bitcoin and the NSA.. yea yea.. i know.. but hold on a sec

[slaveforanunnak1]

Prime spirals are real and are the basis of ECDSA key generation
If you're not familiar with them here is a quick video on WTF a prime spiral is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFuR97YcSLM


I came across this website and i know it looks fishy as hell, but i need someone here to calm me down.

http://247bitcoinnews.com/news/amazon-bans-bitcoin-and-crypto-books-by-dr-adoni/

WTF .... is this why satoshi used secp256k1 instead of r1? is that something related? Where my math whizzes at?

[AgentofCoin]

Seems like garbage. Is there proof that Amazon has banned the book?

My understanding is secp256k1 was used over r1 and others because
secp256k1 is less common and less likely to have a backdoor.

Here is what the bitcoin wiki says:

Also, unlike the popular NIST curves, secp256k1's constants were selected in a predictable way,
which significantly reduces the possibility that the curve's creator inserted any sort of backdoor into the curve.

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Secp256k1

[DannyHamilton]

Prime spirals are real and are the basis of ECDSA key generation

In what way are prime spirals (Ulam Spirals) the basis of ECDSA key generation?

You are aware that ECDSA is based on the difficulty of the discrete logarithm problem and not the difficulty of factoring the product of large primes, right?

I came across this website and i know it looks fishy as hell, but i need someone here to calm me down.

That website is a bunch of gobbledygook and hogwash.  Don't waste your time on it.

If some random, unknown, un-vetted, self-proclaimed expert can create an internet webpage and you immediately become frightened by the nonsense that they can spew forth with no thought to reality, then you are in for a LOT of paranoia in your life.

WTF .... is this why satoshi used secp256k1 instead of r1? is that something related?

Nope.

Most likely secp256r1 was avoided because its parameters have no reliable explanation about how they were chosen.  They *appear* to be random, and we are told that they were randomly chosen, but its entirely possible that an effort was made to find parameters that resulted in a weakness and then those parameters were announced to be random.  Unless you were aware of what the weakness was, it would be impossible to prove that the parameters were chosen for any particular reason.

secp256k1 is far more rigid in the methods used to choose the parameters.  See here: http://safecurves.cr.yp.to/rigid.html

[slaveforanunnak1]

In what way are prime spirals (Ulam Spirals) the basis of ECDSA key generation?

No, not the spiral itslef,  but prime numbers. Arent' they use in the discrete logarithm formula? large primes?

[unamis76]

I think this quote fits this thread perfectly well

Every step of the way everything possible was done to ensure that Bitcoin was secure.  For example Bitcoin is one of the only systems in existence that uses the secp256k1 curve instead of the secp256r1 curve that is used by almost everyone else.  But this was a very wise decision in light of recent leaks about the NSA and their underhanded practices with respect to the cryptography they produce or help produce.

secp256r1 was designed by the NSA, secp256k1 was not.

There's also this thread on the subject

[slaveforanunnak1]

[DannyHamilton]

prime numbers. Arent' they use in the discrete logarithm formula? large primes?

The base point is of prime order, but the base point is publicly known:

Code:

04 79BE667E F9DCBBAC 55A06295 CE870B07 029BFCDB 2DCE28D9 59F2815B 16F81798 483ADA77 26A3C465 5DA4FBFC 0E1108A8 FD17B448 A6855419 9C47D08F FB10D4B8

Other than that, there really aren't any prime numbers involved in the process.

[slaveforanunnak1]

prime numbers. Arent' they use in the discrete logarithm formula? large primes?

The base point is of prime order, but the base point is publicly known:

Code:

04 79BE667E F9DCBBAC 55A06295 CE870B07 029BFCDB 2DCE28D9 59F2815B 16F81798 483ADA77 26A3C465 5DA4FBFC 0E1108A8 FD17B448 A6855419 9C47D08F FB10D4B8

Other than that, there really aren't any prime numbers involved in the process.

thanks for the info

[franky1]

slaveforanunnak1 is also known as 'sol adoni', sollog, bitcoinpro, 247news, ibtimes and about 20 other alt accounts.

he always posts nonsense for random reasons, mostly presumed as boredom or drug induced. and eventually forgotton just as fast as it was read.
ignore the looney, and eventually he will go away

[slaveforanunnak1]

slaveforanunnak1 is also known as 'sol adoni', sollog, bitcoinpro, 247news, ibtimes and about 20 other alt accounts.

he always posts nonsense for random reasons, mostly presumed as boredom or drug induced. and eventually forgotton just as fast as it was read.
ignore the looney, and eventually he will go away

WTF are you talking about? this aint reddit! i only have one account. go look at my other posts.

[franky1]

slaveforanunnak1 is also known as 'sol adoni', sollog, bitcoinpro, 247news, ibtimes and about 20 other alt accounts.

he always posts nonsense for random reasons, mostly presumed as boredom or drug induced. and eventually forgotton just as fast as it was read.
ignore the looney, and eventually he will go away

WTF are you talking about? this aint reddit! i only have one account. go look at my other posts.

linking 247news is instant sign of adoni sock puppet. many people over the years have learnt that 247news is alot of crackpot hogglwash that has no sense of reality to it.

[slaveforanunnak1]

slaveforanunnak1 is also known as 'sol adoni', sollog, bitcoinpro, 247news, ibtimes and about 20 other alt accounts.

he always posts nonsense for random reasons, mostly presumed as boredom or drug induced. and eventually forgotton just as fast as it was read.
ignore the looney, and eventually he will go away

WTF are you talking about? this aint reddit! i only have one account. go look at my other posts.

linking 247news is instant sign of adoni sock puppet. many people over the years have learnt that 247news is alot of crackpot hogglwash that has sense of reality to it.

dude.. im gonna e-smack ya!

it was on reddit! saw it this morning in bed! I decided to ask people here about it since people here are more knoledgeable. I've never heard of sol adoni or 247 news.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/40n8a2/amazon_bans_bitcoin_and_crypto_books_by_dr_adoni/

[franky1]

slaveforanunnak1 is also known as 'sol adoni', sollog, bitcoinpro, 247news, ibtimes and about 20 other alt accounts.

he always posts nonsense for random reasons, mostly presumed as boredom or drug induced. and eventually forgotton just as fast as it was read.
ignore the looney, and eventually he will go away

WTF are you talking about? this aint reddit! i only have one account. go look at my other posts.

linking 247news is instant sign of adoni sock puppet. many people over the years have learnt that 247news is alot of crackpot hogglwash that has no sense of reality to it.

dude.. im gonna e-smack ya!

it was on reddit! saw it this morning in bed! I decided to ask people here about it since people here are more knoledgeable. I've never heard of sol adoni or 247 news.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/40n8a2/amazon_bans_bitcoin_and_crypto_books_by_dr_adoni/

i prefer to be slapped with a wet fish when i do something wrong.
but atleast you now know to not believe anything posted from ibtimes or 247news as its part of some nutters agenda to spread fud and try getting some fake fame.

stick to coindesk and other slightly more reputable sources, and you should stay on track