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December 31, 2015, 01:17:28 AM
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Price of import = sale price of items (or fair value) + shipping ACTUAL cost. The amount you were charged for shipping was possibly less than it actually cost to ship, meaning the declared value comes out higher. + exchange variations.
That's a lie. You are to be charged on the value you PAID for. You cannot be taxed anywhere in the world for something you didn't pay, regardless of the company eating the shipping price or not.

Of course you do, just as I have to pay import duties on both a review unit's value and shipping cost, even though I paid for neither.

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December 31, 2015, 02:51:20 AM
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Price of import = sale price of items (or fair value) + shipping ACTUAL cost. The amount you were charged for shipping was possibly less than it actually cost to ship, meaning the declared value comes out higher. + exchange variations.
That's a lie. You are to be charged on the value you PAID for. You cannot be taxed anywhere in the world for something you didn't pay, regardless of the company eating the shipping price or not. And Bitmain doesn't decrease the actual shipping price. If anything they increase it.

Well, they don't steal anything, they don't get anything more from this, so yeah they often mess up the value on things, i'm not sure why, but its a pain to deal with the rectifying the price declared.
They get 17% from chinese government out of everything they export, or what they say they do.

I,m pretty sure taxes work the other way around. The more money they get from people, the more tax they need to pay, which would translate into being a income loss if you declare higher gain than you did gain and better gain if you declare same or less than what you gained.

Maybe China works differently than what i can imagine.

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December 31, 2015, 02:56:24 AM
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they just don't care!!! simple as that!

before they were a bit more flexible with the VAT, now they prefer to just make fun of clients!

What do you mean flexible on VAT?  Are you talking like lower price listed or different category?   

Or I could be reading wrong into it.   Just was not sure what you meant on it.
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December 31, 2015, 07:39:31 AM
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for my English I help with google translator, I am sorry,

I'm pissed off because I do not understand why he said more than they cost,

I get 492.75 if I order today.

so that is about 40 usd wrong.  they should give you a $50 or 75$ coupon.

but they are not a thief .

Also, shipping costs are not supposed to be included in the value of the item. You can ship a box full of rocks that is going to be worth 1cent, shipping 100$, the value to be declared is 1cent.

Still i do not understand either way, how Bitmain come up with their reported value.

USA law varies  State to State.  In New Jersey  If I sold the 3 psu's and shipped them and my out of pocket was the 492 I would have to collect sales tax and give it to the state.  sales tax is 7%  so I would charge 7% of 492 = 34.30 usd so the buyer would owe 492 + 34.30 or 536.30

This would be for a sale completely inside NJ.

Bitmain is doing a China to Italy sale..  I have no idea how they are tasked to report it.  But 492 would not be far off in some places.

So is 533 really far off Based on Chinese and Italian laws and treaties along with European vat. I do not know.

 You need someone that knows all the laws involved since I know some places take the shipping into account for tax purposes.



price 3 X psu = 420 $ + 50 $ shipping = 470$
because the declared value by bitmain and 533.94?



italia iva : 22% : 143,31 euro  -------->    = $ 156,6091
duty : 21,86 euro -------------->   =  $  23,8886
administrative rights : 12,00 euro -------------->  =  $ 13,1136
stamp : 2,00 euro ---------------->  = $  2,1856

total price : 179,17 euro -------------->   = $ 195,7969
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December 31, 2015, 07:49:07 AM
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excuse, if I paid $ 430 including shipping,
because he said 533.94?

you know that the more the price is high the more you pay customs?

but you're in love with bitmain all here?
always defend him? even with the evidence?
I like you steal

It is simply not possible., that you paid $ 430 including shipping.

PSU is with fixed  price 140 USD
Shipping is fixed   price in USD.

3x 140=420USD for 3 PSU

FEDEX shipping costs for 6,9 kg from China to Italy can not be only 10USD




3 x psu = 1.0129 btc  including shipping

1.0129 =  425 $

this is the price I paid to bitmain including shipping.

declared value of $ 533.94 bitmain
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December 31, 2015, 10:22:01 AM
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excuse, if I paid $ 430 including shipping,
because he said 533.94?

you know that the more the price is high the more you pay customs?

but you're in love with bitmain all here?
always defend him? even with the evidence?
I like you steal

It is simply not possible., that you paid $ 430 including shipping.

PSU is with fixed  price 140 USD
Shipping is fixed   price in USD.

3x 140=420USD for 3 PSU

FEDEX shipping costs for 6,9 kg from China to Italy can not be only 10USD




3 x psu = 1.0129 btc  including shipping

1.0129 =  425 $

this is the price I paid to bitmain including shipping.

declared value of $ 533.94 bitmain

Log in and try again.

3x PSU=420USD

shipping costs with FEDEX to estonia is 91 USD


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December 31, 2015, 10:53:58 AM
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APW3-12-1600-B2 1600W   140 USD   2.3 kg x 3   420 USD
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(0 BTC)   No Coupon   420 USD
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December 31, 2015, 11:15:49 AM
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I had same problem each and every time with BITMAIN

I ordered many S7 via DHL, each time they declared 100 $ more per unit on invoice !
I didn't want to try and convince my customs of the real value of units because that would mean they would have held my package in customs additional days for invetigations ( meaning I wouldn't be able to mine with them, all because of this lying company)

At first I didn't understand why they always declare more, now I understand ,they get money from their government for exporting.

