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January 13, 2016, 05:09:21 PM
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I received BTC from ~PayPal-Trader~ https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=703390 on the forum and he sent me this txn link but I don't see any notification of BTC received in my coinbase wallet.
Can someone pls tell whats wrong here? Shall I pay him or wait for at least 1 confirmation? Can it be reversed?

https://blockchain.info/tx/751da63e633df680db6a29633475d11198bd096d0a75938d74f9b2cccea1da77

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January 13, 2016, 05:17:09 PM
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I received BTC from ~PayPal-Trader~ on the forum and he sent me this txn link but I don't see any notification of BTC received in my coinbase wallet.
Can someone pls tell whats wrong here? Shall I pay him or wait for at least 1 confirmation? Can it be reversed?

https://blockchain.info/address/1Atv5LPgx5auEWnovRua7BwbqoZ6ZFdutE

you should wait for at least one confirmation and please double check the receiving address (i dont kow him.. maybe he is a trusted trader here)

edit: missing word

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January 13, 2016, 05:19:29 PM
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I received BTC from ~PayPal-Trader~ on the forum and he sent me this txn link but I don't see any notification of BTC received in my coinbase wallet.
Can someone pls tell whats wrong here? Shall I pay him or wait for at least 1 confirmation? Can it be reversed?

https://blockchain.info/address/1Atv5LPgx5auEWnovRua7BwbqoZ6ZFdutE

you should wait for at least one confirmation and please double check the receiving address (i dont kow him.. maybe he is a trusted trader here)

edit: missing word
Wallet address seems fine but he sent it w/o fee or with low fee & its still not showing up in my a/c.
Just wondering can this be reversed?

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January 13, 2016, 05:24:30 PM
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I received BTC from ~PayPal-Trader~ on the forum and he sent me this txn link but I don't see any notification of BTC received in my coinbase wallet.
Can someone pls tell whats wrong here? Shall I pay him or wait for at least 1 confirmation? Can it be reversed?

https://blockchain.info/address/1Atv5LPgx5auEWnovRua7BwbqoZ6ZFdutE

you should wait for at least one confirmation and please double check the receiving address (i dont kow him.. maybe he is a trusted trader here)

edit: missing word
Wallet address seems fine but he sent it w/o fee or with low fee & its still not showing up in my a/c.
Just wondering can this be reversed?

Its unconfirmed, so yes it can be dropped by the network and not confirm. I wouldnt do your part unless its confirmed. That is, if you still can.
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January 13, 2016, 06:15:31 PM
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I received BTC from ~PayPal-Trader~ on the forum and he sent me this txn link but I don't see any notification of BTC received in my coinbase wallet.
Can someone pls tell whats wrong here? Shall I pay him or wait for at least 1 confirmation? Can it be reversed?

https://blockchain.info/address/1Atv5LPgx5auEWnovRua7BwbqoZ6ZFdutE

you should wait for at least one confirmation and please double check the receiving address (i dont kow him.. maybe he is a trusted trader here)

edit: missing word
Wallet address seems fine but he sent it w/o fee or with low fee & its still not showing up in my a/c.
Just wondering can this be reversed?

Its unconfirmed, so yes it can be dropped by the network and not confirm. I wouldnt do your part unless its confirmed. That is, if you still can.
Its still unconfirmed even though its more than an hour since he sent this to me.
Can this be some kind of scam?

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January 13, 2016, 07:48:25 PM
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I received BTC from ~PayPal-Trader~ on the forum and he sent me this txn link but I don't see any notification of BTC received in my coinbase wallet.
Can someone pls tell whats wrong here? Shall I pay him or wait for at least 1 confirmation? Can it be reversed?

https://blockchain.info/address/1Atv5LPgx5auEWnovRua7BwbqoZ6ZFdutE

you should wait for at least one confirmation and please double check the receiving address (i dont kow him.. maybe he is a trusted trader here)

edit: missing word
Wallet address seems fine but he sent it w/o fee or with low fee & its still not showing up in my a/c.
Just wondering can this be reversed?

Its unconfirmed, so yes it can be dropped by the network and not confirm. I wouldnt do your part unless its confirmed. That is, if you still can.
Its still unconfirmed even though its more than an hour since he sent this to me.
Can this be some kind of scam?

I dont know, the fee is very low. If you want to make sure the transaction is not forgotten by the network, open the transaction itself (not the address) on blockchain.info and append ?format=hex to the URL.

Like this (should be the one you care about, there are two for the above address though): https://blockchain.info/tx/751da63e633df680db6a29633475d11198bd096d0a75938d74f9b2cccea1da77?format=hex

If you open the URL now you will see the raw transaction.

In this example its

Code:
010000000133583ada5091dd0814ecab26beefde14aba1b9294fb8a9e28325b7a8d8d76106010000006a473044022100f596924707db95cc6e7eb7a6b976974ad0760d1f7f47c3db42a0b0a3306a5142021f039d84c7f7a93320eff9320bc3c93f11999083a022a25731da6b32249ac4c6012102cd0f397b3ad1887a1309f5b0fe914385a23804d484e21e51d9e850f7b23de716ffffffff02b075b100000000001976a9146c8aa6918f38ec13433fb57acc57bb7a44384b1288ac9635a901000000001976a91482f74b865c1646ad742fba51c7e8911a148195f488ac00000000

you can use the raw version to rebroadcast this via different platforms.

Here is a list -> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_broadcasting

If you use bitcoin core you can also do it yourself with:

Code:
sendrawtransaction 010000000133583ada5091dd0814ecab26beefde14aba1b9294fb8a9e28325b7a8d8d76106010000006a473044022100f596924707db95cc6e7eb7a6b976974ad0760d1f7f47c3db42a0b0a3306a5142021f039d84c7f7a93320eff9320bc3c93f11999083a022a25731da6b32249ac4c6012102cd0f397b3ad1887a1309f5b0fe914385a23804d484e21e51d9e850f7b23de716ffffffff02b075b100000000001976a9146c8aa6918f38ec13433fb57acc57bb7a44384b1288ac9635a901000000001976a91482f74b865c1646ad742fba51c7e8911a148195f488ac00000000

from the build in console. It will - due to the low fee - probably return an error though.

Rebroadcasting a TX will make sure its not forgotten which makes it very difficult to double spend. It can still take a long time to get confirmed (think days or weeks with a fee that low).
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January 13, 2016, 08:51:34 PM
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I received BTC from ~PayPal-Trader~ on the forum and he sent me this txn link but I don't see any notification of BTC received in my coinbase wallet.
Can someone pls tell whats wrong here? Shall I pay him or wait for at least 1 confirmation? Can it be reversed?

https://blockchain.info/tx/751da63e633df680db6a29633475d11198bd096d0a75938d74f9b2cccea1da77
he send it with very low fees,you should hold the guy for 1 confirmation of this transaction
it might be a scam attempt













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January 13, 2016, 09:38:44 PM
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Finally it came to my coinbase account 8 minutes back.
http://prntscr.com/9prdo9
Do you guys think it can still be dropped by the n/w or I can pay him now?

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January 13, 2016, 09:41:15 PM
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Finally it came to my coinbase account 8 minutes back.
http://prntscr.com/9prdo9
Do you guys think it can still be dropped by the n/w or I can pay him now?

Still says 0 confirmations.
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January 13, 2016, 09:42:54 PM
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Finally it came to my coinbase account 8 minutes back.
http://prntscr.com/9prdo9
Do you guys think it can still be dropped by the n/w or I can pay him now?

Still says 0 confirmations.
Yeah, still says 0 confirmation but it appeared in my account. Until 12 minutes back it was not even appearing in my wallet.

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January 13, 2016, 10:00:37 PM
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Finally it came to my coinbase account 8 minutes back.
http://prntscr.com/9prdo9
Do you guys think it can still be dropped by the n/w or I can pay him now?

Still says 0 confirmations.
Yeah, still says 0 confirmation but it appeared in my account. Until 12 minutes back it was not even appearing in my wallet.

That just means a full node run by coinbase knows about the transaction. It does not improve the chances to get confirmed. Well, unless coinbase automatically rebroadcasts receiving transactions, but I dont think they do.
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January 14, 2016, 09:28:16 AM
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Finally it came to my coinbase account 8 minutes back.
http://prntscr.com/9prdo9
Do you guys think it can still be dropped by the n/w or I can pay him now?

Still says 0 confirmations.
Yeah, still says 0 confirmation but it appeared in my account. Until 12 minutes back it was not even appearing in my wallet.

That just means a full node run by coinbase knows about the transaction. It does not improve the chances to get confirmed. Well, unless coinbase automatically rebroadcasts receiving transactions, but I dont think they do.

Nothing in my wallet yet. It still has 0 confirmations and there are 99.99% chances that network will drop this txn and he'll get it back.
Now I understood, he was are trying to do. He was trying to scam users by sending them BTC w/o appropriate fee and hoping that its gets dropped by the n/w and he get money as well as your BTC back.



Shall I move this thread under Scam Accusations?

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January 14, 2016, 09:59:51 AM
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Finally it came to my coinbase account 8 minutes back.
http://prntscr.com/9prdo9
Do you guys think it can still be dropped by the n/w or I can pay him now?

Still says 0 confirmations.
Yeah, still says 0 confirmation but it appeared in my account. Until 12 minutes back it was not even appearing in my wallet.

That just means a full node run by coinbase knows about the transaction. It does not improve the chances to get confirmed. Well, unless coinbase automatically rebroadcasts receiving transactions, but I dont think they do.

Nothing in my wallet yet. It still has 0 confirmations and there are 99.99% chances that network will drop this txn and he'll get it back.
Now I understood, he was are trying to do. He was trying to scam users by sending them BTC w/o appropriate fee and hoping that its gets dropped by the n/w and he get money as well as your BTC back.



Shall I move this thread under Scam Accusations?

If you think this was done intentionally you can open a thread in scam accusation with the usual format there. I would keep this as it is or use it to follow up on the technical details.

You can also instead of just keep pushing the TX, spend the coins you received and pay a fee high enough for both TX (known as child pays for parent - CPFP) or contact a pool operator directly and ask if they would include the TX (or the TX and the CPFP TX). Im not sure if coinbase allows spending unconfirmed coins though, so that might not be an option.
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If you think this was done intentionally you can open a thread in scam accusation with the usual format there. I would keep this as it is or use it to follow up on the technical details.

You can also instead of just keep pushing the TX, spend the coins you received and pay a fee high enough for both TX (known as child pays for parent - CPFP) or contact a pool operator directly and ask if they would include the TX (or the TX and the CPFP TX). Im not sure if coinbase allows spending unconfirmed coins though, so that might not be an option.
I have dropped him a PM telling him the same. Lets wait for him to reply on this thread or in PM.
Coinbase does not allows me to spend coins which are not confirmed. So, I can not do anything with these coins until they are confirmed.

