[ANN] -NEW BURST OP- MINE ANY FREE SPACE-(HDD MINING)- ATs, AE, P2P MARKET+MORE!

[crowetic]

A short Introduction to BURST's POC mining

Burst uses a new algorithm for proof of hdd capacity (POC) mining.
Miners pre-generate chunks of data known as 'plots' which are then saved to disk.
The number of plots you store is effectively your mining speed.
Every block the miner will skim through the saved plots, and come up with an amount of time until it is able to mine a block
if another block hasn't yet been found. After reading through the plots is complete, your hardware can idle until the newest block.

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Burst uses a new algorithm for proof of hdd capacity (POC) mining. Miners pre-generate chunks of data known as 'plots' which are then saved to disk.
The number of plots you store is effectively your mining speed.
Every block the miner will skim through the saved plots, and come up with an amount of time until it is able to mine a block if another block hasn't yet been found.
After reading through the plots is complete, your hardware can idle until the newest block.







• NXT based
• Proof of Stake Removed
• Proof of Capacity implemented
• No IPO
• No Premine
• 4 minute block time
• 2,158,812,800 coins total
• Block reward starts at 10,000/block
• Block Reward Decreases at 5% each month
 

Miners generate and cache chunks of data known as 'plots', which are divided into 4096 portions known as 'scoops'.
Plots are generated by taking a public address and a nonce, then hashing it, pre-appending the resulting hash,
repeating the hash-pre-append cycle many times, and then hashing the whole thing and xor'ing the last hash with the whole thing.

Plots are staggered together so chunks of the same scoop number are together, then written to disk.
Each block has a generation signature which is derived only from the previous block's generation signature and miner, so it is difficult to manipulate.

When mining, the scoop number to be used for a block is derived from the generation signature and the block height,
so the miner reads all relevant scoops (each plot will have 1 relevant scoop, and staggering allows for larger sequential read with less seeking).
Only 0.024% of the stored data will need to be read each block.

The generation signature is hashed with each scoop. 8 bytes are taken from the hash, then divided by a scaling factor (inverse difficulty).
The resulting number is a number of seconds. If that many seconds passes since the last block without a new one,
the address/nonce combination used to generate that plot/scoop is eligible to announce a new block.

The miner's hardware can just sit idle until either that time or a new block.
The address/nonce is included in the block as proof of eligibility, and the block is signed by that address.

Technically, this mining process can be mined POW-style, however mining it as intended will yield thousands of times the hashrate, and your hardware will sit idle most of the time.
Continuously hashing until a block is found is unnecessary, as waiting long enough will cause any nonce to eventually become valid.









Github: https://github.com/burst-team/burstcoin/releases/


After running wallet, access it through a web browser at http://localhost:8125 When upgrading wallet, move burst_db folder into new wallet folder to avoid re-downloading the blockchain. For detailed instructions, see Guides below.

Windows:

Download Windows Client based on V1.2.4  


WebWallet:

https://wallet.burst-team.us

Always up-to-date Blockchain:

   Blockchain   (extract to burst_db folder!)


















Please vote:

https://www.livecoin.net
https://bter.com/voting

Markets Listing:


http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/burst/#markets
https://www.cryptocompare.com/coins/burst/overview/BTC





Websites

English: http://burstcoin.info
Japanese: http://www.burstcoin.jp
Chinese: http://www.burstcoin.cn (looking for a new Webmaster - PM us)
Italian: https://it.burst-team.us
Spanish: https://es.burst-team.us
Portuguese: https://pt.burst-team.us
Brazilian Portuguese: https://br.burst-team.us
Russian: https://ru.burst-team.us


Offical Forum

https://forums.burst-team.us

Social media
 






IRC:

Freenode: #burst-coin


Videos



Step-by-step Video guides:

How to Install, Setup, Plot and Mine with the Windows Client by Crowetic - using Windows client

How to Mine Burst Coin with the Windows Client by Steven Pearson - using Windows client

How to Install, Setup and Fund the Burstcoin Wallet by RiskyRandoms - without Windows Client

How To Plot Your Hard Drives For Burstcoin Using The CPU Or GPU Plotter by RiskyRandoms - without Windows Client

How To Pool Mine Burstcoin Using The CPU Or GPU Miner by RiskyRandoms - without Windows Client

