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January 08, 2016, 05:27:55 AM
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I'm sorry you are incorrect

Very, very foolish words man.

you also can verify every game played with the client seed and blockchain.

Can you show an example please?

I am particularly interested in how I can verify that the txid you use is in fact the last txid shown on blockchain.info ten seconds after the last ticket was purchased.


Very, very foolish words man. Clearly you have no idea how our site works.

I think you should stick to your copy and pasted dice site. Super original idea
If you don't want to take interest and prove your projects or efforts are real and fair then it is more than clear that you made this thing just to make some quick bucks until you get caught but sadly it didn't took long.I also remember that bitgog' website had the same betting system and they are gone now.
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January 08, 2016, 05:30:39 AM
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you also can verify every game played with the client seed and blockchain.

Can you show an example please?

I am particularly interested in how I can verify that the txid you use is in fact the last txid shown on blockchain.info ten seconds after the last ticket was purchased.

Clearly you have no idea how our site works.

You tell me I can verify the rolls.

I ask how.

You tell me I don't know how it works.

So tell me! I claim it isn't possible to verify that you picked that txid fairly, but you claim it is - so how?

Re. my original idea, I invented the idea of the crowd-funded bankroll which most dice sites then copied, so yes, it was very original. But that's offtopic here and only serves to further indicate that you don't know your stuff.

Ok i have to point this out. I just saw a post by you saying you can 100% cheat people with your crowd-funded bankroll. So you invented one of the best scams in bitcoin gambling sites?

Yes Or No?
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January 08, 2016, 05:35:07 AM
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I'm sorry you are incorrect

Very, very foolish words man.

you also can verify every game played with the client seed and blockchain.

Can you show an example please?

I am particularly interested in how I can verify that the txid you use is in fact the last txid shown on blockchain.info ten seconds after the last ticket was purchased.


Very, very foolish words man. Clearly you have no idea how our site works.

I think you should stick to your copy and pasted dice site. Super original idea
If you don't want to take interest and prove your projects or efforts are real and fair then it is more than clear that you made this thing just to make some quick bucks until you get caught but sadly it didn't took long.I also remember that bitgog' website had the same betting system and they are gone now.

I have proven its provably fair this dooglus guy who runs a copy and pasted site who knows nothing about what he is talking about, is the only person claiming different.

He also only talks he has never shown any proof he right.

Oh an he also buys and creates other accounts.
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January 08, 2016, 05:47:08 AM
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I have proven its provably fair this dooglus guy who runs a copy and pasted site who knows nothing about what he is talking about, is the only person claiming different.
I can't agree to that because he is one of the most talented security dev on forum right now and of course he will search and find loop.But yes this is the benefit you get when you are early adopters and i don't think J-D would have been here if there was one investor like doog himself and questions about the server seed long back.

He also only talks he has never shown any proof he right.
He is showing the possibility of you scamming and you should prove it wrong.

Oh an he also buys and creates other accounts.
Why this,why do you care about anything he does ? Be a Man and make your things right.
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January 08, 2016, 05:50:42 AM
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I just saw a post by you saying you can 100% cheat people with your crowd-funded bankroll. So you invented one of the best scams in bitcoin gambling sites?

Yes Or No?
Care to show that post? As far as scamming goes, he held 50k BTC in the past and paid out with no issues. He even switched to Clams( a worthless altcoin at that time)as he felt he couldn't handle risking such a huge amount, invested by others.
I have proven its provably fair this dooglus guy who runs a copy and pasted site who knows nothing about what he is talking about, is the only person claiming different.
AFAIK doog is the creator of one of the first dice sites to use provably fair, and he has pointed out faults in many provably fair systems designed to cheat players. So yes he knows what he is talking about
He also only talks he has never shown any proof he right.
What more proof would you like? Its you who can cheat using the current implementation of your so-called "provably fair", not the users, so that doog can show a practical implementation on the site
Oh an he also buys and creates other accounts.
Geez, stop FUDding will you?
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January 08, 2016, 06:05:52 AM
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Ok i have to point this out. I just saw a post by you saying you can 100% cheat people with your crowd-funded bankroll. So you invented one of the best scams in bitcoin gambling sites?

Yes Or No?

I don't know of a way to make "investing" in a dice site provably fair. It's a shame, but provable fairness is tricky, as you are discovering. I have never made a secret of the fact that investing in a dice site requires you to trust the site's operator.

I have proven its provably fair

You have proven nothing. You don't know what proof is. You make false statements and when challenged on them you ignore it or change the subject.

this dooglus guy who runs a copy and pasted site

There is nothing on my site that is copy and pasted. A few sites copied my site which is maybe why you are confused, but I didn't copy anything. I created it from scratch.

who knows nothing about what he is talking about, is the only person claiming different.

Everyone with a basic understand of the concepts agrees with me. It's you who is the out on a limb here.