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January 14, 2016, 12:14:57 PM
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if you still have not paid him, This is what you worry?
I think  with so fee , you'll never get btc, and
a high probability that he made a conscious, he never replied to my offer...
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if you still have not paid him, This is what you worry?
I think  with so fee , you'll never get btc, and
a high probability that he made a conscious, he never replied to my offer...
I was worried that I held payment of a genuine trader for no reason but it turns out that he's not genuine and it was very good decision to not pay him as soon as he gave me this txn link.

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There is high chance that this tx will be dropped by the network. Hopefully you haven't sent money to him. If he is a bitcoin, he should know that the minimus fees at least should be 1000Satoshi. Then I think he intentionally scam you.

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January 14, 2016, 12:25:49 PM
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There is high chance that this tx will be dropped by the network. Hopefully you haven't sent money to him. If he is a bitcoin, he should know that the minimus fees at least should be 1000Satoshi. Then I think he intentionally scam you.
Good thing was I did not send him money though he pressurized me a lot by giving this link.
I guess my instincts were right but this was the 1st time I was deceived like this. Now, I gotta be even more careful & see the amount of fee sender paid for the txn before releasing their payment.

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January 14, 2016, 12:46:14 PM
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~PayPal-Trader~ is this the guy?

yep, highly a scam attempt, the possible scammer is using a newbie account and posts in the currency section. Likely a scammer hunting for newbie bitcoiners.
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January 14, 2016, 12:47:20 PM
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~PayPal-Trader~ is this the guy?

yep, highly a scam attempt, the possible scammer is using a newbie account and posts in the currency section. Likely a scammer hunting for newbie bitcoiners.
Yep, he is the guy.
Edit: Updated OP with the profile link.

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Fees   0.0000001 BTC  Shocked Shocked this will take some time to be confirmed
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January 14, 2016, 01:33:32 PM
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Sender trusted jr member with 0.11 or 0.27BTC with 10 satishi fees. Hopefully the transaction will get confirmed and Op could run away with the money, could buy a sr member account with that money. Angry Sender's scam attempt will fail.

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January 14, 2016, 01:37:47 PM
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Sender trusted jr member with 0.11 or 0.27BTC with 10 satishi fees. Hopefully the transaction will get confirmed and Op could run away with the money, could buy a sr member account with that money. Angry Sender's scam attempt will fail.
Are you out of your mind? Why the hell would I create a thread if I had to scam him?
As soon as the txn is confirmed, I will send him his money.

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January 14, 2016, 02:07:17 PM
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Sender trusted jr member with 0.11 or 0.27BTC with 10 satishi fees. Hopefully the transaction will get confirmed and Op could run away with the money, could buy a sr member account with that money. Angry Sender's scam attempt will fail.

There is no trick from my side , i have been trading in paypal and this is fourth time i am trading in bitcoin.
I know now that sardasa will run away with bitcoins that i have sent him , but i will wait for the transaction to confirm .
I am regretting not to use escrow.
Meanwhile i know sardasa , he is on TBN.

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January 14, 2016, 02:10:53 PM
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Sender trusted jr member with 0.11 or 0.27BTC with 10 satishi fees. Hopefully the transaction will get confirmed and Op could run away with the money, could buy a sr member account with that money. Angry Sender's scam attempt will fail.

There is no trick from my side , i have been trading in paypal and this is fourth time i am trading in bitcoin.
I know now that sardasa will run away with bitcoins that i have sent him , but i will wait for the transaction to confirm .
I am regretting not to use escrow.
Meanwhile i know sardasa , he is on TBN.


If you know me from TBN, then you must also know that I am not going to run away with $50. I have had much bigger deals and never been accused of running away.
Its your mess & you should take responsibility of it instead of blaming me!

What could have escrow done in this case? If he had not received BTC in his wallet then he would not have let me send you money. No escrow would let buyer send money unless BTC txn gets at least 1 confirmation.

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January 14, 2016, 02:13:37 PM
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You have to wait until it tx is confirmed. Nothing you can do about this.

Not like other payment method, bitcoin is irreversible.

Or you can create a new watch address on blockchain.info about your address.

So you know when you receive the bitcoin.
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January 14, 2016, 02:14:09 PM
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Sender trusted jr member with 0.11 or 0.27BTC with 10 satishi fees. Hopefully the transaction will get confirmed and Op could run away with the money, could buy a sr member account with that money. Angry Sender's scam attempt will fail.

There is no trick from my side , i have been trading in paypal and this is fourth time i am trading in bitcoin.
I know now that sardasa will run away with bitcoins that i have sent him , but i will wait for the transaction to confirm .
I am regretting not to use escrow.
Meanwhile i know sardasa , he is on TBN.


If you know me from TBN, then you must also know that I am not going to run away with $50. I have had much bigger deals and never been accused of running away.
Its your mess & you should take responsibility of it instead of blaming me!

What could have escrow done in this case? If he had not received BTC in his wallet then he would not have let me send you money. No escrow would let buyer send money unless BTC txn gets at least 1 confirmation.

There is no blame from my side , it is you who is screaming and blaming , Grow Up , I am waiting for txn to get confirm.
sagar...
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January 14, 2016, 02:16:38 PM
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Sender trusted jr member with 0.11 or 0.27BTC with 10 satishi fees. Hopefully the transaction will get confirmed and Op could run away with the money, could buy a sr member account with that money. Angry Sender's scam attempt will fail.

There is no trick from my side , i have been trading in paypal and this is fourth time i am trading in bitcoin.
I know now that sardasa will run away with bitcoins that i have sent him , but i will wait for the transaction to confirm .
I am regretting not to use escrow.
Meanwhile i know sardasa , he is on TBN.


If you know me from TBN, then you must also know that I am not going to run away with $50. I have had much bigger deals and never been accused of running away.
Its your mess & you should take responsibility of it instead of blaming me!

What could have escrow done in this case? If he had not received BTC in his wallet then he would not have let me send you money. No escrow would let buyer send money unless BTC txn gets at least 1 confirmation.

There is no blame from my side , it is you who is screaming and blaming , Grow Up , I am waiting for txn to get confirm.
sagar...

You were the who were pressurizing me yesterday to pay you after you sent me this txn link.
As soon as the txn is confirmed I'll pay you as per the BTC price at the time it gets confirmed or refund your BTC (whatever would suit both of us at that time)

Edit:

There is no trick from my side , i have been trading in paypal and this is fourth time i am trading in bitcoin.
I know now that sardasa will run away with bitcoins that i have sent him , but i will wait for the transaction to confirm .
I am regretting not to use escrow.
Meanwhile i know sardasa , he is on TBN.

If the highlighted line is not blame then what is it?

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January 14, 2016, 02:18:44 PM
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Sender trusted jr member with 0.11 or 0.27BTC with 10 satishi fees. Hopefully the transaction will get confirmed and Op could run away with the money, could buy a sr member account with that money. Angry Sender's scam attempt will fail.

There is no trick from my side , i have been trading in paypal and this is fourth time i am trading in bitcoin.
I know now that sardasa will run away with bitcoins that i have sent him , but i will wait for the transaction to confirm .
I am regretting not to use escrow.
Meanwhile i know sardasa , he is on TBN.


If you know me from TBN, then you must also know that I am not going to run away with $50. I have had much bigger deals and never been accused of running away.
Its your mess & you should take responsibility of it instead of blaming me!

What could have escrow done in this case? If he had not received BTC in his wallet then he would not have let me send you money. No escrow would let buyer send money unless BTC txn gets at least 1 confirmation.

There is no blame from my side , it is you who is screaming and blaming , Grow Up , I am waiting for txn to get confirm.
sagar...

You were the who were pressurizing me yesterday to pay you after you sent me this txn link.
As soon as the txn is confirmed I'll pay you as per the BTC price at the time it gets confirmed or refund your BTC (whatever would suit both of us at that time)

Okay , i am done with you , please refund my coins as soon as you get the confirmation and do add a fee 0f 0.0001 btc and deduce from the amount that i sent you.
thank you and please don't pm me .
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January 14, 2016, 02:20:57 PM
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Sender trusted jr member with 0.11 or 0.27BTC with 10 satishi fees. Hopefully the transaction will get confirmed and Op could run away with the money, could buy a sr member account with that money. Angry Sender's scam attempt will fail.

There is no trick from my side , i have been trading in paypal and this is fourth time i am trading in bitcoin.
I know now that sardasa will run away with bitcoins that i have sent him , but i will wait for the transaction to confirm .
I am regretting not to use escrow.
Meanwhile i know sardasa , he is on TBN.


If you know me from TBN, then you must also know that I am not going to run away with $50. I have had much bigger deals and never been accused of running away.
Its your mess & you should take responsibility of it instead of blaming me!

What could have escrow done in this case? If he had not received BTC in his wallet then he would not have let me send you money. No escrow would let buyer send money unless BTC txn gets at least 1 confirmation.

There is no blame from my side , it is you who is screaming and blaming , Grow Up , I am waiting for txn to get confirm.
sagar...

You were the who were pressurizing me yesterday to pay you after you sent me this txn link.
As soon as the txn is confirmed I'll pay you as per the BTC price at the time it gets confirmed or refund your BTC (whatever would suit both of us at that time)

Okay , i am done with you , please refund my coins as soon as you get the confirmation and do add a fee 0f 0.0001 btc and deduce from the amount that i sent you.
thank you and please don't pm me .

Leave your BTC address where you would like to get this refund. You'll get it as soon this txn is confirmed. I am deriving any pleasure from PMing you. Feel free to block my PMs.

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January 14, 2016, 02:26:00 PM
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Okay this is refund address: 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc
I don't feel like blaming you or blocking you , what i felt bad was that you called me scammer , and this i don't like , because i am as legit as you are.
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January 14, 2016, 02:42:47 PM
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Okay this is refund address: 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc
I don't feel like blaming you or blocking you , what i felt bad was that you called me scammer , and this i don't like , because i am as legit as you are.

I recon I should stop rebroadcasting this TX now, right? It very likely will be forgotten by the network without it.

What wallet service/software are you using?

Edit: Just to clarify the fee you set is reckless, if you did not set it yourself, the wallet you use is badly designed. You may have acted in good faith, but you should not be surprised that someone thinks this is shady.
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January 14, 2016, 02:51:03 PM
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~PayPal-Trader~ is this the guy?

yep, highly a scam attempt, the possible scammer is using a newbie account and posts in the currency section. Likely a scammer hunting for newbie bitcoiners.

He also only wants Skrill?

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January 14, 2016, 02:53:56 PM
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Okay this is refund address: 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc
I don't feel like blaming you or blocking you , what i felt bad was that you called me scammer , and this i don't like , because i am as legit as you are.

...and the only other time that wallet 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc is mentioned here at BCT is when it shows up in this message by someone else....