Asset Exchange:

How to use the Asset Exchange of Burst by Crowetic

Burst Coin Decentralized Assets Exchange Review by FXAlTareeq

Escrow Service:

BURST Decentralize Escrow Service Smart Contracts by FXAlTareeq

Crowdfunding:

How To Setup Decentralize BURST Crowdfunding Projects For Free by FXAlTareeq

Others:

Features the Burst Coin Wallet: Market Place, Escrow, Asset Exchange, Crowdfund, Lotteries by FXAlTareeq

RiskyRandoms showing his mining-rig

Adam Guerbuez interviewing Crowetic, the BURST team-leader

BURST releases Android Client

A Series of BURST Videos in russian language:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlbHLWm3pJ4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOCoQIVhn_k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9RiaisbJQg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlbHLWm3pJ4



Plotters
Janror's CPU plotter (sse4/avx2)
cryo's (bipben's) GPU plotter:
Linux x64 | Linux x86 | Windows x64 | Windows x86


Miners

Blago’s Windows Miner
(source: https://github.com/Blagodarenko/miner-burst)[/url]

luxe’s openCL for Win/Linux/MacOS
Highly recommended if you have a decent or good graphics unit. Highly increased performance, lower read times, and quicker submissions.

Uray's Miner
Multiplatform C++ Miner |

dcct's c miner for Linux

Dev's POCMiner in java


Pool Mining

Overview with stats:
http://burstcoin.biz/pools

dev's pools - v2 pool
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=731923.msg8604606#msg8604606

Tom's Pool
http://mining.tompool.org:82


NEW POOLS!!

http://pool.burst-team.us -  by Burst Development team - Based on burst.ninja code by catbref released by crowetic

http://pool.burstcoin.biz

http://pool.burstcoin.eu

http://pool.burstcoin.de - based on uray code

Elmit's v2 pool in Singapore (based on uray's source):
http://mininghere.com:8001/

PCFiL's v2 pool (based on uray's source):
http://burst.poolto.be:88

Italian pool v2 pool (based on uray's source):
http://pool.burstcoin.it/


Various tools and resources

dcct's plot tools (faster generator, plot optimizer, c miner)

Gui mining system

Various Online Resources

Network Size (real time updates)

Charts and statistics

Mining Calculator:

Burstcoin.biz Calculator

bchain.info Calculator (offline)

Block Explorers:

http://burstcoin.biz/

Faucets:

burstcoin.biz/faucet

NEW FAUCET! - http://faucet.burstcoin.info

NEW FAUCET

http://faucet.burst-team.us

GITHUB:

https://github.com/BurstProject/burstcoin
https://github.com/BurstProject/pocminer





Bounty:

NEW - (well, old bounty, new addition to OP) - crowetic is offering a 500k + a number of ByteEnt assets to be determined for development of the front end of http://pool.burst-team.us pool.
NEW - Bounty offered for development work leading towards a decentralized exchange (more info @ forums.burst-team.us)
NEW - Bounty offered for new BURST graphics designs
NEW - crowetic offering personal bounty paid in BURST to hopefully attract BURST people to it, for various development projects both BURST and non, and for anyone willing to develop a BURST related service.

Also felt the need to mention haitch's offer to host any BURST related service from the community. Contact him for more information.



Emission Rate





Technological RoadMap

New Roadmap here - http://burst.press

Basic pool support (done)
Improved pool support (done)
Advanced transactions(escrow, subscription, reserve funds then transfer not yet known portion later)(some done)
Automated transactions (turing complete smart contracts) (done)
BurstId authentication system / Two-Factor Auth
Dezentralized Exchange with BTC and QORA (done)



Promotional RoadMap

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=731923.msg9895843#msg9895843


    Software Development


Windows:

https://github.com/Blagodarenko/miner-burst	Blago's Windows Miner
https://github.com/BurstTools/BurstSoftware	Burst Windows Plot Generator for SEE4 / AVX / AVX2
https://github.com/dawallet/burstwindowswallet	Burst Wallet for Windows

   
Multi / Linux / Mac:

https://github.com/BurstProject	Main Develeopment: Main Wallet, Java Miner by burstdev, vbcs
http://www.ciyam.org/at/	Automated Transactions
https://github.com/bhamon	gpuPlotGenerator, BurstMine(graphical plotter/miner)
https://github.com/kartojal	Burst OS, Burst ARM Tools, DCCT Tools GUI, gpuPlotGenerator
https://github.com/Kurairaito	Burst Plot Generator by Kurairaito
https://github.com/Mirkic7	Improved Linux Burst Plotter / optimizer / miner
https://github.com/uraymeiviar	C Miner, Pool, Block Explorer, Plot Composer (not active anymore, fork?)

