identity theft, investment fraud, computer hacking, child pornography and narcotics trafficking. He's making it his goal to stop Bitcoin trading.

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April 02, 2015, 09:22:45 PM
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I am so glad, I do not live in the USA.


You don't realise how foreign it is until you go there and spend some serious time. I loved wandering around. I loved coming back to knackered old commie Europe too.

There could've been a case for overt dodginess in 2010. Now anyone trying to paint it as evil incarnate looks like a fool after two seconds of googling.

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April 03, 2015, 12:55:29 AM
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With this bump, I want to thank those who've heeded Jean's request(s) via posting in this thread.
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April 03, 2015, 05:27:03 AM
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Selling aircraft carriers for example. [Dark Gov't]
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July 15, 2015, 04:02:46 AM
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On July 13, 2015, the federal case against Burt was dismissed at the request of the Department of Justice.  Unfortunately the debt incurred to fight the spurious charge and the damage done to Burt's reputation remains.  Thank you to those who have supported our family during this difficult time.  
-- Jean
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December 30, 2015, 01:05:25 PM
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"Equitable Sharing" program ended.  Very good news:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1004863.msg13399046#msg13399046

Our family was terrorized by Homeland Security.  Read all about it here:  http://www.jmwagner.com/ and http://www.burtw.com/  Any donations to help us recover from the $300,000 in legal fees and forced donations to the Federal Asset Forfeiture slush fund are greatly appreciated!
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December 30, 2015, 02:04:14 PM
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Sounds like a trumped up charge for the local police to grab some money. Doesn't the US realise that actions like this just push the industry into more favourable countries. They are losing so much influence in the world, and they are going the right way to lose any control or influence in banking.

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