Sudah diupdate oleh OP screenshots conversation skypenya. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1302139.0
Address: 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc
Tx: https://blockchain.info/tx/988f373c4aa791f08afe42178567364664989970f9945f4f047f98610179b41e
Skype username: chemy

23 Desember 2015, ada scam accusation juga yang pelakunya memakai skype username chemy. Disini https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1300716.0

Misal akun Kemben benar dihack, hackernya tidak mengganti password dan email. Berarti dihack setidaknya dari tanggal 24 Desember sampai 31 Desember. Lihat sent feedback akunnya Kemben,



Ada 3 feedback yang dikirim ke beberapa user pada saat dihack.

Edit: Sudah PM ghibly79, katanya tidak pernah ada PM dari Kemben, dan tidak ada transaksi Skrill-BTC yang besarnya 0.32 pada hari itu. Kemungkinan besar feedbacknya palsu.

~PayPal-Trader~ is an Alt of ? ? ?

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January 14, 2016, 03:04:20 PM
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Okay this is refund address: 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc
I don't feel like blaming you or blocking you , what i felt bad was that you called me scammer , and this i don't like , because i am as legit as you are.

...and the only other time that wallet 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc is mentioned here at BCT is when it shows up in this message by someone else....

Sudah diupdate oleh OP screenshots conversation skypenya. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1302139.0
Address: 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc
Tx: https://blockchain.info/tx/988f373c4aa791f08afe42178567364664989970f9945f4f047f98610179b41e
Skype username: chemy

23 Desember 2015, ada scam accusation juga yang pelakunya memakai skype username chemy. Disini https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1300716.0

Misal akun Kemben benar dihack, hackernya tidak mengganti password dan email. Berarti dihack setidaknya dari tanggal 24 Desember sampai 31 Desember. Lihat sent feedback akunnya Kemben,



Ada 3 feedback yang dikirim ke beberapa user pada saat dihack.

Edit: Sudah PM ghibly79, katanya tidak pernah ada PM dari Kemben, dan tidak ada transaksi Skrill-BTC yang besarnya 0.32 pada hari itu. Kemungkinan besar feedbacknya palsu.

~PayPal-Trader~ is an Alt of ? ? ?

So sardasa can partiall refund the btc to Pasaris?
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January 14, 2016, 03:04:59 PM
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Okay this is refund address: 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc
I don't feel like blaming you or blocking you , what i felt bad was that you called me scammer , and this i don't like , because i am as legit as you are.

I recon I should stop rebroadcasting this TX now, right? It very likely will be forgotten by the network without it.

What wallet service/software are you using?

Edit: Just to clarify the fee you set is reckless, if you did not set it yourself, the wallet you use is badly designed. You may have acted in good faith, but you should not be surprised that someone thinks this is shady.
No, please do not stop. Rebroadcast it and hopefully it will confirm soon and I'll refund him the BTC and get over with this.

~PayPal-Trader~ is this the guy?

yep, highly a scam attempt, the possible scammer is using a newbie account and posts in the currency section. Likely a scammer hunting for newbie bitcoiners.

He also only wants Skrill?

Yes.

Okay this is refund address: 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc
I don't feel like blaming you or blocking you , what i felt bad was that you called me scammer , and this i don't like , because i am as legit as you are.

...and the only other time that wallet 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc is mentioned here at BCT is when it shows up in this message by someone else....

Sudah diupdate oleh OP screenshots conversation skypenya. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1302139.0
Address: 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc
Tx: https://blockchain.info/tx/988f373c4aa791f08afe42178567364664989970f9945f4f047f98610179b41e
Skype username: chemy

23 Desember 2015, ada scam accusation juga yang pelakunya memakai skype username chemy. Disini https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1300716.0

Misal akun Kemben benar dihack, hackernya tidak mengganti password dan email. Berarti dihack setidaknya dari tanggal 24 Desember sampai 31 Desember. Lihat sent feedback akunnya Kemben,



Ada 3 feedback yang dikirim ke beberapa user pada saat dihack.

Edit: Sudah PM ghibly79, katanya tidak pernah ada PM dari Kemben, dan tidak ada transaksi Skrill-BTC yang besarnya 0.32 pada hari itu. Kemungkinan besar feedbacknya palsu.

~PayPal-Trader~ is an Alt of ? ? ?

That's an interesting find. We should wait for ~PayPal-Trader~ to reply on this.

Okay this is refund address: 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc
I don't feel like blaming you or blocking you , what i felt bad was that you called me scammer , and this i don't like , because i am as legit as you are.

...and the only other time that wallet 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc is mentioned here at BCT is when it shows up in this message by someone else....

Sudah diupdate oleh OP screenshots conversation skypenya. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1302139.0
Address: 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc
Tx: https://blockchain.info/tx/988f373c4aa791f08afe42178567364664989970f9945f4f047f98610179b41e
Skype username: chemy

23 Desember 2015, ada scam accusation juga yang pelakunya memakai skype username chemy. Disini https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1300716.0

Misal akun Kemben benar dihack, hackernya tidak mengganti password dan email. Berarti dihack setidaknya dari tanggal 24 Desember sampai 31 Desember. Lihat sent feedback akunnya Kemben,



Ada 3 feedback yang dikirim ke beberapa user pada saat dihack.

Edit: Sudah PM ghibly79, katanya tidak pernah ada PM dari Kemben, dan tidak ada transaksi Skrill-BTC yang besarnya 0.32 pada hari itu. Kemungkinan besar feedbacknya palsu.

~PayPal-Trader~ is an Alt of ? ? ?

So sardasa can partiall refund the btc to Pasaris?

You're saying Alt of ~PayPal-Trader~ scammed some one called Pasaris and once this BTC gets confirmed, I should refund that much amount to Pasaris and rest to ~PayPal-Trader~ ?

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January 14, 2016, 03:08:21 PM
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OK, it looks like they were talking about Skype user chemy who's name lights up BCT talk too...

...but I cant tie that wallet 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc to him (chemy) just yet.

OTOH

chemy https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=651944

has used the wallet 14PEM2XATEfefg9J4HoNqKuLQc9bLpccGY

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BTC Address: 14PEM2XATEfefg9J4HoNqKuLQc9bLpccGY

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14PEM2XATEfefg9J4HoNqKuLQc9bLpccGY First posted on: January 14, 2016, 12:35:32 PM

and Quickseller states that as an Alts of Engg.Chaks https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1275297.0

benq1 has 14PEM2XATEfefg9J4HoNqKuLQc9bLpccGY in his profile (archive).

So Scammer Family Tree for wallet 14PEM2XATEfefg9J4HoNqKuLQc9bLpccGY Engg.Chaks -> benq1 -> chemy
 
thank indirectly to Quickseller...

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-snip-
You're saying Alt of ~PayPal-Trader~ scammed some one called Pasaris and once this BTC gets confirmed, I should refund that much amount to Pasaris and rest to ~PayPal-Trader~ ?

Read this, compare the addresses -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1302139.msg13426408#msg13426408

Not that is ok in your book, its up to you once the TX confirms.
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-snip-
You're saying Alt of ~PayPal-Trader~ scammed some one called Pasaris and once this BTC gets confirmed, I should refund that much amount to Pasaris and rest to ~PayPal-Trader~ ?

Read this, compare the addresses -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1302139.msg13426408#msg13426408

Not that is ok in your book, its up to you once the TX confirms.

Okay this is refund address: 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc
I don't feel like blaming you or blocking you , what i felt bad was that you called me scammer , and this i don't like , because i am as legit as you are.

@~PayPal-Trader~ : Would you please say something against this scam accusation or you admit scamming him & were trying to scam me too ?

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January 14, 2016, 03:56:52 PM
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Fees   0.0000001 BTC  Shocked Shocked this will take some time to be confirmed
99.9% that never Smiley with 0.00000374 BTC fee I have wait week or two, after several time  rebroadcasting.
So I suggesting stop rebroadcasting in this case.
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January 14, 2016, 03:58:17 PM
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Fees   0.0000001 BTC  Shocked Shocked this will take some time to be confirmed
99.9% that never Smiley with 0.00000374 BTC fee I have wait week or two, after several time  rebroadcasting.
So I suggesting stop rebroadcasting in this case.
Stop re-broadcasting & wait for it get confirmed or dropped by the n/w?

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Sender trusted jr member with 0.11 or 0.27BTC with 10 satishi fees. Hopefully the transaction will get confirmed and Op could run away with the money, could buy a sr member account with that money. Angry Sender's scam attempt will fail.

There is no trick from my side , i have been trading in paypal and this is fourth time i am trading in bitcoin.
I know now that sardasa will run away with bitcoins that i have sent him , but i will wait for the transaction to confirm .
I am regretting not to use escrow.
Meanwhile i know sardasa , he is on TBN.



Okay this is refund address: 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc
I don't feel like blaming you or blocking you , what i felt bad was that you called me scammer , and this i don't like , because i am as legit as you are.

https://blockchain.info/address/1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc
This address has 3 pages of transactions on blockchain.info and you say that this was your 4th txn involving bitcoin. You are caught red handed dude. No point of pretending to be innocent now.
Everyone knows you are a scammer.

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January 14, 2016, 05:13:23 PM
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There is no way that transaction will ever confirm after several rebroadcasting.

Op can do one thing, since you have not paid him on Skrill you can stop communicating with him. Either way he will get his BTC back after 24 hours.
So no harm is done in that case.

Next time trade with a trusted member here.
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January 14, 2016, 05:15:34 PM
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There is no way that transaction will ever confirm after several rebroadcasting.

Op can do one thing, since you have not paid him on Skrill you can stop communicating with him. Either way he will get his BTC back after 24 hours.
So no harm is done in that case.

Next time trade with a trusted member here.
How would I know that the txn has been dropped by the n/w?
Anyways, its more than 24 hours now since he sent me BTC and I have not rebroadcasted it even once.

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January 14, 2016, 05:59:13 PM
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There is no way that transaction will ever confirm after several rebroadcasting.

Op can do one thing, since you have not paid him on Skrill you can stop communicating with him. Either way he will get his BTC back after 24 hours.
So no harm is done in that case.

Next time trade with a trusted member here.
How would I know that the txn has been dropped by the n/w?
Anyways, its more than 24 hours now since he sent me BTC and I have not rebroadcasted it even once.

that can take several day, to transaction could be cancelled.
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How would I know that the txn has been dropped by the n/w?
Anyways, its more than 24 hours now since he sent me BTC and I have not rebroadcasted it even once.

Just leave it there already. No need to rebroadcast again.



Your final balance will automatically show zero after it gets rejected by the network (https://blockchain.info/address/1Atv5LPgx5auEWnovRua7BwbqoZ6ZFdutE)




I am sorry sir , i wanted to trade with you but this sardasa told that i can trade with him and told to send first , i am new to bitcoin so i sent first with minimum fee , and now transaction is unconfirmed , i am waiting for transaction to confirm , and hope Sardasa will not scam me.

Funny thing is, he sent btc earlier and after doing 141 successful transactions he becomes totally unaware of transaction fees.
Poor scam attempt. Roll Eyes
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January 14, 2016, 06:13:55 PM
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-snip-
Poor scam attempt. Roll Eyes

Which brings us back to the question which of the following is the preferred action.

