WTS: Datacenter in Central WA

[sabercatt]

is the cooling being powered from the same panels?

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[scyth3]

is the cooling being powered from the same panels?

No

[sabercatt]

who is paying the cooling?

[scyth3]

who is paying the cooling?

Tenant.

[sabercatt]

couple last questions. sorry for so many.
any windows if so size / type? how many doors & what size / type? How many separate meters for the 3 panels? any neighbors and if so what kind of businesses? building is made of what?

[scyth3]

couple last questions. sorry for so many.
any windows if so size / type? how many doors & what size / type? How many separate meters for the 3 panels? any neighbors and if so what kind of businesses? building is made of what?

There are a few large windows and a door. Don't know exact sizes. You will have 1 meter. Masonry building. There is a business next door.

[Meech]

Any pics to get a better idea of space for those interested?  Or would that impose on the other tenant/s? 
It is a great opportunity for someone just wished I lived on the other side of the mountains.

[btcbaron]

<3cent/kWh electric rate

Is the rate static or does it vary with season?

[sabercatt]

is the lease triple net? lease length?

[scyth3]

<3cent/kWh electric rate

Is the rate static or does it vary with season?

Static

[scyth3]

is the lease triple net? lease length?

No. 1 year

[sandal]

Definitely wished I lived closer to take advantage of this... hard to find datacenters where I am located.

[dmwardjr]

What I'm about to point out is NOT to create an argument.  It's not to put anyone in a negative light.  I'm simply creating discussion in the forum to make sure all members of the bitcoin mining community are protected and KNOW what they are possibly getting into.  I too am interested in the place.  

HOWEVER, BEFORE COMMITTING TO THIS LOCATION, ONE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING:

This is the most important paragraph of the following article:  http://www.govtech.com/dc/articles/High-Capacity-Data-Centers-Blindsided-by-Increase-in-Utilities-Charges.html

Urged by staff, commissioners agreed in December 2014 to impose a moratorium on all new applications for large amounts of power — 1 average megawatt or more — to give staff time to study how to handle a potential spike in demand. The moratorium was later refined to only “high-density” applicants whose businesses would use 250 kilowatt hours of electricity per square foot of space per year, but less than 5 average megawatts overall. Users of more than 5 megawatts need a power contract with the PUD.

Now here is the math:

400 Amp service in the location.  If one uses 80% of the 400 amps to be safe, this would be 320 amps.

320 Amps x 240 Volts = 76,800 Watts OR 76.8 kW

Your demand would be 76.8 kW per hour x 730 hours in a month = 56,064 kWh in a month (730 hours)

56,064 kWh x 12 months in a year = 672,768 kWH

Now, the paragraph wants us to divide the 672,768 kWh in a year by the square feet of the location.  The square feet of the location is 1,000 feet.

672,768 kWh divided by 1,000 square feet = 672.768 kWh per square foot in a year.  THIS IS MORE THAN THE 250 kWh OF ELECTRICITY ALLOWED.

Again, this was NOT to create an argument.  I'm not trying to become enemies with anyone.  I'm simply trying to create discussion to determine if it is worth it or not.

I'm actually interested in the place and I have requested an application to fill out.  However, I'm not following through if I find out it is in Chelan County.  It is sounding more and more like Chelan County may have to be avoided like the plague.

Best Regards,

David

EDIT:  I think, for starters, we need to know the location or at least the county it is in.

[scyth3]

What I'm about to point out is NOT to create an argument.  It's not to put anyone in a negative light.  I'm simply creating discussion in the forum to make sure all members of the bitcoin mining community are protected and KNOW what they are possibly getting into.  I too am interested in the place.  

HOWEVER, BEFORE COMMITTING TO THIS LOCATION, ONE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING:

This is the most important paragraph of the following article:  http://www.govtech.com/dc/articles/High-Capacity-Data-Centers-Blindsided-by-Increase-in-Utilities-Charges.html

Urged by staff, commissioners agreed in December 2014 to impose a moratorium on all new applications for large amounts of power — 1 average megawatt or more — to give staff time to study how to handle a potential spike in demand. The moratorium was later refined to only “high-density” applicants whose businesses would use 250 kilowatt hours of electricity per square foot of space per year, but less than 5 average megawatts overall. Users of more than 5 megawatts need a power contract with the PUD.

Now here is the math:

400 Amp service in the location.  If one uses 80% of the 400 amps to be safe, this would be 320 amps.

320 Amps x 240 Volts = 76,800 Watts OR 76.8 kW

Your demand would be 76.8 kW per hour x 730 hours in a month = 56,064 kWh in a month (730 hours)

56,064 kWh x 12 months in a year = 672,768 kWH

Now, the paragraph wants us to divide the 672,768 kWh in a year by the square feet of the location.  The square feet of the location is 1,000 feet.

672,768 kWh divided by 1,000 square feet = 672.768 kWh per square foot in a year.  THIS IS MORE THAN THE 250 kWh OF ELECTRICITY ALLOWED.

Again, this was NOT to create an argument.  I'm not trying to become enemies with anyone.  I'm simply trying to create discussion to determine if it is worth it or not.

I'm actually interested in the place and I have requested an application to fill out.  However, I'm not following through if I find out it is in Chelan County.  It is sounding more and more like Chelan County may have to be avoided like the plague.

Best Regards,

David

The total sqft of the building is not 1000sqft. This building does that fall under high intensity usage, so the rate will be under <3cents/kWh

[dmwardjr]

The total sqft of the building is not 1000sqft. This building does that fall under high intensity usage, so the rate will be under <3cents/kWh

Are there 2 separate meters?  One for the location next door and one for this location?