Oh an he also buys and creates other accounts.

I've no idea where you got that from. I've never bought or sold an account of any kind that I can think of. You have an uncanny knack of getting things wrong, don't you!

Care to show that post?

He's referring to this:

Just-Dice is provably fair for players and always has been. There is no way I can cheat the players without them being able to detect it.

It might surprise you to hear that it *isn't* provably fair for investors. I can cheat the investors (by playing against them using the server seed) and they can't prove anything.

As far as scamming goes, he held 50k BTC in the past and paid out with no issues. He even switched to Clams( a worthless altcoin at that time)as he felt he couldn't handle risking such a huge amount, invested by others.

Wow! Someone in this thread knows some history! Smiley

So can we get back on topic?

How can I verify the txid you use is really the last one you saw?

For example, here:

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Fri Jan 08 2016 05:13:31 GMT-0800 has won with 0.00090000 btc, had a winning chance of 90% and made 0.00009900 btc of profit.
LUCKY NUMBER: 1893
HASH: 9a559dbbeb7e819d7aaabf7bc2c1069ae0bd43586d8a16b6110bf0357ea924b0 -- Received Time 2016-01-08 05:13:29
Client Seed: Buttthek-100000

Is there any way I can check that there was no transaction listed on blockchain.info between 05:13:29 when that one showed up and 05:13:31 when the game ended?

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January 08, 2016, 07:34:10 AM
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You are incorrect the tickets are not "sequentially in the order' You could be the first player or the last player and get ticket number 1-1000 there is 100% no way for someone to pick there numbers its all 100% random.

I thought you might like to know that the ticket ordering isn't at all random.

Tickets are sorted into descending order of price, and then ascending order of last purchase time.

Here's the code that does it client-side, from raffle.js:

Code:
        self.Participants.sort(function (p1, p2) {
            if (Number(p1.amount).toFixed(8) == Number(p2.amount).toFixed(8))
                return p1.betTime > p2.betTime; //ascending
            return Number(p1.amount) < Number(p2.amount); //decending
        });

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January 08, 2016, 10:18:01 AM
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I have not been paid $0.16 which I won 3-4 days back in the chat contest and you sent me a reply 2 days backk that you'll send the payment. Please tell me if there is any issue as the amount is too small.

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January 08, 2016, 09:27:28 PM
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Where do you get the txids from that you flash up one per second during the 10 second countdown?

I just saw one flash up that didn't appear on blockchain.info until over a minute after the game was over.

The first 3 txids you flashed up, with their blockchain.info timestamps were:

  21:13:46: 7759136e7df90ee330ab76831297726e2744870d307012dcaf4ab283d96c8f76
  21:15:04: 380d0e1201b9b8c824ee76d5587dbadccb11df542554b86030693af82cdb9acc
  21:13:48: ca59f4f2db0da8a83c903a4512c8df292ed05b6861e8cd958097da86fe995c9d


Where did that 2nd one come from? blockchain.info had not seen it at the time.

At the end of the game you sent me:

Code:
{ amount: 0.0001,
  lobbyid: 0,
  percentage: 5000,
  participant:
   { _id: '9b047b92-f473-414b-9449-e99c9da19448',
     avatar: '',
     userName: 'foodporn' },
  betTime: '2016-01-08T21:13:57.847Z',
  luckyNumber: 2022,
  hash: 'ca06036ab0af1eeaaf77b5b875f3c1ea76bba546394337033a89e2f76a599caf',
  totalAmount: 0.0002,
  clientSeed: 'foodasht-20000',
  profitAmount: 0.000199 }


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January 08, 2016, 09:38:31 PM
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This one is even worse:

Code:
{ amount: 0.0008,
  lobbyid: 0,
  percentage: 8889,
  participant:
   { _id: '528ad796-0744-48e1-bc1d-800d28603c0e',
     avatar: 'avatar_528ad796-0744-48e1-bc1d-800d28603c0e.gif',
     userName: 'Katiness' },
  betTime: '2016-01-08T21:20:27.306Z',
  luckyNumber: 2707,
  hash: '7815d906e350297a03f64a0df531c7822d98fb6d5d0b3062c328254d6378f9d6',
  totalAmount: 0.0009000000000000001,
  clientSeed: 'Katimonk-90000',
  profitAmount: 0.0008990000000000001 }

Check out txid 7815d906e350297a03f64a0df531c7822d98fb6d5d0b3062c328254d6378f9d6:



You used a transaction to decide the winner of a game at 21:20 but the transaction wasn't seen by blockchain.info until it got into a block at 21:31...

Can you explain this?

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January 09, 2016, 10:44:58 AM
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He can't even do maths correctly.
I won't be surprised if he answer to you 'stop trolling' instead of a good relevant answer.

