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June 14, 2024, 12:48:47 PM
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So, try to solve, any of this low bits puzzle, 66,67,68 ... is useless, cause there are many bots watching this addresses for their public key right?

If so, why still people discussing about it anyway?
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June 14, 2024, 12:57:32 PM
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To steal something implies that there was a legitimate owner of that something. Be it a physical thing or intellectual property.

I disagree with your reasoning.

We are not talking about ownership or rights to numbers, but to the right to get a reward for the time spent and the result with the technology used. if someone has spent time, money to look for the private key, and you want to use this information (because the transfer will reveal the public key, thus you have the possibility of RBF, and you are only waiting for this public key, not looking for the solution to the puzzle itself) then it is not ethical.

It can be compared to cheating on an exam.
This sounds extremely hypocritical.

Let's say we have two persons, Alice and Bob.
Then someone gives them an exercise:
A. find the solution of this problem:
  Given A as a hash of a hash of an EC point coordinate of some hidden number H between 0 and 2**65, find H
OR
B. find the solution of this problem:
  Given a point P of some hidden number H between 0 and 2**129, find H.

Now, if Alice and Bob are in their right minds, they would ask: why the hell would I even try either of these?
The Professor would reply:
"Well, if either of you solves A, they can use it to open this treasure chest of 6.6 BTC. If either of you solves B, you can use it to open this treasure chest of 13 BTC. Both of you can try to solve any of the two problems."

Well then, Alice and Bob can now compete to solve A, B, or both. This is not an exam for each of them to work on different problems. They are both motivated ONLY by the fact there is a possibility of a reward.

Now, Alice and Bob both need to invest resources (time, energy, intelligence, frustration) to solve either A or B.

The professor doesn't give a crap about how Alice or Bob reach the solution of either problem. Because the only thing that matters is: can they do it or not?

Now, it all boils down to Alice and Bob. Let's say Alice thinks problem A is more attractive because it sounds easier to solve.
Is that true? Well, this only depends on what Alice thinks. Alice now quits her day job to focus on problem A, gets a loan from the bank to buy computing power, and makes a big dashboard about all the predictions on how much time it will take her to find H of problem A. Total effort made by Alice is only motivated by the dream of a reward.

Bob doesn't care much about the problem, but he reads it more carefully. He observes that problem B is a subset of problem A.
So he generalizes a bit: hmmm, so if there's some strategy to solve B in a general case, can we apply it to A? He goes to the library and learns that problem B is actually solvable in ~2**65 steps, not ~2**129.
So he looks at problem A and asserts: if we would have knowledge of that point, then problem A is solvable in ~2**32 steps.

So Alice (if aware of Bob's observation, which is now published in all newspapers and seen on TV) has a choice to make:
- does she keep looking for H, knowing that its P point will be seen by everyone and is solvable in 2**32 steps?
- accepts her losses so far and calls it a day, shuts down the servers, goes back to the drawing board.

See, neither of them would really even deserve a reward to begin with:
- Alice was ignorant to the definition of the problem; she is trying to buy the solution for some ROI profit;
- Bob really doesn't even care of problem A, he just waits to see if problem A was reduced to having the point P.

Where is Bob unethical in all of this? Bob does not know or care what Alice is doing with her time, efforts, or money.

Bob is not stealing anything, he is simply also solving problem A in a very legitimate way.

Alice and Bob are both motivated only by the reward. Neither of them is trying to revolutionize anything here, because problem A is simple to solve once P is known, but while Alice is brute-forcing her way, Bob is patient.

Now, I think the difference between Alice and Bob is easy to understand.

If there was NO REWARD to solve problem A, it is clear that neither Alice or Bob would even bother.
So why would Alice get upset when Bob (or Eve, or whoever) solves the problem before they do?
Why would Alice's community (thousands of people all trying to do the same thing as Alice) not argue that each of them deserves the reward? Who exactly deserves the prize? Why would it have to be the first person who accidentally stumbles upon it? After so many CPU lightyears of invested work, billions of dollars spent, all of the quit jobs, loans, etc?

See where the hypocrisy really is in all of this. Everyone thinks they deserve something simply because they invested in something that was a stupid idea to begin with.

If Alice was smart, then Bob would still have the same exact strategy. Alice would do the same thing as Bob does. Which in the end would simply mean that everyone is not actually brute-forcing anything, resulting of an infinite wait for the public key by everyone; but which is all worth it because the effort to do this is close to zero, not an enormous amount of effort. But who am I to count the total amount of IQ of whoever wants to be Alice?

what is this description supposed to show? your story flattens the example we are discussing.
it's simple - without a private key and next - transaction in mempool that reveals the public key your "Bob" will only be able to scratch his balls, because his solution consists only of over using the BIP125... and if this transaction shows up - then Bob will be surprised because he will only see massive fee bidding
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June 14, 2024, 01:06:33 PM
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what is this description supposed to show? your story flattens the example we are discussing.
it's simple - without a private key and next - transaction in mempool that reveals the public key your "Bob" will only be able to scratch his balls, because his solution consists only of over using the BIP125... and if this transaction shows up - then Bob will be surprised because he will only see massive fee bidding
Bob can happily scratch his balls because he had NOTHING to lose, so nothing to cry over.