If the network forgets about the transaction and the scammer has not lost anything
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If the transaction is rebroadcasted until it is confirmed even though it might take a few weeks.

After all anyone that knows about the transaction has the power to remind the network about it.
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Which brings us back to the question which of the following is the preferred action.

If the network forgets about the transaction and the scammer has not lost anything
-OR-
If the transaction is rebroadcasted until it is confirmed even though it might take a few weeks.

How can he make a mistake all of a sudden when he had already confirmed outbound transactions with 0.0001 BTC fee? For example --- https://blockchain.info/tx/6e17e39d4bf8a0c431c5f762ed140acb883b056609ee880938e3f886992f68f5

Prolly none other than a scam attempt IMHO.

After all anyone that knows about the transaction has the power to remind the network about it.

That's why I already advised op not to rebroadcast it because he has not sent him anything on Skrill and the transaction will obviously get cancelled if no reminder is attempted on the network.
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Which brings us back to the question which of the following is the preferred action.

If the network forgets about the transaction and the scammer has not lost anything
-OR-
If the transaction is rebroadcasted until it is confirmed even though it might take a few weeks.

How can he make a mistake all of a sudden when he had already confirmed outbound transactions with 0.0001 BTC fee? For example --- https://blockchain.info/tx/6e17e39d4bf8a0c431c5f762ed140acb883b056609ee880938e3f886992f68f5

Prolly none other than a scam attempt IMHO.

After all anyone that knows about the transaction has the power to remind the network about it.

That's why I already advised op not to rebroadcast it because he has not sent him anything on Skrill and the transaction will obviously get cancelled if no reminder is attempted on the network.

Maybe I wasnt clear enough. ~PayPal-Trader~ scammed 0.1457 BTC. Lets assume you are sardasa here. The TX would give you 0.1163 btc from the scammer. Would you return the 0.1163 btc to the scammer or the victim of one of their scams?
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Maybe I wasnt clear enough. ~PayPal-Trader~ scammed 0.1457 BTC. Lets assume you are sardasa here. The TX would give you 0.1163 btc from the scammer. Would you return the 0.1163 btc to the scammer or the victim of one of their scams?

If the txn gets confirmed then I would probably send this funds to theymos and let him decide what to do with it. What do you guys say?

Now when its confirmed that he is a scammer then I can make his Skrll id public which he gave me: sad.kunal@gmail.com
Maybe some one can link this one also with other scams.

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Maybe I wasnt clear enough. ~PayPal-Trader~ scammed 0.1457 BTC. Lets assume you are sardasa here. The TX would give you 0.1163 btc from the scammer.

The TX would not give me (~ if I were sardasa) 0.1163 btc in first place. It is obviously (99.9% chance) going to bounce anyways if no rebroadcasts are ensued within a week.

Would you return the 0.1163 btc to the scammer or the victim of one of their scams?

If by chance it reaches that wallet I (representing sardasa here) will surely return it to the address where it came from. No questions thereafter.
I don't know what sardasa might do in that case. Oh well, he posted that before me.
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Okay this is refund address: 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc
I don't feel like blaming you or blocking you , what i felt bad was that you called me scammer , and this i don't like , because i am as legit as you are.

...and the only other time that wallet 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc is mentioned here at BCT is when it shows up in this message by someone else....

Sudah diupdate oleh OP screenshots conversation skypenya. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1302139.0
Address: 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc
Tx: https://blockchain.info/tx/988f373c4aa791f08afe42178567364664989970f9945f4f047f98610179b41e
Skype username: chemy

23 Desember 2015, ada scam accusation juga yang pelakunya memakai skype username chemy. Disini https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1300716.0

Misal akun Kemben benar dihack, hackernya tidak mengganti password dan email. Berarti dihack setidaknya dari tanggal 24 Desember sampai 31 Desember. Lihat sent feedback akunnya Kemben,



Ada 3 feedback yang dikirim ke beberapa user pada saat dihack.

Edit: Sudah PM ghibly79, katanya tidak pernah ada PM dari Kemben, dan tidak ada transaksi Skrill-BTC yang besarnya 0.32 pada hari itu. Kemungkinan besar feedbacknya palsu.

~PayPal-Trader~ is an Alt of ? ? ?

Thanks for letting me this know.
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January 15, 2016, 06:12:07 PM
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Looks like the TX was double spend

https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/tx/7b6fc27f7c47102a4507352754b5c00c74b72c78ad5e846e5b07299ca60929b9
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Can you please explain what exactly it mean?

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~PayPal-Trader~ created a different TX spending the same coins but paying a higher fee. That TX was confirmed, thus the TX sending coins to you is now invalid, as well as the other TX following it. ~PayPal-Trader~ had several TX after yours that used the change from yours. I would not be surprised if they took the opportunity to scam someone else with this. Some of the later even had high fees, suggesting a quick confirmation.

You however will not receive the coins and will need to contact coinbase so the TX does not show in your account.
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~PayPal-Trader~ created a different TX spending the same coins but paying a higher fee. That TX was confirmed, thus the TX sending coins to you is now invalid, as well as the other TX following it. ~PayPal-Trader~ had several TX after yours that used the change from yours. I would not be surprised if they took the opportunity to scam someone else with this. Some of the later even had high fees, suggesting a quick confirmation.

You however will not receive the coins and will need to contact coinbase so the TX does not show in your account.

What kind of shitty wallet is this which allows same coins to be spent twice.
I have contacted coinbase https://community.coinbase.com/t/received-bitcoin-in-pending-since-more-than-2-days/9636 and now waiting for their reply.

I see Coinbase is way better here as:

I do not have option of setting fee, they decide it themselves.
I cannot spend the coins unless they are confirmed
I cannot send the same coin again to anyone once they leave my wallet.

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~PayPal-Trader~ created a different TX spending the same coins but paying a higher fee. That TX was confirmed, thus the TX sending coins to you is now invalid, as well as the other TX following it. ~PayPal-Trader~ had several TX after yours that used the change from yours. I would not be surprised if they took the opportunity to scam someone else with this. Some of the later even had high fees, suggesting a quick confirmation.

You however will not receive the coins and will need to contact coinbase so the TX does not show in your account.

What kind of shitty wallet is this which allows same coins to be spent twice.
I have contacted coinbase https://community.coinbase.com/t/received-bitcoin-in-pending-since-more-than-2-days/9636 and now waiting for their reply.

I see Coinbase is way better here as I do not have option of setting fee, they decide it themselves.
I can not spend the coins unless they are confirmed
I cannot send the same coin again to anyone once they leave my wallet.

AFAIK no wallet allows this, but most local clients can be modified to forget the 1st transaction. Since it does not know about it, there is no reason for the wallet to lock the funds.
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AFAIK no wallet allows this, but most local clients can be modified to forget the 1st transaction. Since it does not know about it, there is no reason for the wallet to lock the funds.

This guy seems to be an expert scammer. He knows a lot about how the system can be misused.

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AFAIK no wallet allows this, but most local clients can be modified to forget the 1st transaction. Since it does not know about it, there is no reason for the wallet to lock the funds.

This guy seems to be expert scammer. He knows a lot about how can the system be misused.

Its not that difficult, I probably have given the advice how to double spend a TX several times myself. A simple google search on the forum will easily result in several step by step guides how to do it. Its often used to create the same TX (sending the coins to the same person), but with a higher fee. As long as you dont start accepting unconfirmed transactions you dont have to worry about it. Double spends are currently difficult, but they might get easier with the next version of bitcoin core (0.12). I still have to read more about it though.
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AFAIK no wallet allows this, but most local clients can be modified to forget the 1st transaction. Since it does not know about it, there is no reason for the wallet to lock the funds.

This guy seems to be expert scammer. He knows a lot about how can the system be misused.

Its not that difficult, I probably have given the advice how to double spend a TX several times myself. A simple google search on the forum will easily result in several step by step guides how to do it. Its often used to create the same TX (sending the coins to the same person), but with a higher fee. As long as you dont start accepting unconfirmed transactions you dont have to worry about it. Double spends are currently difficult, but they might get easier with the next version of bitcoin core (0.12). I still have to read more about it though.

What can be genuine benefits of double spending the same coin other then being misused like the way its been here?

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What can be genuine benefits of double spending the same coin other then being misused like the way its been here?

Double spends aren't having any benefits. Double-spending is the result of successfully spending some money more than once. Bitcoin protects against double spending by verifying each transaction added to the block chain to ensure that the inputs for the transaction had not previously been spent.

Other electronic systems prevent double-spending by having a master authoritative source that follows business rules for authorizing each transaction. Bitcoin uses a decentralized system, where a consensus among nodes following the same protocol is substituted for a central authority.

Bitcoin has some exposure to fraudulent double-spending when a transaction is first made, with less and less risk as a transaction gains confirmations.

Traders and merchants who accept a payment immediately on seeing "0/unconfirmed" are exposed to a double-spend occurring, if there was a fraudulent attempt that successfully communicated one transaction to the merchant yet communicated a different transaction that spends the same coin that was first to eventually make it into the block chain.

Merchants can take precautions (e.g., disable incoming connections, only connect to well connected nodes) to lessen the risk of a race attack but the risk cannot be eliminated. Therefore, the cost/benefit of the risk needs to be considered when accepting payment on 0/unconfirmed when there is no recourse against the attacker.

Here's an example of how macbook-air (owner of F2pool) had successfully double spent $10000 against OKPAY!
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What can be genuine benefits of double spending the same coin other then being misused like the way its been here?

Double spends aren't having any benefits. Double-spending is the result of successfully spending some money more than once. Bitcoin protects against double spending by verifying each transaction added to the block chain to ensure that the inputs for the transaction had not previously been spent.

For one, its only called a double spend, the value has not actually been spend twice. The first transaction became invalid and thus the same coins have only be confirmed once.

Other electronic systems prevent double-spending by having a master authoritative source that follows business rules for authorizing each transaction. Bitcoin uses a decentralized system, where a consensus among nodes following the same protocol is substituted for a central authority.

Bitcoin has some exposure to fraudulent double-spending when a transaction is first made, with less and less risk as a transaction gains confirmations.

After one confirmation you would need to find a competing block for the one that has confirmed the transaction. This is only possible with certainty if you hold over 50% of the networks hashpower. There is no "less and less risk" its a significantly drop from unconfirmed (can be double spend with a few simple steps as long as the conditions are right) to 1 confirmation (you need more hashpower than the rest of the world).

Traders and merchants who accept a payment immediately on seeing "0/unconfirmed" are exposed to a double-spend occurring, if there was a fraudulent attempt that successfully communicated one transaction to the merchant yet communicated a different transaction that spends the same coin that was first to eventually make it into the block chain.

Merchants can take precautions (e.g., disable incoming connections, only connect to well connected nodes)

That does not help, what you have in mind is a sybil attack. A sybil attack can be used to make a double spend simple, but its - again - very resource heavy (you need enough full nodes to fill all connections of the merchant) and would be hardly worth the effort for transactions commonly accepted without confirmation.