I mean, when there's 3 players in, their luck are 33.33% (which gives a total of 99.99% and cannot be 100%..) But, it's shown as 100% and they give a BONUS amount of tickets to the third player... (cheat & unfair?)
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January 09, 2016, 04:30:51 PM
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Mr. Raffle,

I wonder if you are mature enough to answer these three questions....

Is btc-raffle provably fair right now?

In my mind yes, there is a theory someone could cheat it but it has not been proven to be true only speclaactions


lol

Mr. Raffle, why do you feel it necessary to preface your answer with "in my mind"

Dont you see, if you can't disprove the theory that someone could cheat - you can't prove that your system is fair.

Has anyone brought up the fact that it's obviously bots playing on his site 24/7, although they seem to be denying it?

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January 09, 2016, 06:20:58 PM
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I'm pretty sure too that they are bots.
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I came up with an explanation for why I was seeing the weird results I was seeing yesterday: the site doesn't use blockchain.info at all to get its feed of new transactions on the network. Instead their run their own node, and watch have that report the most recently seen transaction when they need it.

They were only telling us "you can verify by watching blockchain.info" because that is *a* way of watching the transactions, not *the* way that the site uses. They were assuming that everyone seems the same transactions in the same order with the same timing, which obviously isn't the case. And so their system is further from provably fair than I previously thought to be the case. The site can simply pretend not to have seen a transaction which gives a result they don't like, and we can't prove otherwise.

He can't even do maths correctly.
I won't be surprised if he answer to you 'stop trolling' instead of a good relevant answer.

I mean, when there's 3 players in, their luck are 33.33% (which gives a total of 99.99% and cannot be 100%..) But, it's shown as 100% and they give a BONUS amount of tickets to the third player... (cheat & unfair?)

Well, to be fair there is no way of dividing an power of 10 by 3 equally.

Their client-side code which calculates the ranges has a special case saying that if any range ends with 9999 then set it to be 10000:

Code:
       self.Participants.forEach(function (par) {
            par.playerNumber = playerNumber + 1;
            playerNumber += Math.round(par.percentage * 100);
            playerNumber = playerNumber >= 9999 ?10000: playerNumber;
            par.playerNumber += ' - ' + playerNumber;
        });

You can always be the last player by being the last user to buy the smallest number of tickets.

Has anyone brought up the fact that it's obviously bots playing on his site 24/7, although they seem to be denying it?

I wasn't mentioning it because although it does seem likely there's no way of proving it.

Either way it seems that OP has abandoned this thread, and possibly the site too. The promised giveaway in the site's chatbox seems not to have happened, and the guy complaining in this thread about a withdrawal not happening went unanswered.

Least successful scam ever?

Edit: sorry, that was rude. I'm frustrated that I spent so much time on this thread trying to help and it was all for naught.

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January 09, 2016, 06:53:20 PM
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Least successful scam ever?

I will answer for the OP Smiley

Please do no get back into trolling the thread i thought we were past that.

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I will answer for the OP Smiley

Please do no get back into trolling the thread i thought we were past that.

You're right. I edited my post.

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January 09, 2016, 08:20:25 PM
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Least successful scam ever?

I will answer for the OP Smiley

Please do no get back into trolling the thread i thought we were past that.


No please, allow me to answer for OP.

Dooglus is obviously jealous and worried about competition for his site.

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January 10, 2016, 02:40:31 AM
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I came up with an explanation for why I was seeing the weird results I was seeing yesterday: the site doesn't use blockchain.info at all to get its feed of new transactions on the network. Instead their run their own node, and watch have that report the most recently seen transaction when they need it.

They were only telling us "you can verify by watching blockchain.info" because that is *a* way of watching the transactions, not *the* way that the site uses. They were assuming that everyone seems the same transactions in the same order with the same timing, which obviously isn't the case. And so their system is further from provably fair than I previously thought to be the case. The site can simply pretend not to have seen a transaction which gives a result they don't like, and we can't prove otherwise.

He can't even do maths correctly.
I won't be surprised if he answer to you 'stop trolling' instead of a good relevant answer.

I mean, when there's 3 players in, their luck are 33.33% (which gives a total of 99.99% and cannot be 100%..) But, it's shown as 100% and they give a BONUS amount of tickets to the third player... (cheat & unfair?)

Well, to be fair there is no way of dividing an power of 10 by 3 equally.

Their client-side code which calculates the ranges has a special case saying that if any range ends with 9999 then set it to be 10000:

Code:
       self.Participants.forEach(function (par) {
            par.playerNumber = playerNumber + 1;
            playerNumber += Math.round(par.percentage * 100);
            playerNumber = playerNumber >= 9999 ?10000: playerNumber;
            par.playerNumber += ' - ' + playerNumber;
        });

You can always be the last player by being the last user to buy the smallest number of tickets.