Bob wouldn't care at all if he gets even 1 satoshi out of the reward, because his costs were basically zero.

If we would all be rational and the word "hope" would be irrelevant for our species, nobody would even bother to run bots, because everyone would know there is nothing to win here. This information is known to everyone, it really depends what you are going to do about it, this is what makes the difference.

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June 14, 2024, 01:11:59 PM
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If so, why still people discussing about it anyway?

The reasons people continue to engage in these activities are varied. They range from the intellectual challenge and community interaction to potential rewards and pure enjoyment. It’s much like any hobby where the journey and engagement often matter as much as, if not more than, the destination, including for those with mental health issues.

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June 14, 2024, 01:20:39 PM
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If so, why still people discussing about it anyway?

The reasons people continue to engage in these activities are varied. They range from the intellectual challenge and community interaction to potential rewards and pure enjoyment. It’s much like any hobby where the journey and engagement often matter as much as, if not more than, the destination, including for those with mental health issues.

Why they didn't crack public key from puzzle 64?
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June 14, 2024, 02:48:30 PM
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If so, why still people discussing about it anyway?

The reasons people continue to engage in these activities are varied. They range from the intellectual challenge and community interaction to potential rewards and pure enjoyment. It’s much like any hobby where the journey and engagement often matter as much as, if not more than, the destination, including for those with mental health issues.

Why they didn't crack public key from puzzle 64?
because it doesn't work and people panic here
the bot won't steal anything from you because when the 66 address is solved in a hundred years, only skeletons will remain of the bots XD
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June 14, 2024, 05:25:55 PM
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If so, why still people discussing about it anyway?

The reasons people continue to engage in these activities are varied. They range from the intellectual challenge and community interaction to potential rewards and pure enjoyment. It’s much like any hobby where the journey and engagement often matter as much as, if not more than, the destination, including for those with mental health issues.

Why they didn't crack public key from puzzle 64?
because it doesn't work and people panic here
the bot won't steal anything from you because when the 66 address is solved in a hundred years, only skeletons will remain of the bots XD

So you claim that RBF does not work?
To experimentally prove that Replace-by-Fee (RBF) works for Bitcoin (BTC) you can follow these steps:

Ensure you have access to a Bitcoin wallet that supports RBF.

Acquire a small amount of Bitcoin for the experiment.

Using the same Bitcoin wallet, create a new transaction with a higher fee that replaces the original one. This involves using the RBF feature to broadcast the same transaction with a higher fee.

BTC: bc1qdwnxr7s08xwelpjy3cc52rrxg63xsmagv50fa8
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June 15, 2024, 08:44:56 AM
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What are the tax implications of this in the US, I am assuming it would be not taxable unless you sell because when you find a privkey you technically now own that wallet so when you send it to another of your wallets that would be considered transferring between wallets you own which according to coinbase is not a taxable event and if you sell I am guessing it would be considered as regular income.
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June 15, 2024, 03:49:48 PM
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I think this puzzle thing has stalled, the creator should release all the remaining public keys if he really wants to test the robustness of bitcoin, here only sha256 and ripemd-160 are being tested at this point
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June 15, 2024, 07:59:48 PM
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What are the tax implications of this in the US, I am assuming it would be not taxable unless you sell because when you find a privkey you technically now own that wallet so when you send it to another of your wallets that would be considered transferring between wallets you own which according to coinbase is not a taxable event and if you sell I am guessing it would be considered as regular income.

I will go to Malta if i hit #130. All I need is a suitcase with a lock. Grin

I think this puzzle thing has stalled, the creator should release all the remaining public keys if he really wants to test the robustness of bitcoin, here only sha256 and ripemd-160 are being tested at this point

He can give out all public keys from 130 to 160, and nothing will happen.

This clearly illustrates how ridiculous these numbers are.

Let's consider how many Kangaroo hops are needed to hit 130...

Code:
from math import log2, sqrt

# Given puzzle number
puzzle = 130

# Calculate the expected hops
expected_hops = 2.2 * sqrt(2 ** (puzzle - 1))  # 2.2 * sqrt(2^(puzzle-1))
expected_hops_log2 = log2(expected_hops)

# Print the result
print(f"[+] [Expected Hops: 2^{expected_hops_log2:.2f} ({int(expected_hops)})]")

Expected Hops: 2^65.64 (57392798431464251392)

I  would need approximately 95,654,664,052,440,418 hops per second to generate 57,392,798,431,464,251,392 hops
in 10 minutes. There's no SHA-256 and RIPEMD-160 hashing for Kangaroo, just plain point addition as fast as possible.