How are we to be sure the PUD uses the square feet used by the "metered" space or for the entire building with multiple meters?

[scyth3]

The total sqft of the building is not 1000sqft. This building does that fall under high intensity usage, so the rate will be under <3cents/kWh

Are there 2 separate meters?  One for the location next door and one for this location?

How are we to be sure the PUD uses the square foot used by the "metered" space?

You will have to ask the PUD, I can not speak for them.

[dmwardjr]

The article says the following:

The moratorium was later refined to only “high-density” applicants WHO'S BUSINESS WOULD USE 250 kilowatt hours of electricity per square foot of space per year, but less than 5 average megawatts overall. Users of more than 5 megawatts need a power contract with the PUD.

Since it says, "WHO'S BUSINESS WOULD USE" instead of "WHO'S BUILDING WOULD USE," I would have to be cautious.  I need to find out more from the PUD before signing my name on the dotted line.  Can you tell me what PUD it is?  Is this Chelan or Douglas?  I need to know so I can call them.

Your thread began with the following advertisement that indicates "1,000 feet":

I have a small data center looking to rent for $1000/month, $1000 deposit, and $1000 finders fee.

Available beginning of March 2016

Must be able to pass credit and background check. $30 application fee.

Includes:
2x 200amp 120/240V single phase panels
16x 30amp outlets, PDUs included with C13 and C20 outlets. C13/C14 and C19/C13 power cables also included.
Rooftop evaporative cooler
3x exhaust fans
Fiber Internet available, modem included.
~1000 sqft
<3cent/kWh electric rate

All you need would be miners, PSUs, network switches and ethernet cables. Would be good for around 60x S7

Located in Central WA.

[scyth3]

The article says the following:

The moratorium was later refined to only “high-density” applicants WHO'S BUSINESS WOULD USE 250 kilowatt hours of electricity per square foot of space per year, but less than 5 average megawatts overall. Users of more than 5 megawatts need a power contract with the PUD.

Since it says, "WHO'S BUSINESS WOULD USE" instead of "WHO'S BUILDING WOULD USE," I would have to be cautious.  I need to find out more from the PUD before signing my name on the dotted line.  Can you tell me what PUD it is?  Is this Chelan or Douglas?

They use the square footage indicated in public records from my conversations with Chelan PUD on previous projects. If there are any objections then the burden of proof is on the customer. They do not come in to perform inspections on your property related to the square footage.

Like I told you in PM, I prefer not to say where it is located until I have a background and credit check.

[dmwardjr]

The article says the following:

The moratorium was later refined to only “high-density” applicants WHO'S BUSINESS WOULD USE 250 kilowatt hours of electricity per square foot of space per year, but less than 5 average megawatts overall. Users of more than 5 megawatts need a power contract with the PUD.

Since it says, "WHO'S BUSINESS WOULD USE" instead of "WHO'S BUILDING WOULD USE," I would have to be cautious.  I need to find out more from the PUD before signing my name on the dotted line.  Can you tell me what PUD it is?  Is this Chelan or Douglas?

They use the square footage indicated in public records from my conversations with Chelan PUD on previous projects. If there are any objections then the burden of proof is on the customer. They do not come in to perform inspections on your property related to the square footage.

Like I told you in PM, I prefer not to say where it is located until I have a background and credit check.

Why should I bother with giving my personal information if the burden of proof is on the customer?  I'm the customer.  I would hate to drive over 2,500 miles with my belongings and rigs in tow only to find out I will not pay 3 cents per kWh but a little over 5 cents per kWh instead.  I can get 4.5 cents per kWh in Texas.

Would you mind finding a post by the PUD stipulating the moratorium is applied to the entire space of a building even though it is divided into multiple units?

We are paying you a "finders fee" of $1,000.  Will you, "The Finder" provide this information to us please?

I'm not trying to be difficult.  I just think it's important to know.

[scyth3]

The article says the following:

The moratorium was later refined to only “high-density” applicants WHO'S BUSINESS WOULD USE 250 kilowatt hours of electricity per square foot of space per year, but less than 5 average megawatts overall. Users of more than 5 megawatts need a power contract with the PUD.

Since it says, "WHO'S BUSINESS WOULD USE" instead of "WHO'S BUILDING WOULD USE," I would have to be cautious.  I need to find out more from the PUD before signing my name on the dotted line.  Can you tell me what PUD it is?  Is this Chelan or Douglas?

They use the square footage indicated in public records from my conversations with Chelan PUD on previous projects. If there are any objections then the burden of proof is on the customer. They do not come in to perform inspections on your property related to the square footage.

Like I told you in PM, I prefer not to say where it is located until I have a background and credit check.

Why should I bother with giving my personal information if the burden of proof is on the customer?  I'm the customer.  I would hate to drive over 2,500 miles with my belongings and rigs in tow only to find out I will not pay 3 cents per kWh but a little over 5 cents per kWh instead.  I can get 4.5 cents per kWh in Texas.

Would you mind finding a post by the PUD stipulating the moratorium is applied to the entire space of a building even though it is divided into multiple units?

We are paying you a "finders fee" of $1,000.  Will you, "The Finder" provide this information to us please?

I'm not trying to be difficult.  I just think it's important to know.

None of what we are talking about is even approved by the board yet. So there isn't anything to look up. It is nothing more than a proposal, but I told you all of what I know and got from the PUDs.