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January 13, 2016, 05:09:21 PM
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I received BTC from ~PayPal-Trader~ https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=703390 on the forum and he sent me this txn link but I don't see any notification of BTC received in my coinbase wallet.
Can someone pls tell whats wrong here? Shall I pay him or wait for at least 1 confirmation? Can it be reversed?

https://blockchain.info/tx/751da63e633df680db6a29633475d11198bd096d0a75938d74f9b2cccea1da77

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January 13, 2016, 05:17:09 PM
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I received BTC from ~PayPal-Trader~ on the forum and he sent me this txn link but I don't see any notification of BTC received in my coinbase wallet.
Can someone pls tell whats wrong here? Shall I pay him or wait for at least 1 confirmation? Can it be reversed?

https://blockchain.info/address/1Atv5LPgx5auEWnovRua7BwbqoZ6ZFdutE

you should wait for at least one confirmation and please double check the receiving address (i dont kow him.. maybe he is a trusted trader here)

edit: missing word

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January 13, 2016, 05:19:29 PM
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I received BTC from ~PayPal-Trader~ on the forum and he sent me this txn link but I don't see any notification of BTC received in my coinbase wallet.
Can someone pls tell whats wrong here? Shall I pay him or wait for at least 1 confirmation? Can it be reversed?

https://blockchain.info/address/1Atv5LPgx5auEWnovRua7BwbqoZ6ZFdutE

you should wait for at least one confirmation and please double check the receiving address (i dont kow him.. maybe he is a trusted trader here)

edit: missing word
Wallet address seems fine but he sent it w/o fee or with low fee & its still not showing up in my a/c.
Just wondering can this be reversed?

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January 13, 2016, 05:24:30 PM
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I received BTC from ~PayPal-Trader~ on the forum and he sent me this txn link but I don't see any notification of BTC received in my coinbase wallet.
Can someone pls tell whats wrong here? Shall I pay him or wait for at least 1 confirmation? Can it be reversed?

https://blockchain.info/address/1Atv5LPgx5auEWnovRua7BwbqoZ6ZFdutE

you should wait for at least one confirmation and please double check the receiving address (i dont kow him.. maybe he is a trusted trader here)

edit: missing word
Wallet address seems fine but he sent it w/o fee or with low fee & its still not showing up in my a/c.
Just wondering can this be reversed?

Its unconfirmed, so yes it can be dropped by the network and not confirm. I wouldnt do your part unless its confirmed. That is, if you still can.
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January 13, 2016, 06:15:31 PM
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I received BTC from ~PayPal-Trader~ on the forum and he sent me this txn link but I don't see any notification of BTC received in my coinbase wallet.
Can someone pls tell whats wrong here? Shall I pay him or wait for at least 1 confirmation? Can it be reversed?

https://blockchain.info/address/1Atv5LPgx5auEWnovRua7BwbqoZ6ZFdutE

you should wait for at least one confirmation and please double check the receiving address (i dont kow him.. maybe he is a trusted trader here)

edit: missing word
Wallet address seems fine but he sent it w/o fee or with low fee & its still not showing up in my a/c.
Just wondering can this be reversed?

Its unconfirmed, so yes it can be dropped by the network and not confirm. I wouldnt do your part unless its confirmed. That is, if you still can.
Its still unconfirmed even though its more than an hour since he sent this to me.
Can this be some kind of scam?

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January 13, 2016, 07:48:25 PM
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I received BTC from ~PayPal-Trader~ on the forum and he sent me this txn link but I don't see any notification of BTC received in my coinbase wallet.
Can someone pls tell whats wrong here? Shall I pay him or wait for at least 1 confirmation? Can it be reversed?

https://blockchain.info/address/1Atv5LPgx5auEWnovRua7BwbqoZ6ZFdutE

you should wait for at least one confirmation and please double check the receiving address (i dont kow him.. maybe he is a trusted trader here)

edit: missing word
Wallet address seems fine but he sent it w/o fee or with low fee & its still not showing up in my a/c.
Just wondering can this be reversed?

Its unconfirmed, so yes it can be dropped by the network and not confirm. I wouldnt do your part unless its confirmed. That is, if you still can.
Its still unconfirmed even though its more than an hour since he sent this to me.
Can this be some kind of scam?