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June 16, 2024, 03:36:55 PM
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Let's consider how many Kangaroo hops are needed to hit 130...

Code:
from math import log2, sqrt

# Given puzzle number
puzzle = 130

# Calculate the expected hops
expected_hops = 2.2 * sqrt(2 ** (puzzle - 1))  # 2.2 * sqrt(2^(puzzle-1))
expected_hops_log2 = log2(expected_hops)

# Print the result
print(f"[+] [Expected Hops: 2^{expected_hops_log2:.2f} ({int(expected_hops)})]")

Expected Hops: 2^65.64 (57392798431464251392)

I  would need approximately 95,654,664,052,440,418 hops per second to generate 57,392,798,431,464,251,392 hops
in 10 minutes. There's no SHA-256 and RIPEMD-160 hashing for Kangaroo, just plain point addition as fast as possible.

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The thing with Kangaroo is that those numbers are the total wild x tames total jumps. So your calculations assume you start off from a clean slate.

What's great is that we'll soon have massive distributed computing capacity, so if careful planning and optimizations are in place, those numbers are within reach.

The classical point jumping strategy (batch a few hundred, run some jumps) is not very efficient on a GPU, unfortunately. It starts to run way faster when everything runs off the registers, and the batching is actually hurting the performance (even if the common thinking would be that the single inverse should compensate - it doesn't). For a CPU, the opposite strategy is the winning one, within the L1/L2 cache limits. This shows the conceptual differences that need to be accounted for when some algorithm is ported over from serial to parallel computation.

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June 16, 2024, 05:24:01 PM
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What's great is that we'll soon have massive distributed computing capacity, so if careful planning and optimizations are in place, those numbers are within reach.

This cannot be done alone at home on a PC in the garage. Let's be realistic: it takes at least 5 BTC to invest in an attempt to get 13 BTC. This is not a puzzle; this is a big money gamble.

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June 16, 2024, 07:46:10 PM
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What's great is that we'll soon have massive distributed computing capacity, so if careful planning and optimizations are in place, those numbers are within reach.

This cannot be done alone at home on a PC in the garage. Let's be realistic: it takes at least 5 BTC to invest in an attempt to get 13 BTC. This is not a puzzle; this is a big money gamble.

You are absolutely right.
Even if you had a scanning speed of 1 Million YOTTAKEY (1000000x 10**24) per second, it would take 20 years to scan puzzle 130 completely.
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June 17, 2024, 12:11:26 AM
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What's great is that we'll soon have massive distributed computing capacity, so if careful planning and optimizations are in place, those numbers are within reach.

This cannot be done alone at home on a PC in the garage. Let's be realistic: it takes at least 5 BTC to invest in an attempt to get 13 BTC. This is not a puzzle; this is a big money gamble.
Right, but technology develops vertically and once in a while horizontally as well. Yes, today the cost to break 130 is something like a few hundred top-end GPUs and a year of computation. But with tomorrow's hardware, the wall gets shorter, and then shorter again, etc. At some point the risk is worth it. Of course, there's always the chance the magic horoscope circle was correct. Until that point, I guess it's worth it to analyze all options, without going mad about it. I think it makes sense to try to squeeze out as much efficiency as possible with what we know and have today. So if some implementation can be speed up by 100%, the cost goes to half, or the time goes to half, both on current or future hardware. When scaled, these add up significantly.

A "garage" computer can run circles around the highest-end GPU, if it does things in a manner that solves a specific problem. If we ask Nvidia to make a chip that handles secp256k1 field arithmetic in HW, instead of non-sense AI silicon, anyone would solve 130 in a week.

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......anyone would solve 130 in a week.


This doesn't apply to just anyone. If any of us had around 2000 high-end GPUs, we wouldn't be chatting on this forum; we'd be at a Bitcoin rooftop party in Dubai with davincij15 and mmcrypto.  Grin  

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June 17, 2024, 11:50:46 AM
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If so, why still people discussing about it anyway?

The reasons people continue to engage in these activities are varied. They range from the intellectual challenge and community interaction to potential rewards and pure enjoyment. It’s much like any hobby where the journey and engagement often matter as much as, if not more than, the destination, including for those with mental health issues.

Why they didn't crack public key from puzzle 64?
because it doesn't work and people panic here
the bot won't steal anything from you because when the 66 address is solved in a hundred years, only skeletons will remain of the bots XD

So you claim that RBF does not work?
To experimentally prove that Replace-by-Fee (RBF) works for Bitcoin (BTC) you can follow these steps:

Ensure you have access to a Bitcoin wallet that supports RBF.