The best way to mitigate a double spend for a merchant is to constantly rebroadcast the TX or as e.g. bitpay does have direct deals with big mining pools.

to lessen the risk of a race attack but the risk cannot be eliminated. Therefore, the cost/benefit of the risk needs to be considered when accepting payment on 0/unconfirmed when there is no recourse against the attacker.

Here's an example of how macbook-air (owner of F2pool) had successfully double spent $10000 against OKPAY!

They used a very specific network state, the 0.8 fork, this is not something you can repeat daily. The window was small and known in advance.

-snip-
Was only an issue while there were two chains; ie, for a couple hours last night. The possibility was well-known, which is why it was recommended that merchants, exchanges, etc, stop taking payments/deposits until the issue was resolved, which it now is.

-snip-
What can be genuine benefits of double spending the same coin other then being misused like the way its been here?

Increase the fees on an otherwise stuck transaction. Usually you want double spends to be hard though, because if its too easy you cant accept unconfirmed transactions and bitcoin would slow down even further and be useless for small transfers to e.g. buy a coffee. No one is willing to wait 10 minutes for a coffee.
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Got coins recovered and scammed a guy with 600 euro skrill.
I am.now running nodes and I can somewhat control transactions like triple spending , reverse transaction within 24 hours.

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Scammed 367 usd with bit-trader method.

Yep!

Just triple spent the 0.42btc, none of the transaction will be ever confirmed.. And I am already with high profit.


Thanks to bit-trader
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Scammed 367 usd with bit-trader method.

Yep!

Just triple spent the 0.42btc, none of the transaction will be ever confirmed.. And I am already with high profit.


Thanks to bit-trader

Low life scammer!

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Scammed 367 usd with bit-trader method.

Yep!

Just triple spent the 0.42btc, none of the transaction will be ever confirmed.. And I am already with high profit.


Thanks to bit-trader

Even after admitting it openly here that you are a scammer, you still have the guts to bump your thread, lock it and then deal with users via PM.
You are nothing more than fucking piece of shit!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1325016.msg13607783#msg13607783

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Thank you for this information. He recently pm me engaging myself into a trade and I saw his negative trust referring to this thread.
Thanks a lot for saving me from scamming. I think he is targeting newbies.
Glad this post helped someone from getting scammed Smiley

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uhhm You were already aware trading BTC with Paypal is against the TOS
so no i don't feel sorry for any you getting burned.

what happens when the guy with the PP account get s locked out ?
Then what ?

Start using your brains guy..

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Okay this is refund address: 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc
I don't feel like blaming you or blocking you , what i felt bad was that you called me scammer , and this i don't like , because i am as legit as you are.

...and the only other time that wallet 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc is mentioned here at BCT is when it shows up in this message by someone else....

Sudah diupdate oleh OP screenshots conversation skypenya. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1302139.0
Address: 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc
Tx: https://blockchain.info/tx/988f373c4aa791f08afe42178567364664989970f9945f4f047f98610179b41e
Skype username: chemy

23 Desember 2015, ada scam accusation juga yang pelakunya memakai skype username chemy. Disini https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1300716.0

Misal akun Kemben benar dihack, hackernya tidak mengganti password dan email. Berarti dihack setidaknya dari tanggal 24 Desember sampai 31 Desember. Lihat sent feedback akunnya Kemben,



Ada 3 feedback yang dikirim ke beberapa user pada saat dihack.

Edit: Sudah PM ghibly79, katanya tidak pernah ada PM dari Kemben, dan tidak ada transaksi Skrill-BTC yang besarnya 0.32 pada hari itu. Kemungkinan besar feedbacknya palsu.

~PayPal-Trader~ is an Alt of ? ? ?

OK, so ~PayPal-Trader~ quoted the wallet address 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc was quoted above ( http://archive.is/rtnNQ ) and ( http://archive.is/uBmPV )



Over yonder Re: [H] 0.4247 btc FOR SALE | Verified Account | PP,OKpay,Webmoney,Skrill,... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1352966.0

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ShakinHandz 0: -0 / +0   2016-01-29   0.02500000   Reference   Great guy very fast and pro . BTC/Paypal

Reference https://blockchain.info/tx/3b4d6aea7ccb012cb276de6227c57f68f431db023bb862d9b40439b363a2c2bd

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ShakinHandz 0: -0 / +0   2016-02-04   0.13262944   Reference   Very fast, no problem, btc/paypal.

Reference https://blockchain.info/fr/tx/b6de63d0a830c2b6749f74521eb620313be7bfd3cb1d63f722915b7c5a8a932b

this second transaction is interesting in that the sending wallet is 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc which means samantlia is an Alt of ~PayPal-Trader~



However... ShakinHandz lists on his profile page the wallet Bitcoin address:    
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both wallets 1C8NBJ4cDjpFoe8iMRNgywUs2VqYS1uar8 and 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc send to the same wallet 16tqsyz3zh6v4PubWDyo5UzMARybDj9A8T

so for samantlia to send ShakinHandz funds from his own wallet means that ShakinHandz is an Alt of samantlia who is an Alt of ~PayPal-Trader~

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@Timelord , i send funds for Paypal , i dont bother if they are scammers Bitcoin address or what.
I give everyone money or opportunity to trade till it profits me , and i am here for profit, i dont care if they are someones alt or yours.

































I can give you all my paypal password and this forum account password , check and inspect everything.

Good Luck , and remove red signs.

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February 05, 2016, 08:56:09 PM
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@Timelord , i send funds for Paypal , i dont bother if they are scammers Bitcoin address or what.
I give everyone money or opportunity to trade till it profits me , and i am here for profit, i dont care if they are someones alt or yours.

Here are the two reference links from the positive feedback you received from samantlia:
https://blockchain.info/tx/3b4d6aea7ccb012cb276de6227c57f68f431db023bb862d9b40439b363a2c2bd
https://blockchain.info/tx/b6de63d0a830c2b6749f74521eb620313be7bfd3cb1d63f722915b7c5a8a932b

Let's start with https://blockchain.info/tx/3b4d6aea7ccb012cb276de6227c57f68f431db023bb862d9b40439b363a2c2bd:

1C8NBJ4cDjpFoe8iMRNgywUs2VqYS1uar8 (ShakinHandz) sends to 16tqsyz3zh6v4PubWDyo5UzMARybDj9A8T (samantlia)

Second one:
1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc (~PayPal-Trader~) sends to 16tqsyz3zh6v4PubWDyo5UzMARybDj9A8T (samantlia)

Something doesn't seem right here Tongue Am I missing something?  Huh
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February 05, 2016, 09:09:39 PM
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@Timelord , i send funds for Paypal , i dont bother if they are scammers Bitcoin address or what.
I give everyone money or opportunity to trade till it profits me , and i am here for profit, i dont care if they are someones alt or yours.

Here are the two reference links from the positive feedback you received from samantlia:
https://blockchain.info/tx/3b4d6aea7ccb012cb276de6227c57f68f431db023bb862d9b40439b363a2c2bd
https://blockchain.info/tx/b6de63d0a830c2b6749f74521eb620313be7bfd3cb1d63f722915b7c5a8a932b

Let's start with https://blockchain.info/tx/3b4d6aea7ccb012cb276de6227c57f68f431db023bb862d9b40439b363a2c2bd:

1C8NBJ4cDjpFoe8iMRNgywUs2VqYS1uar8 (ShakinHandz) sends to 16tqsyz3zh6v4PubWDyo5UzMARybDj9A8T (samantlia)

Second one:
1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc (~PayPal-Trader~) sends to 16tqsyz3zh6v4PubWDyo5UzMARybDj9A8T (samantlia)

Something doesn't seem right here Tongue Am I missing something?  Huh

Paypal trader sends him money then what i can do , I deal with many people and i send money to anyone who can send me money , i have all paypal transaction Receipt , if you want you can look into it .
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February 05, 2016, 09:15:05 PM
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@Timelord , i send funds for Paypal , i dont bother if they are scammers Bitcoin address or what.
I give everyone money or opportunity to trade till it profits me , and i am here for profit, i dont care if they are someones alt or yours.

Here are the two reference links from the positive feedback you received from samantlia:
https://blockchain.info/tx/3b4d6aea7ccb012cb276de6227c57f68f431db023bb862d9b40439b363a2c2bd
https://blockchain.info/tx/b6de63d0a830c2b6749f74521eb620313be7bfd3cb1d63f722915b7c5a8a932b

Let's start with https://blockchain.info/tx/3b4d6aea7ccb012cb276de6227c57f68f431db023bb862d9b40439b363a2c2bd:

1C8NBJ4cDjpFoe8iMRNgywUs2VqYS1uar8 (ShakinHandz) sends to 16tqsyz3zh6v4PubWDyo5UzMARybDj9A8T (samantlia)

Second one:
1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc (~PayPal-Trader~) sends to 16tqsyz3zh6v4PubWDyo5UzMARybDj9A8T (samantlia)

Something doesn't seem right here Tongue Am I missing something?  Huh

Paypal trader sends him money then what i can do , I deal with many people and i send money to anyone who can send me money , i have all paypal transaction Receipt , if you want you can look into it .

Why did samantlia leave you positive feedback with a reference link (https://blockchain.info/tx/b6de63d0a830c2b6749f74521eb620313be7bfd3cb1d63f722915b7c5a8a932b) that shows:
1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc (scammer) sent to 16tqsyz3zh6v4PubWDyo5UzMARybDj9A8T (samantlia)

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February 05, 2016, 09:18:08 PM
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@Timelord , i send funds for Paypal , i dont bother if they are scammers Bitcoin address or what.
I give everyone money or opportunity to trade till it profits me , and i am here for profit, i dont care if they are someones alt or yours.

Here are the two reference links from the positive feedback you received from samantlia:
https://blockchain.info/tx/3b4d6aea7ccb012cb276de6227c57f68f431db023bb862d9b40439b363a2c2bd
https://blockchain.info/tx/b6de63d0a830c2b6749f74521eb620313be7bfd3cb1d63f722915b7c5a8a932b

Let's start with https://blockchain.info/tx/3b4d6aea7ccb012cb276de6227c57f68f431db023bb862d9b40439b363a2c2bd:

1C8NBJ4cDjpFoe8iMRNgywUs2VqYS1uar8 (ShakinHandz) sends to 16tqsyz3zh6v4PubWDyo5UzMARybDj9A8T (samantlia)

Second one:
1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc (~PayPal-Trader~) sends to 16tqsyz3zh6v4PubWDyo5UzMARybDj9A8T (samantlia)

Something doesn't seem right here Tongue Am I missing something?  Huh

Paypal trader sends him money then what i can do , I deal with many people and i send money to anyone who can send me money , i have all paypal transaction Receipt , if you want you can look into it .