   

http://forum.burstcoin.info:4567/topic/33/burst-address-generator-v0-2-3-all-platforms	Burst Address Generator by luxe
http://forum.burstcoin.info:4567/topic/24/burstcoin-jminer-v0-4-2-gpu-assisted-poc-miner-all-platforms	Burst GPU Java Miner by luxe
http://forum.burstcoin.info:4567/topic/26/plot-optimizer-v1-6-with-gui-1-0-3-j6jq-win/2	Plot Optimizer GUI 1.0.3 by j6jq
http://forum.burstcoin.info:4567/topic/46/batch-plot-generator-win-linux	Batch Generator for Plotter (Win / Linux)

 


Burst Development


Core developers / main developers - fuse and dcct.

Automated Transactions development -vbcs - is the expert on programming Smart Contracts for Burstcoin.  

Wallet development / GUI - daWallet - daWallet is wrapping up the best tools in one package to start with Burstcoin on Windows. See: Windows GUI

Mobile / Android - daWallet -  daWallet is pushing Android Development to enable 1 Billion Devices worldwide to participate in the Burst Network.

GPU miner dev / GPU implementations / core assistance - luxe - luxe has proven himself to be extremely valuable with GPU miner release, faucet software and more. We are extremely proud to have him on our team.

Infrastructure / VMWare / Development of foundations - haitch and crowetic - haitch is the backbone of the Burst infrastructure except of the decentralized network itself.

Miner development - luxe and Blago


Join Developing - Would you like to contribute to Burst?
Submit your ideas and requests to the BURSTdev-team at any time!

  


Announcements
2016/07/19 New version release Burst 1.2.5
2016/07/07 New version release Burst 1.2.4            
2015/04/20 2016/01/11 New temporary self-moderated thread and community takeover.
2015/04/20 New version release Burst 1.2.3
2015/02/05 New version release Burst 1.2.2
2015/01/20 New version release Burst 1.2.1
2014/12/22 New version release Burst 1.2.0
2014/11/04 New version release 1.1.5
2014/10/18 New version release 1.1.4
2014/10/04 Escrow transactions enabled
2014/09/27 New version release 1.1.3
2014/09/14 New version release 1.1.2
2014/09/13 Stuck transactions statement
2014/09/13 New version release 1.1.1
2014/09/09 New version release 1.1.0
2014/08/31 V2 mining pool now up
2014/08/27 New version release 1.0.3
2014/08/20 First pool (v1) now up
2014/08/17 New version release 1.0.2
2014/08/16 Statement regarding the difficulty adjustment
2014/08/11 Statement regarding The pool situation

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[Lenore]

Awesomeness!!!!!

Thank you man.

I will use this and also use it for part of the Wiki on the PG.

Glad its done.  Should probably promote it a little get new lookers.

Good work man.

[LondonMP]

Great work Crowetic and DaWallet, Thank you 

[altsheets]

Congrats to the new thread!

I have products which are running well on top of the API of NXT (and HZ), which I could (probably) port to BURST - provided there are good funds/crowdbounty to pay for my work.

Here is a selection:

• AssetGraphs v2 (click start, live play) - based on my award winning cool network visualisation tool.
  
  
• AssetParser.py - compare ALL assets, in >40 columns
• Shareholders.py - inner circle concept, with individualized nxt/hz PMs
  
  
• PAS = Poll Analysis Sheet, descriptive data analysis example, cool for your poll
• bamm.py = balance alarm mail mailer, small but really useful
• chaincountdown - image server (github)

Even if other things are probably more important for you at the moment ... just keep me in mind.

 

[jackserippl]

@lenore

And by chance do you see Rip Tripper?
u a vaper?