Acquire a small amount of Bitcoin for the experiment.

Using the same Bitcoin wallet, create a new transaction with a higher fee that replaces the original one. This involves using the RBF feature to broadcast the same transaction with a higher fee.


So, let's try if it really works..

Address: 18bHfcm8kGoAhBaQXzzVcG5534mdpWK981
PubKey: 026555030ac562aed59b3ecd47e250e555ca59eb31f6d0a03b36ba4f6b9c5a073c
Start: C0DE000000000000000000000000000000000000000000003000000000000000
End: C0DE000000000000000000000000000000000000000000003fffffffffffffff

Can you get that private key?
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June 17, 2024, 01:06:54 PM
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what is the ethereum equivalent for the address 13zb1hQbWVsc2S7ZTZnP2G4undNNpdh5so
I would like to know if there are ethereum coins for this address

https://privatekeys.pw/address/bitcoin/13zb1hQbWVsc2S7ZTZnP2G4undNNpdh5so
all this is connected to the 66 puzzle address, the one who solves the 66 address should take it all at once, what programs are needed for this
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Address: 18bHfcm8kGoAhBaQXzzVcG5534mdpWK981
PubKey: 026555030ac562aed59b3ecd47e250e555ca59eb31f6d0a03b36ba4f6b9c5a073c
Start: C0DE000000000000000000000000000000000000000000003000000000000000
End: C0DE000000000000000000000000000000000000000000003fffffffffffffff

Can you get that private key?

0xC0DE00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000327EF00CB359064B

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June 17, 2024, 02:31:20 PM
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Address: 18bHfcm8kGoAhBaQXzzVcG5534mdpWK981
PubKey: 026555030ac562aed59b3ecd47e250e555ca59eb31f6d0a03b36ba4f6b9c5a073c
Start: C0DE000000000000000000000000000000000000000000003000000000000000
End: C0DE000000000000000000000000000000000000000000003fffffffffffffff

Can you get that private key?

0xC0DE00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000327EF00CB359064B


How long it takes?
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June 17, 2024, 02:38:31 PM
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If so, why still people discussing about it anyway?

The reasons people continue to engage in these activities are varied. They range from the intellectual challenge and community interaction to potential rewards and pure enjoyment. It’s much like any hobby where the journey and engagement often matter as much as, if not more than, the destination, including for those with mental health issues.

Why they didn't crack public key from puzzle 64?
because it doesn't work and people panic here
the bot won't steal anything from you because when the 66 address is solved in a hundred years, only skeletons will remain of the bots XD

So you claim that RBF does not work?
To experimentally prove that Replace-by-Fee (RBF) works for Bitcoin (BTC) you can follow these steps:

Ensure you have access to a Bitcoin wallet that supports RBF.

Acquire a small amount of Bitcoin for the experiment.

Using the same Bitcoin wallet, create a new transaction with a higher fee that replaces the original one. This involves using the RBF feature to broadcast the same transaction with a higher fee.


So, let's try if it really works..

Address: 18bHfcm8kGoAhBaQXzzVcG5534mdpWK981
PubKey: 026555030ac562aed59b3ecd47e250e555ca59eb31f6d0a03b36ba4f6b9c5a073c
Start: C0DE000000000000000000000000000000000000000000003000000000000000
End: C0DE000000000000000000000000000000000000000000003fffffffffffffff

Can you get that private key?

Nope. It is not 66bit range

python3 puzzle_bot.py
  • Version 0.2.230519 Satoshi Quest, developed by AlbertoBSD
  • Endomorphism enabled
  • Threads : 12
  • Search compress only
  • Quiet thread output
  • K factor 4096
  • Mode BSGS sequential
  • Opening file 66.txt
  • Added 1 points from file
  • Bit Range 66
  • -- from : 0x20000000000000000
  • -- to   : 0x40000000000000000
  • N = 0x100000000000
  • Bloom filter for 17179869184 elements : 58890.60 MB
  • Bloom filter for 536870912 elements : 1840.33 MB
  • Bloom filter for 16777216 elements : 57.51 MB
  • Allocating 256.00 MB for 16777216 bP Points
  • Reading bloom filter from file keyhunt_bsgs_4_17179869184.blm .... Done!   
  • Reading bloom filter from file keyhunt_bsgs_6_536870912.blm .... Done!
  • Reading bP Table from file keyhunt_bsgs_2_16777216.tbl .... Done!
  • Reading bloom filter from file keyhunt_bsgs_7_16777216.blm .... Done!
  • Total 134013403005431316480 keys in 30 seconds: ~4 Ekeys/s (4467113433514377216 keys/s)
End


Two points:

1 - So it only works to 66bit? And about puzzles 67,68,69 .... ?

2 - kTimesG did it!

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