Has anyone brought up the fact that it's obviously bots playing on his site 24/7, although they seem to be denying it?

I wasn't mentioning it because although it does seem likely there's no way of proving it.

Either way it seems that OP has abandoned this thread, and possibly the site too. The promised giveaway in the site's chatbox seems not to have happened, and the guy complaining in this thread about a withdrawal not happening went unanswered.

Least successful scam ever?

Edit: sorry, that was rude. I'm frustrated that I spent so much time on this thread trying to help and it was all for naught.




Lets start with this.

I'm frustrated that I spent so much time on this thread trying to help and it was all for naught.


You are so full of shit, you have only spent time telling us why its not fair. You run a dice site, you did not come up with anything!!! you got your provably fair with copy and paste, just like the dice site idea is copy and paste. Your a joke.

How many hours have you spent on this thread and looking at our code? 10? 20? more?

The fact is you are only here to bash us, if you are soooooo great at all this how about you spent 10-20 hours researching a way to make the site provably fair?

The fact is you wont. Because your a competitor. Because you are not skilled enough to come up with anything besides copy and paste.

Oh and your claim to us not being provably fair has not been proven. (But im sure you have an excuse to why you cant prove it)
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January 10, 2016, 03:49:09 AM
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I came up with an explanation for why I was seeing the weird results I was seeing yesterday: the site doesn't use blockchain.info at all to get its feed of new transactions on the network. Instead their run their own node, and watch have that report the most recently seen transaction when they need it.

They were only telling us "you can verify by watching blockchain.info" because that is *a* way of watching the transactions, not *the* way that the site uses. They were assuming that everyone seems the same transactions in the same order with the same timing, which obviously isn't the case. And so their system is further from provably fair than I previously thought to be the case. The site can simply pretend not to have seen a transaction which gives a result they don't like, and we can't prove otherwise.

He can't even do maths correctly.
I won't be surprised if he answer to you 'stop trolling' instead of a good relevant answer.

I mean, when there's 3 players in, their luck are 33.33% (which gives a total of 99.99% and cannot be 100%..) But, it's shown as 100% and they give a BONUS amount of tickets to the third player... (cheat & unfair?)

Well, to be fair there is no way of dividing an power of 10 by 3 equally.

Their client-side code which calculates the ranges has a special case saying that if any range ends with 9999 then set it to be 10000:

Code:
       self.Participants.forEach(function (par) {
            par.playerNumber = playerNumber + 1;
            playerNumber += Math.round(par.percentage * 100);
            playerNumber = playerNumber >= 9999 ?10000: playerNumber;
            par.playerNumber += ' - ' + playerNumber;
        });

You can always be the last player by being the last user to buy the smallest number of tickets.

Has anyone brought up the fact that it's obviously bots playing on his site 24/7, although they seem to be denying it?

I wasn't mentioning it because although it does seem likely there's no way of proving it.

Either way it seems that OP has abandoned this thread, and possibly the site too. The promised giveaway in the site's chatbox seems not to have happened, and the guy complaining in this thread about a withdrawal not happening went unanswered.

Least successful scam ever?

Edit: sorry, that was rude. I'm frustrated that I spent so much time on this thread trying to help and it was all for naught.




Lets start with this.

I'm frustrated that I spent so much time on this thread trying to help and it was all for naught.


You are so full of shit, you have only spent time telling us why its not fair. You run a dice site, you did not come up with anything!!! you got your provably fair with copy and paste, just like the dice site idea is copy and paste. Your a joke.

How many hours have you spent on this thread and looking at our code? 10? 20? more?

The fact is you are only here to bash us, if you are soooooo great at all this how about you spent 10-20 hours researching a way to make the site provably fair?

The fact is you wont. Because your a competitor. Because you are not skilled enough to come up with anything besides copy and paste.

Oh and your claim to us not being provably fair has not been proven. (But im sure you have an excuse to why you cant prove it)


Serious question.  How old are you?

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January 10, 2016, 05:12:04 AM
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You are so full of shit, you have only spent time telling us why its not fair. You run a dice site, you did not come up with anything!!! you got your provably fair with copy and paste, just like the dice site idea is copy and paste. Your a joke.

How many hours have you spent on this thread and looking at our code? 10? 20? more?

The fact is you are only here to bash us, if you are soooooo great at all this how about you spent 10-20 hours researching a way to make the site provably fair?

The fact is you wont. Because your a competitor. Because you are not skilled enough to come up with anything besides copy and paste.

Oh and your claim to us not being provably fair has not been proven. (But im sure you have an excuse to why you cant prove it)

Are you mad? You seem mad. Your whole post was an insane rant full of factual errors and emotional outbursts.

Serious question. Are you on your period?

(Also, maybe you could try addressing some of my points - like the example I posted where you used a txid that never even appeared on the site you tell us to use to verify our plays until 10 minutes after the game was over)

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