I dont understand what you are meant to say


Burst-Installation-GUI is on a good way, but having troubles getting bat files running
out of the GUI. Perhaps anyone having skills in qt and C++??
Otherwise it will take a bit longer till finished

greetings

[Lenore]

@lenore

And by chance do you see Rip Tripper?
u a vaper?

I dont understand what you are meant to say


Burst-Installation-GUI is on a good way, but having troubles getting bat files running
out of the GUI. Perhaps anyone having skills in qt and C++??
Otherwise it will take a bit longer till finished

greetings

In your previous message you said "Easy Peasy" Rip Trippers says this all the time.  He owns a vape jucie company and reviews mods, RDA's and such.    If you need to know what I am talking about this is his YouTube channel.  https://www.youtube.com/user/RiPTrippers

Anyways, What all have you gotten done?  Are you only having issues with the gui and running .bat files?  Or are there other issues as well?

[Abiky]

It is good to finally see Burst getting the attention it deserves. I think it needs more miners and a price increase to make it even more interesting. The features that it provides such as the Proof of Concept is unlike any other and I am willing to see this project reach larger masses as time comes by.

I have a question...Just for curiosity, are assets dividends paid weekly or monthly? Are the rates the same for any asset or does it vary? 

[daWallet]

Finally!

- I'll fix the broken links and random error in the Windows Client soon.

[jackserippl]

i just saw there are GUIs round for adresses plotting and optimizing, I think of dont do the work twice why not just bring them all together
to one powerful GUI?

I have to say I am not best in programming, think I do it the hard way with a java installer, passphrase writing, Backup the file at the place user wants then dump adress to txt-file out of passphrase, read passphrase out again for possibility of easy copying to wallet Login.
I am hanging on the dump_adress.bat. Can navigate to the bat file but programm doesnt see a second needed file. But as sayed there is a GUI for adress generating. Dont know perhaps java is not needed for this GUI and it would be easy to integrate?

Sorry for wierd writeing havent slept much

greez

[pinballdude]

It is good to finally see Burst getting the attention it deserves. I think it needs more miners and a price increase to make it even more interesting. The features that it provides such as the Proof of Concept is unlike any other and I am willing to see this project reach larger masses as time comes by.

I have a question...Just for curiosity, are assets dividends paid weekly or monthly? Are the rates the same for any asset or does it vary? 

As i understand it, the asset is controlled by the issuer, and the asset issuer can set any terms on the asset. It could be that you get your car washed next coming sunday, if someone was silly enough to issue that asset.  Or it could be fractional ( how many assets you own ) ownership of some company or asset.

[Lenore]

It is good to finally see Burst getting the attention it deserves. I think it needs more miners and a price increase to make it even more interesting. The features that it provides such as the Proof of Concept is unlike any other and I am willing to see this project reach larger masses as time comes by.

I have a question...Just for curiosity, are assets dividends paid weekly or monthly? Are the rates the same for any asset or does it vary? 

This depends on the asset you are invested in and who pays them out.

I know for the Playground I planned on weekly Payouts for certain aspects of the the Phases.  However I am a little behind as I have been working trying to get the Playground up and running fully.  But for Playground, Playground (yes listed twice), and PGround3.  These once things are set will be weekly.

For other assets that all depends on when they want to or when they are suppose to.

[Lenore]

It is good to finally see Burst getting the attention it deserves. I think it needs more miners and a price increase to make it even more interesting. The features that it provides such as the Proof of Concept is unlike any other and I am willing to see this project reach larger masses as time comes by.

I have a question...Just for curiosity, are assets dividends paid weekly or monthly? Are the rates the same for any asset or does it vary? 

As i understand it, the asset is controlled by the issuer, and the asset issuer can set any terms on the asset. It could be that you get your car washed next coming sunday, if someone was silly enough to issue that asset.  Or it could be fractional ( how many assets you own ) ownership of some company or asset.

Exactly right.  Would depend on what the general use for the asset would be.  Some would need a longer term for returns while ohers may only need a short time.  Depends on use of funds and what they investments are going into.

[Lenore]

How often or how does the Burst.Ninja pool payout.  Once a day, when a block is found, or when.  I switched back to Burst Ninja.  Would rather support someone I am familiar with then someone im not.  So I switched back.  Just wondering when I could expect payments from the pool.