This company is based on lies and decieving

I don't know why this company is such high rated when they only care about their profits even if that means lying and deciving customs/clients etc.

We should all unite and do something about this


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December 31, 2015, 11:22:03 AM
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if you want we can open a poll, and vote against their policies and send them a copy
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December 31, 2015, 11:42:54 AM
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certain that it has fancy, you ask him to bitmain to make you pay less, and instead says more, and still here on the forum I see people who defend it,
Perhaps some of these people like to pay a lot more than they cost, I certainly do not want to rub me.
and I never liked the people without balls,.
in Sicily these people are put aside, because they bring nothing but trouble
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December 31, 2015, 11:43:59 AM
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if you want we can open a poll, and vote against their policies and send them a copy

I belive this is a good ideea, we whould start a pool and make a complaint against BITMAIN's bad behavior


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December 31, 2015, 11:45:38 AM
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I update you who have sent me an apology for saying 2 times the shipment, that will not happen again.

but repayment is not talked about.

This is absurd


Hi,
Sorry for the trouble.
I double  confirmed with shipping team and they confirm it's due to our financial department's request. but considering on our customers' side, I argue with them and convince them to follow the real shipping cost in orders in future. No worries.
It won't happen again, sorry for the inconvenience
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December 31, 2015, 11:53:15 AM
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Before you do that, please do some due diligence first.

Have a look at pos 12 Elementi del valore: 128.97 -> this is the value form Bitmain.


Everything else is filled out by FedEx. It has to, because they have to charge taxes to their service as well. It might be possible, that bitmain doesnt show off with the actual price for shipping.
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December 31, 2015, 11:57:25 AM
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Before you do that, please do some due diligence first.

Have a look at pos 12 Elementi del valore: 128.97 -> this is the value form Bitmain.


Everything else is filled out by FedEx. It has to, because they have to charge taxes to their service as well. It might be possible, that bitmain doesnt show off with the actual price for shipping.



enough for me to see that stated in the invoice 533.94
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December 31, 2015, 12:20:12 PM
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in Sicily these people are put aside, because they bring nothing but trouble

Stop ordering from them, this is not your first "omg bitmain scammers ripoff omg omg" thread.

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December 31, 2015, 12:29:30 PM
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But 128.97 x3 +22% import taxes are  (128.97*3*1.22)= 472.03 so there are just 60 (or 50 + 22% taxes) bucks left, which was possibly charged by FedEx for the customs service at the italian border. So actually it looks ok to me.

I know you have been ripped off by a forum member (thats a pity).

edit:

with 467.99 USD +22% taxes it would be 570.95 -> even more. USD/EUR is around 0.95, so thats 542 EUR.

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Shipping Cost   0.114 BTC
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December 31, 2015, 12:51:33 PM
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Price of import = sale price of items (or fair value) + shipping ACTUAL cost. The amount you were charged for shipping was possibly less than it actually cost to ship, meaning the declared value comes out higher. + exchange variations.

This!

I was confused about this in the beginning as well, but Bitmain haven't done anything wrong here.
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December 31, 2015, 01:04:51 PM
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In estonia is the e‑Tax Board/ e‑Customs environment  and and each company and private person can submit their Custom declaration by himself.
http://www.emta.ee/?lang=en

So I pay from  miners and PSU-s only 20% VAT and pay nothing  a courier company.

If you do not want to declare themselves, then you can use courier companies for Custom declaration. UPS and DHL take about 20 eur for that.

From the buying-S5 +  miners until the end of the year I paid over 13 000 euro VAT. But I have saved hundreds of euros completing the declaration itself.

Come to Estonian e-resident and maybe pay less  Cool
https://e-estonia.com/e-residents/about/

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December 31, 2015, 01:27:56 PM
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Price of import = sale price of items (or fair value) + shipping ACTUAL cost. The amount you were charged for shipping was possibly less than it actually cost to ship, meaning the declared value comes out higher. + exchange variations.
That's a lie. You are to be charged on the value you PAID for. You cannot be taxed anywhere in the world for something you didn't pay, regardless of the company eating the shipping price or not. And Bitmain doesn't decrease the actual shipping price. If anything they increase it.

Well, they don't steal anything, they don't get anything more from this, so yeah they often mess up the value on things, i'm not sure why, but its a pain to deal with the rectifying the price declared.
They get 17% from chinese government out of everything they export, or what they say they do.

I,m pretty sure taxes work the other way around. The more money they get from people, the more tax they need to pay, which would translate into being a income loss if you declare higher gain than you did gain and better gain if you declare same or less than what you gained.

Maybe China works differently than what i can imagine.
No, I don't think they get a 17% tax refund. I know they do. I know how chinese export works and I already heard directly from two bitmain employees about this.
That's why miners in chinese site are ~15% more expensive than global.

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December 31, 2015, 03:06:10 PM
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so you're telling me that everything is fine right?
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