I dont know, the fee is very low. If you want to make sure the transaction is not forgotten by the network, open the transaction itself (not the address) on blockchain.info and append ?format=hex to the URL.

Like this (should be the one you care about, there are two for the above address though): https://blockchain.info/tx/751da63e633df680db6a29633475d11198bd096d0a75938d74f9b2cccea1da77?format=hex

If you open the URL now you will see the raw transaction.

In this example its

Code:
010000000133583ada5091dd0814ecab26beefde14aba1b9294fb8a9e28325b7a8d8d76106010000006a473044022100f596924707db95cc6e7eb7a6b976974ad0760d1f7f47c3db42a0b0a3306a5142021f039d84c7f7a93320eff9320bc3c93f11999083a022a25731da6b32249ac4c6012102cd0f397b3ad1887a1309f5b0fe914385a23804d484e21e51d9e850f7b23de716ffffffff02b075b100000000001976a9146c8aa6918f38ec13433fb57acc57bb7a44384b1288ac9635a901000000001976a91482f74b865c1646ad742fba51c7e8911a148195f488ac00000000

you can use the raw version to rebroadcast this via different platforms.

Here is a list -> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_broadcasting

If you use bitcoin core you can also do it yourself with:

Code:
sendrawtransaction 010000000133583ada5091dd0814ecab26beefde14aba1b9294fb8a9e28325b7a8d8d76106010000006a473044022100f596924707db95cc6e7eb7a6b976974ad0760d1f7f47c3db42a0b0a3306a5142021f039d84c7f7a93320eff9320bc3c93f11999083a022a25731da6b32249ac4c6012102cd0f397b3ad1887a1309f5b0fe914385a23804d484e21e51d9e850f7b23de716ffffffff02b075b100000000001976a9146c8aa6918f38ec13433fb57acc57bb7a44384b1288ac9635a901000000001976a91482f74b865c1646ad742fba51c7e8911a148195f488ac00000000

from the build in console. It will - due to the low fee - probably return an error though.

Rebroadcasting a TX will make sure its not forgotten which makes it very difficult to double spend. It can still take a long time to get confirmed (think days or weeks with a fee that low).
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January 13, 2016, 08:51:34 PM
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I received BTC from ~PayPal-Trader~ on the forum and he sent me this txn link but I don't see any notification of BTC received in my coinbase wallet.
Can someone pls tell whats wrong here? Shall I pay him or wait for at least 1 confirmation? Can it be reversed?

https://blockchain.info/tx/751da63e633df680db6a29633475d11198bd096d0a75938d74f9b2cccea1da77
he send it with very low fees,you should hold the guy for 1 confirmation of this transaction
it might be a scam attempt













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January 13, 2016, 09:38:44 PM
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Finally it came to my coinbase account 8 minutes back.
http://prntscr.com/9prdo9
Do you guys think it can still be dropped by the n/w or I can pay him now?

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January 13, 2016, 09:41:15 PM
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Finally it came to my coinbase account 8 minutes back.
http://prntscr.com/9prdo9
Do you guys think it can still be dropped by the n/w or I can pay him now?

Still says 0 confirmations.
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January 13, 2016, 09:42:54 PM
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Finally it came to my coinbase account 8 minutes back.
http://prntscr.com/9prdo9
Do you guys think it can still be dropped by the n/w or I can pay him now?

Still says 0 confirmations.
Yeah, still says 0 confirmation but it appeared in my account. Until 12 minutes back it was not even appearing in my wallet.

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January 13, 2016, 10:00:37 PM
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Finally it came to my coinbase account 8 minutes back.
http://prntscr.com/9prdo9
Do you guys think it can still be dropped by the n/w or I can pay him now?

Still says 0 confirmations.
Yeah, still says 0 confirmation but it appeared in my account. Until 12 minutes back it was not even appearing in my wallet.

That just means a full node run by coinbase knows about the transaction. It does not improve the chances to get confirmed. Well, unless coinbase automatically rebroadcasts receiving transactions, but I dont think they do.
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January 14, 2016, 09:28:16 AM
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Finally it came to my coinbase account 8 minutes back.
http://prntscr.com/9prdo9
Do you guys think it can still be dropped by the n/w or I can pay him now?