[crowetic]

It is good to finally see Burst getting the attention it deserves. I think it needs more miners and a price increase to make it even more interesting. The features that it provides such as the Proof of Concept is unlike any other and I am willing to see this project reach larger masses as time comes by.

I have a question...Just for curiosity, are assets dividends paid weekly or monthly? Are the rates the same for any asset or does it vary? 

Depends on the asset you're talking about, mine currently pays monthly. (ByteEnt - 1800253871016293364)

[crowetic]

Congrats to the new thread!

I have products which are running well on top of the API of NXT (and HZ), which I could (probably) port to BURST - provided there are good funds/crowdbounty to pay for my work.

Here is a selection:

• AssetGraphs v2 (click start, live play) - based on my award winning cool network visualisation tool.
  
  
• AssetParser.py - compare ALL assets, in >40 columns
• Shareholders.py - inner circle concept, with individualized nxt/hz PMs
  
  
• PAS = Poll Analysis Sheet, descriptive data analysis example, cool for your poll
• bamm.py = balance alarm mail mailer, small but really useful
• chaincountdown - image server (github)

Even if other things are probably more important for you at the moment ... just keep me in mind.

 

Please message me with what you've got and I'll take a look, if it is something I think (we think, the team) that would benefit the coin, I would be happy to initiate a CF.

How often or how does the Burst.Ninja pool payout.  Once a day, when a block is found, or when.  I switched back to Burst Ninja.  Would rather support someone I am familiar with then someone im not.  So I switched back.  Just wondering when I could expect payments from the pool.

Ninja pays out when it feels like it. xD. No, but that's gonna be the way of the future with AI, am I right? Skynet yes? (Just kidding, heh.) But yea, how it really works, is the pool will pay you when you reach the minimum payout amount. (I can't recall if I set it to 300 or 350, but it is one of those.)

To refresh people on how exactly the colorful (hopefully being redesigned) crap on ninja's main page correlates to understandable figures, it's fairly simple...


Chart on the right is the historical shares chart, this will tell you the miner's estimated size (works for actual size if using blago's miner, if not it is a rough and very much changing number. hah.) and how much the miner has mined total during their time on the pool. The right chart will also tell you how much the miner is going to make if a block were found right then for HISTORIC submissions, and also how much they've got in queue, and how much they've made that hasn't cleared yet.

Ninja's left chart is the current round chart, this shows the amount of BURST a miner will make if a block is found right now, IN LEFT CHART. It also shows the miners' submissions total, and their values in time. (because we all know that we mine with time+space here in BURST. heh.) The lower the submission, of course, the higher the amount of BURST you'll get will be, and the higher up you'll be on the visible ladder. Only submissions of a month or less are accepted. This minimizes lag and also there's no way anything that low would benefit a miner on ninja anyway, so it is pointless to accept them.

 Now, where it gets a little complicated... lol...

The left and right numbers are ADDED together, yes, I know, pretty crazy...lol. So, you're not going to make only what's in the left pie, but what is combined number in both of the current pie's numbers. (even though the one on the right is a historic pie, it has a current round payout number as well. Just happens to be based on the miner's historic submissions. The history of the total mined lasts forever, the other 'history' isn't a forever history, but based off (a set number I can't remember) blocks.)


So, when your total in the confirmed amount that you've won, (which is a total of the left and right numbers during a time that ninja finds a block) gets up to a number above the set payout amount, that's when you'll get paid.

[Abiky]

@Lenore @crowetic and @pinballdude:

Thanks for your replies. I have now clarified my doubts regarding the asset dividends payouts. About ByteEnt, I just invested in it a week ago and considering that payment is monthly, then I will be patient for next months dividends. So far I have invest into Playgrounds, ByteEnt and Playgrounds 3 asset. But will continue to invest more into them as well as buy shares from Income asset and my portfolio will be complete. 

Will all that is happening in Burst, I might consider making a HDD mining farm someday. I will be really could to have one instead of an ASIC farm. 

[Lenore]

@Lenore @crowetic and @pinballdude:

Thanks for your replies. I have now clarified my doubts regarding the asset dividends payouts. About ByteEnt, I just invested in it a week ago and considering that payment is monthly, then I will be patient for next months dividends. So far I have invest into Playgrounds, ByteEnt and Playgrounds 3 asset. But will continue to invest more into them as well as buy shares from Income asset and my portfolio will be complete.  