Why did samantlia leave you positive feedback with a reference link (https://blockchain.info/tx/b6de63d0a830c2b6749f74521eb620313be7bfd3cb1d63f722915b7c5a8a932b) that shows:
1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc (scammer) sent to 16tqsyz3zh6v4PubWDyo5UzMARybDj9A8T (samantlia)



i say everyone who ever trade with me to leave a feedback to me , it is my way of getting feedbacks , You want i can give you my account password , you can check all pm and even i can give you my paypal email and password , check it yourself or come to team view and i will refresh pages so that you can see that i am not faking any proof.
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February 05, 2016, 09:19:21 PM
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@Timelord , i send funds for Paypal , i dont bother if they are scammers Bitcoin address or what.
I give everyone money or opportunity to trade till it profits me , and i am here for profit, i dont care if they are someones alt or yours.

Here are the two reference links from the positive feedback you received from samantlia:
https://blockchain.info/tx/3b4d6aea7ccb012cb276de6227c57f68f431db023bb862d9b40439b363a2c2bd
https://blockchain.info/tx/b6de63d0a830c2b6749f74521eb620313be7bfd3cb1d63f722915b7c5a8a932b

Let's start with https://blockchain.info/tx/3b4d6aea7ccb012cb276de6227c57f68f431db023bb862d9b40439b363a2c2bd:

1C8NBJ4cDjpFoe8iMRNgywUs2VqYS1uar8 (ShakinHandz) sends to 16tqsyz3zh6v4PubWDyo5UzMARybDj9A8T (samantlia)

Second one:
1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc (~PayPal-Trader~) sends to 16tqsyz3zh6v4PubWDyo5UzMARybDj9A8T (samantlia)

Something doesn't seem right here Tongue Am I missing something?  Huh

Paypal trader sends him money then what i can do , I deal with many people and i send money to anyone who can send me money , i have all paypal transaction Receipt , if you want you can look into it .

Why did samantlia leave you positive feedback with a reference link (https://blockchain.info/tx/b6de63d0a830c2b6749f74521eb620313be7bfd3cb1d63f722915b7c5a8a932b) that shows:
1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc (scammer) sent to 16tqsyz3zh6v4PubWDyo5UzMARybDj9A8T (samantlia)



i say everyone who ever trade with me to leave a feedback to me , it is my way of getting feedbacks , You want i can give you my account password , you can check all pm and even i can give you my paypal email and password , check it yourself or come to team view and i will refresh pages so that you can see that i am not faking any proof.

Let's skip all the BS, if you're legit then samantlia either made a mistake or is a alt of ~PayPal-Trader~. Save everyone the trouble and just post the TXs of the trades you two have done Wink

EDIT: So I'm bored. Weather is terrible, have nothing better to do today for those wondering  Tongue

Asked ShakinHandz over PM to just list the transactions here. He can't because "How can i get you transaction details from my wallet i havent left any public note on it".

Before that he told me the address he uses with all transactions is: 1C8NBJ4cDjpFoe8iMRNgywUs2VqYS1uar8

So here we go:
ShakinHandz left samantlia positive feedback today (2016-02-05) with the risked amount as 0.13300000. Going through the above transactions today for 1C8NBJ4cDjpFoe8iMRNgywUs2VqYS1uar8, you will not find that amount. However the reference link left by samantlia shows 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc (scammer) sent 0.13262944 today, which is pretty damn close to 0.133.

I suspect either ShakinHandz = ~PayPal-Trader~ or was involved in a middle man deal that involved ~PayPal-Trader~. Either way, I wouldn't trust him.
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February 05, 2016, 09:40:41 PM
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@Timelord , i send funds for Paypal , i dont bother if they are scammers Bitcoin address or what.
I give everyone money or opportunity to trade till it profits me , and i am here for profit, i dont care if they are someones alt or yours.

Here are the two reference links from the positive feedback you received from samantlia:
https://blockchain.info/tx/3b4d6aea7ccb012cb276de6227c57f68f431db023bb862d9b40439b363a2c2bd
https://blockchain.info/tx/b6de63d0a830c2b6749f74521eb620313be7bfd3cb1d63f722915b7c5a8a932b

Let's start with https://blockchain.info/tx/3b4d6aea7ccb012cb276de6227c57f68f431db023bb862d9b40439b363a2c2bd:

1C8NBJ4cDjpFoe8iMRNgywUs2VqYS1uar8 (ShakinHandz) sends to 16tqsyz3zh6v4PubWDyo5UzMARybDj9A8T (samantlia)

Second one:
1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc (~PayPal-Trader~) sends to 16tqsyz3zh6v4PubWDyo5UzMARybDj9A8T (samantlia)

Something doesn't seem right here Tongue Am I missing something?  Huh

Paypal trader sends him money then what i can do , I deal with many people and i send money to anyone who can send me money , i have all paypal transaction Receipt , if you want you can look into it .

Why did samantlia leave you positive feedback with a reference link (https://blockchain.info/tx/b6de63d0a830c2b6749f74521eb620313be7bfd3cb1d63f722915b7c5a8a932b) that shows:
1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc (scammer) sent to 16tqsyz3zh6v4PubWDyo5UzMARybDj9A8T (samantlia)



i say everyone who ever trade with me to leave a feedback to me , it is my way of getting feedbacks , You want i can give you my account password , you can check all pm and even i can give you my paypal email and password , check it yourself or come to team view and i will refresh pages so that you can see that i am not faking any proof.

Let's skip all the BS, if you're legit then samantlia either made a mistake or is a alt of ~PayPal-Trader~. Save everyone the trouble and just post the TXs of the trades you two have done Wink

EDIT: So I'm bored. Weather is terrible, have nothing better to do today for those wondering  Tongue

Asked ShakinHandz over PM to just list the transactions here. He can't because "How can i get you transaction details from my wallet i havent left any public note on it".

Before that he told me the address he uses with all transactions is: 1C8NBJ4cDjpFoe8iMRNgywUs2VqYS1uar8

So here we go:
ShakinHandz left samantlia positive feedback today (2016-02-05) with the risked amount as 0.13300000. Going through the above transactions today for 1C8NBJ4cDjpFoe8iMRNgywUs2VqYS1uar8, you will not find that amount. However the reference link left by samantlia shows 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc (scammer) sent 0.13262944 today, which is pretty damn close to 0.133.

I suspect either ShakinHandz = ~PayPal-Trader~ or was involved in a middle man deal that involved ~PayPal-Trader~. Either way, I wouldn't trust him.

Hmm..I understood everything , you mean why the man who left me trust with this reference link which points that to scammers address , well i have sent a pm to samantlia   for it and he will reply it , because my wallet for all transaction is 1C8NBJ4cDjpFoe8iMRNgywUs2VqYS1uar8 only.
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February 05, 2016, 09:44:32 PM
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@Timelord , i send funds for Paypal , i dont bother if they are scammers Bitcoin address or what.
I give everyone money or opportunity to trade till it profits me , and i am here for profit, i dont care if they are someones alt or yours.

Here are the two reference links from the positive feedback you received from samantlia:
https://blockchain.info/tx/3b4d6aea7ccb012cb276de6227c57f68f431db023bb862d9b40439b363a2c2bd
https://blockchain.info/tx/b6de63d0a830c2b6749f74521eb620313be7bfd3cb1d63f722915b7c5a8a932b

Let's start with https://blockchain.info/tx/3b4d6aea7ccb012cb276de6227c57f68f431db023bb862d9b40439b363a2c2bd:

1C8NBJ4cDjpFoe8iMRNgywUs2VqYS1uar8 (ShakinHandz) sends to 16tqsyz3zh6v4PubWDyo5UzMARybDj9A8T (samantlia)

Second one:
1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc (~PayPal-Trader~) sends to 16tqsyz3zh6v4PubWDyo5UzMARybDj9A8T (samantlia)

Something doesn't seem right here Tongue Am I missing something?  Huh

Paypal trader sends him money then what i can do , I deal with many people and i send money to anyone who can send me money , i have all paypal transaction Receipt , if you want you can look into it .

Why did samantlia leave you positive feedback with a reference link (https://blockchain.info/tx/b6de63d0a830c2b6749f74521eb620313be7bfd3cb1d63f722915b7c5a8a932b) that shows:
1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc (scammer) sent to 16tqsyz3zh6v4PubWDyo5UzMARybDj9A8T (samantlia)



i say everyone who ever trade with me to leave a feedback to me , it is my way of getting feedbacks , You want i can give you my account password , you can check all pm and even i can give you my paypal email and password , check it yourself or come to team view and i will refresh pages so that you can see that i am not faking any proof.

Let's skip all the BS, if you're legit then samantlia either made a mistake or is a alt of ~PayPal-Trader~. Save everyone the trouble and just post the TXs of the trades you two have done Wink

EDIT: So I'm bored. Weather is terrible, have nothing better to do today for those wondering  Tongue

Asked ShakinHandz over PM to just list the transactions here. He can't because "How can i get you transaction details from my wallet i havent left any public note on it".

Before that he told me the address he uses with all transactions is: 1C8NBJ4cDjpFoe8iMRNgywUs2VqYS1uar8

So here we go:
ShakinHandz left samantlia positive feedback today (2016-02-05) with the risked amount as 0.13300000. Going through the above transactions today for 1C8NBJ4cDjpFoe8iMRNgywUs2VqYS1uar8, you will not find that amount. However the reference link left by samantlia shows 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc (scammer) sent 0.13262944 today, which is pretty damn close to 0.133.

I suspect either ShakinHandz = ~PayPal-Trader~ or was involved in a middle man deal that involved ~PayPal-Trader~. Either way, I wouldn't trust him.

Hmm..I understood everything , you mean why the man who left me trust with this reference link which points that to scammers address , well i have sent a pm to samantlia   for it and he will reply it , because my wallet for all transaction is 1C8NBJ4cDjpFoe8iMRNgywUs2VqYS1uar8 only.


You left positive feedback yourself for samantlia which matches the amount the scammer's address, not your address sent samantlia. So either you left false feedback, you're an alt of the scammer and sent from the wrong wallet or you did a man in the middle deal. Either way, you can't be trusted.

It's all above. I don't think I'm missing anything...
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February 05, 2016, 09:48:01 PM
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Nice that you have shown the screenshots of your faked pms.
I want everyone to note the timings of their replies. Roll Eyes

I think that tells us all about your true nature.

Well you should at least created a thread before starting your massive trading sessions rather than on pms if you are really concerned about transparency.
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February 05, 2016, 09:52:44 PM
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Nice that you have shown the screenshots of your faked pms.
I want everyone to note the timings of their replies. Roll Eyes

I think that tells us all about your true nature.

Well you should at least created a thread before starting your massive trading sessions rather than on pms if you are really concerned about transparency.

Those PMs are probably real. I don't think samantlia is an alt of either, just accepted btc from both. ShakinHandz offered to let me login to your account which is pointless as it doesn't prove anything. The blockchain evidence does though.

Appears to come down to funds were sent from the wrong wallet  Shocked
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February 05, 2016, 09:56:23 PM
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@Timelord , i send funds for Paypal , i dont bother if they are scammers Bitcoin address or what.
I give everyone money or opportunity to trade till it profits me , and i am here for profit, i dont care if they are someones alt or yours.