Still says 0 confirmations.
Yeah, still says 0 confirmation but it appeared in my account. Until 12 minutes back it was not even appearing in my wallet.

That just means a full node run by coinbase knows about the transaction. It does not improve the chances to get confirmed. Well, unless coinbase automatically rebroadcasts receiving transactions, but I dont think they do.

Nothing in my wallet yet. It still has 0 confirmations and there are 99.99% chances that network will drop this txn and he'll get it back.
Now I understood, he was are trying to do. He was trying to scam users by sending them BTC w/o appropriate fee and hoping that its gets dropped by the n/w and he get money as well as your BTC back.



Shall I move this thread under Scam Accusations?

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January 14, 2016, 09:59:51 AM
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Finally it came to my coinbase account 8 minutes back.
http://prntscr.com/9prdo9
Do you guys think it can still be dropped by the n/w or I can pay him now?

Still says 0 confirmations.
Yeah, still says 0 confirmation but it appeared in my account. Until 12 minutes back it was not even appearing in my wallet.

That just means a full node run by coinbase knows about the transaction. It does not improve the chances to get confirmed. Well, unless coinbase automatically rebroadcasts receiving transactions, but I dont think they do.

Nothing in my wallet yet. It still has 0 confirmations and there are 99.99% chances that network will drop this txn and he'll get it back.
Now I understood, he was are trying to do. He was trying to scam users by sending them BTC w/o appropriate fee and hoping that its gets dropped by the n/w and he get money as well as your BTC back.



Shall I move this thread under Scam Accusations?

If you think this was done intentionally you can open a thread in scam accusation with the usual format there. I would keep this as it is or use it to follow up on the technical details.

You can also instead of just keep pushing the TX, spend the coins you received and pay a fee high enough for both TX (known as child pays for parent - CPFP) or contact a pool operator directly and ask if they would include the TX (or the TX and the CPFP TX). Im not sure if coinbase allows spending unconfirmed coins though, so that might not be an option.
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January 14, 2016, 10:18:30 AM
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If you think this was done intentionally you can open a thread in scam accusation with the usual format there. I would keep this as it is or use it to follow up on the technical details.

You can also instead of just keep pushing the TX, spend the coins you received and pay a fee high enough for both TX (known as child pays for parent - CPFP) or contact a pool operator directly and ask if they would include the TX (or the TX and the CPFP TX). Im not sure if coinbase allows spending unconfirmed coins though, so that might not be an option.
I have dropped him a PM telling him the same. Lets wait for him to reply on this thread or in PM.
Coinbase does not allows me to spend coins which are not confirmed. So, I can not do anything with these coins until they are confirmed.

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January 14, 2016, 12:14:57 PM
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if you still have not paid him, This is what you worry?
I think  with so fee , you'll never get btc, and
a high probability that he made a conscious, he never replied to my offer...
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if you still have not paid him, This is what you worry?
I think  with so fee , you'll never get btc, and
a high probability that he made a conscious, he never replied to my offer...
I was worried that I held payment of a genuine trader for no reason but it turns out that he's not genuine and it was very good decision to not pay him as soon as he gave me this txn link.

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There is high chance that this tx will be dropped by the network. Hopefully you haven't sent money to him. If he is a bitcoin, he should know that the minimus fees at least should be 1000Satoshi. Then I think he intentionally scam you.

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January 14, 2016, 12:25:49 PM
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There is high chance that this tx will be dropped by the network. Hopefully you haven't sent money to him. If he is a bitcoin, he should know that the minimus fees at least should be 1000Satoshi. Then I think he intentionally scam you.
Good thing was I did not send him money though he pressurized me a lot by giving this link.
I guess my instincts were right but this was the 1st time I was deceived like this. Now, I gotta be even more careful & see the amount of fee sender paid for the txn before releasing their payment.

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January 14, 2016, 12:46:14 PM
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~PayPal-Trader~ is this the guy?

yep, highly a scam attempt, the possible scammer is using a newbie account and posts in the currency section. Likely a scammer hunting for newbie bitcoiners.
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January 14, 2016, 12:47:20 PM
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~PayPal-Trader~ is this the guy?

yep, highly a scam attempt, the possible scammer is using a newbie account and posts in the currency section. Likely a scammer hunting for newbie bitcoiners.
Yep, he is the guy.
Edit: Updated OP with the profile link.

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