Will all that is happening in Burst, I might consider making a HDD mining farm someday. I will be really could to have one instead of an ASIC farm.  

I hope to see more investors like you to support this coin and give it value and reason.

If you plan on starting a small farm and do not want to buy a load of equipment unless you already have it.   Have a USB 3.0 port.  Found some samsung 5TB 3.0 external hard drives on newegg.  Picked one up for I think it was $121.xx shipped.  Guess it would depend on how log you plan on being in burst.

[crowetic]

@Lenore @crowetic and @pinballdude:

Thanks for your replies. I have now clarified my doubts regarding the asset dividends payouts. About ByteEnt, I just invested in it a week ago and considering that payment is monthly, then I will be patient for next months dividends. So far I have invest into Playgrounds, ByteEnt and Playgrounds 3 asset. But will continue to invest more into them as well as buy shares from Income asset and my portfolio will be complete. 

Will all that is happening in Burst, I might consider making a HDD mining farm someday. I will be really could to have one instead of an ASIC farm. 

I hope to see more investors like you to support this coin and give it value and reason.

If you plan on starting a small farm and do not want to buy a load of equipment unless you already have it.   Have a USB 3.0 port.  Found some samsung 5TB 3.0 external hard drives on newegg.  Picked one up for oI think it was 121.xx shipped.  Guess it would depend on how log you plan on being in burst.

Can confirm that USB3 drives (I run almost my entire 70+ TB on USB with individual ports on internal controller cards in a rackserver.) run just as well as internal drives do. Though, I've not really tested them when running via a USB3 hub. Mine all run on direct ports via USB3 controller SATA cards, or on the board's controller directly.

[Abiky]

I hope to see more investors like you to support this coin and give it value and reason.

If you plan on starting a small farm and do not want to buy a load of equipment unless you already have it.   Have a USB 3.0 port.  Found some samsung 5TB 3.0 external hard drives on newegg.  Picked one up for I think it was $121.xx shipped.  Guess it would depend on how log you plan on being in burst.

Even if it is not very profitable to mine BURST with your HDD, as the cost of HDD is more than what you make in BURST weekly or monthly (based on burstcoin.biz calculator) it will still be a fun and innovating way of mining a crypto currency and support its network. I might start will a small HDD mining farm and test how mining BURST with them works. But sometimes I wonder if the HDD could support being used long enough for mining BURST 24/7 I guess that mining with them will shorten its lifespan, right? Also, have anyone tried mining with a Solid State Drive (SSD) by the way? 

[Lenore]

@Lenore @crowetic and @pinballdude:

Thanks for your replies. I have now clarified my doubts regarding the asset dividends payouts. About ByteEnt, I just invested in it a week ago and considering that payment is monthly, then I will be patient for next months dividends. So far I have invest into Playgrounds, ByteEnt and Playgrounds 3 asset. But will continue to invest more into them as well as buy shares from Income asset and my portfolio will be complete. 

Will all that is happening in Burst, I might consider making a HDD mining farm someday. I will be really could to have one instead of an ASIC farm. 

I hope to see more investors like you to support this coin and give it value and reason.

If you plan on starting a small farm and do not want to buy a load of equipment unless you already have it.   Have a USB 3.0 port.  Found some samsung 5TB 3.0 external hard drives on newegg.  Picked one up for oI think it was 121.xx shipped.  Guess it would depend on how log you plan on being in burst.

Can confirm that USB3 drives (I run almost my entire 70+ TB on USB with individual ports on internal controller cards in a rackserver.) run just as well as internal drives do. Though, I've not really tested them when running via a USB3 hub. Mine all run on direct ports via USB3 controller SATA cards, or on the board's controller directly.

I think it works pretty good.

Have plotted around 1TB on it so far and have another 1TB plotting now.   Doesnt take any longer then on a normal HDD.  I am still wondering if a USB 2.0 would work with the correct drivers.  If so that would make space even cheaper.

Also I found a few dual bay drive duplicaors.  Stated to hold 2 HDDs for either storage or duplication.  3.0 as well and only run like $20.   Capable of up to 10TB.  and can use SATA I, II, or III.  So a bunch of hard drives laying around could be useful.

Still would like to try using hosting for mining.   Find one that has unlimited space and mine till they kick you off.  lol