Here are the two reference links from the positive feedback you received from samantlia:
https://blockchain.info/tx/3b4d6aea7ccb012cb276de6227c57f68f431db023bb862d9b40439b363a2c2bd
https://blockchain.info/tx/b6de63d0a830c2b6749f74521eb620313be7bfd3cb1d63f722915b7c5a8a932b

Let's start with https://blockchain.info/tx/3b4d6aea7ccb012cb276de6227c57f68f431db023bb862d9b40439b363a2c2bd:

1C8NBJ4cDjpFoe8iMRNgywUs2VqYS1uar8 (ShakinHandz) sends to 16tqsyz3zh6v4PubWDyo5UzMARybDj9A8T (samantlia)

Second one:
1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc (~PayPal-Trader~) sends to 16tqsyz3zh6v4PubWDyo5UzMARybDj9A8T (samantlia)

Something doesn't seem right here Tongue Am I missing something?  Huh

Paypal trader sends him money then what i can do , I deal with many people and i send money to anyone who can send me money , i have all paypal transaction Receipt , if you want you can look into it .

Why did samantlia leave you positive feedback with a reference link (https://blockchain.info/tx/b6de63d0a830c2b6749f74521eb620313be7bfd3cb1d63f722915b7c5a8a932b) that shows:
1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc (scammer) sent to 16tqsyz3zh6v4PubWDyo5UzMARybDj9A8T (samantlia)



i say everyone who ever trade with me to leave a feedback to me , it is my way of getting feedbacks , You want i can give you my account password , you can check all pm and even i can give you my paypal email and password , check it yourself or come to team view and i will refresh pages so that you can see that i am not faking any proof.

Let's skip all the BS, if you're legit then samantlia either made a mistake or is a alt of ~PayPal-Trader~. Save everyone the trouble and just post the TXs of the trades you two have done Wink

EDIT: So I'm bored. Weather is terrible, have nothing better to do today for those wondering  Tongue

Asked ShakinHandz over PM to just list the transactions here. He can't because "How can i get you transaction details from my wallet i havent left any public note on it".

Before that he told me the address he uses with all transactions is: 1C8NBJ4cDjpFoe8iMRNgywUs2VqYS1uar8

So here we go:
ShakinHandz left samantlia positive feedback today (2016-02-05) with the risked amount as 0.13300000. Going through the above transactions today for 1C8NBJ4cDjpFoe8iMRNgywUs2VqYS1uar8, you will not find that amount. However the reference link left by samantlia shows 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc (scammer) sent 0.13262944 today, which is pretty damn close to 0.133.

I suspect either ShakinHandz = ~PayPal-Trader~ or was involved in a middle man deal that involved ~PayPal-Trader~. Either way, I wouldn't trust him.

Hmm..I understood everything , you mean why the man who left me trust with this reference link which points that to scammers address , well i have sent a pm to samantlia   for it and he will reply it , because my wallet for all transaction is 1C8NBJ4cDjpFoe8iMRNgywUs2VqYS1uar8 only.


You left positive feedback yourself for samantlia which matches the amount the scammer's address, not your address sent samantlia. So either you left false feedback, you're an alt of the scammer and sent from the wrong wallet or you did a man in the middle deal. Either way, you can't be trusted.

It's all above. I don't think I'm missing anything...

I wrote the feedback because he told me to do so , and i trust him.
You can see the date i left him another day when he told me .
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February 05, 2016, 09:58:57 PM
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I wrote the feedback because he told me to do so , and i trust him.
You can see the date i left him another day when he told me .


Why did you include the risked amount 0.133 BTC?

Again, these screenshots are proving nothing.
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February 05, 2016, 10:04:08 PM
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Why did you include the risked amount 0.133 BTC?

Again, these screenshots are proving nothing.
I wrote 0.133 because i had to write risked amount and i copied it from the reference link that he left on me , and wrote the same amount.
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Last edit: February 06, 2016, 01:20:54 AM by xetsr
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Why did you include the risked amount 0.133 BTC?

Again, these screenshots are proving nothing.
I wrote 0.133 because i had to write risked amount and i copied it from the reference link that he left on me , and wrote the same amount.

So how much did you really send him if anything?
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February 06, 2016, 01:35:57 AM
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Im here, replied to your pm, can sent to you everything you want , because all of this are realy true =]
( you can also see my reply in my topic )
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February 06, 2016, 12:45:02 PM
Last edit: February 06, 2016, 12:59:13 PM by Timelord2067
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Im here, replied to your pm, can sent to you everything you want , because all of this are realy true =]
( you can also see my reply in my topic )

If we assume that samantlia is not an Alt of the others, let's have a look at this from a different angle:

samantlia leaves for ShakinHandz two feedbacks:

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ShakinHandz -4: -2 / +0   2016-01-29   0.02500000   Reference   Great guy very fast and pro . BTC/Paypal
ShakinHandz -4: -2 / +0   2016-02-04   0.13262944   Reference   Very fast, no problem, btc/paypal.

Reference one: https://blockchain.info/tx/3b4d6aea7ccb012cb276de6227c57f68f431db023bb862d9b40439b363a2c2bd

Reference two:

https://blockchain.info/fr/tx/b6de63d0a830c2b6749f74521eb620313be7bfd3cb1d63f722915b7c5a8a932b

Both wallets send to the one address:

https://blockchain.info/address/16tqsyz3zh6v4PubWDyo5UzMARybDj9A8T the amounts match up (more or less)

The first transaction gets wrapped up in a pretty bow and is sent to 13uxesmEnqdpTrMYNTrUvE2rBwaN9spKN2

The second transaction is sent to 19RzeWx1UjbKcgjv2fkMU1qsiM7V9S78xt



samantlia tells xeter in a PM that this is his wallet.

https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fimage.noelshack.com%2Ffichiers%2F2016%2F05%2F1454722830-sans-titre.png&t=561&c=YU2fBLI6zFYS6w

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2016/05/1454722830-sans-titre.png

That is to say https://blockchain.info/address/19RzeWx1UjbKcgjv2fkMU1qsiM7V9S78xt which matches up with the screen shot.

The very same minute samantlia receives the funds they are sent to 16hVYytEiPoDxYkRH2zcgeGLNHZZZg2z38

I am very familiar with that wallet  Scammer Family Tree morocco.man -> marcos258 -> ( funday and from10to1280 ) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1324050.0

I can only assume that samantlia is actually an Alt of morocco.man

Thanks op for this info...
MorcomN is a faggot, keeps bumping over my Skype, and says he shares btc with 3 other people's.
His alt is nimalo, who keeps trading with his alt levani, who is a Italian guy.

I was uncertain why ~PayPal-Trader~ posted this at the time.  Looks like ~PayPal-Trader~ has now been stung twice by morocco.man

Neither nimalo nor levani are users in this forum.

I personally feel that the screen shot is of the wallet https://blockchain.info/address/16tqsyz3zh6v4PubWDyo5UzMARybDj9A8T but has been tarted up on the left hand side to read 19RzeWx1UjbKcgjv2fkMU1qsiM7V9S78xt - text that can be edited by clicking on that area.

Look at the transactions and the balance.

received with = reçues avec

sent to = envoyé à

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Wallet is from multibit.org which doesn't download the entire block chain.

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February 06, 2016, 01:07:18 PM
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samantlia still hasn't left feedback for a claimed trade with casio87

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samantlia still hasn't left feedback for a claimed trade with casio87

No because now we speak on ICQ and we need to make another trade, so i waiting this second trade , and I have no many time since 2/3 days, I speak with 5/6 puser on icq, with my ipod, this take me many time for understand because my english is not good ...

We are obliged to say everything we do here?  Sad
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samantlia still hasn't left feedback for a claimed trade with casio87

No because now we speak on ICQ and we need to make another trade, so i waiting this second trade , and I have no many time since 2/3 days, I speak with 5/6 puser on icq, with my ipod, this take me many time for understand because my english is not good ...

We are obliged to say everything we do here?  Sad

I found it odd that you didn't leave feedback - carry on. http://archive.is/WRF8N

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February 07, 2016, 01:07:22 AM
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Guy, say to admin to check ip of my account you can see i have a different ip.
I Have now a lbc full verified acount, but because its my real name i cant sent  you this to pm.

So , stop accusing me guy please, go skype with me if you have any doubt !
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Just someone interesting about the ShakinHandz account.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=141051;sa=showPosts;start=180
Scroll down & you'll see a huge one year gap.
After that, these posts start coming.
Staked address - Low quality posts - different post style.
Unless you suddenly realised you were bad at English & decided to stake a new address after a one year break, this was a bought or hacked account (I'm assuming it had potential activity as well)
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Just someone interesting about the ShakinHandz account.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=141051;sa=showPosts;start=180
Scroll down & you'll see a huge one year gap.
After that, these posts start coming.
Staked address - Low quality posts - different post style.
Unless you suddenly realised you were bad at English & decided to stake a new address after a one year break, this was a bought or hacked account (I'm assuming it had potential activity as well)

Yeah you are right. I also suspected right from the beginning that it was a BOUGHT ACCOUNT

Because after the one year gap:- there is low quality posts and the posts were only made to increase activity as it was a potential activity account as i was keeping track of it.He created couple of nonsense threads in between also.

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February 07, 2016, 05:00:08 AM
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The transaction ID you provided in the OP is not valid  Undecided It says not found.
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February 07, 2016, 11:55:29 AM
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Timelord2067 thanks you for your fake negative feedback in my profil.
I will do the same.

Do no reply me, i dont discuss with you dude . You're a kid .

@xetsr ,tell him that we speak by pm .
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The transaction ID you provided in the OP is not valid  Undecided It says not found.
Its because this transaction has been double spent.

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Timelord2067 thanks you for your fake negative feedback in my profil.
I will do the same.

Do no reply me, i dont discuss with you dude . You're a kid .

@xetsr ,tell him that we speak by pm .
Suddenly samantlia english has gone better . Interesting .did you hit a rock while using internet?
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You say my is english is more good since 2 weeks ?
Lol is not true , but if is true, thanks you dude, its great for me =]

If a speak everyday here, it's normal my english is more good .
Dude, you're a alt of the other crazy guy Tim ?   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Everyone say what he want, but no one add my on skype for webcam dial for i can send proof.
Dude, youre also  a kid a think because we accuse user with no proof, like a kid ....

Edit; omg just see your trust guy  Roll Eyes
Be careful everyone what this guy say, see her trust before !
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February 17, 2016, 05:24:04 AM
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Im here, replied to your pm, can sent to you everything you want , because all of this are realy true =]
( you can also see my reply in my topic )

If we assume that samantlia is not an Alt of the others, let's have a look at this from a different angle:

samantlia leaves for ShakinHandz two feedbacks:

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ShakinHandz -4: -2 / +0   2016-01-29   0.02500000   Reference   Great guy very fast and pro . BTC/Paypal
ShakinHandz -4: -2 / +0   2016-02-04   0.13262944   Reference   Very fast, no problem, btc/paypal.

Reference one: https://blockchain.info/tx/3b4d6aea7ccb012cb276de6227c57f68f431db023bb862d9b40439b363a2c2bd

Reference two:

https://blockchain.info/fr/tx/b6de63d0a830c2b6749f74521eb620313be7bfd3cb1d63f722915b7c5a8a932b

Both wallets send to the one address:

https://blockchain.info/address/16tqsyz3zh6v4PubWDyo5UzMARybDj9A8T the amounts match up (more or less)

The first transaction gets wrapped up in a pretty bow and is sent to 13uxesmEnqdpTrMYNTrUvE2rBwaN9spKN2

The second transaction is sent to 19RzeWx1UjbKcgjv2fkMU1qsiM7V9S78xt



samantlia tells xeter in a PM that this is his wallet.

https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fimage.noelshack.com%2Ffichiers%2F2016%2F05%2F1454722830-sans-titre.png&t=561&c=YU2fBLI6zFYS6w

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2016/05/1454722830-sans-titre.png

That is to say https://blockchain.info/address/19RzeWx1UjbKcgjv2fkMU1qsiM7V9S78xt which matches up with the screen shot.

The very same minute samantlia receives the funds they are sent to 16hVYytEiPoDxYkRH2zcgeGLNHZZZg2z38

I am very familiar with that wallet  Scammer Family Tree morocco.man -> marcos258 -> ( funday and from10to1280 ) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1324050.0

I can only assume that samantlia is actually an Alt of morocco.man

Thanks op for this info...
MorcomN is a faggot, keeps bumping over my Skype, and says he shares btc with 3 other people's.
His alt is nimalo, who keeps trading with his alt levani, who is a Italian guy.

I was uncertain why ~PayPal-Trader~ posted this at the time.  Looks like ~PayPal-Trader~ has now been stung twice by morocco.man

Neither nimalo nor levani are users in this forum.

I personally feel that the screen shot is of the wallet https://blockchain.info/address/16tqsyz3zh6v4PubWDyo5UzMARybDj9A8T but has been tarted up on the left hand side to read 19RzeWx1UjbKcgjv2fkMU1qsiM7V9S78xt - text that can be edited by clicking on that area.

Look at the transactions and the balance.

received with = reçues avec

sent to = envoyé à

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Wallet is from multibit.org which doesn't download the entire block chain.
hahahahaha this guy is not my alt you will never find my alt time and i know what are you doing is only get trust from people to scam something big  also timelord i find you alt https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=374494    hahahahahah easy
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February 17, 2016, 11:39:42 AM
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hahahahaha this guy is not my alt you will never find my alt time and i know what are you doing is only get trust from people to scam something big  also timelord i find you alt https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=374494    hahahahahah easy

We've already dismissed the connections as being co-incidences, Run out of people to scam have you?  Now you're lashing out.

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April 13, 2016, 07:58:29 AM
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Scam attempt by a guy who sent me transaction without fees.
Anybody please rebroadcast the transaction in my wallet.
https://blockchain.info/address/1Dr8UwGBdC58GKpVjuL3x2pMm1rAXTKvKP

He do sent me PDF written by egg.chalk for scam , vouch by ocean Thomas and chemy.
I googled all and found them alt of miningbuddy.
Refer PDF.

Please rebroadcast the transaction.
https://blockchain.info/address/1Dr8UwGBdC58GKpVjuL3x2pMm1rAXTKvKP
post more ....he is staff here.

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Scam attempt by a guy who sent me transaction without fees.
Anybody please rebroadcast the transaction in my wallet.
https://blockchain.info/address/1Dr8UwGBdC58GKpVjuL3x2pMm1rAXTKvKP

He do sent me PDF written by egg.chalk for scam , vouch by ocean Thomas and chemy.
I googled all and found them alt of miningbuddy.
Refer PDF.

Please rebroadcast the transaction.
https://blockchain.info/address/1Dr8UwGBdC58GKpVjuL3x2pMm1rAXTKvKP
post more ....he is staff here.
egg.chaks is not staff he is scammer.

here is sample pdf.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/jkyihiwhkx4p8lo/sample.pdf
now as transaction is confirMed with 1 confirmation , he failed to fuck me , thanks to shorena to rebroadcast txn , now i am not going to give back his PSG.
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Scam attempt by a guy who sent me transaction without fees.
Anybody please rebroadcast the transaction in my wallet.
https://blockchain.info/address/1Dr8UwGBdC58GKpVjuL3x2pMm1rAXTKvKP

He do sent me PDF written by egg.chalk for scam , vouch by ocean Thomas and chemy.
I googled all and found them alt of miningbuddy.
Refer PDF.

Please rebroadcast the transaction.
https://blockchain.info/address/1Dr8UwGBdC58GKpVjuL3x2pMm1rAXTKvKP
post more ....he is staff here.
egg.chaks is not staff he is scammer.

here is sample pdf.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/jkyihiwhkx4p8lo/sample.pdf
now as transaction is confirMed with 1 confirmation , he failed to fuck me , thanks to shorena to rebroadcast txn , now i am not going to give back his PSG.

but u said u googled & found them to be alt of miningbuddy ?

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Scam attempt by a guy who sent me transaction without fees.
Anybody please rebroadcast the transaction in my wallet.
https://blockchain.info/address/1Dr8UwGBdC58GKpVjuL3x2pMm1rAXTKvKP

He do sent me PDF written by egg.chalk for scam , vouch by ocean Thomas and chemy.
I googled all and found them alt of miningbuddy.
Refer PDF.

Please rebroadcast the transaction.
https://blockchain.info/address/1Dr8UwGBdC58GKpVjuL3x2pMm1rAXTKvKP
post more ....he is staff here.
egg.chaks is not staff he is scammer.

here is sample pdf.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/jkyihiwhkx4p8lo/sample.pdf
now as transaction is confirMed with 1 confirmation , he failed to fuck me , thanks to shorena to rebroadcast txn , now i am not going to give back his PSG.
Hope you're not talking about me. I don't know who paypal buddy is and I didn't try to scam you. You have your coins and the transaction was just slow. Please send me the $70 PSC as promised.
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Scam attempt by a guy who sent me transaction without fees.
Anybody please rebroadcast the transaction in my wallet.
https://blockchain.info/address/1Dr8UwGBdC58GKpVjuL3x2pMm1rAXTKvKP

He do sent me PDF written by egg.chalk for scam , vouch by ocean Thomas and chemy.
I googled all and found them alt of miningbuddy.
Refer PDF.

Please rebroadcast the transaction.
https://blockchain.info/address/1Dr8UwGBdC58GKpVjuL3x2pMm1rAXTKvKP
post more ....he is staff here.
egg.chaks is not staff he is scammer.

here is sample pdf.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/jkyihiwhkx4p8lo/sample.pdf
now as transaction is confirMed with 1 confirmation , he failed to fuck me , thanks to shorena to rebroadcast txn , now i am not going to give back his PSG.

but u said u googled & found them to be alt of miningbuddy ?
The transaction sounds a lot like mine and I have no idea who any of these people are. I didn't sent him any PDF, and if this is the transaction he's talking about he says he's gonna scam me and not give the PSC I paid for. I didn't try to fuck him I tried to make a legit order. I sent a transaction with a fee and it took the same amount of time. https://blockchain.info/address/1Dr8UwGBdC58GKpVjuL3x2pMm1rAXTKvKP

Again if this isn't me I'm sorry, but I'm worried he's trying to take my money now.
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July 20, 2016, 08:44:08 AM
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Scam attempt by a guy who sent me transaction without fees.
Anybody please rebroadcast the transaction in my wallet.
https://blockchain.info/address/1Dr8UwGBdC58GKpVjuL3x2pMm1rAXTKvKP

He do sent me PDF written by egg.chalk for scam , vouch by ocean Thomas and chemy.
I googled all and found them alt of miningbuddy.
Refer PDF.

Please rebroadcast the transaction.
https://blockchain.info/address/1Dr8UwGBdC58GKpVjuL3x2pMm1rAXTKvKP
post more ....he is staff here.
egg.chaks is not staff he is scammer.

here is sample pdf.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/jkyihiwhkx4p8lo/sample.pdf
now as transaction is confirMed with 1 confirmation , he failed to fuck me , thanks to shorena to rebroadcast txn , now i am not going to give back his PSG.

This guy scammed me what do I do? All The proof is literally right here and he's still allowed to do business here.
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September 21, 2016, 03:52:30 PM
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Scam attempt by a guy who sent me transaction without fees.
Anybody please rebroadcast the transaction in my wallet.
https://blockchain.info/address/1Dr8UwGBdC58GKpVjuL3x2pMm1rAXTKvKP

He do sent me PDF written by egg.chalk for scam , vouch by ocean Thomas and chemy.
I googled all and found them alt of miningbuddy.
Refer PDF.

Please rebroadcast the transaction.
https://blockchain.info/address/1Dr8UwGBdC58GKpVjuL3x2pMm1rAXTKvKP
post more ....he is staff here.
egg.chaks is not staff he is scammer.

here is sample pdf.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/jkyihiwhkx4p8lo/sample.pdf
now as transaction is confirMed with 1 confirmation , he failed to fuck me , thanks to shorena to rebroadcast txn , now i am not going to give back his PSG.
Can this guy get banned or not?
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September 21, 2016, 03:54:12 PM
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Can this guy get banned or not?

No.

Timelord2067's Timely Test and Main-neT LighTning Loans to a "T"
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5184177.0;dt
main-net BTC 0.0001 loans, test-net BTC 0.001 loans 1% seven days max.
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October 19, 2016, 12:50:07 AM
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Why the actual fuck not? Literally here it is him scamming me out of money. All the proof.
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October 19, 2016, 11:17:21 AM
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Why the actual fuck not? Literally here it is him scamming me out of money. All the proof.

The management and staff of this Forum have chosen not to ban anyone in a very long time, *IF* my understanding of the way this forum is being run is correct.

You'll have to join the rest of us who've been burned by scammers and track them down, one scam at a time.

Timelord2067's Timely Test and Main-neT LighTning Loans to a "T"
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5184177.0;dt
main-net BTC 0.0001 loans, test-net BTC 0.001 loans 1% seven days max.
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October 20, 2016, 05:09:11 AM
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Why the actual fuck not? Literally here it is him scamming me out of money. All the proof.

The management and staff of this Forum have chosen not to ban anyone in a very long time, *IF* my understanding of the way this forum is being run is correct.

You'll have to join the rest of us who've been burned by scammers and track them down, one scam at a time.

Well, that's what I'm trying to do.
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December 05, 2016, 03:56:34 PM
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Why the actual fuck not? Literally here it is him scamming me out of money. All the proof.

The management and staff of this Forum have chosen not to ban anyone in a very long time, *IF* my understanding of the way this forum is being run is correct.

You'll have to join the rest of us who've been burned by scammers and track them down, one scam at a time.

Can you help me track him down? I read your feedback and I see that you do that.
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